WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.000 Delta Shira Charley 00:05.000 --> 00:08.000 2 8 9 00:08.000 --> 00:14.000 We here at Legal Legal Television 00:14.000 --> 00:16.000 Bring you exclusive live coverage 00:16.000 --> 00:18.000 of the man versus Adam Curry trial. 00:18.000 --> 00:20.000 We take you now to the courtroom. 00:20.000 --> 00:23.000 Hey Lars, for the Apple Church, 00:23.000 --> 00:25.000 on a handgun. 00:25.000 --> 00:27.000 This is federal court case 00:27.000 --> 00:32.000 1 0 0 0 0 9 00:32.000 --> 00:34.000 And the charge is against the defendant. 00:34.000 --> 00:39.000 Adam Curry is lack of respect for music establishment. 00:39.000 --> 00:43.000 All those Mr. Clay, please. 00:43.000 --> 00:45.000 Your honor, my name is envy, 00:45.000 --> 00:47.000 and I am defending Mr. Curry. 00:47.000 --> 00:49.000 He plays guilty to being correct in his opinion 00:49.000 --> 00:51.000 of the music established 00:51.000 --> 00:55.000 and not guilty for expressing those feelings. 00:57.000 --> 01:02.000 You're honor, we find Mr. Curry to be a disruptive force 01:02.000 --> 01:04.000 to the well-established music industry 01:04.000 --> 01:07.000 and as the charges read, 01:07.000 --> 01:13.000 very disrespectful indeed. 01:13.000 --> 01:18.000 We find Mr. Curry to be a disruptive force 01:18.000 --> 01:21.000 to the well-established music industry 01:21.000 --> 01:24.000 and as the charges read, 01:24.000 --> 01:27.000 very disrespectful indeed. 01:27.000 --> 01:31.000 We'd play for the court the following evidence. 01:31.000 --> 01:34.000 The issue of copyrights that you sign over to them 01:34.000 --> 01:35.000 or assign them, 01:35.000 --> 01:39.000 and we heard about the Dutch Buma Stemera. 01:39.000 --> 01:41.000 We heard about the German Gema, 01:41.000 --> 01:44.000 and now you're not going to believe this. 01:44.000 --> 01:46.000 This is exactly what I was, 01:46.000 --> 01:48.000 I joked about this happening. 01:48.000 --> 01:49.000 I've choked about it. 01:49.000 --> 01:51.000 Okay, so essentially what is happening here 01:52.000 --> 01:54.000 with the European rights organizations 01:54.000 --> 01:56.000 and so far we know it's the same. 01:56.000 --> 01:59.000 Also, it's for the Dutch, the Germans, and the French. 01:59.000 --> 02:03.000 When you sign up with their version of Ask Had BMI, 02:03.000 --> 02:07.000 you are not allowed to give away any other rights to anyone. 02:07.000 --> 02:09.000 So you cannot say to a podcaster, 02:09.000 --> 02:11.000 hey, go ahead, take my stuff 02:11.000 --> 02:13.000 and go and play it for free. 02:13.000 --> 02:15.000 That will be a breach of your contract 02:15.000 --> 02:17.000 with that rights organization. 02:18.000 --> 02:21.000 It's like it's a conundrum, I guess. 02:21.000 --> 02:25.000 So I feel that we need to address this issue. 02:25.000 --> 02:26.000 I'm not quite sure. 02:26.000 --> 02:28.000 Is there one central organization? 02:28.000 --> 02:29.000 I didn't find it. 02:29.000 --> 02:32.000 I didn't find that it works across all of these rights organizations. 02:32.000 --> 02:33.000 But this is wrong. 02:33.000 --> 02:34.000 I mean, if it's your property, 02:34.000 --> 02:36.000 then you should be able to change that license 02:36.000 --> 02:37.000 however you want. 02:37.000 --> 02:39.000 I think it is a constitutional right 02:39.000 --> 02:43.000 of these organizations to be the only one to collect 02:43.000 --> 02:45.000 or not collect, I guess. 02:45.000 --> 02:48.000 On artists' copyright royalties. 02:48.000 --> 02:50.000 It's not just what it is. 02:50.000 --> 02:52.000 And with that, you're on a... 02:52.000 --> 02:55.000 the prosecution rests. 02:55.000 --> 02:59.000 Well, what does the defense have to say to that? 02:59.000 --> 03:00.000 Your honor? 03:00.000 --> 03:02.000 The fact of the matter is... 03:02.000 --> 03:03.000 the truth hurts. 03:03.000 --> 03:07.000 In addition, the words spoken by Mr. Curry simply reflect 03:07.000 --> 03:09.000 the feelings of thousands of podcasters 03:09.000 --> 03:12.000 and millions of listeners across the planet. 03:12.000 --> 03:14.000 I, your honor, and both a podcaster 03:14.000 --> 03:16.000 and a listener of podcasters. 03:16.000 --> 03:18.000 I serve producer podcasters 03:18.000 --> 03:20.000 and in bedtime stories my kids love 03:20.000 --> 03:22.000 and begin listening to podcasters 03:22.000 --> 03:24.000 and then producing my podcasters 03:24.000 --> 03:27.000 do in part to the hard work by the podfather 03:27.000 --> 03:28.000 Adam Curry. 03:28.000 --> 03:30.000 I for one agree with Mr. Curry 03:30.000 --> 03:32.000 and believe thousands and thousands of people 03:32.000 --> 03:33.000 feel the same way. 03:33.000 --> 03:36.000 Whatever, that number is growing every day, your honor. 03:36.000 --> 03:38.000 The ground swell has just begun. 03:38.000 --> 03:40.000 The tipping point is near. 03:40.000 --> 03:43.000 Your honor, do you want to always be known as the judge 03:43.000 --> 03:46.000 that failed to support podcasting? 03:46.000 --> 03:47.000 I do not think so. 03:47.000 --> 03:50.000 Your honor, I employ you to listen to my podcasters 03:50.000 --> 03:53.000 bedtime stories my kids love in items. 03:53.000 --> 03:55.000 And your honor, in closing, 03:55.000 --> 03:56.000 I am speaking for Mr. Curry 03:56.000 --> 03:59.000 and thousands of podcasters across the world. 03:59.000 --> 04:00.000 Get off our back. 04:00.000 --> 04:02.000 We are not going away. 04:02.000 --> 04:05.000 And with that, your honor, the defense rests. 04:05.000 --> 04:09.000 I am overwhelmed by the compelling evidence 04:09.000 --> 04:10.000 presented. 04:10.000 --> 04:13.000 Mr. Curry is obviously disrespectful 04:13.000 --> 04:15.000 to the established music industry. 04:15.000 --> 04:17.000 Whatever, in light of the growing audience 04:17.000 --> 04:20.000 and the obvious following of Adam Curry's opinions 04:20.000 --> 04:23.000 indicated by the swelling number of podcasters, 04:23.000 --> 04:25.000 both listeners and producers, 04:25.000 --> 04:28.000 I find Mr. Curry, my guilty. 04:29.000 --> 04:33.000 60 million dollars worth of airplane 04:33.000 --> 04:35.000 strapped to my ass. 04:35.000 --> 04:38.000 Done the next generation radio content in my ears. 04:38.000 --> 04:43.000 I like to think I'm flying you to the future. 04:43.000 --> 04:45.000 I'm just kidding. 04:45.000 --> 04:47.000 And it's Wednesday. 04:47.000 --> 04:48.000 Hello, everybody. 04:48.000 --> 04:50.000 Finally, after weeks of bitching, 04:50.000 --> 04:51.000 we've got one. 04:51.000 --> 04:53.000 A Hanukkah holiday pod save music track. 04:53.000 --> 04:54.000 Good morning. 04:56.250 --> 07:28.750 [ Music ] 07:30.000 --> 07:33.000 Rock up here. 07:33.000 --> 07:34.000 All right. 07:34.000 --> 07:36.000 Enough people sent me that one. 07:36.000 --> 07:38.000 Thank you very much from the pod save music network. 07:38.000 --> 07:41.000 The very first holiday Hanukkah song. 07:41.000 --> 07:43.000 I'm sure we're more to follow. 07:44.000 --> 07:47.000 We missed Ramadan, but maybe next year we'll catch up on that. 07:47.000 --> 07:48.000 Hey, everybody. 07:48.000 --> 07:49.000 How you doing? 07:49.000 --> 07:51.000 Welcome to the daily source code. 07:51.000 --> 07:55.000 I'm back in the studio at the Curry Cottage in Gilford, United Kingdom. 07:55.000 --> 07:58.000 Here for another week or so before I head off to San Francisco. 