WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.000 Delta Sierra Charlie 00:05.000 --> 00:06.000 Two 00:06.000 --> 00:08.000 Seven 00:08.000 --> 00:09.000 Six 00:09.000 --> 00:12.000 There are no secrets 00:12.000 --> 00:14.000 I 00:14.000 --> 00:15.000 Intermediate you 00:15.000 --> 00:17.000 Don't be a liar 00:19.000 --> 00:20.000 Adam Curry 00:21.000 --> 00:24.000 For $16 million worth of airplane 00:24.000 --> 00:25.000 Strap to my ass 00:25.000 --> 00:29.000 Done the next generation radio content in my ears 00:29.000 --> 00:31.000 You don't need us 00:31.000 --> 00:32.000 Thinking crazy 00:32.000 --> 00:33.000 I like to think I'm flying 00:33.000 --> 00:34.000 You should be sure 00:34.000 --> 00:36.000 I'm guessing 00:36.000 --> 00:37.000 It's a battle curry 00:37.000 --> 00:38.000 Good morning everybody 00:38.000 --> 00:39.000 Coming to you from Curry Cottage 00:39.000 --> 00:41.000 In the affluent Surrey Subherpa 00:41.000 --> 00:42.000 Kilford 00:42.000 --> 00:44.000 It is your daily source code 00:44.000 --> 00:45.000 276 00:45.000 --> 00:46.000 odd father and transit 00:46.000 --> 00:48.000 Only back in the cottage for about 00:48.000 --> 00:49.000 20 hours 00:49.000 --> 00:51.000 Then I'm off to Los Angeles 00:51.000 --> 00:52.000 For the expo 00:52.000 --> 00:54.000 We're talking about that about pot save music 00:54.000 --> 00:56.000 On some other stuff 00:56.000 --> 00:57.000 I'm sure we'll conjure up 00:57.000 --> 00:58.000 It's Wednesday 00:58.000 --> 00:59.000 It's Wednesday 00:59.000 --> 01:00.000 It's Wednesday 01:00.000 --> 01:01.000 Stepped out of my doorstep 01:01.250 --> 04:40.000 [ Music ] 04:40.000 --> 04:44.000 Not it, whoa 04:44.000 --> 04:46.000 Not it, whoa 04:46.000 --> 04:48.000 Not it, whoa 04:48.000 --> 04:50.000 Not another one, no, in all 04:50.000 --> 04:52.000 Not it, whoa 04:52.000 --> 04:54.360 When's the morning? You can find that on the pod save music. 04:54.360 --> 04:57.080 Connect, we're going to music.podshow.com. 04:57.080 --> 04:58.200 Well, good morning, everybody. 04:58.200 --> 05:00.960 Coming to you from from the curry cottage. 05:00.960 --> 05:04.720 Boy, what a what a whirlwind trip I had the past two days. 05:04.720 --> 05:06.840 Oh, I hear all kinds of hum and stuff here. 05:06.840 --> 05:08.880 What the hell was going on? 05:08.880 --> 05:11.600 I have to. I slept in microphone, I think. 05:11.600 --> 05:13.920 Oh, so I'm sorry about yesterday's show. 05:13.920 --> 05:18.240 The travel schedule and the meetings and oh, man, 05:18.240 --> 05:19.080 everything was messed up. 05:19.080 --> 05:24.360 But for those of you just joining the daily source code wondering what I'm talking about, 05:24.360 --> 05:29.960 I received a couple messages two days ago that the record industry and also the broadcast 05:29.960 --> 05:35.400 industry in in the Netherlands and more than likely in other countries in Europe 05:35.400 --> 05:39.960 were banding together and are going to put their foot down on licensed music being played 05:39.960 --> 05:41.640 on podcast. 05:41.640 --> 05:47.320 And so I had an opportunity to go talk to a couple of European parliament members about 05:47.960 --> 05:49.000 this. So I jetted off. 05:49.000 --> 05:52.760 Now, the European parliament is kind of divided between Brussels and Luxembourg. 05:52.760 --> 05:56.520 And it's supposed to be like one month or in Brussels, the next month or in Luxembourg, 05:56.520 --> 05:57.720 it could be longer than a month. 05:57.720 --> 06:00.440 But pretty much they're divided and people are all over the place. 06:00.440 --> 06:05.240 And I guess some of those parliament members have a banking business in Luxembourg 06:05.240 --> 06:07.480 that look down there as well. 06:07.480 --> 06:10.920 And I really was really wanted to go there and talk to some people. 06:12.200 --> 06:16.840 Well, for two reasons, one, I wanted to find out what what the general consensus was, 06:16.840 --> 06:21.560 what the thought was, there is different thinking in Europe about things like patents, 06:21.560 --> 06:28.680 although laws are now being put up and past that may or may not be what everyone would like 06:28.680 --> 06:31.240 who deals with patents. 06:31.240 --> 06:35.640 There's a lot of copyright issues that are being discussed and directives are being created. 06:35.640 --> 06:39.160 And so he was a great opportunity for me to go and talk to some folks about it. 06:40.040 --> 06:41.320 And certainly did. 06:41.320 --> 06:43.240 The other part, of course, was G's. 06:43.400 --> 06:47.800 Is there no way we can find that we can kind of use some kind of, 06:47.800 --> 06:49.720 you know, I'll be honest about it. 06:49.720 --> 06:54.520 If I can use political leverage to turn around in our advantage, I'll do that. 06:55.720 --> 06:57.800 Because isn't there some way we can figure this out. 06:57.800 --> 06:59.880 But essentially, here's what it boils down to. 07:03.080 --> 07:08.520 Using licensed music on podcast will only work if a form of DRM is implemented, 07:08.520 --> 07:12.840 so that after a certain amount of time, the show, the show that you created, 07:12.920 --> 07:14.760 basically dries up and goes away. 07:14.760 --> 07:17.480 And by the way, I have to say, I'm not completely against that. 07:18.520 --> 07:21.240 I think there are, you know, shows have a shelf life. 07:21.240 --> 07:24.680 My show has a much shorter shelf life than Don and Drew's, for example. 07:25.800 --> 07:27.240 They have, oh man. 07:28.840 --> 07:34.760 I think some people have every single episode of Don and Drew and the creating entire archives 07:34.760 --> 07:38.200 and collections and CDs and there's a whole subculture of that. 07:38.200 --> 07:41.880 But source code is, you know, I don't think there's much reason to go back and listen to one. 07:41.880 --> 07:47.160 Because I'm basically promoing shows that you want to check out today and, you know, 07:47.160 --> 07:48.760 so the shelf life much shorter. 07:48.760 --> 07:52.760 So I wouldn't mind if the show went away, but, you know, then you come into the whole issue. 07:52.760 --> 07:57.480 Well, then you have to use digital rights management or DRM for short. 07:58.280 --> 08:03.560 And that means that, you know, you can resort to only really a couple of different types. 