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Delta shared Charlie two two
three good morning everybody.
Welcome. It is Tuesday morning

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The date is the 16th of August
2005. I'm in Berkeley,
California. Hold on. I'm just
gonna be repositioned. I'm
microphone here for a second

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and

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I'm off

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Into San Francisco, 10 minutes
past eight and

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The girls are still sleeping and

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I am well clearly. I'm doing
much better

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But also the vacation is kind of
coming to an end here. Hold on.
I'm sure. I'll crash. I think

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As Friday, we're planning to go
back and of course

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part of this vacation was
supposed to be a working
vacation and

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That part started yesterday
really

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Pretty exciting

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Yesterday was the first day in
our office in San Francisco now.
It's not our

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The office that we intend to
have for good

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This is a temporary office, but
really it was it was quite cool
to have just

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Everybody kind of show up all of
a sudden. We have a number of
folks from the East Coast

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Chris McIntyre from podcast Ali
got a couple of people from

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We just check what I'm doing
here hold on a second after the
Niga okay

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A couple of people from out here
people from Los Angeles. So it
was like there was like

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Eight people in the office
yesterday

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In fact, we have an office just
blew me away. It was a total
trip

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rolled up at about eight thirty
in the morning and

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There it was coffee

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Computers folks doing stuff very
very exciting

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So today there's two things on
the agenda

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One kind of flows into the other
the first one is or the

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The most prevalent thing that
I'm doing today is we have a an
update to our board of directors

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Which is you know perfect we're
just getting started and

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Already we have a lot of

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a lot of second

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I'm not in a good place here
with my car

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We've got a lot of really really
really cool things that are that
are going on

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I don't even know half of it
because I've been so out of the
loop. I feel really just

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It's I think that's part of what
I dealt what I dislike about
vacation

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It's being out of the loop on on
anything really and not just

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Having been on vacation, but
really being completely tuned
out because of this flu bug that
we had

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I feel like I've missed so much
and then again

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I was able to catch up with a
lot of stuff

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Once we got into

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Into the Claremont resort

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I was able to you know catch up
with a couple of shows. I
listened to the most recent
Gilmour gang

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Last night 86 minutes. I think
it's just a bit credible amount

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But what's really cool about
this is you know if you're a
listen to the Gilmour gang

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Then you know it's like a
roundtable discussion and it
usually lasts for about an hour

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What's Steve Gilmour has been
doing recently and I really like
this and I hope that

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By now the rest of the gang
understands if that's happening
is he's basically the minute
everyone's on the phone

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You know the recording's already
rolling and he just

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Basically puts all that out
unedited as far as I know it's
unedited

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And it's it's really what it's
almost what the Gilmour gang
used to be where people just
bitching and moaning and talking
about industry stuff

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But really

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You know much less held back for
some reason

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I'm not quite sure what it is
about that, but it really really
does work

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And so they were waiting for Ron
Ron Bloom to

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To come on to the call so there
must have been a good 20 or 25
minutes and then talk about all
kinds of stuff scobal was on

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But it's a very strong opinions
about the pod show and serious

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So you should definitely give
that a listen

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I'd say the I really like that
those first 25 minutes because
that was truly

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People with their guard down and
and it really

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I don't think that any of the
Gilmour gang members really
listen to the show and I can't
understand that

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You know if you've you've
already lived through the hour
and a half that the show was and
you pretty much know everything

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It was said you're not gonna go
back and listen to it

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To the podcast more than likely

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But I still have the feeling
that a number of the gang
members don't really understand
that that opening bit that that
first part is

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Also being podcast

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Maybe it's better that way
because I just love listening to
that

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a lot of talk about pod show

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about the

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The interest that we receive
from the investment community
and not just the investment
community from you know

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Client of Perkins and Sequoia
capital and Ram Shuram

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People that we aggressively went
after

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Because we felt that they would
be the perfect team

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Help us grow our vision of pod
casting

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Well, I'm a second now. I have
to I don't want to mess this up.
I don't have a my typical GPS

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Or even a never-law's in fact
this car that I'm driving is a

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For tourists as an SE it has
absolutely nothing it's white to
make it even

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Add insult to injury

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As no frills and I actually I
kind of like it, but

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Because it has no GPS. I really
have to pay attention

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Because you know, you know me
jet boy

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Without the GPS, I can't
function anymore. Don't tell me
there's gonna be a whole bunch
of traffic this morning

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That was not the agreement

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Shoot

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Okay, well, it's like we're
already in some kind of traffic