07:58.000 --> 08:01.000 One more time before Christmas. 08:01.000 --> 08:03.000 For a number of things. 08:03.000 --> 08:05.000 Man, man, man, man, man. 08:05.000 --> 08:07.000 It's been so busy last night. 08:07.000 --> 08:09.000 I had a really, a lot of seconds. 08:09.000 --> 08:10.000 Let me just make sure. 08:10.000 --> 08:11.000 I found this. 08:11.000 --> 08:12.000 I think it's better. 08:12.000 --> 08:13.000 It's a little bit better. 08:13.000 --> 08:14.000 I got to work on this. 08:14.000 --> 08:17.000 I didn't sleep very well last night for a number of reasons. 08:17.000 --> 08:24.000 The first is that yesterday was another one of those 16 hour days where, you know, I was, 08:24.000 --> 08:26.000 I, you know, I get up. 08:26.000 --> 08:32.000 Yesterday we did the cruiser cast and around four o'clock. 08:32.000 --> 08:34.000 That's when San Francisco wakes up. 08:34.000 --> 08:36.000 Everyone was back from a long holiday. 08:36.000 --> 08:38.000 Thanksgiving weekend. 08:38.000 --> 08:39.000 And lots of calls. 08:39.000 --> 08:44.000 And actually, I got really excited about some of the conversations we had yesterday. 08:44.000 --> 08:46.000 We had everybody in the office on it. 08:46.000 --> 08:47.000 And I was on it. 08:47.000 --> 08:49.000 I call in on a conference call or Skype. 08:49.000 --> 08:54.000 Sometimes I do video depending on where, however, you know, we have multiple ways of connecting. 08:54.000 --> 08:55.000 And we had everybody. 08:55.000 --> 08:57.000 We had software engineers. 08:57.000 --> 08:58.000 We had designers. 08:58.000 --> 09:04.000 We had promotion marketing, sales, accounting, controller, finance, operations. 09:04.000 --> 09:09.000 And of course, what we're going through is the couple of initiatives, the audition, which 09:09.000 --> 09:11.000 will be hearing more about very soon. 09:11.000 --> 09:17.000 The podcast, the Pod Show podcast, delivery network, which we're also going to tell you about 09:17.000 --> 09:18.000 very soon. 09:18.000 --> 09:21.000 I mean, really in detail, we'll unleash some announcements about that. 09:21.000 --> 09:22.000 Yes, damn announcements coming. 09:22.000 --> 09:26.000 And really how everything all kind of fits together. 09:26.000 --> 09:31.000 And how podcasters who are interested can grow their audience. 09:31.000 --> 09:38.000 And eventually with some luck and a lot of hard work, elbow grease, quit your day job. 09:38.000 --> 09:42.000 But that wasn't the main reason for my unrest, just because of the excitement and, you know, 09:42.000 --> 09:45.000 my brain still spinning by the time it hit the pillow. 09:45.000 --> 09:47.000 I just kept on going and going. 09:47.000 --> 09:50.000 But I'm not quite sure. 09:50.000 --> 09:54.000 I tried to explain to Patricia this morning. 09:54.000 --> 09:56.000 Actually, the minute I woke up, I said, oh, Matt is sleep very well. 09:56.000 --> 09:57.000 And here's why. 09:57.000 --> 09:59.000 And she understood it very well. 09:59.000 --> 10:04.000 It has to do with negativity and positivity. 10:04.000 --> 10:12.000 It's a rollercoaster ride that I witnessed every single day online. 10:12.000 --> 10:14.000 There's something about the human nature. 10:14.000 --> 10:18.000 And I'm not quite sure what it is, but it is without a doubt human nature. 10:18.000 --> 10:22.000 First of all, everybody lives in their own reality. 10:22.000 --> 10:23.000 I have my reality. 10:23.000 --> 10:26.000 This moment, my reality is completely different from yours. 10:26.000 --> 10:27.000 You're in a different place. 10:27.000 --> 10:28.000 You're in a different head space. 10:28.000 --> 10:29.000 You're thinking of different things. 10:29.000 --> 10:32.000 And by the way, you are the center of the universe of your universe. 10:32.000 --> 10:35.000 And I'm the center of my universe. 10:35.000 --> 10:39.000 And when these universes start to collide, that's when interesting things happen. 10:39.000 --> 10:46.000 And one of the most interesting things that happens with this incredible growth of communications that we've seen 10:46.000 --> 10:50.000 is that people who rise to the top get kicked down. 10:50.000 --> 10:54.000 Or there's people ready to kick them down or drag them down. 10:54.000 --> 10:57.000 There's other people who are willing to push them back up based upon that dragging down. 10:57.000 --> 10:59.000 That's why I say this roller coaster. 10:59.000 --> 11:02.000 It's almost like a yo-yo effect. 11:02.000 --> 11:09.000 You can see great examples of this, for example, on podcastali.com in the forums where people are talking about pod show. 11:09.000 --> 11:11.000 You can see this happening with Google now. 11:11.000 --> 11:12.000 Remember Google? 11:12.000 --> 11:15.000 Remember when it was the coolest shit and we loved it and it was fantastic. 11:15.000 --> 11:18.000 And these guys were finally doing the right thing. 11:18.000 --> 11:23.000 Well, now it seems if you listen to the noise and the signal to noise ratio or something you've got to look out for. 11:23.000 --> 11:28.000 It seems that Google's evil, all of a sudden, particularly the people who said they would do no evil. 11:28.000 --> 11:36.000 And when that's kind of baseless, most of this is baseless, but it's based upon someone else's reality of the situation. 11:36.000 --> 11:44.000 And that's how you read an article, how stories told to you, how you read an article is different from how it's written. 11:44.000 --> 11:47.000 There are all these things that kind of fit together. 11:47.000 --> 11:57.000 And one thing that Patricia and I really learned when we moved to the Netherlands and just before the millennium, 1999, the end of the year, 11:57.000 --> 12:01.000 is that this is really propelled. 12:01.000 --> 12:06.000 And it is a direct result, I think, of so many people being able to have their voice heard, which is great. 12:06.000 --> 12:08.000 I mean, I love that. 12:08.000 --> 12:13.000 But it comes somewhere, this is what Patricia's take on it. 12:13.000 --> 12:17.000 And I should get her in here to talk about that. Maybe we'll do that tomorrow, we'll have a broader discussion. 12:17.000 --> 12:21.000 I'm just kind of brain farting at the moment. 12:21.000 --> 12:26.000 It's not necessarily people who spew negativity or flame. 12:26.000 --> 12:32.000 There's lots of people like comic strip blogger on thecurry.com comments, the same deal. 12:32.000 --> 12:42.000 I think that if someone is unhappy about their own universe, regardless of what that problem is, 12:42.000 --> 12:51.000 and you see someone else who apparently is happy, then there's this automatic humor. 12:51.000 --> 12:54.000 I do it too, by the way, everyone does this. 12:54.000 --> 12:59.000 You want to say, ah, you know, screw them and you just lash out at somebody. 12:59.000 --> 13:07.000 And having been a known figure for a long time, I've learned to deal with this. 13:07.000 --> 13:11.000 But it has gotten really, really intense, which means a couple things to me. 13:11.000 --> 13:15.000 The first one is we're doing something really good because people are taking notice. 13:15.000 --> 13:27.000 And they're questioning and they're coming up with a lot of conspiracy theories, literally, which is pretty funny to read through. 