WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:04.000 Delta Sierra Charlie 3-4-4 00:04.000 --> 00:08.000 $16 million worth of airplane strapped to my ass 00:08.000 --> 00:12.000 In the next generation radio content in my ears 00:14.000 --> 00:16.000 I like to think I'm flying into the future 00:21.250 --> 04:51.250 [ Music ] 04:53.000 --> 04:55.000 Mother nature of Merid Jane 04:55.000 --> 04:57.000 What have you done 04:57.000 --> 04:59.000 The Court of Breetingers 04:59.000 --> 05:03.000 Val Davis from the plain情 es Nietzsche 05:03.000 --> 05:05.000 object 05:05.000 --> 05:07.000 I'm music.podshow.com. 05:07.000 --> 05:08.000 Hey, everybody, how you doing? 05:08.000 --> 05:10.000 It's Wednesday, halfway through the week back 05:10.000 --> 05:14.000 at the cottage in Gilford, the affluent suburb of Surrey 05:14.000 --> 05:15.000 in the United Kingdom. 05:15.000 --> 05:17.000 It's a beautiful day today. 05:17.000 --> 05:20.000 It is very, very cold, but it's one of those days where 05:20.000 --> 05:23.000 you can see for miles and miles and miles, the sun is shining. 05:23.000 --> 05:27.000 There's a little bit of wind, which would actually be beautiful 05:27.000 --> 05:28.000 for flying today. 05:28.000 --> 05:29.000 Wouldn't it? 05:29.000 --> 05:30.000 I got to call the wind commander. 05:30.000 --> 05:34.000 See, when I can pick up the delta-share, delta-share. 05:34.000 --> 05:37.000 So, boy, I'm pretty wrecked. 05:37.000 --> 05:38.000 I'm tired. 05:38.000 --> 05:40.000 It's been a lot of travel in the past a few weeks. 05:40.000 --> 05:42.000 And now, finally, I have a good stretch where I just 05:42.000 --> 05:44.000 get to sit here with the girls. 05:44.000 --> 05:47.000 That stretch will last for about 11 days, then 05:47.000 --> 05:49.000 it's back on the road, more about that in a bit. 05:49.000 --> 05:54.000 And yesterday, of course, the big lawsuit held at the court 05:54.000 --> 05:57.000 in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, 05:57.000 --> 06:00.000 plaintiffs, being myself, my wife and my daughter, 06:00.000 --> 06:04.000 against the Outdox Publishing Corporation, 06:04.000 --> 06:08.000 the gossip rag weekend. 06:08.000 --> 06:11.000 And the two editors in chief, 06:11.000 --> 06:15.000 because there's a co-ed leadership there, personally. 06:15.000 --> 06:18.000 And I thought, you know, if we're going to discuss this 06:18.000 --> 06:20.000 and tell you what went on and what went down and what happened, 06:20.000 --> 06:24.000 what better way to do it, then, to do it with my co-plaintive, 06:24.000 --> 06:28.000 the lovely Patricia Pi, who was up here during the, 06:28.000 --> 06:30.000 during the, during the weeds, so on. 06:30.000 --> 06:32.000 And that you had a cup of tea, and I said, 06:32.000 --> 06:33.000 well, you didn't bring any from me? 06:33.000 --> 06:35.000 Not meaning she'd have to go and get some, 06:35.000 --> 06:37.000 but there you go. 06:37.000 --> 06:39.000 That's the kind of, that's the kind of gal she is. 06:39.000 --> 06:41.000 She'll be back in a couple minutes and we'll talk about that. 06:41.000 --> 06:45.000 Lots of other things I want to try and get to today. 06:45.000 --> 06:47.000 Let me see, what should we do? 06:47.000 --> 06:49.000 Okay, just because this is time sensitive. 06:49.000 --> 06:50.000 Let me get this out of the way right now, 06:50.000 --> 06:52.000 because I promise Steve, I would do it. 06:52.000 --> 06:53.000 Here we go. 06:53.000 --> 06:57.000 In three, two, one. 06:57.000 --> 07:00.000 Hi, this is Steve Webb with the Lightspring podcast. 07:00.000 --> 07:03.000 Lightspring is a podcast that answers some of the questions 07:03.000 --> 07:07.000 that everybody has about God, Jesus, and Faith, 07:07.000 --> 07:09.000 whether you're to believe her or not. 07:09.000 --> 07:13.000 In three, two, one. 07:13.000 --> 07:15.000 So if you don't normally listen to Godcast, 07:15.000 --> 07:18.000 I'm extending this invitation to you. 07:18.000 --> 07:19.000 Yes, you. 07:19.000 --> 07:22.000 You can find the show at lightspringpodcast.com 07:22.000 --> 07:25.000 or search iTunes for Lightspring. 07:28.000 --> 07:31.000 Two, one. 07:31.000 --> 07:34.000 In this week's episode, I answer the question of whether or not 07:34.000 --> 07:36.000 there's power in prayer. 07:36.000 --> 07:37.000 What do you think? 07:37.000 --> 07:39.000 Is there power in prayer? 07:39.000 --> 07:40.000 Take a listen to the podcast. 07:40.000 --> 07:43.000 My answer might just surprise you. 07:43.000 --> 07:45.000 Of course, life's spring is happy to be a member 07:45.000 --> 07:47.000 of the pod show podcast network. 07:47.000 --> 07:49.000 And I've been hitting you right between the years 07:49.000 --> 07:52.000 with a message of hope, love, and good news 07:52.000 --> 07:54.000 since October, 2004. 07:55.000 --> 07:58.000 Two, one. 07:58.000 --> 08:00.000 I dare you. 08:00.000 --> 08:02.000 Take a listen to the lightspring podcast. 08:02.000 --> 08:05.000 This week at lightspringpodcast.com. 08:05.000 --> 08:06.000 All right, Steve. 08:06.000 --> 08:08.000 Come closer. 08:08.000 --> 08:10.000 Psst. 08:10.000 --> 08:11.000 How are you, baby? 08:11.000 --> 08:13.000 Oh, you're getting situated there. 08:13.000 --> 08:14.000 Okay. 08:14.000 --> 08:15.000 Yeah. 08:15.000 --> 08:16.000 Okay. 08:16.000 --> 08:17.000 Do you like the stool? 08:17.000 --> 08:18.000 Is that good for you? 08:18.000 --> 08:19.000 That's the one that our fans and brought over, 08:19.000 --> 08:20.000 remember? 08:20.000 --> 08:21.000 You weren't here when you brought it. 08:21.000 --> 08:22.000 It's an lovely stool. 08:22.000 --> 08:23.000 Yes. 08:23.000 --> 08:24.000 Yeah. 08:24.000 --> 08:25.000 Move the thing. 08:25.000 --> 08:26.000 You want to use your headphones? 08:26.000 --> 08:27.000 See? 08:27.000 --> 08:28.000 Yeah. 08:28.000 --> 08:29.000 Let me just everything for you. 08:29.000 --> 08:30.000 You used to be a singer. 08:30.000 --> 08:31.000 Yeah. 08:31.000 --> 08:32.000 I'm adjusting my. 08:32.000 --> 08:33.000 My grabbing. 08:33.000 --> 08:34.000 Grabbing them. 08:34.000 --> 08:35.000 My grabbing the shaft of the stand. 08:35.000 --> 08:38.000 It's a very professional grab there, baby. 08:38.000 --> 08:39.000 Mm-hmm. 08:39.000 --> 08:40.000 Okay. 08:40.000 --> 08:41.000 And it's the headphones a little shitty ever 08:41.000 --> 08:42.000 since Christina Barnum. 08:42.000 --> 08:43.000 For the work. 08:43.000 --> 08:44.000 Yeah. 08:44.000 --> 08:45.000 They work. 08:45.000 --> 08:46.000 I'm not touching them. 08:46.000 --> 08:47.000 Yeah. 08:47.000 --> 08:48.000 Don't touch it. 08:48.000 --> 08:50.000 No. 08:50.000 --> 08:51.000 Hey, baby. 08:51.000 --> 08:52.000 How you doing? 08:52.000 --> 08:52.500 Yeah. 08:52.500 --> 08:54.500 I heard it snowing in Holland. 08:54.500 --> 08:55.500 Oh, yeah. 08:55.500 --> 08:57.500 Yesterday in Holland, it was, she was crap. 08:57.500 --> 08:58.500 It was so cold. 08:58.500 --> 09:01.500 I had, um, I had Eric, I told you that I had one of, 09:01.500 --> 09:04.500 Eric had one of his guys got and get me a delivery. 09:04.500 --> 09:05.500 Yeah. 09:05.500 --> 09:07.500 For Michael Jackson and you of Michael Jackson. 09:07.500 --> 09:08.500 Excuse me. 09:08.500 --> 09:09.500 Excuse me. 09:09.500 --> 09:10.500 George Michael Jackson. 09:10.500 --> 09:11.500 I wish he did. 09:11.500 --> 09:12.500 No. 09:12.500 --> 09:13.500 George Michael. 09:13.500 --> 09:14.500 Yeah. 09:14.500 --> 09:15.500 Eric supplies George Michael as well. 09:15.500 --> 09:16.500 Yeah. 09:16.500 --> 09:17.500 Yeah. 09:17.500 --> 09:18.500 He does international deliveries. 09:18.500 --> 09:20.500 Just tell me where you're parked and we'll bring it to you. 09:21.500 --> 09:22.500 Um, RB wrote me an email. 09:22.500 --> 09:24.500 Said, Adam, I just listened to your show before going to court. 09:24.500 --> 09:25.500 Sure. 09:25.500 --> 09:28.500 Hope you weren't lighting up a split before your court appearance. 09:28.500 --> 09:29.500 Didn't I ask you? 09:29.500 --> 09:30.500 Exactly what you asked. 09:30.500 --> 09:31.500 Didn't know, baby. 09:31.500 --> 09:32.500 I'm clear. 09:32.500 --> 09:33.500 I'm completely clear. 09:33.500 --> 09:34.500 I, uh, he says. 09:34.500 --> 09:38.500 I used to do a magic act a year ago and lit up before opening for the, 09:38.500 --> 09:40.500 for the Steve Miller band in Pasadena. 09:40.500 --> 09:41.500 Man. 09:41.500 --> 09:42.500 What a mistake that was. 09:42.500 --> 09:43.500 Everything went wrong. 09:43.500 --> 09:45.500 And I have no idea what I did on stage. 09:45.500 --> 09:46.500 But the band really liked it. 09:46.500 --> 09:47.500 Yeah. 09:47.500 --> 09:49.500 Do you think they're on the same level perhaps? 09:49.500 --> 09:50.500 Yeah. 09:50.500 --> 09:51.500 I think so. 09:51.500 --> 09:53.500 I think you functioning very good. 09:53.500 --> 09:54.500 Yeah. 09:54.500 --> 09:55.500 Why? 09:55.500 --> 09:56.500 Yeah. 09:56.500 --> 09:57.500 I don't see a difference. 09:57.500 --> 09:58.500 Mm-hmm. 09:58.500 --> 10:00.500 But that's because I'm always this way. 10:00.500 --> 10:02.500 Less, lesser aggressive. 10:02.500 --> 10:03.500 Less aggressive. 10:03.500 --> 10:04.500 Yeah. 10:04.500 --> 10:05.500 But, but friendly. 10:05.500 --> 10:07.500 And, uh, well, maybe I, you know what, maybe I shouldn't. 10:07.500 --> 10:08.500 The frames are wide open. 10:08.500 --> 10:09.500 Mm-hmm. 10:09.500 --> 10:10.500 Oh, yeah. 10:10.500 --> 10:13.500 Maybe I shouldn't consume before doing a show because people like it 10:13.500 --> 10:14.500 want to get really pissed off. 10:14.500 --> 10:15.500 That's what they said. 10:15.500 --> 10:16.500 Yeah. 10:16.500 --> 10:17.500 Yeah. 10:17.500 --> 10:18.500 Yeah. 10:18.500 --> 10:20.500 That's how it's turned got to famous, you know. 10:20.500 --> 10:21.500 No. 10:21.500 --> 10:22.500 No. 10:22.500 --> 10:23.500 No. 10:23.500 --> 10:24.500 No. 10:24.500 --> 10:25.500 No. 10:25.500 --> 10:26.500 No. 10:26.500 --> 10:27.500 No. 10:27.500 --> 10:28.500 No. 10:28.500 --> 10:30.500 How it's turned got famous by putting lesbians on a show. 10:30.500 --> 10:31.500 Ah. 10:31.500 --> 10:32.500 That is the clue. 10:32.500 --> 10:33.500 Yes. 10:33.500 --> 10:36.500 That is the true clue to ratings, but an answer. 