08:03.720 --> 08:11.080 It'll be, um, uh, well, I guess, looking at the, uh, looking at the portable player market 08:11.080 --> 08:13.640 if you want to have, and that's really what it's all about. 08:13.640 --> 08:17.320 You know, this is not because, oh, gee, I need to play licensed music. 08:17.320 --> 08:20.760 So badly on my show, but I also want to give my audience what they want. 08:20.760 --> 08:22.600 So that's, you know, the audience loves the hit test. 08:22.600 --> 08:28.200 The audience loves mashups, not all of them, but, um, so that's why I want to do that. 08:28.200 --> 08:31.560 You know, not, not like, oh boy, you know, I want to be in with the hip crowd and want to play 08:31.640 --> 08:33.720 J-Lo, no, that's not necessarily it. 08:36.120 --> 08:42.440 So it's, it's a request, you know, and, and that'll only work if it, um, if it's DRM, 08:42.440 --> 08:48.040 and the only way to DRM it to keep my audience would be basically to use apples. 08:48.040 --> 08:52.680 What does it fair play? I think is what they use, um, and I'm sure there's the be a way. 08:52.680 --> 08:55.800 So, well, it won't be copyable. I don't know if they can make a show expire or not. 08:55.800 --> 08:59.160 I'm sure they can, you know, then maybe just adapt the software somewhat. 08:59.160 --> 09:04.440 But then, you know, how about all the other folks who don't use, um, iTunes and iPods. 09:04.440 --> 09:10.040 So I don't see a workable solution there. Maybe maybe maybe all the bulls DRM would be applicable. 09:10.600 --> 09:14.600 But I'm not quite sure we're that with all of their initiatives. And, and again, you know, 09:14.600 --> 09:18.360 this is still kind of about the free airways, you know, that's, that's the whole point. 09:18.360 --> 09:24.840 So, and I went through tirelessly explaining that, you know, that it's a good thing, 09:24.920 --> 09:28.760 and that, you know, the only presumption that I kept hearing over and over as well, 09:28.760 --> 09:32.440 it's too easy to steal the song. Well, first of all, you know, and hit test and mashups. 09:32.440 --> 09:38.520 It ain't that easy to steal the song. You can't undo the mashup and the hit tests or just little snippets. 09:40.120 --> 09:43.240 But, you know, it just, it was back and forth and they keep coming back to, 09:43.240 --> 09:47.880 well, you guys have to give a little, said, no, fuck you. I didn't say fuck you. I said, 09:48.280 --> 09:55.080 said, you know, why should we have to do that? You know, this is, it's so backwards everything. 09:55.080 --> 10:01.320 It's not like we live and die by the 1.5 million songs that are available online, you know, 10:01.320 --> 10:06.920 to download and put on your music player that you pay for. You know, it's not about that. 10:07.480 --> 10:12.600 It's a more of a cultural thing. I mean, G's songs have been passed down through, 10:13.080 --> 10:18.920 through the ages, through history, people sing traditional songs. And of course, those that are in 10:18.920 --> 10:23.240 in the public domain, we can continue to use witness jingle bells, which is, as you look at the 10:23.240 --> 10:29.000 podcast music network. There's a great new version of that. But it's also an opportunity to 10:29.000 --> 10:33.400 to create new music. And that's really the only direction I guess we can go into promote new music 10:33.400 --> 10:39.000 is through pod save. And by the way, I'm so I was in Brussels in the next day in Luxembourg. 10:39.800 --> 10:46.680 And I have to say that, yeah, I got the attention. Yeah, we had the meetings, but everybody in 10:46.680 --> 10:53.160 those two places were completely focused on France, man. Wow, people are running freaking 10:53.160 --> 10:58.200 scared about what's going on there. In case you haven't heard about it. And I must say there's been 10:58.200 --> 11:03.640 quite a lack of mainstream media attention for what's happening. There are riots for two weeks now. 11:03.640 --> 11:11.480 And the riots seem to consist of mainly like 14 to 18-year-old young men, predominantly from poor 11:11.480 --> 11:18.840 areas in France. They're pretty much all from Northern Africa, from Algeria. And I guess they're 11:18.840 --> 11:24.520 fed up with their situation. And the way they're expressing that is by writing on the streets. But 11:24.520 --> 11:30.200 really the one thing that seems to have caught on is the idea of burning cars. That seems to 11:30.200 --> 11:35.480 get all the attention. And so I think now, as of the count from last night, there's over five 11:35.480 --> 11:39.960 and a half thousand. Can you imagine that five and a half thousand cars have been burned? 11:41.160 --> 11:46.920 There's already been one death. There's been 1,500 arrests. And it's a big mess. And I think it's 11:47.320 --> 11:53.480 by the way, I'm not one of these people who thinks that, oh, this is a Muslim problem. I think this 11:53.480 --> 12:00.040 is a government problem. It's happening all over Europe where Europe invited a lot of Eastern 12:00.120 --> 12:04.440 nations to come on in. Because plenty of work will give you health care. We'll give you child care 12:04.440 --> 12:10.520 and come on in. Come on over. And we got plenty of jobs for you. And they did a horrible 12:10.520 --> 12:21.880 shitty job with integrating these groups of people. And now we have second generation who are 12:21.880 --> 12:28.360 not integrated have very little hope. And this is how they choose to express that, which I 12:28.440 --> 12:32.280 obviously don't think is the best way to do it. And by the way, where are the parents saying, 12:32.280 --> 12:37.560 hey, yo, dude, get your ass in here before I kick it and put down that rock, put down that 12:37.560 --> 12:43.240 on the Dove cocktail. So anyway, they're all freaked out because this is something that could 12:43.240 --> 12:47.720 easily spark to any number of countries. We're already seeing a little bit of this happening in 12:47.720 --> 12:55.880 Germany and Berlin. I think there was a couple of basically copycat actions that took place in 12:55.880 --> 13:02.360 Brussels itself. You hear that? No, I don't have a minute. I forget keep forgetting to turn my 13:02.360 --> 13:09.080 Skype off every single time I start to show. Another country where this