13:27.000 --> 13:37.000 But just so you know, when you say something in your podcast or write something on your weblog or something's written in an article or, you know, if you send an email, it does hurt. 13:37.000 --> 13:42.000 I mean, it really does, which is, which, of course, is my problem. I let things affect me. 13:42.000 --> 13:45.000 And of course, if someone writes something really nice, then it feels really good. 13:45.000 --> 13:50.000 But the frequency of that is just, it's, the frequency is going up. 13:50.000 --> 13:55.000 So the roller coaster is really, it's vibrating almost. 13:55.000 --> 14:02.000 And this is why you, I think, why you see celebrities, particularly new celebrities, people who burst onto the scene. 14:02.000 --> 14:15.000 They get the same thing and they get it predominantly from newspapers and magazines and entertainment tonight and all these entertainment based shows and stuff on the internet and pictures. 14:15.000 --> 14:18.000 That's why you see them freak out. 14:18.000 --> 14:19.000 You see them. 14:19.000 --> 14:23.000 I've rock rock roll stars used to trash hotel rooms. 14:23.000 --> 14:31.000 And I believe it is for this very reason for this, this, this, this weird clashing of universes and positivity and negativity vibrating amongst 14:31.000 --> 14:35.000 them all the time. It's, it's a very weird sensation. 14:35.000 --> 14:42.000 And as I said, I've been in the public eye since I was 19, I still have not gotten used to it. 14:42.000 --> 14:49.000 But it also has gotten progressively, the frequency has increased progressively over the years with the amount of communications that we have. 14:49.000 --> 14:55.000 And by the way, you know, let's not, let's not forget that only 10 years ago, no one knew what a fucking cell phone was almost. 14:55.000 --> 14:58.000 You know, this was a luxury item that maybe you had in your car. 14:58.000 --> 15:02.000 You got a card and a cell phone, you got a car phone, text messaging. 15:02.000 --> 15:05.000 All of these things combined. 15:05.000 --> 15:08.000 And yeah, I don't know. 15:08.000 --> 15:13.000 If you have any thoughts about that, I mean, it's, it's got to be something much larger. 15:13.000 --> 15:16.000 It is a part of human nature. I'm not quite sure what it is. 15:16.000 --> 15:20.000 And I don't take it, you know, well, I do take it personally, but I understand. 15:20.000 --> 15:23.000 I do understand where people are coming from. 15:24.000 --> 15:28.000 But I think that in general, everyone is a nice person. 15:28.000 --> 15:33.000 I think probably another part that. 15:33.000 --> 15:40.000 That had to do with my unrestfulness was my brain processing this fantastic book that I read called God's debris. 15:40.000 --> 15:43.000 It's written by Douglas Adams, who is the Gilbert guy. 15:43.000 --> 15:46.000 It's actually available for free on the internet. 15:46.000 --> 15:50.000 You can buy a hardbound copy, but he put it out basically in a kind of open source. 15:50.000 --> 15:55.000 Maybe, I don't know if he has creative commas on it, but it's, it's a fantastic book. 15:55.000 --> 16:00.000 It's short. It's a great read. Tom Schuiting, who maintains the fabulous Korean vaninkle archive. 16:00.000 --> 16:04.000 A big archive, a big part of my professional life sent me that. 16:04.000 --> 16:08.000 And I was just totally blown away by the concept in that book. 16:08.000 --> 16:11.000 And maybe that has something to do with. 16:11.000 --> 16:15.000 And I don't, I don't really want to get into explaining what the book is about. 16:15.000 --> 16:19.000 But maybe that is something to do with this reverberation of positive and negative energy. 16:19.000 --> 16:22.000 And perhaps we need the positive and negative energy. 16:22.000 --> 16:24.000 Maybe that's the, the great equalizer. 16:24.000 --> 16:26.000 Maybe it's something that's necessary. 16:26.000 --> 16:30.000 I don't know. And of course, there was also the foxes who were out in drove last night, 16:30.000 --> 16:32.000 rummaging through the trash. 16:32.000 --> 16:34.000 God, that makes so much noise. 16:34.000 --> 16:39.000 You're supposed to put your bags out in the morning, which we do. 16:39.000 --> 16:41.000 But someone put their trash out last night. 16:41.000 --> 16:46.000 And then the foxes who, of course, are coming closer to civilization every single day. 16:46.000 --> 16:49.000 So I'm going to go through the trash and make an all kinds of noise. 16:49.000 --> 16:51.000 But anyway, so I'm awake though. 16:51.000 --> 16:52.000 I'm feeling pretty good. 16:52.000 --> 16:58.000 I want to thank everybody, by the way, who's participating and contributing to the show notes. 16:58.000 --> 17:00.000 You can always find the show notes. 17:00.000 --> 17:05.000 I link to the show notes from from the podcast at dailysourcecode.com. 17:05.000 --> 17:11.000 It's great because people are now actually embellishing and coming up with their own words as to what's being discussed in the show. 17:11.000 --> 17:14.000 For instance, yesterday, 21 minutes, 55 seconds. 17:14.000 --> 17:18.000 Adam comments that the concept of touchscreen navigation is an odd concept for a pilot. 17:18.000 --> 17:21.000 Since as a pilot, you never touch your instruments. 17:21.000 --> 17:23.000 That would be your navigation instruments. 17:23.000 --> 17:25.000 Since you'll get oily residue on them. 17:25.000 --> 17:26.000 And then you can't read them at night. 17:26.000 --> 17:28.000 And you'd die in a fiery crash. 17:28.000 --> 17:30.000 So I obviously didn't add the fiery crash part. 17:30.000 --> 17:32.000 But that showed up in the show notes. 17:32.000 --> 17:33.000 That was a nice touch. 17:33.000 --> 17:34.000 Here's another one. 17:34.000 --> 17:37.000 So he's going to start the show in the parking lot outside of combat. 17:37.000 --> 17:40.000 And no, the cable he bought wasn't one of those packages. 17:40.000 --> 17:43.000 You can't open without a plasma torch. 17:43.000 --> 17:46.000 I think I said scissors, but I like the embellishment. 17:46.000 --> 17:47.000 It really works. 17:47.000 --> 17:51.000 And thanks again to everybody who was contributing to the show notes. 17:51.000 --> 17:52.000 I think it's a fantastic. 17:52.000 --> 17:54.000 You know, Michael show note. 17:54.000 --> 17:55.000 I'll call him that. 17:55.000 --> 17:56.000 Mike show note. 17:56.000 --> 18:03.000 I believe he's trying to start kind of a business or a service for podcasts. 18:03.000 --> 18:05.000 I support that holy fully. 18:05.000 --> 18:10.000 And I think it's fantastic using a wiki for show notes. 18:10.000 --> 18:11.000 I'm really, really digging it. 18:11.000 --> 18:14.000 A little dismayed actually. 18:14.000 --> 18:18.000 I saw once in a while I checked in on the wiki wiki pedia. 18:18.000 --> 18:21.000 And I look in podcasting. 18:21.000 --> 18:23.000 Dave and I have almost been written out. 18:23.000 --> 18:28.000 It's all these other people who have successfully created podcasting. 18:28.000 --> 18:30.000 And I congratulate you for doing that. 18:30.000 --> 18:31.000 Thank you very much. 18:32.000 --> 18:34.000 I had a great slow morning though. 18:34.000 --> 18:38.000 Oh, check out the Potio music rewind episode number 10 is out. 18:38.000 --> 18:40.000 Kick and ass as always. 18:40.000 --> 18:41.000 What a fantastic show. 18:41.000 --> 18:43.000 Give that a listen if you have a chance. 18:43.000 --> 18:44.000 Hey Adam. 18:44.000 --> 18:45.000 It's Swippy from Skepticality. 