10:36.500 --> 10:38.500 Daring to used a word to life to be a. 10:38.500 --> 10:39.500 Lovely. 10:39.500 --> 10:40.500 Yeah. 10:40.500 --> 10:42.500 You know how Americans love that. 10:42.500 --> 10:43.500 Ah. 10:43.500 --> 10:45.500 So, um. 10:46.500 --> 10:51.500 I said last night, when I came home, I said, you got to come on the show because that's the best way to talk about about the lawsuit. 10:51.500 --> 10:53.500 So I can explain it because you weren't there. 10:53.500 --> 10:54.500 Yeah. 10:54.500 --> 10:55.500 Yeah. 10:55.500 --> 10:56.500 You did a good job. 10:56.500 --> 10:57.500 Yeah. 10:57.500 --> 10:58.500 How do you know? 10:58.500 --> 11:00.500 Well, because my family was watching TV. 11:00.500 --> 11:01.500 Oh, the news reports. 11:01.500 --> 11:03.500 You had a couple of quotes there. 11:03.500 --> 11:04.500 Yeah. 11:04.500 --> 11:05.500 Yeah. 11:05.500 --> 11:07.500 So, you want to get into it now? 11:07.500 --> 11:08.500 Yes? 11:08.500 --> 11:09.500 Or should we, um. 11:09.500 --> 11:11.500 How far do we get into it? 11:11.500 --> 11:12.500 Oh, baby. 11:12.500 --> 11:13.500 How far do you want to go? 11:13.500 --> 11:14.500 No. 11:14.500 --> 11:15.500 I think that's probably best. 11:15.500 --> 11:16.500 Yeah. 11:16.500 --> 11:18.500 It's not necessary to throw it mod. 11:18.500 --> 11:20.500 Throw it mod. 11:20.500 --> 11:22.500 Translation. 11:22.500 --> 11:23.500 Very nice. 11:23.500 --> 11:24.500 Wait. 11:24.500 --> 11:28.500 But first, first, you know, he doesn't call often, but when he does, I have to put him on the show. 11:28.500 --> 11:29.500 Oh, okay. 11:29.500 --> 11:30.500 Okay. 11:30.500 --> 11:31.500 Oh. 11:31.500 --> 11:32.500 Come on. 11:32.500 --> 11:33.500 You ready, young? 11:33.500 --> 11:40.500 Here's another message from the Rages of the Rages of the Rages of the Rages of the Rages. 11:40.500 --> 11:42.500 Hello, I'm Roger here. 11:42.500 --> 11:45.500 I just think catching up on your tele messages. 11:45.500 --> 11:49.500 And I thought I'd like to mention, I don't actually drive a car or a mini. 11:49.500 --> 11:51.500 I used to drive a box so now, there. 11:51.500 --> 11:54.500 But I had a nice next step and now I'm found. 11:54.500 --> 11:56.500 So I have to work everywhere. 11:56.500 --> 12:01.500 and also take the bus, but that's even very expensive these days. 12:01.500 --> 12:05.500 I'm not quite sure who's been hanging around outside your house, but it's not me. 12:05.500 --> 12:09.500 I think you've got to be very careful because there's lots of sensory people out there 12:09.500 --> 12:12.500 and there's only so many covers in the phone book. 12:12.500 --> 12:16.500 You never know who you've got out there, it's probably that comic shit blogger 12:16.500 --> 12:20.500 because he seems a bit involved in writing all those nasty things about you. 12:20.500 --> 12:23.500 He traces all those pictures of you on his website 12:23.500 --> 12:26.500 and I don't think that's very normal behaviour. 12:26.500 --> 12:29.500 But the great careful with Jacket or where his name is 12:29.500 --> 12:32.500 is looking at his blog, he seems very obsessed with you. 12:32.500 --> 12:36.500 He knows this kind of person he drives and many as well. 12:36.500 --> 12:39.500 Anyway, everything goes well with those nasty magazines 12:39.500 --> 12:41.500 and it's some consolation. 12:41.500 --> 12:44.500 I have my picture in the local newspaper a while ago 12:44.500 --> 12:47.500 and my solicitor made the mission a form of a policy. 12:47.500 --> 12:49.500 But please I do the same for you too. 12:49.500 --> 12:52.500 Although they'll probably say sorry in the small print at the back. 12:52.500 --> 12:55.500 Anyway, I'm a phone now, can have been out for the evening. 12:55.500 --> 12:57.500 So, made the wincey with you. 12:57.500 --> 13:00.500 Roger, are you stirring the shit up here? 13:00.500 --> 13:01.500 Yeah. 13:01.500 --> 13:14.500 What was that knife of Paul McCartney to do that jingle? 13:14.500 --> 13:15.500 Yeah. 13:15.500 --> 13:17.500 I was just thinking. 13:17.500 --> 13:18.500 Yeah. 13:18.500 --> 13:20.500 Mac and me, you know, like this. 13:20.500 --> 13:21.500 That's the Jeff Smith. 13:21.500 --> 13:22.500 We did that. 13:22.500 --> 13:23.500 Okay. 13:23.500 --> 13:26.500 My blog Barry's going. 13:26.500 --> 13:27.500 Excuse me. 13:27.500 --> 13:28.500 Hold on. 13:28.500 --> 13:29.500 Let me just see. 13:29.500 --> 13:30.500 Talk amongst yourselves. 13:30.500 --> 13:31.500 Oh. 13:31.500 --> 13:32.500 Okay. 13:32.500 --> 13:34.500 When I hear that guy on the phone, 13:34.500 --> 13:37.500 I have to think about Betty. 13:37.500 --> 13:38.500 Remember? 13:38.500 --> 13:39.500 Yeah. 13:39.500 --> 13:40.500 Hold on a second. 13:40.500 --> 13:41.500 There we go. 13:43.500 --> 13:44.500 Okay. 13:44.500 --> 13:45.500 Here we go. 13:45.500 --> 13:46.500 So, the lawsuit. 13:46.500 --> 13:47.500 Yeah. 13:47.500 --> 13:48.500 Let's just set the stage real quickly. 13:48.500 --> 13:50.500 Everyone knows we're talking about. 13:50.500 --> 13:51.500 Yeah. 13:51.500 --> 13:52.500 Yeah. 13:52.500 --> 13:55.500 A Dutch magazine took pictures off of this two parts to this. 13:55.500 --> 14:00.500 Took pictures off of my flicker, strut, my flicker sight, which by the way. 14:00.500 --> 14:02.500 Let's just say one thing. 14:02.500 --> 14:03.500 Yeah. 14:03.500 --> 14:08.500 In the Netherlands, the word flicker has 99% of the population. 14:08.500 --> 14:11.500 When they hear the word flicker, they think, homosexual. 14:11.500 --> 14:12.500 Yeah. 14:12.500 --> 14:16.500 Because the word, you know, the derogatory term, as we would say, Fag, is flicker. 14:16.500 --> 14:17.500 Yeah. 14:17.500 --> 14:19.500 So, even though you spell it differently. 14:19.500 --> 14:21.500 But an English flickering flicker. 14:21.500 --> 14:22.500 Yeah. 14:22.500 --> 14:27.500 Well, the spelling is F-L-I-C-K-R, which is, of course, very web 2-O hit trendy. 14:27.500 --> 14:29.500 But so, it's kind of funny. 14:29.500 --> 14:31.500 You know, all these people talking about flicker this and flicker that. 14:31.500 --> 14:32.500 Yeah. 14:32.500 --> 14:34.500 There were some snickers in the courtroom, by the way. 14:34.500 --> 14:36.500 And by the way. 14:36.500 --> 14:37.500 Yes. 14:37.500 --> 14:39.500 That magazine is not just a nice magazine. 14:39.500 --> 14:41.500 It's just a gossip magazine. 14:41.500 --> 14:43.500 It's a flicker magazine. 14:43.500 --> 14:45.500 So, did you know that? 14:45.500 --> 14:50.500 You know, it's not even okay or hello or in style, for example. 14:50.500 --> 14:51.500 Oh, no, no, no. 14:51.500 --> 14:56.500 It's a really, it's, you know, it's a rag is what it is. 14:56.500 --> 14:57.500 Okay. 14:57.500 --> 14:58.500 Supermarket. 14:58.500 --> 14:59.500 Right. 14:59.500 --> 15:00.500 Right. 15:00.500 --> 15:04.500 Now, let's just preface this by saying that you and I have been together for 20 years. 15:04.500 --> 15:08.500 We've been very, very well-known in the Netherlands all that time. 15:08.500 --> 15:09.500 That is not stopped. 15:09.500 --> 15:11.500 So much to our measurement, by the way. 15:11.500 --> 15:14.500 We lived in the United States for 14 years, and we came back and we were still well-known. 15:14.500 --> 15:20.500 Well, escaped it also the first time, because when we got together and we went out together, 15:20.500 --> 15:21.500 that was a big thing. 15:21.500 --> 15:26.500 Because no, because you were a scorned woman, because you had an affair with me. 15:26.500 --> 15:27.500 You had an affair with me? 15:27.500 --> 15:28.500 Divorced. 15:28.500 --> 15:29.500 Yes. 15:29.500 --> 15:30.500 Not even when I found you. 15:30.500 --> 15:34.500 It's horrible, horrible, horrible, but bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. 15:34.500 --> 15:37.500 And you were younger 15 years younger. 15:37.500 --> 15:39.500 So, that was a big thing. 15:39.500 --> 15:43.500 We had the paparazzi sitting in the garbage cans. 15:43.500 --> 15:44.500 Yeah. 15:44.500 --> 15:46.500 It was kind of like a dame more ashton-coached cushioner. 15:46.500 --> 15:47.500 Yeah. 15:47.500 --> 15:48.500 Yeah. 15:48.500 --> 15:49.500 Yeah. 15:49.500 --> 15:51.500 I just had a visual for a second there. 15:51.500 --> 15:53.500 I was doing dame. 15:53.500 --> 15:55.500 How would you like, do you like ashton? 15:55.500 --> 15:56.500 No. 15:56.500 --> 15:57.500 No. 15:57.500 --> 15:58.500 No. 15:58.500 --> 15:59.500 I don't see it. 15:59.500 --> 16:00.500 No, no. 16:00.500 --> 16:01.500 No. 16:01.500 --> 16:02.500 We were. 16:02.500 --> 16:03.500 Okay. 16:03.500 --> 16:04.500 Okay. 16:04.500 --> 16:07.500 Anyway, they took pictures off of my flicker side. 16:07.500 --> 16:09.500 And here's what they did. 16:09.500 --> 16:13.500 They followed Patricia around and Christina apparently. 16:13.500 --> 16:14.500 Yeah. 16:14.500 --> 16:15.500 And they took a picture of you. 16:15.500 --> 16:18.500 And you know, I'm sure they took many, many pictures of you. 16:18.500 --> 16:19.500 You were shopping at Saintsbury. 16:19.500 --> 16:20.500 Didn't know anything. 16:20.500 --> 16:21.500 Right. 16:21.500 --> 16:22.500 So, it doesn't matter. 16:22.500 --> 16:25.500 Even if you had the most beautiful clothes on, we're completely ready for a photo shoot. 16:25.500 --> 16:26.500 There's always a shitty picture. 16:26.500 --> 16:27.500 So, they're looking for a shit. 16:27.500 --> 16:28.500 That's a new thing. 16:28.500 --> 16:31.500 They're looking for the shittiest photo that they have. 16:31.500 --> 16:32.500 So, they can say, look. 16:32.500 --> 16:33.500 She looks like shit. 16:33.500 --> 16:35.500 And you didn't even look that shitty. 