could just explode would 13:09.080 --> 13:13.880 be the Netherlands. So that, you know, phones were ringing off the hook and these guys, these 13:13.880 --> 13:20.680 Parliament members, are they Parliamentarians? Parliamentarians? That was like a really just 13:20.680 --> 13:26.520 called the Parliamentarians. They kind of are that way, I guess. So long, long, long, long, 13:26.520 --> 13:34.120 story short. Not very successful. It's completely hammered into my head that the only way to go 13:34.120 --> 13:41.800 for me at least and I'll advise my fellow podshow podcasters and anyone else who's listening 13:41.800 --> 13:46.520 within the sound of my voice to be very, very careful what you're doing because they, you know, 13:46.600 --> 13:52.280 look, if these guys can go out and sue college kids, high school kids, grandmonds, sounds great, 13:52.280 --> 13:59.480 doesn't it? They're suing grandmothers. Me up to the tune of 150 grand. I'm sure that they'll be 13:59.480 --> 14:03.720 happy to take on some podcasters and we're all very, very visible. In fact, we're all going to be 14:03.720 --> 14:09.000 damn visible at the, at the expo, at the end of the week, this, this upcoming weekend. So, 14:09.400 --> 14:17.480 thank you very much, Koso and Katya, they already created proud to be pod save logos, 14:17.480 --> 14:25.800 little music player there with a condom over his head, fantastic. So I received many, many, 14:25.800 --> 14:31.000 many comments that had some time to look over them last night in this morning. And there's one 14:31.000 --> 14:36.040 thing that did disturb me a little bit. People saying, well, you're not being transparent about 14:36.040 --> 14:40.600 the pod safe music network, because pod show owns it and you're driving people towards your music. 14:40.600 --> 14:45.400 And I'm like, whoa, let's just back up one second and evaluate what the pod safe music network is. 14:45.400 --> 14:52.440 Okay. This was built more than half a year ago before they're even, we started on this before 14:52.440 --> 14:57.480 there was a pod show company, even. And Ron and I funded it out of Bro Pocket because we were 14:57.480 --> 15:03.160 excited about what was happening. Ron's in musician. I'm, you know, I'm a, I'm a dumb blonde DJ VJ. 15:03.240 --> 15:07.320 And we were excited about the prospects of what this could be. The only reason for this 15:07.320 --> 15:14.520 pod save music network is to act as an exchange. And the exchange is based upon a very simple 15:14.520 --> 15:19.320 license that is kind of agreed upon once you sign up as a podcaster and once you sign up as an 15:19.320 --> 15:25.720 artist. And it's an agreement that, hey, look, the art, you can play this song and promote it, 15:25.720 --> 15:29.320 along as you report back to the network that you played it. And of course, there's links to the 15:29.320 --> 15:33.960 artist's websites all over the place. And it's, at this point, it's up to the artist to monetize 15:33.960 --> 15:40.200 on that. Certainly with our unlabel idea, we want to help musicians to monetize on that. 15:41.240 --> 15:47.480 And for the, for the artists, they have every right to take their song off the pod safe music network. 15:47.480 --> 15:52.360 It's, it's really, it's quite open. Go ahead, read the terms. If you have an issue with the terms, 15:52.360 --> 15:56.200 bring them up so we can discuss them. We've done that in the past and we'd be happy to adapt the 15:56.200 --> 16:02.360 terms if it seems to be the right thing to do. But there's, except for maybe a little bit of advertising, 16:02.360 --> 16:07.160 there's no huge monetization scheme in place for sending people to the pod safe music network 16:07.160 --> 16:12.680 other than it's just easy. You know, shit, the, the term pod safe, I think Dave Winner and I came 16:12.680 --> 16:18.360 up with that a year ago, perhaps, maybe a little less now. But just, you know, it's like, 16:18.360 --> 16:23.480 come on, people, yeah, go to garageband.com. You can do it. You can get stuff there. And if there's 16:23.480 --> 16:28.760 no blanket license, if you get something from garageband.com, so you still have to do the work. I just 16:28.760 --> 16:32.840 want to, basically, I want to make it easier for myself. Give me a place where I can always go to, 16:32.840 --> 16:37.640 don't have to think about whether I can play this on my podcast, just know that if I like it, 16:37.640 --> 16:43.400 I can play it on my podcast. And the benefits of the pod safe music network is that podcasters report. 16:43.800 --> 16:48.760 So right now, I think we only have the top 10 of all time. We're coming out with the top 10 plays 16:48.840 --> 16:53.800 of the month of the week and of the day. And you can see which show has played, what songs? 16:53.800 --> 16:59.240 It's a great referral network. That's, that's all that it is. So to Molly, particularly, who wrote 16:59.240 --> 17:04.920 a just a nasty comment, like dude, you know, come on, give a little bit of credit here for the work 17:04.920 --> 17:09.800 that CC Chapman and Chris Rockwell did and Sue, you know, they put this together. 17:11.400 --> 17:17.480 Okay. Anyway, so I'm very excited about moving forward and putting this behind us. 17:17.480 --> 17:23.400 It really blows because man, do I love the mashups? I really love the mashups. Lots of people 17:23.400 --> 17:28.200 saying, hey, why don't you do pod safe mashups? Well, if anyone sent me a great pod safe mashup, 17:28.200 --> 17:32.440 I'd use it. I haven't heard anything that I liked. And of the thousands of mashups that I've 17:32.440 --> 17:36.120 received, I've only played a very small portion because I thought they were good enough. And some 17:36.120 --> 17:42.680 of them probably even sucked too bad. But I wanted to put a mashup on. And I'm bummed, you know, 17:42.680 --> 17:49.240 like the backtracks podcast, fantastically produced stuff, really cool, young polette. He's, and 17:49.240 --> 17:53.880 polette is bummed out, really, really bummed out. Because, you know, this was kind of one of the things 17:53.880 --> 18:00.920 that he had a lot of passion doing it. And we never had any financial range when he just sent me 18:00.920 --> 18:05.480 stuff and had happily play it. And of course, he