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So anyway, so that board update
is today and

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You know the update is great
because there's lots of stuff
and lots of ideas that we have
and people that you know

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We'd like to get in touch with
which are and investors have all
the inroads to

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So I know that's a big big
benefit and

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Very exciting

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To be moving in different
circles these days got the
apartment

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Got all that squared away
yesterday

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Got a great apartment for one.
I'm here in San Francisco which
will be

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Quite a lot. I'm sure

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And hopefully some of the stuff
that we ordered online Patricia
and I did a big order

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I think it was a JC pennies or
something we ordered you know
like a bed and and tables and
stuff

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Hopefully that's going to show
up

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Before we go back

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Typical JC penny

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Yeah, your order is in transit.
I guess we have to call someone
over there and figure out what's
going on

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And today

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Patricia and Christina and Ron's
wife Marta are gonna go pick up
some more stuff

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Both for my apartment also for

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For Ron and Marta's apartment
because they have actually
relocated here and

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It's very foggy today

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This is not what I had ordered.
I told Patricia. I said it's so
beautiful

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You even have palm trees out
here Northern California

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Which is true, but man foggy and
chili

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So I can't wait to really get
back into the full swing of
doing

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regular daily source code

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Can understand that I have
obviously been splitting up my
time between

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Well being sick first of all,
but also you know being with the
family you know doing stuff
together

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Which is really you know what
you do what we do want to do our
vacation

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Despite that some work is
slipping in here and there

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And that does eat into basically
all the time I spend at home on

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Pre-producing the source code

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You know, but also other stuff
like the pod finder. There's a
new pod finder that came out
today. I hope on iTunes

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Dave Fox

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hosted it this week

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I'd actually plan on doing that
even though I had relinquished
all of my

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Serious satellite pod show
duties to other

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podcasters

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I was planning on doing the pod
finder myself, but obviously it
just didn't feel up to it

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So Dave Fox who is he's the guy
from the

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He's the voice of pod casting
it's Adam Curry

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So I'm very curious to see how
that turned out

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So I've really cutting all at
that time

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And obviously five in the west.
Yeah, that's what I'm gonna take
here

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Yesterday it was much faster.
Why is it so slow? There isn't
an accident or something

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I have no idea really what the
traffic patterns are in

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San Francisco how many people
live in San Francisco is it? I
mean it certainly seems like a
really big city when you look at
it

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but

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No, it's a traffic okay. Let's
see

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It's traffic's moving

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But I also want to get back to
you know

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Back to just into the fray of

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Listening to what everyone's
doing again and part of that is
you really do need bandwidth

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I found that still lots of hotel

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connectivity is not really

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Really good enough for the you
know the type of subscription
list that I have

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And I'm running iTunes almost
exclusively now for of the pod
cast

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I gotta say I'm pretty happy
with it

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But when you get into a a lower
bandwidth situation

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You do get broken download and
you know that's really where

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You know some of the some of the
stuff starts yeah, I see buddy
some of the stuff starts the
fall apart

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Bear with me here for a second

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Trying to think if

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I'm gonna crash into that mini
van and I think if there's
anything else it's really big
that's that's been happening

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I guess the the podcast awards I
saw that I I want a podcast
award for

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Best produced podcast

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Well, thank you very much. I
presume that that is voted on by

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By the audience

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Was there ceremony or was there
some kind of

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Show or did just the
announcements just kind of you
know just appear. I was
wondering about that

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I like award I like awards

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I like receiving awards rarely
ever received an award for
anything

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But I do like it to

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To be a ceremony number the
wired rave awards

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When I was up for was it's a

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New technology or something and
it went to see well

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I forget it else was in the
category with me. I do know that
Mark think the CEO from blog
lines

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He won that it it was like there
was no ceremony

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Yeah, you you walked in and
there was a like a PowerPoint
switching through slides of the
nominees and the winners

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I like a ceremony man. That's
you really need to have if
you're gonna do it awards

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Anything you got him you gotta
go all the way

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So maybe there's something
planned for this podcast expo
which uh, what is it now?