16:35.500 --> 16:36.500 Hey. 16:36.500 --> 16:37.500 Don't break the studio. 16:37.500 --> 16:38.500 Yeah. 16:38.500 --> 16:39.500 That's shitty. 16:39.500 --> 16:40.500 I thought it. 16:40.500 --> 16:41.500 I did. 16:41.500 --> 16:42.500 No, it wasn't that bad. 16:42.500 --> 16:45.500 You know, when you normally actually a normal person who does. 16:45.500 --> 16:46.500 Looks like that. 16:46.500 --> 16:47.500 No. 16:47.500 --> 16:48.500 No, look. 16:48.500 --> 16:49.500 Look like you and you look shitty. 16:49.500 --> 16:52.500 Who carries the grocery bags in her car. 16:52.500 --> 16:53.500 And you were looking down. 16:53.500 --> 16:54.500 Pools faces. 16:54.500 --> 16:55.500 Yeah. 16:55.500 --> 16:56.500 You pulled us a face. 16:56.500 --> 16:57.500 Yeah. 16:57.500 --> 16:58.500 Put that on. 16:58.500 --> 16:59.500 Okay. 16:59.500 --> 17:01.500 So, that face, you know, was. 17:01.500 --> 17:02.500 That's the poop face. 17:02.500 --> 17:03.500 On the cover. 17:03.500 --> 17:04.500 That's it. 17:04.500 --> 17:06.500 That's when you're trying to pinch one off. 17:06.500 --> 17:07.500 Yeah. 17:08.500 --> 17:09.500 Okay. 17:09.500 --> 17:11.500 And that face was on the cover of the magazine. 17:11.500 --> 17:12.500 Yes. 17:12.500 --> 17:13.500 Correct. 17:13.500 --> 17:15.500 And it was full page. 17:15.500 --> 17:18.500 And the gist of them of the article was, you know, they say that everything is all 17:18.500 --> 17:20.500 Hunky Dory, but it's really all crappy. 17:20.500 --> 17:21.500 No. 17:21.500 --> 17:22.500 Look at Patricia's face for Christ's sake. 17:22.500 --> 17:23.500 I'm happy. 17:23.500 --> 17:24.500 It must be poopy. 17:24.500 --> 17:25.500 Very unhappy. 17:25.500 --> 17:31.500 And so, to prove this contrast inside, they took these pictures of our trip to America. 17:31.500 --> 17:32.500 Yes. 17:32.500 --> 17:34.500 Well, we were in New York and San Francisco. 17:35.500 --> 17:38.500 When we were sick actually, and I took a picture of the three of us in Central Park. 17:38.500 --> 17:39.500 You had the flu. 17:39.500 --> 17:40.500 Yeah. 17:40.500 --> 17:41.500 Boy, that's bad. 17:41.500 --> 17:42.500 Well, remember that. 17:42.500 --> 17:43.500 Bad hair day. 17:43.500 --> 17:44.500 Yeah. 17:44.500 --> 17:46.500 And, and quite honestly, of course, these are great pictures. 17:46.500 --> 17:49.500 You know, that's why I published them on the on my family. 17:49.500 --> 17:51.500 I put a muffler. 17:51.500 --> 17:52.500 And on the knees. 17:52.500 --> 17:53.500 Did you just broke? 17:53.500 --> 17:54.500 No. 17:54.500 --> 17:55.500 On this show. 17:55.500 --> 17:56.500 You know what happened. 17:56.500 --> 17:57.500 What do you have to say? 17:57.500 --> 17:58.500 Did that burn? 17:58.500 --> 17:59.500 Yeah. 17:59.500 --> 18:00.500 What do you have to say? 18:00.500 --> 18:01.500 What do you have to say? 18:01.500 --> 18:02.500 Excuse me. 18:03.500 --> 18:05.500 Well, senseo. 18:05.500 --> 18:06.500 Oh, senseo. 18:06.500 --> 18:08.500 Thanks for listening. 18:08.500 --> 18:09.500 Oh. 18:09.500 --> 18:10.500 For the past year and a half. 18:10.500 --> 18:11.500 But I'm not a coffee drink. 18:11.500 --> 18:12.500 No. 18:12.500 --> 18:13.500 Okay. 18:13.500 --> 18:14.500 But from now on, whenever you hear a book, 18:14.500 --> 18:16.500 the day I've been didn't go down very well. 18:16.500 --> 18:20.500 But anyway, and underneath these lovely holiday pictures, 18:20.500 --> 18:25.500 I said, yeah, look, they're playing like it's nice, but it's not good. 18:25.500 --> 18:26.500 No. 18:26.500 --> 18:27.500 No. 18:27.500 --> 18:28.500 It's horrible. 18:28.500 --> 18:29.500 No. 18:29.500 --> 18:30.500 And they're sitting in a limo. 18:30.500 --> 18:31.500 No. 18:31.500 --> 18:32.500 He can afford a limo. 18:32.500 --> 18:33.500 No. 18:33.500 --> 18:34.500 No. 18:34.500 --> 18:35.500 Okay. 18:35.500 --> 18:36.500 Okay. 18:36.500 --> 18:38.500 But that doesn't matter because in 20 years that we've been together, 18:38.500 --> 18:40.500 we've never sued a magazine ever. 18:40.500 --> 18:43.500 Never sued a gossip magazine for anything. 18:43.500 --> 18:44.500 Never. 18:44.500 --> 18:46.500 Because we think, you know, you are out there. 18:46.500 --> 18:47.500 We did our things. 18:47.500 --> 18:49.500 We did our appearances. 18:49.500 --> 18:50.500 We were famous. 18:50.500 --> 18:52.500 That's what we were working for. 18:52.500 --> 18:54.500 And sometimes these sort of things. 18:54.500 --> 18:55.500 You know, that's the other side. 18:55.500 --> 18:56.500 Yeah. 18:56.500 --> 18:57.500 I mean. 18:57.500 --> 18:58.500 So. 18:58.500 --> 18:59.500 That's the way it works. 18:59.500 --> 19:00.500 That's the way it works. 19:00.500 --> 19:01.500 That's the game. 19:01.500 --> 19:02.500 That. 19:02.500 --> 19:03.500 Silicier. 19:03.500 --> 19:04.500 Hmm. 19:04.500 --> 19:05.500 Okay. 19:05.500 --> 19:06.500 So that isn't the game. 19:06.500 --> 19:07.500 No. 19:07.500 --> 19:08.500 No problem. 19:08.500 --> 19:09.500 And they've said some shitty things about us. 19:09.500 --> 19:11.500 And they've told lots of untruths and lies. 19:11.500 --> 19:12.500 Of course. 19:12.500 --> 19:13.500 But these are gossip magazine. 19:13.500 --> 19:16.500 And on the other side, we use them to sell things. 19:16.500 --> 19:17.500 You know. 19:17.500 --> 19:18.500 Absolutely. 19:18.500 --> 19:19.500 It works both ways. 19:19.500 --> 19:20.500 Yeah. 19:20.500 --> 19:22.500 We know how to play the game. 19:22.500 --> 19:23.500 Let's be honest. 19:23.500 --> 19:25.500 However, there are rules to the game. 19:25.500 --> 19:26.500 Yes. 19:26.500 --> 19:27.500 I think so too. 19:27.500 --> 19:31.500 One of the rules is people can stand outside your house and take as many pictures of 19:31.500 --> 19:32.500 they want as they want. 19:32.500 --> 19:35.500 But they cannot take pictures of you while you're in your house. 19:35.500 --> 19:36.500 If you're in your house, they can't take it. 19:36.500 --> 19:37.500 Well, they can take it. 19:37.500 --> 19:41.500 But they can't publish a picture that has been taken through the window. 19:41.500 --> 19:42.500 Yeah. 19:42.500 --> 19:43.500 Now, if you're in your back garden. 19:43.500 --> 19:44.500 Or if you're on your balcony. 19:44.500 --> 19:47.500 It's, you know, there's jurisprudence that says they can publish that. 19:47.500 --> 19:50.500 So, so really your final privacy is easy. 19:50.500 --> 19:53.500 Even if you're in your bare butt, they can take the picture. 19:53.500 --> 19:54.500 Yeah. 19:54.500 --> 19:55.500 So that is preferred, of course. 19:55.500 --> 19:56.500 Yes. 19:56.500 --> 19:57.500 Of course. 19:57.500 --> 20:04.500 Now, just in normal publishing terms, well, before I get to that, they also followed 20:04.500 --> 20:05.500 our daughter Christina. 20:05.500 --> 20:06.500 Yeah. 20:06.500 --> 20:13.500 And we know that because written in the text of this article was the name of her school 20:13.500 --> 20:16.500 and how she is transported there every single day. 20:16.500 --> 20:17.500 How do they know that? 20:17.500 --> 20:18.500 Of course. 20:18.500 --> 20:19.500 How do they know? 20:19.500 --> 20:23.500 Because they've been watching these editors or one of these editors ordered some 20:23.500 --> 20:24.500 guys. 20:24.500 --> 20:29.500 Some greasy ass guy in a trench coat is the way I envision him with a fucking lens to follow 20:29.500 --> 20:30.500 my daughter. 20:30.500 --> 20:31.500 Yeah. 20:31.500 --> 20:32.500 I don't care who's following my daughter. 20:32.500 --> 20:33.500 She's 15. 20:33.500 --> 20:34.500 That's not okay. 20:34.500 --> 20:35.500 No. 20:35.500 --> 20:36.500 That is just not okay. 20:36.500 --> 20:37.500 No. 20:37.500 --> 20:38.500 So, that is endangerment of a child. 20:38.500 --> 20:40.500 Unless we say, can you follow my daughter? 20:40.500 --> 20:41.500 Yeah. 20:41.500 --> 20:44.500 Well, there's some guys that, that's not a story. 20:44.500 --> 20:47.500 There's some guys that I told not to follow my daughter in case some other 20:47.500 --> 20:48.500 motherfuckers shows up. 20:48.500 --> 20:49.500 So, no worries. 20:49.500 --> 20:50.500 Yeah. 20:50.500 --> 20:52.500 It's all good. 20:52.500 --> 20:57.500 Now, so that of course is subject to how you want to interpret the words, what is danger, 20:57.500 --> 21:02.500 you know, there's all kinds of things that can be taken into consideration, but any parent 21:02.500 --> 21:03.500 will agree. 21:03.500 --> 21:04.500 That's not okay. 21:04.500 --> 21:08.500 If you, if you, if you are a parent, you know that's that doesn't feel good at all. 21:08.500 --> 21:09.500 And it's just wrong. 21:09.500 --> 21:10.500 It's wrong. 21:10.500 --> 21:11.500 Okay. 21:11.500 --> 21:12.500 Follow me. 21:12.500 --> 21:13.500 Do the same as Barry. 21:13.500 --> 21:14.500 Doesn't matter. 21:14.500 --> 21:15.500 Yeah. 21:15.500 --> 21:16.500 Take my ugly face and put it on the cover. 21:16.500 --> 21:17.500 It wasn't ugly, huh? 21:17.500 --> 21:18.500 It doesn't matter. 21:18.500 --> 21:21.500 It doesn't matter, but don't do that to my daughter. 21:21.500 --> 21:22.500 Right. 21:22.500 --> 21:28.500 Now, they took these pictures from my flicker feed and every single picture that I have 21:28.500 --> 21:35.500 up there, public, is marked as creative comments, share a like, non-commercial attribution. 21:35.500 --> 21:36.500 Yeah. 21:36.500 --> 21:39.500 So, the, the important part here is the non-commercial part of the license. 21:39.500 --> 21:42.500 Now, this whole creative comment is not a small thing. 21:42.500 --> 21:46.500 You know, this is set up by Lawrence Lessig of Stanford University. 21:46.500 --> 21:48.500 It's, it's adopted globally. 21:48.500 --> 21:53.500 People rely on this for protection for their intellectual property. 