had, you know, maybe to make like 20 or 30 bucks 18:05.480 --> 18:10.520 a month from the iTunes links because there is no money in being a middleman in the licensed 18:10.520 --> 18:17.320 music business. Ask Steve Jobs, he's making pennies, ask Napster, ask Rap City. These guys 18:17.320 --> 18:22.200 are not making money. They have to give up so much to all these different agencies with their 18:22.200 --> 18:29.720 handout that they're literally stifling everything. So what I'm trying to do now is inspire 18:29.720 --> 18:33.640 young to come up with something new, some other new short form feature because it's really 18:33.640 --> 18:38.360 truly is he's a great short form feature producer. So I'm hoping that it'll, they'll come up with 18:38.440 --> 18:42.120 some more stuff. And hey, young, anything you want to try, man, just send it to me. No, 18:42.120 --> 18:47.320 and all that throw it right on. So we will talk about the podcast Expo today. 18:48.680 --> 18:54.920 When I wrote on a couple of things here, man, I have such a busy day. I have a whole list of 18:54.920 --> 18:57.880 things I have to take care before I go. Because here's the deal. I'm going to, 18:58.600 --> 19:04.120 what time are we at now? I'm going to Los Angeles, then I drive straight up to Ontario. 19:04.120 --> 19:12.200 Thursday night is the Podsafe Acoustic Jam that I guess the Podsafe Music Network is actually 19:12.200 --> 19:19.560 underwriting it. Oh, gee. More money out of pocket. But it's good, you know. I think Brother 19:19.560 --> 19:24.360 Love is coming. He's going to do an Acoustic set. I have no idea. CC Chapman is arranging all of that. 19:24.360 --> 19:29.160 So I'm very, very excited to see what kind of vibe we can create. Then of course Friday and 19:29.160 --> 19:35.400 Saturday is the Expo. Sunday, back in San Fran Monday, in the office for just a little bit, 19:35.400 --> 19:43.480 then I got to go to Washington, Seattle, Washington, to speak before all of the brand, 19:43.480 --> 19:48.680 I think it's the brand managers and media buyers of Johnson and Johnson. Dude, those guys make a lot 19:48.680 --> 19:54.040 of stuff. You may think they just do a certain amount of products, but they actually do 19:54.040 --> 20:02.360 an Acubu lenses or they own the companies. So that's Tuesday, Tuesday morning, then I hop on a flight 20:02.360 --> 20:06.360 back and then I'm in the office Wednesday. And then Thursday, I have to, well, have to, then I'm 20:06.360 --> 20:12.120 coming back already because Patricia is paying, don't tell them, okay. Then I'll have a computer, 20:12.120 --> 20:16.760 so I don't think they'll hear it, but Patricia's going to pay her dad who just turned 80 a surprise 20:16.760 --> 20:20.520 visit this weekend. So I have to be home to take care of the end of Christina's going to. So I have 20:20.520 --> 20:24.280 to stay home to take care of the cottage and the dogs and then I'll be home for 20:24.280 --> 20:29.400 thing two weeks and then off again just before the holidays. So plenty of Gmail to go through, 20:29.400 --> 20:37.400 I don't know if I'm going to get to most of it. And brand new is the promo upload system. 20:37.400 --> 20:42.040 I got to come up with a better name for that. If you go to promos.podshow.com, 20:42.840 --> 20:48.120 there's basically a WordPress weblog there. You register, you can set up your own username and password, 20:48.200 --> 20:54.280 and then you can create your own post and just throw the URL in anywhere on that post, 20:54.280 --> 20:59.240 you know, just copy and paste it wherever you put up a file on your server and it will automatically 20:59.240 --> 21:04.280 be turned into the podcast feed, which you can subscribe to, down at the bottom, there's a little 21:04.280 --> 21:09.640 link to the RSS feed. And now the promo is just drop right into my system automatically. It is so 21:09.640 --> 21:15.720 incredibly cool. And of course, you know, you could also subscribe to the feed. And if you're 21:16.360 --> 21:20.120 if you've got a podcast that you're, you know, might want to promo some other stuff on, 21:20.120 --> 21:23.880 you're welcome to use it. So, let me give you a couple of those and I'll be right back. 21:28.120 --> 21:33.720 This is Mr. Morgan. And this is Qdog. 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Click-off, click-off, click-off, click-off, click-off, click-off, click-off, click-off, click-off. 24:47.080 --> 25:04.800 Hi everyone, this is Rev Tim from the Rev Tim podcast, fresh from the San Francisco Bay area. 25:04.800 --> 25:09.920 Now if we can bring you a little bit of hope and inspiration, our job has been accomplished. 25:09.920 --> 25:14.160 We want to help you build positive relationships with your spouse, with your children, 25:14.240 --> 25:21.720 with your friends at your workplace and just help you to find out how God wants you to be a better person in this life. 25:21.720 --> 25:24.320 You know, God has a plan and a purpose for your life. 25:24.320 --> 25:28.840 It is not for disaster, but it's to give you a hope and a future. 25:28.840 --> 25:31.840 Check it out, the Rev Tim podcast. 25:31.840 --> 25:34.880 Just go to Rev Tim.com and click on the show no point. 25:34.880 --> 25:47.080 Yeah, Rev Tim, I have a feeling he'll be at the podcast or it's not actually podcast. 25:47.080 --> 25:51.800 It was the portable media expose what it's called and on Tereo this coming weekend. 25:51.800 --> 25:54.800 So here's what I've been thinking about. 25:54.800 --> 25:59.200 I'm going by the way, that's probably clear right now. 26:00.120 --> 26:05.840 I've received so many emails from people saying, hey man, looking forward to seeing you there. 26:05.840 --> 26:12.640 I'm like, oh, this is going to be horrible because the last thing I want is to this is how it usually goes. 26:12.640 --> 26:15.040 You know, you're talking to someone someone else comes up and then, 26:15.040 --> 26:20.440 oh, can I talk to you about this and I, oh, I want to say this and hey, just one second and it's and I love the attention. 26:20.440 --> 26:25.440 Don't get me wrong, but it's just, it's not productive to have any real meaningful conversations. 