18:45.000 --> 18:46.000 Hey Swopster. 18:46.000 --> 18:49.000 I've been catching up on back shows sitting at a borders in downtown Atlanta. 18:49.000 --> 18:51.000 Sucking up the coffee and the Wi-Fi while there. 18:51.000 --> 18:53.000 Because it rehabbed during the day. 18:53.000 --> 18:56.000 And low and behold, I hear you talking about my buddy Slaw. 18:56.000 --> 18:58.000 And this new Christmas song. 18:58.000 --> 19:00.000 It just so happens that our friend, 19:00.000 --> 19:05.000 and musician George Rabb, just finished recording his fifth CD at Slaw's B Sharp Studios 19:05.000 --> 19:07.000 in Historia, New York. 19:07.000 --> 19:10.000 And to celebrate the release of the CD entitled, 19:10.000 --> 19:14.000 in Terabang, George held a concert at which Slaw appeared and also performed. 19:14.000 --> 19:16.000 Derek and I were supposed to be there. 19:16.000 --> 19:18.000 But since we couldn't make it, George sent us some pictures. 19:18.000 --> 19:20.000 One of it includes Slaw. 19:20.000 --> 19:22.000 I thought you might enjoy seeing it. 19:22.000 --> 19:24.000 George also plays drums on the Christmas song 19:24.000 --> 19:26.000 and contributed some backing vocals as well. 19:26.000 --> 19:28.000 George says he still gets traffic on his site 19:28.000 --> 19:31.000 and sails of his CDs from the podcast he did with us. 19:31.000 --> 19:33.000 And that was way back in the summer. 19:33.000 --> 19:35.000 So pot safe music is definitely good for artists. 19:35.000 --> 19:37.000 And it's good for podcasting too. 19:37.000 --> 19:40.000 Skepticality ended up in someone's liner notes. 19:40.000 --> 19:41.000 How cool is that? 19:41.000 --> 19:42.000 Yeah. 19:42.000 --> 19:43.000 See you Adam. 19:43.000 --> 19:44.000 All right, Swopie. 19:44.000 --> 19:45.000 Thank you. 19:45.000 --> 19:46.000 Say hi to Derek for me, please. 19:46.000 --> 19:48.000 Please hope everything's going well. 19:48.000 --> 19:50.000 And good to hear your voice again. 19:50.000 --> 19:52.000 Here on the Daily Source Code. 19:52.000 --> 19:54.000 So today I will finally get it done. 19:54.000 --> 19:56.000 Let's go to Xmas.podshow.com. 19:56.000 --> 19:59.000 Kicks off today so that by tomorrow the first of December 19:59.000 --> 20:02.000 you'll have a new Christmas song every day 20:02.000 --> 20:04.000 right on your computer. 20:04.000 --> 20:05.000 Hey Adam, this is Joe. 20:05.000 --> 20:06.000 This is sofa coaches. 20:06.000 --> 20:08.000 I wanted to send you a promo this week. 20:08.000 --> 20:10.000 But when I sat down with the other sofa coaches 20:10.000 --> 20:12.000 and tried to put together some ideas, 20:12.000 --> 20:13.000 things got a little out of control. 20:13.000 --> 20:15.000 Take a listen and see what happened. 20:15.000 --> 20:17.000 Do you think we should tell them it's only an hour long? 20:17.000 --> 20:18.000 Absolutely. 20:18.000 --> 20:20.000 Well, we go a little over an hour. 20:20.000 --> 20:21.000 Yeah. 20:21.000 --> 20:23.000 I mean, you can't say what how long we're going to do every time. 20:23.000 --> 20:25.000 Most of the time we shoot for 60 minutes. 20:25.000 --> 20:26.000 Absolutely. 20:26.000 --> 20:28.000 Yeah, but we always squeeze at least 10, 20:28.000 --> 20:30.000 15 minutes of going material into that hour. 20:30.000 --> 20:32.000 The most important thing they should know what a sofa coach 20:32.000 --> 20:33.000 actually is. 20:33.000 --> 20:35.000 I don't get it because we don't sit on a sofa 20:35.000 --> 20:36.000 and none of us are coaches. 20:36.000 --> 20:37.000 So what's the story here? 20:37.000 --> 20:38.000 Well, we are. 20:38.000 --> 20:39.000 We're slots that know everything. 20:39.000 --> 20:42.000 We're so precodious because we didn't know anything after the fact. 20:42.000 --> 20:44.000 Uh, we do know everything. 20:44.000 --> 20:45.000 That's a good point. 20:45.000 --> 20:46.000 Yeah. 20:46.000 --> 20:48.000 You know, another good point to bring up about the show 20:48.000 --> 20:49.000 is that it's audio only. 20:49.000 --> 20:50.000 And there's no video feed. 20:50.000 --> 20:52.000 So nobody has to worry about what the original is. 20:52.000 --> 20:53.000 Yeah. 20:53.000 --> 20:54.000 Yeah. 20:54.000 --> 20:55.000 Yeah. 20:55.000 --> 20:56.000 We don't have a shot. 20:56.000 --> 20:57.000 Then that's for sure. 20:57.000 --> 20:58.000 We all got faces for radio. 20:58.000 --> 20:59.000 Speak for yourself. 20:59.000 --> 21:01.000 By the way, is there any music on this show? 21:01.000 --> 21:04.000 Every once in a while, we play some pot-safe music. 21:04.000 --> 21:05.000 Yeah. 21:05.000 --> 21:06.000 But where do we do? 21:06.000 --> 21:07.000 Who cares about the music? 21:07.000 --> 21:08.000 We're sports shows. 21:08.000 --> 21:09.000 We're sports shows. 21:09.000 --> 21:10.000 We're sports shows. 21:10.000 --> 21:11.000 We're sports shows. 21:11.000 --> 21:12.000 We're sports shows. 21:12.000 --> 21:13.000 We're sports shows. 21:13.000 --> 21:15.000 We're sports shows. 21:15.000 --> 21:16.000 All there you have it at them. 21:16.000 --> 21:18.000 That's about how things go when we talk about sports, too. 21:18.000 --> 21:19.000 So be sure to tune in. 21:19.000 --> 21:21.000 You can find this in the iTunes music store. 21:21.000 --> 21:23.000 Just search for sofa coaches. 21:23.000 --> 21:25.000 Or you can go to our website. 21:25.000 --> 21:26.000 Listen. 21:26.000 --> 21:28.000 True is not false.com. 21:28.000 --> 21:30.000 Adam, please give us a little move. 21:30.000 --> 21:32.000 Pot show. 21:32.000 --> 21:36.000 No one does chicken like Pot show. 21:39.000 --> 21:40.000 Hey Adam. 21:40.000 --> 21:42.000 It's a long time listener of yours. 21:42.000 --> 21:44.000 I go back almost to the very beginning. 21:44.000 --> 21:49.000 I know how you occasionally become irritated with lawyers from time to time. 21:49.000 --> 21:50.000 Don't deny it. 21:50.000 --> 21:53.000 I know it's true and I don't blame you. 21:53.000 --> 21:54.000 It's a lawyer myself. 21:54.000 --> 21:57.000 I too become frustrated with lawyers from time to time. 21:57.000 --> 22:01.000 In fact, it's how I spend almost every single day. 22:01.000 --> 22:06.000 You can probably guess the way I've chosen to work out my frustrations with a legal profession. 22:06.000 --> 22:07.000 That's right. 22:07.000 --> 22:08.000 With a podcast. 22:08.000 --> 22:13.000 The legal underground podcast, which I started in January 2005. 22:13.000 --> 22:17.000 With a short test episode that you ended up playing in full on your show. 22:17.000 --> 22:18.000 Thanks for that. 22:19.000 --> 22:21.000 Now here we are almost a year later. 22:21.000 --> 22:27.000 And I thought it was a good time to check back in and say I'm still out here in the pot of sphere going strong. 22:27.000 --> 22:33.000 Our friends shows every week or two that are either short form called law-related things that suck. 22:33.000 --> 22:38.000 Or a slightly longer form in which I discuss legal news and a little politics. 22:38.000 --> 22:43.000 And in a reverent way that's probably going to have the lawyer police knocking on my door very soon. 22:43.000 --> 22:46.000 Your thing must lawyers wouldn't know a podcast from. 22:46.000 --> 22:47.000 I don't know. 22:47.000 --> 22:49.000 They're own cold hearts. 22:49.000 --> 22:52.000 So to conclude, it's the legal underground podcast. 22:52.000 --> 22:55.000 You'll find the feed at my weblog. 