21:53.500 --> 21:55.500 Yeah. 21:55.500 --> 22:04.500 And the, the, the, the, the magazine and the editors, they basically had to come into court and explain 22:04.500 --> 22:08.500 what, you know, why they felt justified to take those pictures and publish it. 22:08.500 --> 22:09.500 Exactly. 22:09.500 --> 22:10.500 Because they can't read English. 22:10.500 --> 22:13.500 Because it's clearly, well, the part of that was the part of their defense. 22:13.500 --> 22:14.500 Yeah. 22:14.500 --> 22:15.500 He set the stage for a second. 22:15.500 --> 22:16.500 Okay. 22:16.500 --> 22:18.500 So, I have taxi Eric who's all dressed up. 22:18.500 --> 22:22.500 He, you know, of course he takes care of all the logistics for us in Holland. 22:22.500 --> 22:25.500 So, he's dressed up and looks like a secret agent. 22:25.500 --> 22:26.500 Totally James Bond. 22:26.500 --> 22:27.500 Yeah. 22:27.500 --> 22:28.500 Exactly. 22:28.500 --> 22:29.500 Exactly. 22:29.500 --> 22:30.500 Yeah. 22:30.500 --> 22:33.500 You know, he's overcoat, little oversized, overcoat, you know, he's kind of walking. 22:33.500 --> 22:34.500 Yeah. 22:34.500 --> 22:36.500 He looks, he looks perfect for the posse. 22:36.500 --> 22:37.500 Gold rings. 22:37.500 --> 22:38.500 Yeah. 22:38.500 --> 22:39.500 And what's that? 22:39.500 --> 22:40.500 What? 22:40.500 --> 22:41.500 He has the walk. 22:41.500 --> 22:42.500 Yeah. 22:42.500 --> 22:43.500 Exactly. 22:43.500 --> 22:51.500 So, we have our lead attorney, Christ from Popula Stain, Abibushnach. 22:51.500 --> 22:54.500 Christ is, he's a, he's a pretty scary guy. 22:54.500 --> 22:55.500 Yeah. 22:55.500 --> 22:56.500 He's like partially bald. 22:56.500 --> 22:59.500 And he always has like, that shitty ring on his face. 22:59.500 --> 23:00.500 Yeah. 23:00.500 --> 23:02.500 You know, you just want to have him on your son. 23:02.500 --> 23:03.500 Yeah. 23:03.500 --> 23:04.500 Don't fuck with me face. 23:04.500 --> 23:05.500 Yeah. 23:05.500 --> 23:09.500 And then we had young villain who was an associate who actually, you know, wrote a lot of the stuff. 23:09.500 --> 23:10.500 So you had two. 23:10.500 --> 23:11.500 Yeah. 23:11.500 --> 23:16.500 And young villain was my size and, you know, kind of a big, like, all off-looking guy. 23:16.500 --> 23:17.500 You know, so it's all right. 23:17.500 --> 23:18.500 I think we had a pretty good posse. 23:18.500 --> 23:19.500 Yeah. 23:19.500 --> 23:23.500 Now, what was interesting is the news organizations that will news. 23:23.500 --> 23:27.500 I mean, the, kind of like the entertainment tonight news organizations. 23:27.500 --> 23:33.500 They had requested to film to record video during the, during the session during the, during the suit. 23:33.500 --> 23:34.500 Two programs. 23:34.500 --> 23:35.500 Yeah. 23:35.500 --> 23:36.500 Exactly. 23:36.500 --> 23:38.500 And so they asked me to, do you mind? 23:38.500 --> 23:39.500 I don't care. 23:39.500 --> 23:40.500 I mean, that's fine. 23:40.500 --> 23:41.500 Yeah. 23:41.500 --> 23:42.500 Yeah. 23:42.500 --> 23:43.500 And stuff like that. 23:43.500 --> 23:44.500 Yeah. 23:44.500 --> 23:45.500 Can be very helpful for other people. 23:45.500 --> 23:47.500 So when we get there, the camera crews were there. 23:47.500 --> 23:50.500 But it turns out that the magazine and the publisher refused. 23:50.500 --> 23:54.500 They didn't want any cameras in the court. 23:54.500 --> 23:59.500 I mean, a gossip magazine, you all, I mean, this, I was blown away by that. 23:59.500 --> 24:01.500 Oh, they were shy. 24:01.500 --> 24:02.500 Yeah. 24:02.500 --> 24:03.500 All of a sudden they were shy. 24:03.500 --> 24:04.500 Yeah. 24:04.500 --> 24:06.500 You know, what's, you know, what's a real bummer? 24:06.500 --> 24:07.500 Yeah. 24:07.500 --> 24:12.500 I'm just thinking you're car right now, listening to this on serious satellite stars 103. 24:12.500 --> 24:18.500 And you're not going to hear the ending of it because the satellite window closes and, if it's, if it goes to Hellway, it comes up next. 24:18.500 --> 24:23.500 So, so, well, but when they get home, when they get to the office, go to dailysourceco.com, download the show. 24:23.500 --> 24:25.500 And you can hear the rest of it. 24:25.500 --> 24:26.500 Yeah. 24:26.500 --> 24:28.500 Oh, you know, that podcast, and you should look into it. 24:28.500 --> 24:29.500 It's pretty cool. 24:29.500 --> 24:30.500 Okay. 24:30.500 --> 24:31.500 So they're gone now. 24:31.500 --> 24:32.500 Okay. 24:32.500 --> 24:33.500 Where was I? 24:33.500 --> 24:34.500 Oh, yeah. 24:34.500 --> 24:40.500 The judge, then, before, before we started, the judge called in the, my two lawyers and their one lawyer. 24:40.500 --> 24:41.500 It was as geeky looking. 24:41.500 --> 24:45.500 If you put two, two bolts here in his neck, he was totally frank and stunned. 24:45.500 --> 24:46.500 Yeah. 24:46.500 --> 24:47.500 Yeah, but it's like a lurchy guy. 24:47.500 --> 24:48.500 Sometimes it doesn't matter. 24:48.500 --> 24:49.500 You know that. 24:49.500 --> 24:50.500 Yeah. 24:50.500 --> 24:51.500 But it may be feel good at the time. 24:51.500 --> 24:52.500 Yeah. 24:52.500 --> 24:53.500 I know. 24:53.500 --> 24:54.500 Okay. 24:54.500 --> 24:55.500 Okay. 24:55.500 --> 24:56.500 Of course, it doesn't matter. 24:56.500 --> 24:57.500 It makes no difference at all. 24:57.500 --> 25:00.500 But as it turns out, anyway. 25:01.500 --> 25:06.500 I had geeky guy a couple of times in the courtroom and defending me. 25:06.500 --> 25:07.500 And I lost. 25:07.500 --> 25:08.500 Yeah. 25:08.500 --> 25:09.500 No, exactly. 25:09.500 --> 25:10.500 And I was telling these guys. 25:10.500 --> 25:11.500 I'm like, hey. 25:11.500 --> 25:12.500 It's true, but you never know. 25:12.500 --> 25:15.500 I was telling, I'm saying, okay, guys, listen. 25:15.500 --> 25:16.500 Let's do this right. 25:16.500 --> 25:17.500 You know, let's just sit there. 25:17.500 --> 25:18.500 This is always so dry. 25:18.500 --> 25:19.500 These Dutch court cases. 25:19.500 --> 25:20.500 Yeah. 25:20.500 --> 25:21.500 You know, you watch TV. 25:21.500 --> 25:22.500 You watch Boston legal. 25:22.500 --> 25:25.500 You're like, you know, besides the fact that the office is filled with groovy, you know, 25:25.500 --> 25:26.500 by sexual chicks. 25:26.500 --> 25:27.500 Yeah. 25:27.500 --> 25:28.500 You know, there's all this like. 25:29.500 --> 25:30.500 There's professional suits on. 25:30.500 --> 25:31.500 Right. 25:31.500 --> 25:32.500 Yeah. 25:32.500 --> 25:33.500 Exactly. 25:33.500 --> 25:35.500 So I said, listen, guys, I want some Danny Crane. 25:35.500 --> 25:36.500 Danny Crane. 25:36.500 --> 25:37.500 Yeah. 25:37.500 --> 25:38.500 Yeah. 25:38.500 --> 25:40.500 And in a couple of times during the, during the case, I went, I. 25:40.500 --> 25:42.500 Danny Crane. 25:42.500 --> 25:43.500 Yeah. 25:43.500 --> 25:45.500 So, and, and, but, help, they really hit. 25:45.500 --> 25:46.500 It made a difference. 25:46.500 --> 25:49.500 But they, they knew that you meant be cool. 25:49.500 --> 25:50.500 Yeah. 25:50.500 --> 25:51.500 And it's psychological. 25:51.500 --> 25:52.500 And they were very cool. 25:52.500 --> 25:53.500 And these guys are pros. 25:53.500 --> 25:54.500 They're really good. 25:54.500 --> 25:55.500 I've done this a couple of times before. 25:55.500 --> 25:57.500 You know, it's very good because we have American listens. 25:57.500 --> 26:01.500 And listeners, and they have no idea how it works in how it works. 26:01.500 --> 26:02.500 Oh, let me, yeah. 26:02.500 --> 26:03.500 Let me just say. 26:03.500 --> 26:04.500 And I've mentioned this before. 26:04.500 --> 26:08.500 But there is no jury system in the Netherlands, not for criminal or civil court. 26:08.500 --> 26:10.500 It's just a professional judge system. 26:10.500 --> 26:11.500 One judge. 26:11.500 --> 26:12.500 Yeah. 26:12.500 --> 26:13.500 So the judge is going to listen. 26:13.500 --> 26:17.500 It reads the documents, listens to the arguments, and then makes a decision. 26:17.500 --> 26:18.500 That's, that's how it goes. 26:18.500 --> 26:19.500 And he's stomach hurts. 26:19.500 --> 26:20.500 And he has a fight at home. 26:20.500 --> 26:22.500 He's in a bad mood. 26:22.500 --> 26:23.500 Well, no. 26:23.500 --> 26:24.500 You're fine. 26:24.500 --> 26:25.500 Let me just say one thing. 26:25.500 --> 26:30.500 I do believe that the professional judges who are in the system really believe in the system, 26:30.500 --> 26:31.500 and really work it. 26:31.500 --> 26:33.500 I mean, I just don't believe in the system. 26:33.500 --> 26:34.500 That's nothing against judges. 26:34.500 --> 26:37.500 I don't think they use their gut feeling. 26:37.500 --> 26:39.500 Yeah, but they're not supposed to. 26:39.500 --> 26:40.500 No, that's why the line. 26:40.500 --> 26:42.500 So you always get something different. 26:42.500 --> 26:43.500 They're not well. 26:43.500 --> 26:45.500 And then the Netherlands, of course, is always. 26:45.500 --> 26:48.500 Why don't we just come to a compromise. 26:48.500 --> 26:50.500 There's always a compromise. 26:50.500 --> 26:52.500 It's never a clear cut winner in it. 26:52.500 --> 26:55.500 I think it's too much about the rules or the rules. 26:55.500 --> 26:57.500 Yeah, but they look at it exactly. 26:57.500 --> 27:00.500 Well, we can argue this for a hundred, a hundred years. 27:00.500 --> 27:04.500 But I mean, the way the system, I don't like the system. 27:04.500 --> 27:08.500 I think it's a bad system, but I do think they try their best to make the system work. 27:08.500 --> 27:10.500 So let me just, let's just say that. 27:10.500 --> 27:11.500 That's true. 27:11.500 --> 27:12.500 Okay. 27:12.500 --> 27:14.500 And this judge, a woman. 27:14.500 --> 27:19.500 She's known for intellectual copyright about intellectual property cases. 27:20.500 --> 27:23.500 Yeah, she's probably somewhere between my age and your age. 27:23.500 --> 27:24.500 I guess. 27:24.500 --> 27:25.500 I think somewhere on that. 27:25.500 --> 27:27.500 Maybe younger. 27:27.500 --> 27:29.500 No, I think she was older than I was. 27:29.500 --> 27:31.500 But somewhere in between. 