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They can't be that far away
maybe a month or two months away

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So now we're coming up to the
toll

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This is kind of ziplong now. I
like that

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I'm not quite sure what this
toll is for well obviously for
some use of some

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Road here. I'm just trying to
think what the

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Is it a

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Wonder him all up

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Get my cash here

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There we go

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Yeah, I see this is nice this is
what New York traffic should be
like

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Beautiful

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Yeah, I gotta have my tunes pump
and early in the morning

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Man my license plate is
resonating with that guy's base

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Good morning. Thank you. All
right

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So we're doing well then

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Right so Friday we'll be gone
back

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Straight from San Francisco to
London and I think the in-laws
who've been staying at the house

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Are ready to go home themselves.
I think they're they're bored

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It was probably stay a couple
more days. I got a call-up wing
command to William because of
course

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We flew them over on the on the
182 so I want to fly him back on
the 182 and if I can

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Work in a couple more hours of
flying myself that'll be great

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It's time once again. You know
by the way the Carpool tunnel
syndrome whatever it's getting
better

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It really is this still

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In my left index finger is still
a little little spots of
numbness and and my my thumb is
almost completely better

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And that's I guess really just

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Been through not

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Yankees know yolks and just
taking it easy so I'll be
curious to see what happens when

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When I go flying for a couple
hours again see it if it well

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I'm sure I'll feel it again. I'm
sure some of it will come back,
but hopefully progressively over
time

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You know just get better

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Because I saw was it James Woods
was on

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I think it was on Leno or on
Letterman and

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He had something very similar

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Where you know, so what happened
with me is it was through the
Yogiaki on the plane

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While flying for that week and
then of course

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I fell asleep on my hand in the
airplane for several hours not
the one that I was flying but on
the way to Miami

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And what he had done is he had
left his his four arms in one
almost one position during a
poker game

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For I think you're saying 46
hours or something like that and
he actually had to have his
nerve

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Cut out and reposition

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Because of I guess the you know
the pain and whatever the
numbness, but his nerve was
completely shot

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And and I've heard lots of other
people saying that you know
eventually the only way you can
solve this problem is through

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An operation like now

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First of all, I don't want to
believe that second of all. I
don't believe it. So it does
seem to be getting much much
better

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Real happy about that now we're
on the Bay Bridge

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on the upper deck

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which

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This bridge has one way decks
only so the

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upper deck goes two surfaces go
and the lower deck goes away
from it and I can barely see it

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It's all I can see the second
portion of the bridge past what
is it was at

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Yerba Boina and Paradise Island
kind of halfway through this
bridge

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It's completely in the clouds

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That would be the foggy clouds

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So it's I guess it's a very
typical San Francisco morning

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Then I don't know I'm gonna
learn a lot more about it as I
and now a new dweller of this
city which I am liking very much

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It seems like a real easy city
to get around in

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And just I don't know it's it
seems convenient it seems pretty
laid back

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And it's pretty so I'm looking
forward to being here a lot

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I'm also looking forward to
bringing my girls back with me

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When when we have the
apartments, I'll have our own
place so they can have more of a
base hang out

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And get to know a little bit
more about what's going on in
the city itself because now it's
you know where we're outside

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And

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So I'll probably do another
quick update before we head back
on Friday

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Certainly if anything you know
really cool happens

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It seems like podcasting is just
growing more every day

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There's a I think I've said this
before there's a whole new round
of

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I've pressed that is coming and
that's because

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It's still here you know
podcasting is not a flash in the
pan it hasn't gone away
overnight

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Publications are coming back
interested in

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Commercialization of podcasting
interested in the glaring
differences but it in a nice way
between

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Indie podcasters and mainstream
podcasts

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So there's there's plenty of
opportunity for us to bring in
more listeners

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For more people to be exposed. I
don't think there's a day that
doesn't go by

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That someone doesn't say send me
an email saying hey, you know, I
just found about this podcasting
stuff

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Usually it's through iTunes

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How people tune into it so I
think that we're

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We're on a very very good track
at this moment and you know as
we start to wind down the summer

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I think we're gonna see a lot of
things kick up

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Yeah

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Oh, so I might have been my wife
oops, well, I just missed it.
Okay, so

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I'm very bullish about
everything that's going on and

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Prepared to work very hard to
see what we could take this

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So as I have just about to take
the free month street exit

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We've been talking for about 20
minutes and I'll be picking up

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Ron and Brian as we have a
meeting in 930 in

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Palo Alto

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That's not a board update, but
that's with the technology
company which of course is why
we're out here because if
there's anything we're light on

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You know, we know a lot about
media. We don't know everything
there is to know about

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Technology and this is
definitely the part of the world
to come and get that so I'm
gonna learn some more things
today

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And look forward to talking to
you very soon as I said maybe

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Before we go back if not
certainly on Monday as we get
back into swing of

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A brand new source code so take
care y'all and I'll talk to you
soon bye bye