26:25.440 --> 26:35.000 So here's what I'd like to do for today when you hear this, please send me an email sent it to atomoodcurry.com and put in the subject line, 26:35.000 --> 26:48.120 which we make it easy, see you at PME, there you go, see you at PME and just so I know who's there because I want to try and set up some, 26:48.120 --> 26:53.520 I'm going to be there for a couple of days, so I want to try and set up some kind of schedules that I can meet with people who want to meet, 26:53.520 --> 27:01.120 you know, I want to hook up, I'd love to put some faces to some voices and lots of people have questions and would like to know, 27:01.120 --> 27:12.440 you know, how maybe they can work with us, just send it to atomoodcurry.com, see you at PME and so I can kind of put a list together and then we'll be on a lookout for you. 27:13.440 --> 27:27.440 I've got to find a place where we can have, you know, I think what we're putting together is a place where we can meet and chill and this also goes for pod squadters, 27:27.440 --> 27:35.440 members of the pod squad who are already in the family. This is your very impersonal invitation. 27:35.440 --> 27:43.440 It's just too much, this, you know, everybody wants to talk and everyone wants to hang out. So I'm going to try and coordinate as much as possible. 27:43.440 --> 27:52.440 And if we don't get around to it, you know, please don't be pissed off, you know, it's just as I guess there's 2,000 people coming or something. 27:52.440 --> 28:00.440 And I pretty much assume that every person who's going to be there is is very enthusiastic and interested in podcasting and has lots of questions. 28:00.440 --> 28:06.440 And so hopefully we can get that all together. A couple of pieces of feedback I want to share with you today. 28:06.440 --> 28:17.440 Yeah, my really want to get this out because again, it's just bugging me. I heard your podcast Monday regarding what the record companies are doing again. 28:17.440 --> 28:26.440 And I'm not in the recording business, but I really am getting frustrated by everything sounding the same, looking the same. 28:27.440 --> 28:32.440 And here it is, you know, there is this great tool we have. It's podcasting. 28:32.440 --> 28:37.440 I'm one of a hundred million people ready to embrace something different. 28:37.440 --> 28:46.440 I mean, if an artist can understand that this is a great on-ramp to get notice, I mean, I'm ready to give you money. I promise I will. 28:46.440 --> 28:50.440 And there's people out there, all they want to, they're tired of the radio. 28:50.440 --> 28:57.440 They're tired, they want, they're looking for juice, they're looking for something that's exciting, that's real. 28:57.440 --> 29:00.440 And you can tell the fake stuff from the good stuff. 29:00.440 --> 29:04.440 And please, all I'm saying to anybody out there with talent, let it out there. 29:04.440 --> 29:13.440 I mean, if I had some talent, I don't care about the money so much right now as it is, to let your gift out there for the masses to know what it is. 29:13.440 --> 29:19.440 And that's what pop you. We've got to stay together on this because podcasts are right on this. 29:19.440 --> 29:25.440 This is a correct way of going. And this is what's going to make us win in the long end, long run. 29:25.440 --> 29:31.440 It is because it's right. And it's about time we all stand up to all the BS out there. 29:31.440 --> 29:35.440 And we say, no, this is how it's going to happen because we need it. 29:35.440 --> 29:40.440 This is a change that is going on now. And if you don't do it this way, guess what we get? 29:40.440 --> 29:45.440 The same old crap day in and day out. I'm tired of it. 29:45.440 --> 29:48.440 No way, the door has been open just a little bit. And that's enough for me. 29:48.440 --> 29:51.440 And I hope it's enough for millions of other people out there. 29:51.440 --> 29:52.440 Thanks. 29:52.440 --> 29:53.440 Right, I'm Mark. 29:53.440 --> 29:54.440 Thank you very much for this feedback. 29:54.440 --> 29:58.440 Well, it's true, you know. And by the way, that repetition, it's kind of, it's logical. 29:58.440 --> 30:01.440 It's not mainstream media's fault, you know. 30:01.440 --> 30:06.440 They can't narrow cast or do only like the roadhouse podcast, you know, you can't. 30:07.440 --> 30:13.440 It just won't work. It's, you can't get an audience big enough to justify the infrastructure needed to broadcast that. 30:13.440 --> 30:21.440 And, you know, even clear channel only has, you know, only has, you know, 2,000 radio stations that they own and control. 30:21.440 --> 30:25.440 Well, podcast alley, I think just passed 10,000 podcasts. 30:25.440 --> 30:29.440 You know, so it's obvious that this is, it's a breakout, you know, you're right. 30:29.440 --> 30:35.440 It is totally a breakout. And I predict that within the next couple of years what will happen is there will be a meltdown. 30:35.440 --> 30:43.440 Podcasting will make licensed RIA, licensed music irrelevant, irrelevant in culturally irrelevant. 30:43.440 --> 30:49.440 Let me put it that way because I think people are migrating more, you know, everyone has time for their independent stuff. 30:49.440 --> 30:57.440 That's just becoming more, you know, people are tuning out to tuning out from mainstream and tuning in a little bit more to the alternative side. 30:57.440 --> 31:01.440 All it takes is a little bit of trust in your customers. 31:01.440 --> 31:06.440 So I do predict that once, you know, the math is really simple on this stuff. 31:06.440 --> 31:10.440 But once you get to the point where you have a song that people like. 31:10.440 --> 31:14.440 Let's say there's the, right now we have 10,000 podcasters. 31:14.440 --> 31:22.440 I think that it would be possible for one song to catch enough fire for 10% a thousand podcasters to, to want to play that song because they really dig it. 31:22.440 --> 31:25.440 I think that's, that's very, very possible. 31:25.440 --> 31:26.440 We might not have hit it yet. 31:26.440 --> 31:31.440 Maybe we have and we just haven't been able to track it properly yet. I'm not sure. 31:31.440 --> 31:38.440 Now, it's also not completely unthinkable that each of those thousand podcasters would have a thousand listeners, you know. 31:38.440 --> 31:40.440 I think that's that's reasonable. 