27:31.500 --> 27:32.500 Laskar. 27:32.500 --> 27:38.500 Yeah, but, you know, I like the, oh, so she overruled the. 27:38.500 --> 27:43.500 The request by the magazine to have no cameras in the court room. 27:43.500 --> 27:44.500 She overruled it. 27:44.500 --> 27:46.500 And talk like, oh, that's kind of cool. 27:46.500 --> 27:48.500 And you know, I hadn't met her yet. 27:48.500 --> 27:50.500 I thought that was a very interesting. 27:50.500 --> 27:51.500 Of course. 27:51.500 --> 27:52.500 So these schmucks, they record everything. 27:52.500 --> 27:55.500 And you know, what do they use like, you know, us walking into the courtroom? 27:55.500 --> 27:58.500 It's like Christal mighty idiots. 27:58.500 --> 27:59.500 Yeah. 27:59.500 --> 28:01.500 Okay. 28:01.500 --> 28:06.500 So I showed up, of course, representing us with with our attorneys. 28:06.500 --> 28:12.500 And this guy, Mark Funderlinda, who was the, who's the editor, who shares this co-editor 28:12.500 --> 28:15.500 ship with this other girl, Peter of Boats. 28:15.500 --> 28:16.500 He wrote the whole piece. 28:16.500 --> 28:19.500 Oh, I don't even know who wrote it because there was no buy line there. 28:19.500 --> 28:21.500 Yeah, but then I know that it was him. 28:21.500 --> 28:23.500 Well, usually it's him. 28:23.500 --> 28:27.500 So he didn't show up because he apparently had a fall in luck. 28:27.500 --> 28:29.500 And left where he was slipped. 28:29.500 --> 28:33.500 He was, you know, following celebrities around. 28:33.500 --> 28:34.500 He was leeching and left. 28:34.500 --> 28:35.500 Yeah. 28:35.500 --> 28:37.500 He was following them around and then he slipped. 28:37.500 --> 28:38.500 Yes. 28:38.500 --> 28:40.500 And he slipped and he couldn't make it. 28:40.500 --> 28:41.500 Okay. 28:41.500 --> 28:44.500 So the better boats can. 28:44.500 --> 28:47.500 And you know what? 28:47.500 --> 28:51.500 She should really change her hair color because she's giving the whole dumb blonde thing 28:51.500 --> 28:52.500 like too much. 28:52.500 --> 28:53.500 Yeah, credit. 28:53.500 --> 28:54.500 Too much credit. 28:54.500 --> 28:56.500 I mean, I'm sorry. 28:56.500 --> 28:58.500 You know, it's just, she just doesn't seem very bright. 28:58.500 --> 29:01.500 She didn't say anything throughout the entire court case. 29:01.500 --> 29:02.500 Throughout the entire case. 29:02.500 --> 29:03.500 Not one word. 29:03.500 --> 29:04.500 No. 29:04.500 --> 29:05.500 You know, and I was talking on doing all kinds of stuff. 29:05.500 --> 29:07.500 You know, you know me. 29:07.500 --> 29:13.500 Oh, let's just say the best news of the entire day. 29:13.500 --> 29:16.500 No Donald Trump hair. 29:16.500 --> 29:17.500 Ah. 29:17.500 --> 29:18.500 The hair. 29:18.500 --> 29:20.500 I actually got the hair pretty good now. 29:20.500 --> 29:21.500 Lucky luck. 29:21.500 --> 29:23.520 Lucky luck. 29:23.520 --> 29:25.520 Lucky luck. 29:25.520 --> 29:26.500 Lucky luck. 29:26.500 --> 29:27.500 Lucky luck. 29:27.500 --> 29:29.520 Lucky luck. 29:29.520 --> 29:30.520 Look. 29:30.520 --> 29:31.520 Lucky luck. 29:31.520 --> 29:32.520 You saw the hair. 29:32.520 --> 29:33.520 Look pretty good. 29:33.520 --> 29:34.520 That's the hair that I always say. 29:34.520 --> 29:35.520 Right. 29:35.520 --> 29:36.520 And Donald Trump hair. 29:36.520 --> 29:37.520 Right, but I didn't have that did I do. 29:37.520 --> 29:38.520 No. 29:38.520 --> 29:39.520 You did your best. 29:39.520 --> 29:40.520 Okay. 29:40.520 --> 29:42.520 Because what I said was a jury. 29:42.520 --> 29:44.520 He said fine, how was your hair? 29:46.520 --> 29:47.520 She didn't ask about my hair first. 29:47.520 --> 29:49.520 And it's not because he needs good hair, 29:49.520 --> 29:53.520 no, because he makes he just cannot do his hair. 29:53.520 --> 29:56.520 But if I have the hair, then I have the confidence. 29:56.520 --> 29:58.520 It's my main. It's my armor. 29:58.520 --> 30:03.520 If I let you do your hair, then you look like a sort of blonde, 30:03.520 --> 30:04.520 Elvis Presley. 30:04.520 --> 30:07.520 Yeah, you just put a little bit of water in it. 30:07.520 --> 30:08.520 No, throw it back. 30:08.520 --> 30:10.520 Stop about the hair, okay? Enough about the hair. 30:10.520 --> 30:13.520 That would, people know that you don't care about your hair. 30:13.520 --> 30:15.520 It's nice to know. 30:15.520 --> 30:17.520 No, I do care about my hair because I want it to look right 30:17.520 --> 30:19.520 because that gives me confidence. 30:19.520 --> 30:22.520 Of course, of course. 30:22.520 --> 30:23.520 Okay, so I care. 30:23.520 --> 30:24.520 Yeah. 30:24.520 --> 30:27.520 On top of that, instead of my regular blue contact lenses, 30:27.520 --> 30:29.520 because I thought it would be stunningly beautiful. 30:29.520 --> 30:32.520 It turns out that the guide gave us the wrong ones 30:32.520 --> 30:34.520 and had green contact lenses. 30:34.520 --> 30:35.520 Yeah, what was that? 30:35.520 --> 30:38.520 Which made my eyes look like two black holes. 30:38.520 --> 30:39.520 Yeah, very dark. 30:39.520 --> 30:41.520 But I didn't want my glasses on because of it. 30:41.520 --> 30:42.520 No, I know. 30:42.520 --> 30:44.520 Because I think this stuff is important, you know? 30:44.520 --> 30:45.520 Yes. 30:45.520 --> 30:48.520 But again, whether you're appealing to a jury or a judge, 30:48.520 --> 30:49.520 I mean, I know. 30:49.520 --> 30:51.520 I'm taking this shit really, really serious. 30:51.520 --> 30:52.520 That's what I wanted to say. 30:52.520 --> 30:53.520 Everything needs to be out. 30:53.520 --> 30:54.520 That was the statement. 30:54.520 --> 30:55.520 Yes. 30:55.520 --> 30:59.520 So then we read our whole thing, right? 30:59.520 --> 31:00.520 And here's what I liked about the judge, 31:00.520 --> 31:03.520 because the lawyers get up and then first the plaintiffs, 31:03.520 --> 31:07.520 you know, we had this brief of like 46 or 47 different points, 31:07.520 --> 31:09.520 which is, you know, what we claim, 31:09.520 --> 31:11.520 what the law is, jurisprudence, 31:11.520 --> 31:13.520 what the conclusion is. 31:13.520 --> 31:16.520 And so, you know, our guy actually reads that. 31:16.520 --> 31:18.520 He reads it from the paper. 31:18.520 --> 31:20.520 Well, I'm going like, denny crane. 31:20.520 --> 31:24.520 But the judge, the judge, even though she's given a copy, 31:24.520 --> 31:25.520 she didn't read it. 31:25.520 --> 31:28.520 She actually put her glasses on top of her head and just listened. 31:28.520 --> 31:29.520 And as she listened, she was looking around 31:29.520 --> 31:32.520 at different people's reactions during different pieces. 31:32.520 --> 31:34.520 Very, very smart, very smart. 31:34.520 --> 31:36.520 And so then they go woman. 31:36.520 --> 31:37.520 Yeah, oh yeah. 31:37.520 --> 31:38.520 Very good. 31:38.520 --> 31:40.520 So then the other guys get to do it. 31:40.520 --> 31:41.520 And oh my God. 31:41.520 --> 31:42.520 I brought it home with you. 31:42.520 --> 31:43.520 It's just so funny. 31:43.520 --> 31:44.520 Yeah. 31:44.520 --> 31:47.520 So let's just on the pictures for a second, 31:47.520 --> 31:50.520 because that's where the real legal stuff happens. 31:50.520 --> 31:54.520 They claim that when you move your mouse over a picture on flicker. 31:54.520 --> 31:55.520 Yeah. 31:55.520 --> 31:58.520 They claim that something pops up a message that says, 31:58.520 --> 32:00.520 this photo is public. 32:00.520 --> 32:01.520 Now, that's true. 32:01.520 --> 32:02.520 It's public. 32:02.520 --> 32:03.520 That means it's public too. 32:03.520 --> 32:04.520 You can look at it. 32:04.520 --> 32:07.520 And underneath it actually says under certain restrictions. 32:07.520 --> 32:10.520 And it has a concrete created creative comments logo. 32:10.520 --> 32:15.520 The seas with a copyright is very internationally acknowledged stuff. 32:15.520 --> 32:16.520 I know. 32:16.520 --> 32:17.520 But they know that, of course. 32:17.520 --> 32:20.520 I mean, let's not kid each other because they're professional. 32:20.520 --> 32:21.520 Right. 32:21.520 --> 32:25.520 But well, this is what the judge said because they had printouts and screen grabs. 32:25.520 --> 32:27.520 And they're just proving that it's confusing. 32:27.520 --> 32:29.520 And that and they had no idea of your happiness. 32:29.520 --> 32:30.520 And you should go boost. 32:30.520 --> 32:31.520 All that stuff. 32:31.520 --> 32:32.520 Yeah. 32:32.520 --> 32:35.520 It's an important thing for them on their list. 32:35.520 --> 32:40.520 Little list was all disgusting things. 32:40.520 --> 32:42.520 They're asking for it. 32:42.520 --> 32:43.520 Hold on. 32:43.520 --> 32:44.520 No. 32:44.520 --> 32:45.520 Stop. 32:45.520 --> 32:46.520 You're telling the story the wrong way. 32:46.520 --> 32:47.520 Oh, is that so? 32:47.520 --> 32:48.520 Yeah. 32:48.520 --> 32:49.520 Yeah. 32:49.520 --> 32:50.520 But that comes later. 32:50.520 --> 32:51.520 I'm way ahead. 32:51.520 --> 32:52.520 Yes. 32:52.520 --> 32:53.520 Stick with the program. 32:53.520 --> 32:55.520 Hold on to my co-tails, baby. 32:55.520 --> 33:00.520 So they had all these different explanations for why they didn't see it. 33:00.520 --> 33:02.520 They also said, hey, look, it's available. 33:02.520 --> 33:08.520 All these pictures are available in multiple resolutions, including very high quality, which is 33:08.520 --> 33:11.520 plainly, definitely intended for magazines. 33:11.520 --> 33:12.520 That's what you said. 33:12.520 --> 33:14.520 And flicker is only full of promotional pictures. 33:14.520 --> 33:15.520 And it's just fun. 33:15.520 --> 33:17.520 And it's just mucking about. 33:17.520 --> 33:18.520 Mucking about. 33:18.520 --> 33:19.520 Mucking about. 33:19.520 --> 33:21.520 And. 33:21.520 --> 33:24.520 And so, you know, so then we kind of go back and forth. 33:24.520 --> 33:25.520 And I say, you know, you're on her. 33:25.520 --> 33:27.520 And I was I had all the right word. 33:27.520 --> 33:29.520 You have to say eight left butter for our own and all that stuff. 