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Delta Sierra Charlie 346

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$16 million worth of airplane
strapped my ass

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Then the next generation radio
content in my ears

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I like to think I'm flying into
the future

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You've seen the video!

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Somebody told me you're a San
Francisco

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Turn it off now, turn it off now

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Anyone here at all

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Jeff Smith, changing the music
business before your very eyes

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Not on the radio, perfect Friday
song, you saw the

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Stupid mixer, you saw the video,
yesterday on the very first

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Victor Mike Charlie, the video
music cast, which I did

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Had a lot of fun doing that,
it's been a while since I've

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Messed around with video editing
programs, last time was during
our

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Reality show, so I'm used to
looking at different things,
mainly high

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Quality, and of course when
we're looking at smaller screens

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That's a little less critical,
learn an incredible amount

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First of all, man, just to put
together a seven minute video

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Two hours, everything all
combined, that's a lot of work

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It's more work than a podcast

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I used I'm movie, of course I
love the Mac for video editing

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It does very well, audio editing
as well

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Still using cast blaster as my
playout system for recording the
show

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Lots of feedback, first of all,
it seems like it struck a chord
with just about everybody

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I think that Jeff and his family
did such an incredible job on
that video

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And the song, it's just, it's a
hit, you know, here's a guy who
doesn't have a record

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He has a record coming out, you
know, which will be a collection
of just, he has tons of songs in
the

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Podsave music network, he's the
guy behind the Metro sexual
moment

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Which we'll hear later today,
Trinity, Roger Smalls, and even
sent me a little surprise

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Which I'll share with you in
just a bit

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This is great, you know, I was
listening to that whole music
conference that I pointed out on

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Curry.com yesterday and I'm
going to just have to do a whole
separate show about it

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I want to have a couple of
artists, so I maybe just do our
own little round table and have
a conversation about this stuff

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Because I heard so many things
that I agreed with and so many
things

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I strongly disagree with and
there were some things that were
just completely overlooked

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The number one interesting point
I thought of that entire
discussion is the podcast hotel

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Which I'm sorry, I couldn't be
at it. It sounds like it was
going to be great

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I think they're coming to San
Francisco soon, so I hope to
make that one

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You know, everyone kind of
glossed over the PROs, you know,
the performing rights
organizations like ASCAP BMI

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And that's really where the the
problem for podcasters start and
there was so little conversation
about that

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There was a lot of intertwined
conversation about

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Royalties about mechanical
rights about distribution about
sales and somewhere interwoven
with that is also the performing
rights

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Organizations who want to charge
money, so it was just it was a
good conversation, but man, I
wish I'd been there

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My bad, I just couldn't make it.
Okay, so back to the video for a
second

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Besides all these great comments
from everybody

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There were some some negative
comments and which was to be
expected. I'm a glad I got them

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And it was really surrounding
the choice of format. I
basically just, you know, took
eye movie and you know, there's
an expert export option and
there was iPod

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So I just selected iPod of
course

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Who is it Chris Taylor was one
of the many people to point out
that you know, this is H264

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Codec and it's only slightly
more useless than windows media
video

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And he makes several suggestions

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Let's see the suggestions he
says that will work on as many
devices as possible is either
divix

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I have to beg to differ on the
divix because that won't play
out of the box on a quick time
player

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Exivid MP1 MP2

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Or if you want direct iPod
support MP4, so not the M4 V I
guess. Okay, so on the next

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Victor Mike Charlie L. I'll make
sure I do a better job of
choosing the format

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I totally agree with that by the
way and there's lots to discuss
about

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About digital rights management,
but really about formats and and
lock-in

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Gosh, I never thought we'd have
to have this conversation, but
it is definitely coming

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We have to be very very careful
and support MP3 to the max as
much as we can and continue to
support it

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And be very well we'll get to
that later on. This got there so
much. This is going to be a long
show

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Probably already seen in your in
your podcast catcher or iTunes
whatever you're using or maybe
just in a quick time player or
real real player

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I mean this this thing will play
and everything right you
probably seem to long show, but
it's jam pack of excellent
feedback

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Two pieces about the flicker
trial

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Again for people who are
following this March 9th which
is next what Wednesday Thursday

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Is when we get the judgment and
we find out how we did again two
pieces to this case one is

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The theft of my pictures from
flicker which we're listed as
non commercial use only in the
creative comments on the flicker
site

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They said that they they said
that the line you know this
picture is public meant to them
that they could use it and
publish it for profit

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And the other one is
endangerment of my child

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So two pieces of feedback on
that now

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And then can you tell us your
one time listening to the first
time listening to your feedback

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I've been listening with a lot
of interest to the upcoming
trial or loss of their

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You've filed with this tabloid
that's misused or ripped off
your flicker images

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And it occurred to me when
you're talking the other day
about how they had used the word
public as their excuse for it