22:55.000 --> 23:01.000 Evan Shafers, legal underground at www.legalunderground.com. 23:01.000 --> 23:07.000 Meanwhile, Adam, keep up the great work at the pod safe music network and all your other various projects. 23:07.000 --> 23:12.000 You know, with all you've got going on, you're a walking full-time employment act for lawyers. 23:12.000 --> 23:15.000 Would it be wrong of me to thank you from the entire profession? 23:15.000 --> 23:17.000 Well, thank you, Adam. 23:17.000 --> 23:21.000 And if you listen to my show, thanks for tuning in. 23:21.000 --> 23:24.000 Adam Curry Rocks. 23:24.000 --> 23:28.000 Well, actually, in Brazil, Adam Curry Sambas. 23:28.000 --> 23:29.000 Easy. 23:29.000 --> 23:34.000 All castors are connected to the daily source code source code. 23:34.000 --> 23:36.000 I so want to go to Brazil. 23:36.000 --> 23:37.000 It's not funny. 23:38.000 --> 23:42.000 I've been to a lot of countries, a lot of continents, a lot of places. 23:42.000 --> 23:44.000 I've been very, very fortunate that way. 23:44.000 --> 23:45.000 Never to South America, though. 23:45.000 --> 23:47.000 I definitely want to come to Brazil. 23:47.000 --> 23:50.000 So that is in the medium-term planning. 23:50.000 --> 23:54.000 And I know that there's a huge podcast community cropping up there. 23:54.000 --> 23:56.000 I'd love to learn more about it. 23:56.000 --> 23:58.000 So how do you, Brazil? 23:58.000 --> 23:59.000 How are you doing? 23:59.000 --> 24:00.000 Comersta. 24:00.000 --> 24:03.000 Yeah. 24:03.000 --> 24:06.000 I used to know some Portuguese, which is what they speak in Brazil. 24:06.000 --> 24:09.000 No more. 24:09.000 --> 24:12.000 Hey, for those of you who are new to the daily source code, 24:12.000 --> 24:15.000 you may have heard of the sound-vertising experiment. 24:15.000 --> 24:20.000 This is where I anchor your thoughts to a certain sound 24:20.000 --> 24:23.000 or visual and anchor a thought to it. 24:23.000 --> 24:26.000 So what actually started off kind of as an accident, 24:26.000 --> 24:29.000 every single time I burped. 24:29.000 --> 24:33.000 Senseiho would come into your mind. 24:33.000 --> 24:37.000 Then we moved on to another trick, which I'll do it right now, 24:37.000 --> 24:38.000 just in case your brand knew. 24:38.000 --> 24:41.000 If you already know what I'm about to do, then close your eyes and 24:41.000 --> 24:43.000 I don't think it'll work either. 24:43.000 --> 24:46.000 Whatever you're doing right now, look at a point where you are. 24:46.000 --> 24:49.000 It's maybe a house, maybe a tree, maybe a sign. 24:49.000 --> 24:51.000 It could be the current front of you. 24:51.000 --> 24:52.000 It could be a person. 24:52.000 --> 24:55.000 Now look at that object, Senseiho. 24:55.000 --> 24:58.000 So the concept is, whenever you see that object, 24:58.000 --> 25:00.000 in fact whenever you even think of that object, 25:00.000 --> 25:03.000 you'll think of Senseiho. 25:03.000 --> 25:04.000 It works. 25:04.000 --> 25:08.000 I think everyone who was participated in this willingly or unwillingly 25:08.000 --> 25:12.000 knows that this sound-vertising, this anchoring, this Vulcan mind trick, 25:12.000 --> 25:13.000 actually does work. 25:13.000 --> 25:17.000 But it has no real benefit, particularly not to me in the Senseiho case 25:17.000 --> 25:20.000 because Senseiho is not paying me for that. 25:20.000 --> 25:22.000 Now of course I don't mind doing the experiment, 25:22.000 --> 25:27.000 but today I received an email that completely twisted my mind 25:28.000 --> 25:32.000 backwards about this and I really love this. 25:32.000 --> 25:34.000 I can't believe I didn't come up with this. 25:34.000 --> 25:36.000 So this is from Mark Zeta who says, 25:36.000 --> 25:39.000 Hey Adam, Senseiho ads are airing here in Australia as well. 25:39.000 --> 25:42.000 So Senseiho now is kicking up their advertising. 25:42.000 --> 25:43.000 They're kicking it up. 25:43.000 --> 25:45.000 It's in the UK, it's in the US. 25:45.000 --> 25:47.000 It's of course the Netherlands where it comes from. 25:47.000 --> 25:49.000 It's in Australia. 25:49.000 --> 25:52.000 And Mark says, when I saw it, the first thing I thought of 25:52.000 --> 25:54.000 was the Daily Source Code. 25:54.000 --> 25:57.000 I was expecting either character in the ad to do your trademarks 25:57.000 --> 25:58.000 and say, oh, burp. 25:58.000 --> 26:00.000 I think the sound-vertising could go a long way. 26:00.000 --> 26:01.000 Thanks for your show. 26:01.000 --> 26:02.000 I'm loving every episode of it. 26:02.000 --> 26:03.000 Mark, okay. 26:03.000 --> 26:04.000 So all of a sudden like, 26:04.000 --> 26:07.000 No, this is fantastic. 26:07.000 --> 26:08.000 This is it. 26:08.000 --> 26:11.000 I am now utilizing the ad budget of Senseiho 26:11.000 --> 26:13.000 to promote the Daily Source Code. 26:13.000 --> 26:15.000 How freaking cool is that? 26:15.000 --> 26:19.000 And the cool thing is everybody can do it. 26:19.000 --> 26:23.000 So pick a product or pick a service or something 26:23.000 --> 26:27.000 that's being advertised very, very heavily on television and radio. 26:27.000 --> 26:29.000 Anchor your listeners to it. 26:29.000 --> 26:31.000 And then every single time they hear or see that 26:31.000 --> 26:33.000 advertisement, they won't be able to help themselves 26:33.000 --> 26:37.000 but think about your podcast. 26:37.000 --> 26:39.000 How cool is that? 26:39.000 --> 26:41.000 Tell me if it works. 26:41.000 --> 26:43.000 Happy freaking holidays Senseiho. 26:43.000 --> 26:45.000 This is Natalie Brown, 26:45.000 --> 26:49.000 wishing the Daily Source Code listeners a safe and happy holiday season. 26:49.000 --> 26:51.000 This is Chris from the Financial Aid podcast. 26:51.000 --> 26:55.000 Wishing you a safe, happy, and financially responsible holiday season. 26:55.000 --> 26:57.000 This is us online at financialadpodcast.com 26:57.000 --> 26:59.000 for money saving tips this season. 26:59.000 --> 27:01.000 Happy holidays, everyone. 27:01.000 --> 27:03.000 So by tomorrow, make sure that 27:03.000 --> 27:05.000 a special greeting from the Go and Deep podcast 27:05.000 --> 27:08.000 I'm the kid along with Mr. Clean. 27:08.000 --> 27:12.000 And we'd like to wish you and yours a very happy holiday. 27:12.000 --> 27:14.000 Oh, no, no, man. You can't say happy holidays. 27:14.000 --> 27:16.000 Why not? Why can't I say holidays? 27:16.000 --> 27:18.000 Because it's happy, camel to days. 27:18.000 --> 27:19.000 Yes, that's right. 27:19.000 --> 27:20.000 We can't say Christmas. 27:20.000 --> 27:21.000 We can't say holidays. 27:21.000 --> 27:22.000 We can't say how to go. 27:22.000 --> 27:23.000 We can't say quansica. 27:23.000 --> 27:24.000 We've changed it to happy camel to a day. 27:24.000 --> 27:26.000 And we hope everybody has a happy camel to a day. 27:26.000 --> 27:27.000 To you and yours. 27:27.000 --> 27:29.000 From Go and Deep with Get in Clean. 27:29.000 --> 27:34.000 Visit the website at www.godeepwith.us. 27:34.000 --> 27:36.000 And have a happy new year. 27:36.000 --> 27:38.000 Yeah, man. 27:38.000 --> 27:40.000 New snow angels rock. 27:40.000 --> 27:45.000 So by tomorrow, make sure you subscribe to the feed at xmus.podshow.com. 27:45.000 --> 27:50.000 So that every single day will be a happy camel to a day for you. 27:50.000 --> 27:54.000 For the pod save music network, this is Carmen Tyler. 