33:29.520 --> 33:31.520 You know, I really tried to respect her position. 33:31.520 --> 33:33.520 So I really was very. 33:33.520 --> 33:35.520 I thought it was quite polite and correct. 33:35.520 --> 33:37.520 I said, you know, I don't take this. 33:37.520 --> 33:39.520 I don't see this as fun and games at all. 33:39.520 --> 33:41.520 I mean, this is really serious stuff. 33:41.520 --> 33:44.520 This is a part of our company. 33:44.520 --> 33:49.520 Our company, our media company, the personal Adam Curry Patricia Pi, media company, which 33:49.520 --> 33:50.520 is registered as such. 33:50.520 --> 33:51.520 Yeah. 33:51.520 --> 33:57.520 You know, spans across web logs, online stores, which you've had. 33:58.520 --> 34:01.520 Pictures, podcasts, video podcasts. 34:01.520 --> 34:03.520 It's a part of the new media. 34:03.520 --> 34:04.520 Yeah. 34:04.520 --> 34:08.520 And we need to respect the same intellectual property rules. 34:08.520 --> 34:12.520 In the new media as as the old media respects from us. 34:12.520 --> 34:14.520 You know, this is this is this is critical stuff. 34:14.520 --> 34:16.520 And you can't just go taking it. 34:16.520 --> 34:17.520 It's stealing. 34:17.520 --> 34:20.520 And so this this debate kind of went back and forth. 34:20.520 --> 34:22.520 And I got into it and I said, look, you know, 34:22.520 --> 34:26.520 first of all, any editor who respects himself after making this huge intellectual 34:26.520 --> 34:30.520 property violation knowingly should resign. 34:30.520 --> 34:34.520 So I'm not only want any money from this, just make the guy resign. 34:34.520 --> 34:36.520 We have to send a message. 34:36.520 --> 34:40.520 We have to send a message that there is a line in the sand. 34:40.520 --> 34:46.520 And the the genesis of this is that when I when my lawyer first sent the letter to them, 34:46.520 --> 34:49.520 hey, you violated our copyright by publishing our pictures. 34:49.520 --> 34:53.520 They said, oh, well, here's 1500 euros, which is like three times 34:53.520 --> 34:56.520 the going rate and you should just shut up and be happy with it. 34:56.520 --> 35:01.520 We offer them money, which is a very common occurrence, by the way. 35:01.520 --> 35:03.520 But it's it's not right. 35:03.520 --> 35:07.520 You can't steal something knowing that I'll just pay them off later. 35:07.520 --> 35:08.520 I mean, you're still stealing. 35:08.520 --> 35:09.520 Then it's done. 35:09.520 --> 35:10.520 Yeah, you're still stealing. 35:10.520 --> 35:14.520 And of course photographers who just take pictures and sell them for living, 35:14.520 --> 35:15.520 you know, they'll take that. 35:15.520 --> 35:18.520 I mean, they're part of the problem because I'll take that three times the amount. 35:18.520 --> 35:20.520 You know, go ahead, steal my pictures all you want. 35:20.520 --> 35:22.520 I didn't offer them to take care. 35:22.520 --> 35:24.520 No, of course not, of course not. 35:24.520 --> 35:28.520 So, you know, that was kind of their their whole defense saying, well, it was hard to 35:28.520 --> 35:32.520 hard to figure out what what the license was, you know, and pictures are they 35:32.520 --> 35:36.520 actually literally said, once a picture, once something is put on the internet, 35:36.520 --> 35:37.520 it has no value. 35:37.520 --> 35:38.520 It has no value. 35:38.520 --> 35:40.520 And I said, well, that's really interesting. 35:40.520 --> 35:42.520 Say, my podcast does pretty damn well. 35:42.520 --> 35:43.520 Thank you very much. 35:43.520 --> 35:44.520 And I gave it away. 35:44.520 --> 35:45.520 Yeah. 35:45.520 --> 35:46.520 And I let people copy it. 35:46.520 --> 35:48.520 And I said, but you can just download this stuff. 35:48.520 --> 35:50.520 It's available for download for everyone. 35:50.520 --> 35:51.520 I said, yeah, absolutely. 35:51.520 --> 35:53.520 You can download my pictures all you want. 35:53.520 --> 35:54.520 There are rules. 35:54.520 --> 35:56.520 But you can't publish them. 35:56.520 --> 35:57.520 Now. 35:57.520 --> 35:58.520 Downloading is not the same as publishing. 35:58.520 --> 36:03.520 So, I started to use some pretty big words like theft and, you know, 36:03.520 --> 36:06.520 violations of intellectual property. 36:06.520 --> 36:11.520 And the judge said, well, Mr. Curry, say, you're using some pretty big words here 36:11.520 --> 36:17.520 for, you know, the crime that has been committed, the taking of a picture. 36:17.520 --> 36:20.520 She said, you know, what exactly would the damages be? 36:20.520 --> 36:24.520 If she's trying to get a numb, because she knows that she's going to decide that they, 36:24.520 --> 36:27.520 I think, that they violated the rules. 36:27.520 --> 36:31.520 The thing here is, what is the value of those pictures? 36:31.520 --> 36:34.520 You know, and so there are two ways I could have gone. 36:34.520 --> 36:38.520 I could have gone and said, well, you know, we've sold pictures in the past, 36:38.520 --> 36:39.520 which I don't think we've ever done. 36:39.520 --> 36:40.520 Oh, one Christina was born. 36:40.520 --> 36:42.520 We sold, actually we didn't sell pictures. 36:42.520 --> 36:43.520 We had pictures made. 36:43.520 --> 36:45.520 And then they wrote a check in Christina's name. 36:46.520 --> 36:49.520 But I mean, you could come up with ways to measure it, but I'm not interested in that. 36:49.520 --> 36:51.520 So I wouldn't answer the question I said. 36:51.520 --> 36:54.520 But I was expecting, I was expecting it. 36:54.520 --> 36:55.520 Yeah. 36:55.520 --> 36:56.520 And here's what I said. 36:56.520 --> 36:58.520 I said, these are the exact same terms. 36:58.520 --> 37:08.520 Theavory, huge loss of income that are used by the RIA, the MPA, the, I used the Dutch, 37:08.520 --> 37:12.520 Bhuma Stamina, ASCAP BMI, said the business software alliance. 37:12.520 --> 37:15.520 And she was nodding her head because, you know, she's done these cases and I said, 37:15.520 --> 37:16.520 Yeah. 37:16.520 --> 37:20.520 So you're telling me that a song that you buy for 99 cents, 37:20.520 --> 37:24.520 when someone copies that illegally and put and shares it with someone else, 37:24.520 --> 37:28.520 why all of a sudden can they get a $150,000 lawsuit? 37:28.520 --> 37:29.520 And I can't. 37:29.520 --> 37:30.520 No. 37:30.520 --> 37:31.520 Yeah. 37:31.520 --> 37:32.520 And that was the tipping point. 37:32.520 --> 37:34.520 And I saw her brain go, oh, click. 37:34.520 --> 37:35.520 Yeah. 37:35.520 --> 37:36.520 Hold on a second. 37:36.520 --> 37:38.520 So I'm just here as the guy who was only hearing about, 37:38.520 --> 37:41.520 we can't rip off the big companies because they're going to take, you know, 37:41.520 --> 37:44.520 they're going to take you down and then you get, you know, look, 37:44.520 --> 37:47.520 the housewives, you know, moms who don't even use the computers, 37:47.520 --> 37:50.520 kids have shared some file and they get, you know, 37:50.520 --> 37:54.520 the $150,000 lawsuit, but they can settle it for 15,000, 37:54.520 --> 37:55.520 and not go to court. 37:55.520 --> 37:56.520 And it's fucking crazy. 37:56.520 --> 37:57.520 Yes. 37:57.520 --> 37:59.520 And she got it. 37:59.520 --> 38:04.520 So what I basically said is all I'm asking for is a signal. 38:04.520 --> 38:10.520 And the signal has to be very clear that it has to stop the idea of 38:10.520 --> 38:13.520 grabbing it and taking it and using it and then paying someone off. 38:13.520 --> 38:14.520 It stops with me. 38:14.520 --> 38:16.520 And if you, if you're going to, you know, 38:16.520 --> 38:19.520 find them 5,000 euros, they're just going to go do it again. 38:19.520 --> 38:21.520 And I'll be back here next year. 38:21.520 --> 38:23.520 And the year after that, and someone else is going to be here. 38:23.520 --> 38:24.520 Yeah. 38:24.520 --> 38:26.520 And it's a stupid waste of time. 38:26.520 --> 38:27.520 It's stupid. 38:27.520 --> 38:28.520 And it's wrong. 38:28.520 --> 38:32.520 It's like getting on the train and not buying a ticket because, you know, 38:32.520 --> 38:34.520 if I get caught all I have to do is pay the ticket. 38:34.520 --> 38:38.520 But the whole thing was that they think they can do that to us, 38:38.520 --> 38:41.520 because no, I'm just in a second. 38:41.520 --> 38:43.520 So those are the facts. 38:43.520 --> 38:44.520 Yeah, I know. 38:44.520 --> 38:45.520 Okay. 38:45.520 --> 38:46.520 But they think that we want that. 38:46.520 --> 38:47.520 Yes. 38:47.520 --> 38:48.520 Okay. 38:48.520 --> 38:52.520 So a part of their, a part of their whole defense and argument there, 38:52.520 --> 38:56.520 was that throughout the years, we have always sought publicity. 38:56.520 --> 39:01.520 And that all we are about is about publicity and making money. 39:01.520 --> 39:02.520 That's what I said. 39:02.520 --> 39:03.520 Yeah. 39:03.520 --> 39:06.520 Which, of course, is true, but not in this context. 39:06.520 --> 39:07.520 But come on. 39:07.520 --> 39:10.520 We always did it in a very professional way. 39:10.520 --> 39:11.520 Of course, we're professional. 39:11.520 --> 39:12.520 Professional. 39:12.520 --> 39:13.520 Of course. 39:13.520 --> 39:18.520 And if we do something to start a new magazine or, you know, something that 39:18.520 --> 39:22.520 people want from us and we say, hey, you're going to earn a lot of money from this, 39:22.520 --> 39:23.520 let's talk. 39:23.520 --> 39:28.520 Yeah, because we make money with our brand, with our, with our face, with our talent, with our voice, you know, whatever. 39:28.520 --> 39:30.520 We have something to sell. 39:30.520 --> 39:32.520 And we're not supposed to have any business sense. 39:32.520 --> 39:35.520 I guess that's very foreign to the people like this. 39:35.520 --> 39:38.520 I don't think that we can have any business sense. 39:38.520 --> 39:39.520 Wow. 39:39.520 --> 39:41.520 So. 39:41.520 --> 39:44.520 I think we did pretty well. 39:44.520 --> 39:46.520 Yeah, on the, on the picture stuff, definitely. 