31:40.440 --> 31:51.440 I think I think that there's plenty of shows out there that have anywhere from 500 to 5000 listeners and definitely more than a thousand. 31:51.440 --> 31:53.440 So what if they all played one track? 31:53.440 --> 32:00.440 Well, when we do the math, a thousand times a thousand is a million. So you'd have a million people hearing that track. 32:00.440 --> 32:05.440 Now, of course, there's some crossover you may be subscribed to the same show, but come on. 32:05.440 --> 32:12.440 It's a much better tracking mechanism than being used right now for radio with people filling out diaries. 32:12.440 --> 32:17.440 And then there's this BDS system. It's just, it's an old fashioned system. 32:17.440 --> 32:24.440 But when we have, you know, when we're able to expose music to a million people, watch the back catalog open up. 32:24.440 --> 32:27.440 Please, it'll happen. It really will. 32:27.440 --> 32:30.440 And there's so much untapped money there. 32:30.440 --> 32:38.440 There's, you know, there's back catalogs are huge, much larger than the one and a half million songs that's available on iTunes today. 32:38.440 --> 32:42.440 It's just a matter of giving people access to it and the people want it. 32:42.440 --> 32:44.440 So I think that's probably what happened. 32:44.440 --> 32:51.440 And this will happen across the board. Once it's evident how large this movement is and how many people are participating in it. 32:51.440 --> 32:59.440 I think we're going to see some changes until then, you're right. I'm really excited about a lot of the new music and the artists that are out there. 32:59.440 --> 33:07.440 Still want to talk about the, because the interesting wired article I read about the podcast, the podcast expo, the portable media expo. 33:08.440 --> 33:10.440 There's other places you can meet up with podcasts. 33:10.440 --> 33:17.440 If you can't make it to the expo, there are these, you probably heard of meetup dot, I think it's meetup.com, we'll meetup.org, meetup.com, I think. 33:17.440 --> 33:20.440 Well, the meetups. So there's podcasts or meetups. 33:20.440 --> 33:22.440 And in San Francisco, there's one. 33:22.440 --> 33:24.440 I think it's the first Wednesday of every month. 33:24.440 --> 33:28.440 I have successfully been able to schedule my flights wrong every single time. 33:28.440 --> 33:32.440 So I haven't been able to attend a single one. 33:32.440 --> 33:37.440 But I do know that lots of pod show folks go there and there's audio folks and podcasters. 33:37.440 --> 33:42.440 And I believe Michael Butler actually organizes these. Now actually, I'm sure he organizes them. 33:42.440 --> 33:50.440 And someone sent me a piece of audio from the most recent one, which must have been just the other night. 33:50.440 --> 33:55.440 It's really nice to hear what what people I work with think about me. 33:55.440 --> 33:57.440 So please ask questions. 33:57.440 --> 33:59.440 This is Michael Butler. 33:59.440 --> 34:00.440 The meetup. 34:00.440 --> 34:02.440 My name is Kevin Ostrowski. 34:02.440 --> 34:05.440 I've yet to have a podcast, but I'm working on a few ideas. 34:05.440 --> 34:08.440 I work over at Pod Show. 34:08.440 --> 34:10.440 Well, is the name of that company? 34:10.440 --> 34:11.440 Pod Show. 34:11.440 --> 34:12.440 Okay. 34:12.440 --> 34:14.440 I understand some other cool people work there too. 34:14.440 --> 34:16.440 Yeah, we got a nice crew. 34:16.440 --> 34:19.440 And here's another developer. 34:19.440 --> 34:21.440 Oh, I don't know what you're talking about. 34:21.440 --> 34:23.440 I'm here for the drinks. 34:23.440 --> 34:25.440 My name is Colleen. 34:25.440 --> 34:28.440 That sounds like a real pod show employee. 34:28.440 --> 34:30.440 I'm here with the drinks. 34:30.440 --> 34:33.440 And I don't have a podcast either, in fact, I listen to the radio. 34:33.440 --> 34:37.440 What are you doing? 34:37.440 --> 34:39.440 So what do you do it? 34:39.440 --> 34:40.440 Oh, my goodness. 34:40.440 --> 34:41.440 Colleen. 34:41.440 --> 34:42.440 Dude. 34:42.440 --> 34:43.440 We got to work on the last. 34:43.440 --> 34:44.440 What are you doing? 34:44.440 --> 34:45.440 I'm in the pod show. 34:45.440 --> 34:47.440 What are you doing? 34:47.440 --> 34:48.440 Pardon me? 34:48.440 --> 34:50.440 What do you do at Pod Show? 34:50.440 --> 34:52.440 Uh, cause a lot of trouble. 34:52.440 --> 34:57.440 And uh, do some software stuff. 34:57.440 --> 35:00.440 I bring people together, really. 35:00.440 --> 35:03.440 I build cool shit. 35:03.440 --> 35:07.440 It's like hand-holding between listeners, musicians, and... 35:07.440 --> 35:11.440 You might know any cool shit that's in the pipeline from Pod Show. 35:11.440 --> 35:13.440 That's what you listen to daily source code for. 35:13.440 --> 35:14.440 Really? 35:14.440 --> 35:15.440 No. 35:15.440 --> 35:18.440 You don't get any information from the daily source code. 35:18.440 --> 35:26.440 I'll give him a break, poor guy. 35:26.440 --> 35:28.440 Okay, Colleen, little star. 35:28.440 --> 35:31.440 Michael Butler gets a little checkmark there. 35:31.440 --> 35:32.440 Okay. 35:32.440 --> 35:36.440 I'm just keeping a tally here. 35:36.440 --> 35:37.440 The meetups. 35:37.440 --> 35:39.440 Wonderful stuff. 35:39.440 --> 35:41.440 Let me see. 35:41.440 --> 35:42.440 What should I do now? 35:42.440 --> 35:43.440 What am I? 35:43.440 --> 35:44.440 Man, I've been doing it. 35:44.440 --> 35:45.440 What are we now? 35:45.440 --> 35:47.440 Almost more than half an hour. 35:47.440 --> 35:48.440 Okay. 35:48.440 --> 35:52.440 I want to talk about this wired article that greeted me this morning as I woke up. 35:52.440 --> 35:54.440 First, I'll do a couple more promos. 35:54.440 --> 35:55.440 Get those out of the way. 35:55.440 --> 35:59.440 The fourth annual Southern California Linux Expo is coming. 35:59.440 --> 36:04.440 It will be February 11th and 12th 2006 at the Western Los Angeles Airport. 36:04.440 --> 36:06.440 Scale 4X will build on Scale 3X. 36:06.440 --> 36:10.440 We've moved to a new location, which has allowed us to expand the Expo. 36:10.440 --> 36:15.440 We'll have more speaker tracks and more tutorials designed to show users of all scale levels. 