27:54.000 --> 27:55.000 Pick this one up from accident hash. 27:55.000 --> 27:58.000 I'll be there on camel to a day. 27:58.750 --> 32:20.000 [ Music ] 32:20.000 --> 32:24.000 Oh Christmas day. 32:24.000 --> 32:25.000 Is it possible? 32:25.000 --> 32:27.000 I'm falling in love again. 32:27.000 --> 32:28.000 Carmen Tyler. 32:28.000 --> 32:30.000 What a beautiful voice. 32:30.000 --> 32:31.000 I'll be there in Christmas day. 32:31.000 --> 32:35.000 And my apologies for the pilot error midstream there. 32:35.000 --> 32:37.000 But we landed safely. 32:37.000 --> 32:40.000 We walked away from the airplanes and that constitutes a good landing. 32:40.000 --> 32:42.000 Apologize. 32:42.000 --> 32:43.000 Hey, speaking. 32:43.000 --> 32:45.000 Of course, it's from the podcast music network. 32:45.000 --> 32:47.000 Potset music. 32:47.000 --> 32:49.000 Yep, not best. 32:49.000 --> 32:52.000 The podcast music network. 32:52.000 --> 32:56.000 The podcast music network dot com. 32:56.000 --> 32:59.000 Mike O'Leary sent a wonderful email. 32:59.000 --> 33:02.000 Adam, I was checking out clips of the songs on the candy butcher's album. 33:02.000 --> 33:03.000 Hang on. 33:03.000 --> 33:08.000 Mike in iTunes in the music store after hearing what to do with Michael on your podcast. 33:08.000 --> 33:09.000 Love the song. 33:09.000 --> 33:14.000 Anyway, in the top right corner is a list that says listeners also bought. 33:14.000 --> 33:16.000 That's the recommendation engine. 33:16.000 --> 33:21.000 Look at what's listed and see the power that DSE has to persuade and influence not only one, 33:21.000 --> 33:23.000 but a multitude of musical talents. 33:23.000 --> 33:29.000 Brother love and the list of these bitties are listed right there with the candy butchers in one swoop. 33:29.000 --> 33:35.000 So the question I have now is when does the Adam Craig recommends playlists go up on the iTunes page? 33:35.000 --> 33:37.000 That's interesting idea. 33:37.000 --> 33:39.000 Actually it's a damn good idea. 33:39.000 --> 33:41.000 Hey, let's call the iTunes guys about that. 33:41.000 --> 33:43.000 But that is proof. 33:43.000 --> 33:45.000 That is absolutely proof. 33:45.000 --> 33:50.000 So listening to a podcast music on the podcast actually creates sales. 33:50.000 --> 33:52.000 Gee, what a concept. 33:52.000 --> 33:53.000 I love it. 33:53.000 --> 33:55.000 Time to wrap up the, 33:55.000 --> 34:00.000 Emma the Logitech MM50 naming contest that we'd be doing for the last week or so. 34:00.000 --> 34:01.000 Let me see. 34:01.000 --> 34:04.000 First one is an audio contest. 34:04.000 --> 34:07.000 So Adam Jason San Diego. 34:07.000 --> 34:13.000 You said you wanted audio comments on the same MM50 instead of the emails. 34:13.000 --> 34:17.000 So I'm going to stop writing you the 10 or 15 a day that I've been sending you. 34:17.000 --> 34:19.000 Hope you need read them on the air. 34:19.000 --> 34:24.000 So I'm going to just give you some ideas I've been thinking about bouncing up the wall. 34:24.000 --> 34:25.000 See what sticks. 34:25.000 --> 34:27.000 You know, playing that little game. 34:27.000 --> 34:30.000 MM50. 34:30.000 --> 34:32.000 Let's see. 34:32.000 --> 34:34.000 Music maker. 34:34.000 --> 34:36.000 Music box. 34:36.000 --> 34:37.000 Music. 34:37.000 --> 34:39.000 Music with two ends. 34:39.000 --> 34:41.000 How about the, 34:41.000 --> 34:43.000 My personal favorite. 34:43.000 --> 34:47.000 The eye match with two ends. 34:47.000 --> 34:52.000 So it's image not to be confused with eye match. 34:52.000 --> 34:57.000 Or we could just call it the 501. 34:57.000 --> 34:58.000 Any of you. 34:58.000 --> 34:59.000 Give me a call. 34:59.000 --> 35:01.000 We'll do lunch. 35:01.000 --> 35:02.000 Yeah. 35:02.000 --> 35:03.000 Call my people. 35:03.000 --> 35:04.000 Okay. 35:04.000 --> 35:05.000 Well, yeah. 35:05.000 --> 35:06.000 Thank you for the feedback. 35:06.000 --> 35:10.000 No, I think the winner and it was really close because I really like the port of 35:10.000 --> 35:11.000 Potty, the port iPod. 35:11.000 --> 35:14.000 I thought that was good, but it may not be. 35:14.000 --> 35:15.000 I don't know. 35:15.000 --> 35:19.000 It's a great name, but maybe not quite as commercial because there already is a port of 35:19.000 --> 35:21.000 Potty, and that could create all kinds of problems. 35:21.000 --> 35:25.000 But I think Greg Milligan sent in a really good one. 35:25.000 --> 35:30.000 Greg is from Coventry, which I, yeah, presumed to be the UK. 35:30.000 --> 35:31.000 Yeah, Coventry. 35:31.000 --> 35:36.000 And he says, perhaps the MM50 should be referred to as the sound slab. 35:36.000 --> 35:37.000 I like that. 35:37.000 --> 35:38.000 The sound slab. 35:38.000 --> 35:42.000 That sounds, that's nothing to do with MM50, but I do like it is. 35:42.000 --> 35:43.000 It's a slab of sound. 35:43.000 --> 35:45.000 So Greg, congratulations. 35:45.000 --> 35:47.000 Send me your address. 35:47.000 --> 35:49.000 I will send you an MM50. 35:49.000 --> 35:52.000 It might even be my personal one. 35:52.000 --> 35:54.000 I hope we have another one left. 35:54.000 --> 35:57.000 Everyone like walked off with these, the minute they were in the office. 35:57.000 --> 35:58.000 Okay. 35:58.000 --> 36:03.000 What you heard briefly during Carmen Tyler's wonderful Christmas song was some feedback, 36:03.000 --> 36:04.000 which is very long. 36:04.000 --> 36:06.000 I'm not going to play all of it from Eric. 36:06.000 --> 36:08.000 And he has something interesting to say. 36:08.000 --> 36:10.000 It's about feed, hijacking. 36:11.000 --> 36:18.000 So if you're a podcast or if you have an RSS feed at all, pay attention to what he's saying here. 36:18.000 --> 36:22.000 And I'll interject here and there and I don't think I'll get to the whole thing. 36:22.000 --> 36:24.000 But listen to what he says about feed, hijacking. 36:24.000 --> 36:25.000 Hi Adam. 36:25.000 --> 36:27.000 Thank you for having me on the show. 36:27.000 --> 36:37.000 I really appreciate getting the chance to talk to some of your listeners about what I regard as a tremendous threat to the whole podcasting infrastructure. 36:37.000 --> 36:45.000 My name is Eric Marcus and for a bit more than a year now, I've been doing my podcast Eric Steiner. 36:45.000 --> 36:49.000 At the time that I started, there were fewer than 50 podcasts available. 36:49.000 --> 36:55.000 And my show was not only the first one to tackle the subjects of veganism and animal rights. 36:55.000 --> 37:00.000 It was also the first podcast to talk about food, recipes and cooking. 37:00.000 --> 37:05.000 Now, over the past year, Eric Steiner has grown steadily more popular. 37:05.000 --> 37:09.000 When I started out, each show drew only about 100 listeners. 37:09.000 --> 37:14.000 But by last month, my audience had grown to about 1,500 people per show. 37:14.000 --> 37:18.000 Now, this is not a Howard Stern sized audience clearly. 37:18.000 --> 37:20.000 It's not even a dawn and drew type audience. 37:20.000 --> 37:23.000 But Eric Steiner does appeal to a niche audience. 37:23.000 --> 37:27.000 And I think that if I can do a show that reaches more than 1,000 people, 37:27.000 --> 37:33.000 interested in vegan eating and farm animal protection, that's a fantastic use of my time. 37:33.000 --> 37:35.000 Oh, by the way, I just want to interject. 37:35.000 --> 37:40.000 I think if you have more than 1,000 that you can probably start to make money on that if you're interested. 