39:46.520 --> 39:51.520 I mean, if I were, if I were to, I'm just thinking, because these, again, 39:51.520 --> 39:54.520 the judge may be going for some kind of compromise. 39:54.520 --> 39:58.520 I mean, what would be great is if, is if they came up with, 39:58.520 --> 40:02.520 if the judge came up with some kind, I mean, something to send to signal. 40:02.520 --> 40:05.520 If it's money or whatever it is, but something that really hurts, you know, 40:05.520 --> 40:07.520 something that makes a difference to that company. 40:07.520 --> 40:09.520 They have to do something. 40:09.520 --> 40:11.520 And I'm not looking for money for us. 40:11.520 --> 40:14.520 I'm just looking for a, you know, that's why I said, just fire this guy. 40:14.520 --> 40:18.520 Fire the editor and then the next editor will think twice about doing that shit. 40:18.520 --> 40:21.520 Is that simple? How hard somebody is to start with this? 40:21.520 --> 40:22.520 Yeah. 40:22.520 --> 40:24.520 About the Christina stuff. 40:24.520 --> 40:25.520 I don't know. 40:25.520 --> 40:27.520 They, I think they'll get a, a reprimand. 40:27.520 --> 40:29.520 I don't think they'll get anything else. 40:29.520 --> 40:31.520 I don't think they'll, I don't think they'll be any other. 40:31.520 --> 40:34.520 Any other sanctions there, anything, anything happening. 40:34.520 --> 40:37.520 Okay. But, you know, that's our feeling. 40:37.520 --> 40:40.520 And it is a scary feeling. 40:40.520 --> 40:42.520 Oh, yeah. No, totally. Totally. 40:42.520 --> 40:45.520 But, you know, what they said there is that, well, you've continuously put her in the limelight. 40:45.520 --> 40:48.520 And so, therefore, he's fair game. 40:48.520 --> 40:49.520 All right. 40:49.520 --> 40:52.520 Well, she belongs to us. You know, she walks next to us. 40:52.520 --> 40:53.520 Yeah. 40:53.520 --> 40:54.520 Yeah. 40:54.520 --> 40:56.520 It's, uh, it's crazy. But then then. 40:56.520 --> 40:59.520 And it's not going to stop us from doing nice things that we want to do. 40:59.520 --> 41:00.520 You know, that we like. 41:00.520 --> 41:03.520 But this guy blew it this, uh, this Mark guy. He blew it. 41:03.520 --> 41:05.520 Uh, when we were talking last night. 41:05.520 --> 41:09.520 Finally, what, what his name is, is, uh, he hates us. 41:09.520 --> 41:11.520 And I don't know why. 41:11.520 --> 41:13.520 You, you don't even know him. 41:13.520 --> 41:14.520 No. 41:14.520 --> 41:15.520 Did you ever talk to him? 41:15.520 --> 41:16.520 Uh, once. 41:16.520 --> 41:20.520 I met him, uh, when I came home, I remember I came home from work. 41:20.520 --> 41:23.520 One day, and you were being interviewed by him. 41:23.520 --> 41:26.520 And this is 20, you know, there's eight, 17 years ago. 41:26.520 --> 41:27.520 Was that him? 41:28.520 --> 41:29.520 In New Jersey. 41:29.520 --> 41:31.520 We just lived in New Jersey. 41:31.520 --> 41:32.520 Yeah. 41:32.520 --> 41:33.520 And 1718 years ago. 41:33.520 --> 41:38.520 I think Christina was, uh, just about four years old, three or four years old. 41:38.520 --> 41:39.520 Oh. 41:39.520 --> 41:42.520 And, uh, well, then he called me only 11 years ago. 41:42.520 --> 41:44.520 And he said, we're going to start a new magazine. 41:44.520 --> 41:48.520 Uh, or a new, we'll give it the new phase to avant garde. 41:48.520 --> 41:49.520 Was it? 41:49.520 --> 41:50.520 And do you want to do it? 41:50.520 --> 41:53.520 I have a feeling we're going to get to the bottom of why he hates us with this story. 41:53.520 --> 41:54.520 No, no, not at all. 41:54.520 --> 41:55.520 No, not at all. 41:55.520 --> 41:58.520 That's where I say, and I know him just a little bit. 41:58.520 --> 41:59.520 Okay. 41:59.520 --> 42:00.520 And, and said, who are you? 42:00.520 --> 42:01.520 Because we lived in America. 42:01.520 --> 42:02.520 I didn't know him. 42:02.520 --> 42:04.520 And he said, well, I'm actually a very good. 42:04.520 --> 42:06.520 I'm a real journalist. 42:06.520 --> 42:08.520 And I write books. 42:08.520 --> 42:09.520 I said, oh, how interesting. 42:09.520 --> 42:11.520 And what kind of book do you write? 42:11.520 --> 42:14.520 He says about the royal family. 42:14.520 --> 42:16.520 And I thought, well, that's nice. 42:16.520 --> 42:17.520 That's right. 42:17.520 --> 42:18.520 He's a royalty expert. 42:18.520 --> 42:19.520 Yes. 42:19.520 --> 42:20.520 And of course, it's why he follows us around. 42:20.520 --> 42:23.520 I just have a new book out of about, uh, 42:24.520 --> 42:26.520 Beatrix, Queen B. 42:26.520 --> 42:27.520 Queen B. 42:27.520 --> 42:28.520 And I said, well, that's nice. 42:28.520 --> 42:29.520 Sound for him. 42:29.520 --> 42:30.520 And he sounded very nice. 42:30.520 --> 42:31.520 And I invited him. 42:31.520 --> 42:32.520 And I said, well, let's sit down. 42:32.520 --> 42:35.520 I have a nice, uh, uh, uh, interview. 42:35.520 --> 42:36.520 And we did. 42:36.520 --> 42:37.520 And I was a bit disappointed about it. 42:37.520 --> 42:41.520 Because all the things that we agreed on, uh, he didn't do. 42:41.520 --> 42:44.520 You know, I always ask, uh, can I read it? 42:44.520 --> 42:46.520 And if there's anything that's a little bit cold, 42:46.520 --> 42:49.520 it's a little bit wrong or not my way of saying it. 42:49.520 --> 42:50.520 Can I change it? 42:50.520 --> 42:51.520 Sure. 42:51.520 --> 42:52.520 Sure. 42:52.520 --> 42:53.520 Never sent it, right? 42:53.520 --> 42:54.520 Well, he sent it. 42:54.520 --> 42:55.520 And I. 42:55.520 --> 42:56.520 You changed it. 42:56.520 --> 42:57.520 I remember that very clearly. 42:57.520 --> 42:58.520 Yeah. 42:58.520 --> 42:59.520 And they never changed. 42:59.520 --> 43:00.520 You remember what it was. 43:00.520 --> 43:01.520 And then it came out. 43:01.520 --> 43:02.520 I don't know. 43:02.520 --> 43:05.520 Well, the way a Christina was actually, uh, conceived. 43:05.520 --> 43:07.520 He said, in such a horrible way. 43:07.520 --> 43:09.520 And then I'm the cover. 43:09.520 --> 43:10.520 Wait a minute. 43:10.520 --> 43:11.520 What did I do? 43:11.520 --> 43:12.520 Well, what did I do? 43:12.520 --> 43:13.520 How? 43:13.520 --> 43:14.520 I said he's with Christmas. 43:14.520 --> 43:17.520 And he made a horrible sort of terrible line. 43:17.520 --> 43:19.520 You know, remember that? 43:19.520 --> 43:21.520 And that line was on the cover. 43:22.520 --> 43:25.520 Uh, just above Christina's head. 43:25.520 --> 43:28.520 Who was having, like, shag on Christmas. 43:28.520 --> 43:29.520 Created this. 43:29.520 --> 43:31.520 Something like that was really, really. 43:31.520 --> 43:33.520 You don't say that, especially above. 43:33.520 --> 43:34.520 Well, there you go. 43:34.520 --> 43:36.520 He doesn't understand what you ever know. 43:36.520 --> 43:37.520 No. 43:37.520 --> 43:40.520 He has no, if it's about Christina, he has no feeling. 43:40.520 --> 43:42.520 He has no idea about family life. 43:42.520 --> 43:43.520 Oh, my God. 43:43.520 --> 43:44.520 About family fail use. 43:44.520 --> 43:46.520 And that's how I know him. 43:46.520 --> 43:47.520 Right. 43:47.520 --> 43:49.520 And so you're pointing at me is freaking me out. 43:49.520 --> 43:53.520 And I called in and I said, why is that on the cover? 43:53.520 --> 43:58.520 And why did you pick that line and put that above my, my daughter's head? 43:58.520 --> 44:01.520 And, and he said, well, that's that, that is not my job. 44:01.520 --> 44:02.520 I didn't do that. 44:02.520 --> 44:03.520 It's got nothing to do with me. 44:03.520 --> 44:04.520 Oh, what an ass. 44:04.520 --> 44:05.520 And he was very nasty. 44:05.520 --> 44:06.520 And I started to cry. 44:06.520 --> 44:07.520 I was so disappointed. 44:07.520 --> 44:08.520 I don't remember that. 44:08.520 --> 44:09.520 I felt, I was in. 44:09.520 --> 44:10.520 Did you tell me that? 44:10.520 --> 44:12.520 If you told me that, I would have kicked his fucking ass. 44:12.520 --> 44:13.520 You didn't tell me that. 44:13.520 --> 44:16.520 I was in the studio with, uh, ho for the rose. 44:16.520 --> 44:17.520 He still knows that. 44:17.520 --> 44:18.520 Did you tell me that? 44:18.520 --> 44:21.520 Well, and I cried because I felt so. 44:21.520 --> 44:22.520 You humiliated. 44:22.520 --> 44:23.520 Yeah. 44:23.520 --> 44:24.520 Yeah. 44:24.520 --> 44:28.520 And I felt stupid that I fell for it. 44:28.520 --> 44:31.520 And, uh, so maybe he's just a mean nasty guy. 44:31.520 --> 44:32.520 No. 44:32.520 --> 44:36.520 So, um, that was the last thing I spoken to these years and years. 44:36.520 --> 44:39.520 It is about, uh, maybe 17 years. 44:39.520 --> 44:40.520 Yeah. 44:40.520 --> 44:41.520 What'd you said? 44:41.520 --> 44:42.520 18 years ago. 44:42.520 --> 44:43.520 So Christina wasn't born. 44:43.520 --> 44:44.520 That's not possible. 44:44.520 --> 44:45.520 She's only 15. 44:45.520 --> 44:47.520 So I couldn't have been that long. 44:48.520 --> 44:50.520 I think it must have been 12 years ago. 44:50.520 --> 44:51.520 12 years ago. 44:51.520 --> 44:52.520 12 years ago. 44:52.520 --> 44:53.520 Okay, that's it. 44:53.520 --> 44:55.520 Let's just play a song and then we'll get back to us. 44:55.520 --> 44:56.520 Let's just regroup for a song. 44:56.520 --> 44:58.520 And I never talked to him again. 44:58.520 --> 44:59.520 That was it. 44:59.520 --> 45:00.520 Should we wrap this up? 45:00.520 --> 45:01.520 Play a song and then we'll wrap it all up? 45:01.520 --> 45:02.520 Yeah. 45:02.520 --> 45:03.520 Or do you want to, or do you want to continue? 45:03.520 --> 45:04.520 Depends on? 45:04.520 --> 45:06.520 What do you guys listening want? 45:06.520 --> 45:07.520 What? 45:07.520 --> 45:08.520 I'm asking the listeners what they want. 45:08.520 --> 45:09.520 Oh, what they want. 45:09.520 --> 45:11.520 They're like, don't play another fucking shitty song from your 45:11.520 --> 45:13.520 Dampod Podsate music network. 