36:15.440 --> 36:22.440 What open source can do, and Scale 4X will offer more boost space for those interested in showing how they've made open source work for them. 36:22.440 --> 36:29.440 If you're interested in presenting on a topic, the Scale 4X call for papers open through November 20th 2005. 36:29.440 --> 36:34.440 For those staying over, the Western is offering special hotel room rates for the Expo. 36:34.440 --> 36:39.440 Whatever your interest in open source, Scale 4X has something for you. 36:39.440 --> 36:41.440 Park fools! 36:41.440 --> 36:42.440 What are your sources? 36:42.440 --> 36:43.440 You don't have to do. 36:43.440 --> 36:44.440 What? 36:44.440 --> 36:46.440 Are they drawing on these park lines? 36:46.440 --> 36:47.440 Turn me a bit, Volio. 36:47.440 --> 36:49.440 Look upon by death. 36:49.440 --> 36:50.440 I do what keep them. 36:50.440 --> 36:51.440 Hey there, Adam. 36:51.440 --> 36:53.440 This is Sean J from Shakespeare Cast. 36:53.440 --> 36:55.440 Live from the streets of Verona, Italy. 36:55.440 --> 36:59.440 Where it looks like the cavealts and monogues are getting a little hot and heavy again. 36:59.440 --> 37:03.440 Anyway, I just wanted to tell you about our new podcast at ShakespeareCast.com. 37:03.440 --> 37:07.440 Or we're doing full cast recordings of Shakespeare's plays. 37:07.440 --> 37:08.440 Oh yeah. 37:08.440 --> 37:09.440 Calm down, everybody. 37:10.440 --> 37:13.440 Full cast recordings of Shakespeare plays one act at a time. 37:13.440 --> 37:18.440 Well, right now it's more like one scene at a time, but we can't all start out as the pod 37:18.440 --> 37:20.440 Father now can we? 37:20.440 --> 37:24.440 So head on over to ShakespeareCast.com and find out if Romeo and Juliet will make it this 37:24.440 --> 37:25.440 time. 37:25.440 --> 37:27.440 Oh, who am I kidding? 37:27.440 --> 37:29.440 It's a tragedy. 37:29.440 --> 37:32.440 Anyway, I love your show, but that sounds like the prince. 37:32.440 --> 37:37.440 So I'd better get out of here before I get stabbed, poisoned, hung, or find out that the young 37:37.440 --> 37:42.440 male page I find myself strangely attracted to is actually a shipwreck young woman. 37:42.440 --> 37:44.440 Oh, sorry. 37:44.440 --> 37:46.440 Wrong play. 37:46.440 --> 37:47.440 Shakespeare cast. 37:47.440 --> 37:49.440 Does that not hear? 37:49.440 --> 37:53.440 Pot show should only be enjoyed under the supervision of a podcasting professional. 37:53.440 --> 37:54.440 Warning. 37:54.440 --> 37:57.440 Do not attempt this at home. 37:57.440 --> 38:01.440 Alright, coming up, I'm going to take a look at this wired article that came out 38:01.440 --> 38:08.440 some kind of riff between apparently I have a riff with the portable music expo. 38:08.440 --> 38:11.440 We'll get into that for sure. 38:11.440 --> 38:14.440 Oh, man, I played these roles before. 38:14.440 --> 38:16.440 Wake it up the neighborhood. 38:16.440 --> 38:17.440 Why are the women? 38:18.750 --> 41:37.480 [ Music ] 41:37.480 --> 41:40.340 You ain't never brought it down 41:40.360 --> 41:41.500 Who was that? 41:41.500 --> 41:43.060 Take me to it 41:43.060 --> 41:44.380 If we'd fooled your women 41:44.380 --> 41:45.600 We accompagnoned our neighborhood 41:45.600 --> 41:45.900 That's right 41:45.900 --> 41:52.020 on the source code music.podshow.com is where you can find that. So I don't know if 41:52.020 --> 41:56.020 you've seen this yet, I'm sure it'll show up in the show notes, which of course 41:56.020 --> 42:02.700 you can find at dailysourcecode.com or curry.com. Oh man, huge controversy 42:02.700 --> 42:09.900 brewing in the podcast world. You should read this article. It's so typical. So 42:09.900 --> 42:14.700 it apparently wired is the reporting that I, that I, interestingly enough, 42:14.700 --> 42:19.540 have an issue with the portable media expo. I'm not quite sure what happened 42:19.540 --> 42:24.540 here in all the communication and, you know, geez, these guys, the podcast 42:24.540 --> 42:27.820 brother started this idea over a year ago. I was, I've always been very 42:27.820 --> 42:31.500 supportive of it and, and I've promoted and played bits from the show and I've 42:31.500 --> 42:37.700 talked about it. I think maybe, you know, they said something on one of their 42:37.700 --> 42:41.700 shows. I'm just going to paraphrase here. Oh no, I'm sorry, it started, it did 42:41.700 --> 42:46.420 start with me. I said, I, I didn't think that the portable media expo was the 42:46.420 --> 42:50.820 right venue for us to, you know, to get up on stage and talk about what we're 42:50.820 --> 42:55.540 doing. And I think there, quote, was, look, where the Detroit auto show and 42:55.540 --> 42:59.460 pod show was for that's weird that they're not there or something to that 42:59.460 --> 43:04.220 effect. And so somehow it kind of got out of hand. I think Aaron, the pod 43:04.220 --> 43:08.340 pin, who does marketing communications for us at pod show. Maybe you got a 43:08.340 --> 43:12.700 little bit excited, you know, and when he heard that and, you know, Aaron's a good 43:12.700 --> 43:16.700 guy gets, he's passionate about it gets worked up. And of course, what happens 43:16.700 --> 43:20.500 then is the press loves a good controversy. Well, let me just tell you, the 43:20.500 --> 43:26.300 expo is a fantastic idea and I supported 100%. I just want you to know, my 43:26.300 --> 43:31.020 actually our approach, my partner and co-founder of pod show Ron Bloom, we've 43:31.020 --> 43:36.620 been in business for like 12 years together. We've had many businesses. The 43:36.620 --> 43:40.580 last one we did together. We took public. We had 700 people. You know, it was 43:40.580 --> 43:46.340 huge operation. But never, ever, ever have we paid to play, I guess is is 43:46.340 --> 43:50.300 what you could call it. Because here's here's how trade shows work. Basically 43:50.300 --> 43:56.140 you sponsor the show. And then you get to put a speaker up on stage to do 43:56.140 --> 44:00.140 often the keynote is offered or some other spot. And then you can basically do 44:00.140 --> 44:04.620 your commercial. You do your ad about whatever product you're you're promoting. 