37:40.000 --> 37:45.000 People have emailed me to tell me they've become vegan as a direct result of listening to my show. 37:45.000 --> 37:49.000 I even had one guy right and tell me he bought an iPod specifically, 37:49.000 --> 37:53.000 so he could listen to my show during his drive to work. 37:53.000 --> 37:58.000 This past month with my audience creeping up toward 2,000 listeners per show, 37:58.000 --> 38:01.000 I thought I was ideally positioned for further growth. 38:01.000 --> 38:05.000 I figured that if I kept working hard to produce a quality show, 38:05.000 --> 38:08.000 5,000 listeners was just around the corner. 38:08.000 --> 38:13.000 Instead, everything I spent this past year working on has suddenly collapsed. 38:13.000 --> 38:18.000 My RSS feed has been hijacked by someone I've never met or even heard of, 38:18.000 --> 38:23.000 and every single one of my subscribers through iTunes has been cut off. 38:23.000 --> 38:29.000 In consequence, my audience has dropped overnight by 75%. 38:29.000 --> 38:32.000 Now, a lot of people know what domain hijacking is, 38:32.000 --> 38:38.000 but even as a podcaster, I'd never heard of RSS hijacking until it happened to me. 38:38.000 --> 38:45.000 As I'm about to explain, RSS hijacking involves a different and much simpler technique than domain hijacking. 38:45.000 --> 38:49.000 See, not only is RSS hijacking easy to do, 38:49.000 --> 38:57.000 it also doesn't involve the overacts of law breaking that usually need to occur in order to hijack a domain. 38:58.000 --> 39:05.000 I personally regard RSS hijacking as the greatest threat that the podcaster community has encountered to date. 39:05.000 --> 39:10.000 So let me explain how I discovered that my podcast feed was hijacked, 39:10.000 --> 39:14.000 and why I think RSS hijacking is so insidious. 39:14.000 --> 39:23.000 A couple of months ago, I read on slash dot that Yahoo had released a new podcast search engine at podcast.yahoo.com. 39:23.000 --> 39:28.000 I went to that site and was pleased to see that Eric Steiner already had a listing. 39:28.000 --> 39:36.000 But on this listing, I noticed that the RSS feed listed for my show was not hosted by my website vegan.com, 39:36.000 --> 39:43.000 but instead was hosted by some website I'd never even heard of called podkeyword.com. 39:43.000 --> 39:46.000 Now, what happened was obvious. 39:46.000 --> 39:53.000 And random guy up there owning the podkeyword.com domain had created an RSS feed on his site 39:53.000 --> 39:56.000 and pointed it to my RSS feed. 39:56.000 --> 40:01.000 And somehow Yahoo had picked up his RSS feed instead of my own 40:01.000 --> 40:06.000 and inserted it into its directory listing for my show. 40:06.000 --> 40:10.000 Now, I'm not the most technically savvy person you'll ever meet, 40:10.000 --> 40:13.000 but I could immediately recognize the danger here. 40:13.000 --> 40:20.000 Over time, more and more Yahoo users would subscribe to my show using an RSS feed that belonged not to me, 40:20.000 --> 40:22.000 but to a third party. 40:22.000 --> 40:27.000 Now, I'm from New York and perhaps overly suspicious about people's motives, 40:27.000 --> 40:32.000 but I could see it at glance that this feed hijacking had extortion written all over it. 40:32.000 --> 40:38.000 In getting his URL for my podcast, carried by Yahoo's directory, 40:38.000 --> 40:46.000 the owner of podkeyword.com was establishing himself as the gatekeeper who could control all traffic to my show 40:46.000 --> 40:49.000 from listeners who were subscribed through Yahoo. 40:49.000 --> 40:52.000 Now, this is really interesting. 40:52.000 --> 40:53.000 This is rampant. 40:53.000 --> 40:55.000 This is happening all over the place. 40:55.000 --> 41:06.000 If you register with audio, if you register with any multitude of directories, 41:06.000 --> 41:10.000 perhaps it is even true with podcast, Ali. 41:10.000 --> 41:11.000 I'm not sure. 41:11.000 --> 41:13.000 We'll have to look at that. 41:13.000 --> 41:17.000 You know, this claim your feed shit that I see everywhere, where you claim your feed, 41:17.000 --> 41:21.000 so then you get a new feed, like an audio feed. 41:21.000 --> 41:23.000 These are where this is where it goes wrong, 41:23.000 --> 41:30.000 is that these things get exactly what happened to Eric here is that that feed got sucked in by Yahoo 41:30.000 --> 41:32.000 and Yahoo for all intents and purposes today. 41:32.000 --> 41:33.000 That's my feed. 41:33.000 --> 41:35.000 You know, that's the right feed, no problem. 41:35.000 --> 41:38.000 I don't think there's any malicious intent here, but it is a problem. 41:38.000 --> 41:41.000 This, by the way, is the same thing that feed burner does. 41:41.000 --> 41:43.000 You know, yes, feed burner is great. 41:43.000 --> 41:45.000 Feed burner has a lot of benefits. 41:45.000 --> 41:51.000 It's very easy to use, but if feed burner crops out, if feed burner decides whatever they decide, 41:51.000 --> 41:56.000 they effectively, you know, have control over your RSS feed. 41:56.000 --> 41:58.000 iTunes does the exact same thing. 41:58.000 --> 42:03.000 Ladies and gentlemen, they also, in effect, hijack your feed and then they create their own special feed, 42:03.000 --> 42:07.000 so you have to keep coming back to them and you don't get it directly from the source. 42:07.000 --> 42:09.000 And we all know what the issues are there. 42:09.000 --> 42:16.000 If iTunes messes up, well, caching your RSS feed, then your podcast doesn't download for, 42:16.000 --> 42:18.000 sometimes for four hours. 42:18.000 --> 42:21.000 So this is not the way to do it, and I think that we've known this, 42:21.000 --> 42:23.000 the people in the RSS space have known this. 42:23.000 --> 42:25.000 It's a bad way to do things. 42:25.000 --> 42:31.000 The best way to do this is to register a domain name. 42:31.000 --> 42:34.000 A domain name that you can then point anywhere you want. 42:34.000 --> 42:36.000 So you should be able to put in a redirect. 42:36.000 --> 42:42.000 So it would be atomspodcast.com slash RSS.xml, 42:42.000 --> 42:45.000 and you should be able to redirect that anywhere you want, 42:45.000 --> 42:50.000 so that if you wake up one morning and decide that you're not happy with, 42:50.000 --> 42:54.000 with your infrastructure, all you have to do is just change a couple of parameters, 42:54.000 --> 42:56.000 and everyone will stay subscribed. 42:56.000 --> 42:59.000 You've really got to look into getting a domain name. 42:59.000 --> 43:00.000 You don't take that lightly. 43:00.000 --> 43:03.000 It's very, very, very important. 43:03.000 --> 43:05.000 Erick's comment goes on for another four or five minutes, 43:05.000 --> 43:08.000 but I think it's very clear what's happening here. 43:08.000 --> 43:16.000 And I suggest that you look at getting a domain name, 43:16.000 --> 43:20.000 and redirecting to the infrastructure that you're using. 43:20.000 --> 43:24.000 And of course, when the pod show podcast delivery network comes out, 43:24.000 --> 43:26.000 we'll have those options built right in for. 43:26.000 --> 43:28.000 Hi Adam, this is James from JamesB.com. 43:28.000 --> 43:31.000 Here in Utah, in the US, we have a slightly different vernacular 43:31.000 --> 43:33.000 to express ourselves when we're mad, 43:33.000 --> 43:35.000 allowing me to demonstrate. 