45:13.520 --> 45:14.520 Yeah. 45:14.520 --> 45:15.520 What? 45:15.520 --> 45:17.520 But you'd like this one, huh? 45:17.520 --> 45:19.520 Have you asked Rock Chick? 45:21.520 --> 45:22.520 She'll like it. 45:22.520 --> 45:24.520 Hey, hey sister. 45:24.520 --> 45:26.520 Laura Clap. 45:26.520 --> 45:29.520 Hey, the moment that I knew 45:29.520 --> 45:32.520 I'm over half the screen 45:32.520 --> 45:34.520 Just sent a bad decision 45:34.520 --> 48:22.520 [ Music ] 48:22.520 --> 48:24.520 She's under self attack 48:24.520 --> 48:25.520 Up. 48:25.520 --> 48:27.520 She's under self attack 48:27.520 --> 48:28.520 Up. 48:28.520 --> 48:29.520 Up. 48:29.520 --> 48:30.520 Up. 48:30.520 --> 48:31.520 Up. 48:31.520 --> 48:32.520 Up. 48:32.520 --> 48:33.520 Up. 48:34.520 --> 48:35.520 To get kept in the trap 48:35.520 --> 48:37.520 Up. 48:37.520 --> 48:38.520 Up. 48:38.520 --> 48:39.520 With up. 48:39.520 --> 48:42.020 Up. 48:42.020 --> 48:42.520 Up. 48:42.520 --> 48:43.520 Up. 48:43.520 --> 48:45.520 Up. 48:46.520 --> 48:47.520 Up. 48:47.520 --> 48:48.520 Up. 48:48.520 --> 48:49.520 Up. 48:49.520 --> 48:50.520 Up. 48:50.520 --> 48:51.520 Up. 48:51.520 --> 48:53.520 Up. 48:53.520 --> 48:54.520 Up. 48:54.520 --> 48:56.520 Up. 48:56.520 --> 48:57.520 Up. 48:57.520 --> 48:59.520 Up. 48:59.520 --> 49:00.520 Up. 49:00.520 --> 49:01.520 Up. 49:01.520 --> 49:03.520 That's like the sheets in your ass. 49:03.520 --> 49:04.520 Oh my god. 49:04.520 --> 49:06.520 You know, this would, I'm so sorry. 49:06.520 --> 49:09.520 This would be very good song for Charlotte Church. 49:09.520 --> 49:10.520 Right. 49:10.520 --> 49:11.520 Oh, right on. 49:11.520 --> 49:13.520 Yeah, but she pulls it off, man. 49:13.520 --> 49:15.520 I mean, she sings it well, but. 49:15.520 --> 49:16.520 But screw it. 49:16.520 --> 49:18.520 Charlotte Church has nothing on this. 49:18.520 --> 49:19.520 No, but she could. 49:19.520 --> 49:20.520 No, no. 49:20.520 --> 49:21.520 Look, she's cute. 49:21.520 --> 49:22.520 Look. 49:22.520 --> 49:23.520 I know. 49:23.520 --> 49:24.520 But if she wants to sell the song. 49:24.520 --> 49:25.520 I like her. 49:25.520 --> 49:27.520 She looks badass. 49:27.520 --> 49:29.520 Charlotte is chunky. 49:29.520 --> 49:30.520 I know. 49:30.520 --> 49:32.520 I don't care. 49:32.520 --> 49:35.520 So what do you think Laura should give the song to the chunker? 49:35.520 --> 49:36.520 Look at her, man. 49:36.520 --> 49:37.520 She's great. 49:37.520 --> 49:38.520 That's all I say. 49:38.520 --> 49:39.520 That's old school. 49:39.520 --> 49:41.520 We are pod safe here. 49:41.520 --> 49:44.520 And we support the artists. 49:44.520 --> 49:45.520 Yes. 49:45.520 --> 49:46.520 And their careers. 49:46.520 --> 49:47.520 We don't need no stink and mainstream. 49:47.520 --> 49:48.520 Charlotte, chunky church. 49:48.520 --> 49:50.520 But she's not the England issue. 49:50.520 --> 49:52.520 That's what I'm saying. 49:52.520 --> 49:53.520 I'm bringing Laura Clapper. 49:53.520 --> 49:58.520 If she wants to sell, you know, if I put Laura Clapper on Jonathan Ross, 49:59.520 --> 50:00.520 Man, immediate overnight. 50:00.520 --> 50:01.520 Nobody knows her. 50:01.520 --> 50:03.520 So you wouldn't have to. 50:03.520 --> 50:04.520 I mean, to get on the show. 50:04.520 --> 50:05.520 Yes. 50:05.520 --> 50:06.520 To get on the show. 50:06.520 --> 50:07.520 Okay. 50:07.520 --> 50:08.520 But I got contacts. 50:08.520 --> 50:09.520 I'm connected, baby. 50:09.520 --> 50:10.520 You're talking about it. 50:10.520 --> 50:11.520 Okay. 50:11.520 --> 50:12.520 But she's great. 50:12.520 --> 50:13.520 True. 50:13.520 --> 50:14.520 Wonderful. 50:14.520 --> 50:16.520 And what a song. 50:16.520 --> 50:19.520 Let me just see if she wrote it on the show. 50:19.520 --> 50:20.520 I think she did. 50:20.520 --> 50:21.520 Let me say music. 50:21.520 --> 50:22.520 If she wrote it herself. 50:22.520 --> 50:23.520 Whoa. 50:23.520 --> 50:24.520 Oh. 50:24.520 --> 50:25.520 Hey. 50:25.520 --> 50:26.520 Sister. 50:26.520 --> 50:27.520 Shapo. 50:28.520 --> 50:30.520 I guess. 50:30.520 --> 50:32.520 What is simply? 50:32.520 --> 50:33.520 No. 50:33.520 --> 50:34.520 It doesn't say. 50:34.520 --> 50:37.520 Well, I mean, I don't have liner notes or anything here. 50:37.520 --> 50:38.520 Okay. 50:38.520 --> 50:39.520 She's got. 50:39.520 --> 50:40.520 Oh, man. 50:40.520 --> 50:41.520 Okay. 50:41.520 --> 50:42.520 Anyway. 50:42.520 --> 50:43.520 Very cool. 50:43.520 --> 50:44.520 You can find that the pot saved music network. 50:44.520 --> 50:45.520 I heard it on the pot show. 50:45.520 --> 50:46.520 Music rewind actually. 50:46.520 --> 50:47.520 That's where it's heard the song. 50:47.520 --> 50:48.520 It's a great place to pick up music. 50:48.520 --> 50:49.520 So to end the whole thing. 50:49.520 --> 50:50.520 Yes. 50:50.520 --> 50:51.520 To wind it all up. 50:51.520 --> 50:52.520 Somehow we pissed this guy off. 50:52.520 --> 50:53.520 Yeah. 50:53.520 --> 50:54.520 This guy. 50:54.520 --> 50:55.520 I don't know. 50:55.520 --> 50:57.520 I'm going to have to make him cry. 50:57.520 --> 50:58.520 Yeah. 50:58.520 --> 50:59.520 I have to make him cry. 50:59.520 --> 51:00.520 That was so disappointed. 51:00.520 --> 51:01.520 So I can cry. 51:01.520 --> 51:03.520 So stupid to fall for it. 51:03.520 --> 51:05.520 But anyway, after that, 51:05.520 --> 51:08.520 I actually never talk to him again. 51:08.520 --> 51:09.520 Because that's what I do. 51:09.520 --> 51:10.520 If I'm disappointed. 51:10.520 --> 51:11.520 Oh, well. 51:11.520 --> 51:13.520 He's just trying to get your attention. 51:13.520 --> 51:14.520 No, no, no, no, no. 51:14.520 --> 51:15.520 He doesn't. 51:15.520 --> 51:16.520 You know that. 51:16.520 --> 51:20.520 You know there's a whole different side on this whole story. 51:20.520 --> 51:22.520 And he just hates us. 51:22.520 --> 51:24.520 And he uses his magazine. 51:24.520 --> 51:26.520 You know, to get back to us. 51:26.520 --> 51:28.520 Or into irritators. 51:28.520 --> 51:29.520 That's all. 51:29.520 --> 51:30.520 Right. 51:30.520 --> 51:31.520 And which is fine. 51:31.520 --> 51:32.520 Because we've got podcasts. 51:32.520 --> 51:34.520 We've got all kinds of ways to do that. 51:34.520 --> 51:36.520 By the way, I don't spend a lot of time doing. 51:36.520 --> 51:38.520 Because we have other fish to fry. 51:38.520 --> 51:39.520 But that's fine. 51:39.520 --> 51:40.520 You can do whatever you want. 51:40.520 --> 51:42.520 But he can't break the law. 51:42.520 --> 51:43.520 And you know. 51:43.520 --> 51:46.520 And let me just tell you, wouldn't it be funny if the judge says, 51:46.520 --> 51:47.520 Well, it was confusing. 51:47.520 --> 51:49.520 I mean, this is a Yahoo company. 51:49.520 --> 51:51.520 I mean, this would be big fucking news 51:51.520 --> 51:53.520 if the creative comments doesn't stick. 51:53.520 --> 51:54.520 I have to get that. 51:54.520 --> 51:55.520 Well, she can be legendary. 51:55.520 --> 51:57.520 She can be legendary by saying, you know what? 51:57.520 --> 52:00.520 This shit has to stop and it's important that we send out a message. 52:00.520 --> 52:02.520 And we, and we listen, we do it. 52:02.520 --> 52:03.520 We do it. 52:03.520 --> 52:05.520 If we're Warner Brothers records. 52:05.520 --> 52:06.520 We do it. 52:06.520 --> 52:07.520 If we're, we're universal pictures. 52:07.520 --> 52:08.520 We do it. 52:08.520 --> 52:09.520 If we're Microsoft. 52:09.520 --> 52:10.520 Yeah. 52:10.520 --> 52:11.520 But what if those guys do it to us? 52:11.520 --> 52:14.520 Then all of a sudden they can, they can get away with it for just a pay off. 52:14.520 --> 52:15.520 No, no, no, no, no. 52:15.520 --> 52:18.520 This, this is a legendary case. 52:18.520 --> 52:19.520 Legendary. 52:19.520 --> 52:22.520 If she does it, this could set big, big jurisprudence. 52:22.520 --> 52:23.520 And Europe, at least. 52:23.520 --> 52:24.520 Now it would be really important. 52:24.520 --> 52:25.520 Seriously. 52:25.520 --> 52:28.520 Let's make a picket line outside the point. 52:28.520 --> 52:29.520 Okay. 52:29.520 --> 52:31.520 Why don't you go start hammering the signs. 52:31.520 --> 52:33.520 You start drawing them and I'll hammer up the wood. 52:33.520 --> 52:34.520 Hey, baby. 52:34.520 --> 52:35.520 Thanks for coming on the show. 52:35.520 --> 52:37.520 I love it so much when you're on the show. 52:37.520 --> 52:38.520 Thank you. 52:38.520 --> 52:39.520 Yes, today. 52:39.520 --> 52:40.520 You did a good job. 52:40.520 --> 52:41.520 Oh, well, it's my pleasure. 52:41.520 --> 52:42.520 That's my pleasure. 52:42.520 --> 52:43.520 That's my pleasure. 52:43.520 --> 52:44.520 Because it's big too much. 52:44.520 --> 52:45.520 Fuck it. 52:45.520 --> 52:46.520 That's not for, that's his man's job. 52:46.520 --> 52:47.520 Men gotta go out. 52:47.520 --> 52:48.520 It's like, you know. 52:48.520 --> 52:49.520 It's not good for my heart. 52:49.520 --> 52:50.520 No, no, no, no, no, no. 52:50.520 --> 52:51.520 Not good at all. 52:51.520 --> 52:54.520 No, I mean, it's a pain in the ass, but I do with a great pleasure. 52:54.520 --> 52:56.520 Because I gotta defend you guys somewhere. 52:56.520 --> 52:57.520 And I have to defend. 52:57.520 --> 53:02.520 I have to defend intellectual property across the vast internet. 53:02.520 --> 53:03.520 Well, everybody. 53:03.520 --> 53:06.520 God bless the internet. 53:06.520 --> 53:08.520 And the freedom for which it represents. 53:08.520 --> 53:09.520 It stands or something like that. 53:09.520 --> 53:10.520 I gotta work on the speech. 53:10.520 --> 53:11.520 Okay. 53:11.520 --> 53:12.520 I love not. 53:12.520 --> 53:13.520 Okay. 53:13.520 --> 53:14.520 I need a break now. 53:14.520 --> 53:15.520 Yeah, no. 53:15.520 --> 53:16.520 Okay. 53:16.520 --> 53:17.520 Let's have a cup of tea. 53:17.520 --> 53:18.520 Okay. 53:18.520 --> 53:19.520 I love you, baby. 53:19.520 --> 53:20.520 I love you too. 53:20.520 --> 53:22.520 Another pod show pod guest. 53:22.520 --> 53:23.520 Stick it in your ear.