44:04.620 --> 44:07.700 This is exactly what Audible does. And by the way, a company like Audible, 44:07.700 --> 44:12.300 this is how they operate. And this is the way they understand doing PR. Audible 44:12.300 --> 44:16.300 has not been the force in pod casting at all. And now they're a platinum 44:16.300 --> 44:20.060 sponsor. And, you know, they they paid. And so they're going to have a 44:20.060 --> 44:23.340 speaking slot. I'm not quite sure if Don Katz is coming or someone else 44:23.340 --> 44:28.940 representing the company. And they'll be rolling out a pod casting service 44:28.940 --> 44:32.860 that that I know about, but I'm not glad to tell you about, which so I won't 44:32.860 --> 44:36.380 know, damn announcements. So, but that's kind of the way it works, you know, 44:36.380 --> 44:39.660 and we've never felt a need to do that. And, you know, when you're looking at 44:39.660 --> 44:44.780 and it costs a lot of money to do this, you know, it's anywhere from 25 to 35,000 44:44.780 --> 44:49.260 dollars. Well, first of all, we have nothing to announce, per se. I think there's 44:49.260 --> 44:52.780 going to be a lot of announcements at this show. So, I'm much more of, hey, 44:52.780 --> 44:55.740 let me just hang back and see what everyone else is doing and announcing. And, 44:55.740 --> 45:00.620 you know, we've we want to be wise with how we invest our funds. And we 45:00.620 --> 45:06.060 typically invest them in podcasters, which is the root of all of this. 45:06.060 --> 45:09.980 You know, we're trying to help people do this full time. We're, um, 45:09.980 --> 45:15.980 we're investing in the, um, in the podsafe music hold-down, uh, Thursday night. 45:15.980 --> 45:18.220 You know, there's, uh, there's a couple of grand in that, uh, 45:18.220 --> 45:21.980 to, you know, get people out and put people up and, uh, and get the venues 45:21.980 --> 45:28.220 squared away, um, you know, so it's, um, it's, uh, that's what I like so much about, 45:28.300 --> 45:31.500 actually Dave Wein are really solidified this for me a couple of years ago when he started 45:31.500 --> 45:37.340 doing blogger con, which is the unconference. You know, it's, um, you, you go to a university 45:37.340 --> 45:41.980 in this case, which is a, you know, pretty much a free venue. And, and I've always sponsored 45:41.980 --> 45:45.820 blogger con. You know, I'll be the first to put down, you know, as much as Google did, 45:45.820 --> 45:49.180 you know, I think we both put down a thousand dollars. I love that. I mean, that's the way it is. 45:49.180 --> 45:56.460 There's no advertising. Um, it's, it's just free form communications. And, uh, to be honest, 45:56.860 --> 46:02.380 um, uh, I think this is probably surrounds whether I should have done a keynote or not. I have nothing to say. 46:02.940 --> 46:06.220 I mean, I got plenty to say, but that's what I love saying on the daily source code. 46:06.220 --> 46:12.940 Little secret that not many of you know, I really, really, really do not like speaking in front of 46:12.940 --> 46:18.380 audience just strange as it sounds. I love the little protection of my windscreen and my microphone. 46:18.380 --> 46:22.380 I'm not big on doing that. It's like that Johnson Johnson thing I mentioned earlier, man, 46:22.460 --> 46:26.300 they got a drag me to that because I mean, once I'm actually into the groove of it, 46:26.300 --> 46:31.020 and I kind of treated like a show, then I'm, yeah, then I'm vibing on it. But, um, oh, no, because 46:31.020 --> 46:36.540 I'm, I'm not funny. I'm not particularly quick on my feet. Um, I like to have things prepared. 46:36.540 --> 46:41.340 And, yeah, it's just, it's, uh, it's different than announcing a Michael Jackson video, you know, 46:41.340 --> 46:46.620 it's just much harder. So, um, so, and then what am I going to say? Hey, everybody, here's the 46:46.700 --> 46:53.260 pod father. Thanks for coming. Come on, man. That's not for me. Um, and we actually, um, put together 46:53.260 --> 47:00.060 quite a, uh, quite a little schedule of, uh, flying, um, different pod show podcasters in, uh, 47:00.060 --> 47:05.020 getting, uh, making sure that we can meet with everybody who wants to hook up, um, trying to 47:05.020 --> 47:10.300 bring some good cheer. You know, and then I got a little messy where, you know, we wanted press credentials 47:10.300 --> 47:15.260 for Steve Gilmore and Madge Weinstein and Madge Weinstein was refused to press good to credentials. 47:15.260 --> 47:20.540 So, that kind of got to, what's that, huh? Uh, yes, thank you. Yes, that's mine. 47:21.420 --> 47:24.860 You're too late. You can't be on the show. Now, only have a couple minutes left. 47:27.260 --> 47:31.820 Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't you see the red light revolving in front of the door, which means you can come 47:31.820 --> 47:39.020 on in and that means you can come in. Red light spells danger. Thanks, baby. Okay, let love you. 47:39.420 --> 47:40.300 Love you, too. 47:44.300 --> 47:52.300 So, um, right, right. So, you know, that's the trade shows to me, you know, sponsoring that 47:52.300 --> 47:57.100 is sponsoring the trade show business, which is great. And, uh, and I hope that the, uh, 47:57.100 --> 48:01.980 the podcast brothers are very successful. I hope this is a recurring event. I think it's fantastic. 48:01.980 --> 48:07.580 You know, it could easily be as, as big as any other, um, expo or trade show, uh, but 48:07.580 --> 48:12.700 you have just never, we've never, you know, spent any money on that. You know, it, it comes from, 48:12.700 --> 48:17.180 from the roots itself. And that's what we want to put our money is in, uh, in podcasters who, 48:18.220 --> 48:22.860 um, strive to quit their, their day job. I think that there's a lot of people who would love to do that. 48:22.860 --> 48:28.460 All right. So, I want to help you do that. Um, and you'll be hearing a lot, uh, um, certainly if we, 48:28.460 --> 48:33.420 if we have an opportunity to hook up or if you see any of the other pod squatters, then, um, 48:33.500 --> 48:38.460 they'll be telling you about the audition and, uh, all the good stuff that is, uh, that is to come. 48:38.460 --> 48:44.380 So, no bad blood, my brothers. Not at all. Not at all. And that's it. Um, I'm going to start 48:44.380 --> 48:49.900 packing. I have that whole list to, to, to work off all that stuff I got to do. I appreciate the time 48:49.900 --> 48:53.820 you took, uh, this morning and I will talk to you either tomorrow or Friday. Bye bye.