43:35.000 --> 43:38.000 I'm mad as heck, and I want to quit my fetching day job. 43:38.000 --> 43:40.000 I'm bored out of my freaking skull with it. 43:40.000 --> 43:41.000 Dang! 43:41.000 --> 43:44.000 What the flip do I have to do, gosh darn it? 43:44.000 --> 43:47.000 Oh boy, if my mother could hear me now. 43:47.000 --> 43:50.000 If you thought of Napoleon Dynamite when you heard that, 43:50.000 --> 43:54.000 let me state for the record that my mother was from the west side of Prestonite home. 43:54.000 --> 43:56.000 So Adam, don't forget about us, poor Utah fellows, 43:56.000 --> 43:58.000 that never learned how to properly work blue. 43:58.000 --> 44:01.000 This is James from JamesB.com, Navalcast, 44:01.000 --> 44:04.000 and my new podcast, face the music, saying, 44:04.000 --> 44:07.000 God, I can't wait to quit my day job. 44:07.000 --> 44:09.000 Hey there, my name's Krantz. 44:09.000 --> 44:11.000 You can find me at a couple of different places, 44:11.000 --> 44:14.000 namely, frikogonvenus.com. 44:14.000 --> 44:19.000 The Sunday fun message that was downloaded 44:19.000 --> 44:23.000 into my ears on Sunday, 44:24.000 --> 44:26.000 had me rolling. 44:26.000 --> 44:29.000 But it is also very, very true. 44:29.000 --> 44:32.000 The reason I spend most of my time listening to podcasts 44:32.000 --> 44:35.000 and ignoring the radio, 44:35.000 --> 44:37.000 and even television really, 44:37.000 --> 44:40.000 is because it's a bunch of shit. 44:40.000 --> 44:42.000 I'm tired of hearing the same song every two hours, 44:42.000 --> 44:44.000 I'm tired of, and I am mad. 44:44.000 --> 44:46.000 I am mad. 44:46.000 --> 44:48.000 I'm a human being Goddamn, 44:48.000 --> 44:50.000 and in my life has value, 44:50.000 --> 44:51.000 and I'm mad as hell! 44:51.000 --> 44:53.000 And I want to quit my day job! 44:53.000 --> 44:55.000 I'm mad as hell, 44:55.000 --> 44:57.000 and I want to quit my day job when I quit. 44:57.000 --> 45:00.000 We all know the atomic bomb is very dangerous. 45:00.000 --> 45:04.000 Now, we must be ready for a new danger. 45:04.000 --> 45:09.000 Hey, I'm Jack Elias from the Get Jack podcast. 45:09.000 --> 45:11.000 Get Jack.Honomus.com, 45:11.000 --> 45:14.000 and I'll spell it out for medically in a minute. 45:14.000 --> 45:18.000 Um, God, you know, you're teasing us now. 45:18.000 --> 45:21.000 And we want to quit our jobs. 45:21.000 --> 45:23.000 Some of us actually, 45:23.000 --> 45:26.000 my wife says that I need to keep working at my job 45:26.000 --> 45:29.000 until such time that this pays more. 45:29.000 --> 45:30.000 Which is fine. 45:30.000 --> 45:32.000 I totally agree with that, 45:32.000 --> 45:34.000 but hey, you know, 45:34.000 --> 45:35.000 I care it. 45:35.000 --> 45:37.000 A tidbit, a taste. 45:37.000 --> 45:38.000 I hint. 45:38.000 --> 45:39.000 Something. 45:39.000 --> 45:40.000 Please? 45:40.000 --> 45:43.000 Get Jack.Honomus.com 45:43.000 --> 45:45.000 That's hotel alpha, 45:46.000 --> 45:47.000 alpha, 45:47.000 --> 45:48.000 alpha, 45:48.000 --> 45:49.000 Sierra, 45:49.000 --> 45:50.000 dot com. 45:50.000 --> 45:52.000 Kind of like Christmas and on, 45:52.000 --> 45:54.000 I got all rolled into one. 45:54.000 --> 45:56.000 Konnichiwa, Adam Curryson. 45:56.000 --> 45:58.000 I'm Terrence Young from the Kobe beef show 45:58.000 --> 46:02.000 at www.cobey-beef.blogspot.com. 46:02.000 --> 46:04.000 Since the music industry won't let us have 46:04.000 --> 46:06.000 our hit test and backtracks podcasts, 46:06.000 --> 46:08.000 how about a quiz using material 46:08.000 --> 46:11.000 they can't control the Japanese language? 46:11.000 --> 46:13.000 I know you know you're Dutch, 46:13.000 --> 46:15.000 but how's your Japanese, Adam? 46:15.000 --> 46:16.000 A while back, 46:16.000 --> 46:17.000 I sent you a promo, 46:17.000 --> 46:19.000 which featured the word Botakuni, 46:19.000 --> 46:21.000 which means Ribbon. 46:21.000 --> 46:22.000 I hope you remember. 46:22.000 --> 46:23.000 Yeah. 46:23.000 --> 46:24.000 They agree at least. 46:24.000 --> 46:26.000 Now it's time to learn some new words. 46:26.000 --> 46:27.000 The game is simple. 46:27.000 --> 46:28.000 My trustee, 46:28.000 --> 46:30.000 imaginary cow sidekick, 46:30.000 --> 46:31.000 Teibontaro, 46:31.000 --> 46:33.000 will give you a practical Japanese word. 46:33.000 --> 46:35.000 Three answers to choose from, 46:35.000 --> 46:37.000 and you guess the answer. 46:37.000 --> 46:39.000 Take it away, Teibong. 46:41.000 --> 46:42.000 It's... 46:43.000 --> 46:45.000 Let's guess Japanese. 46:45.000 --> 46:46.000 Hi. 46:46.000 --> 46:47.000 Today word, 46:47.000 --> 46:48.000 Kurija. 46:48.000 --> 46:50.000 Kurija is... 46:50.000 --> 46:51.000 A. 46:51.000 --> 46:54.000 Rare Japanese glam found in the Japan Sea. 46:56.000 --> 46:57.000 B. 46:57.000 --> 47:00.000 City on Southern Island of Kyushu. 47:01.000 --> 47:02.000 C. 47:02.000 --> 47:04.000 Nickname for Love button. 47:04.000 --> 47:08.000 Found in another region of every woman. 47:09.000 --> 47:12.000 I'm going to go for sea. 47:12.000 --> 47:14.000 I'm not bad. 47:14.000 --> 47:16.000 I know that hard one. 47:16.000 --> 47:18.000 But I hope you guess right. 47:18.000 --> 47:20.000 I hope you guess sea. 47:20.000 --> 47:21.000 I'm going to go for love button. 47:21.000 --> 47:22.000 Yes. 47:22.000 --> 47:24.000 Kurija is Japanese slang. 47:24.000 --> 47:25.000 Floor Clitoris. 47:25.000 --> 47:27.000 Kuriya is shockening of work. 47:27.000 --> 47:28.000 Kitoris. 47:28.000 --> 47:29.000 Browns. 47:29.000 --> 47:30.000 Kuri, Dori, Su. 47:30.000 --> 47:31.000 In Japanese. 47:31.000 --> 47:33.000 And John is invomer ending. 47:33.000 --> 47:35.000 Usually added to people name. 47:36.000 --> 47:37.000 So next time, 47:37.000 --> 47:39.000 you are love snorkeling with Patricia. 47:39.000 --> 47:41.000 You got affectionately caught her. 47:41.000 --> 47:42.000 Love button. 47:42.000 --> 47:43.000 Kurija. 47:43.000 --> 47:44.000 Kurija. 47:44.000 --> 47:45.000 You try now add-on. 47:45.000 --> 47:46.000 Kurija. 47:46.000 --> 47:47.000 Kurija. 47:47.000 --> 47:48.000 Kurija. 47:48.000 --> 47:49.000 Yeah. 47:49.000 --> 47:50.000 Very good. 47:50.000 --> 47:51.000 Hope you enjoyed that add-on. 47:51.000 --> 47:54.000 I know it's nowhere near as polished as the hit test. 47:54.000 --> 47:56.000 But I hope at least you got a chuckle. 47:56.000 --> 47:57.000 And a new word to use with Patricia. 47:57.000 --> 47:58.000 Kurija. 47:58.000 --> 47:59.000 A regular new hongo time lessons. 47:59.000 --> 48:01.000 And my rants about life in Japan. 48:01.000 --> 48:03.000 Please check out the Kobe beef show. 48:03.000 --> 48:08.000 At www.kobei-beef.blogspot.com. 48:08.000 --> 48:10.000 Also, Dear Pod Showgun. 48:10.000 --> 48:12.000 Tibon and I are definitely excited about the audition 48:12.000 --> 48:14.000 and getting hooked up with the Pod Show. 48:14.000 --> 48:16.000 So we'll be back soon. 48:16.000 --> 48:17.000 With another additional. 48:17.000 --> 48:19.000 What is it, Tibon? 48:19.000 --> 48:20.000 Nyongo quiz time. 48:20.000 --> 48:21.000 Kurija. 48:21.000 --> 48:22.000 That's right. 48:22.000 --> 48:23.000 All right. 48:23.000 --> 48:24.000 See you again. 48:24.000 --> 48:25.000 Mata ne. 48:25.000 --> 48:26.000 All right. 48:26.000 --> 48:27.000 Bye bye. 48:27.000 --> 48:28.000 All right. 48:28.000 --> 48:30.000 And I'll see you guys tomorrow right here on the source code. 48:30.000 --> 48:31.000 Bye.