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But you didn't mention anything
regarding the virus terms
service

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So we're not there had a look at
their site and or super
purchased by Yahoo this is no
Yahoo services service

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There's actually some notes up
there if you have a look
regarding copywriting or
contacting the copyright agent
if any misuse of materials is
occurring on their site

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Or I think from their site as
well

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So perhaps a nice kind of season
the sister from them or
something at least backing up
that word public

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Can't be interpreted in that way
from you know a big mega
corporation

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Anyway, hope that helps. Good
luck with their lawsuit love
your show

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You can check out my blog at
www.gamebasekey.com

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Dude don't record those in the
while you're washing doing your
laundry. Okay. It doesn't help
the sound quality

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Okay, so I'm pretty sure that
will win the you know, but that
will will be ruled in our favor
about the the theft of the
pictures the question of courses

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You know, so what are the
damages and we went through this
on previous Charlie's we talked
about what those damages could
be

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What we actually submitted is
what we have to find out how
much money they made first to
determine how much of that extra
profit that they made off of our
pictures we want to take

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And we want to be on 110,000
euros as an advance on those
damages

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But of course, you have to
quantify and that well we went
through that whole discussion of
what is a picture worth
according to the magazine a
picture published on the
internet is worth nothing

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So if let's say the judge rules
against me against us

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In that particular instance,
well, then of course, I'm going
to take it as far as I can go
because that is very important
for the internet in general and
for the millions of flicker
users

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And we know the guys at Yahoo,
so I'm sure that won't be a
problem to to get into the right
places there and have them make
a statement about it

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So we'll just have to see

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It never ceases to amaze me what
kind of people listen to this
show. I love it. I really do all
kinds of ages, all kinds of
vocations

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And when you get into legal
matters, you know it, even I
have lawyers listening

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Hello, do you have a lawyer
here?

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Hey Adam, this is Todd from the
Jersey Todd show.

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As you know, I've been a fan of
the trolley for a long time and
I've been extremely interested
in listening to you talk about
your court case

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As a practicing trial lawyer, I
actually think it's kind of fun
to hear what your perception of
what happened at your recent
hearing

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You see, there are a lot of
times when I listen to other
podcasts and I feel like I'm
completely on the outside

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I'm not a radio or entertainment
guy, my show doesn't have crazy
production

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I know nothing about computers
to be as real

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And you know, I really don't
know anybody in the
entertainment industry to name
drop

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However, when you start talking
about trial law, well now you're
in my dog pound

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Uh-huh, first let me say I know
nothing about the Dutch legal
system or its legal community

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I did spend a fun night at the
Bulldog and Amsterdam before law
school

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But more on point, I'm pretty
amazed on how fast your claim
had gotten to a hearing

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In the US something like this
would have really taken years
before there's any kind of
substantive decision

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So if everyone had already
agreed to the facts, I actually
think that it's pretty cool that
it moved along like it did

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Well, let me just address that
for a second first of all, dude

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Next time you go to the Bulldog
call me, I'll make sure you get
something from the special menu

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Um, second

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Uh, so the main differences with
the Dutch court and please
really think about this

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We have no jury system, there's
no jury to address

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Only professional judges and
when they run out of judges
because the courts are busy
which happens all the time

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Then they revert to back up
judges who are lawyers who work
at commercial law firms

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So I think that's a difficult
system to comprehend coming from

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Coming from the US and of course
the UK has a similar system to
the US

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Um, we requested a special
procedure called the Court
Hadding which means a short
procedure

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Brilliant and you can do that in
certain instances and the reason
we saw this procedure and the
reason it was granted to us was
because

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There was endangerment to our
child the magazine doesn't just
stay on the rack

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You know, just it isn't
available only for that week,
you know, it winds up in
something

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In Holland, they have something
very interesting. It's called
the lace mappa

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And essentially for a reduced
fee you can buy a bundle you can
rent a bundle of magazines

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Which are second hand and so a
week after all magazines are
published they get they get
bought up by these

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Uh, by these distributors who
distribute these collections of
magazines

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And so you'll pay maybe, you
know, let's just say 10 bucks a
month or whatever and every week

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You'll get your package of
magazines and then at the end of
the month or the end of the week

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You put them back in their
folder and the guy picks it up
gives you the new one

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And that one gets passed on to
the next family who's going to
read that for a price of maybe
six euros

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And it goes on so down the line
until the magazine is pretty
much been spent after eight to
ten weeks

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And then it winds up in the

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In the barber shop in the hair
salon

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Which was funny because the
judge actually said that she
believed that these magazines
didn't show up in her hair salon

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And my lawyer is one of my
lawyers bald

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So I said well, you know, I
think we should stop about here
because we're way unbalanced on
this side of the table

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Anyway

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So

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Because there was endangerment
of the child

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And we requested a recall of
these magazines to get them out
of these collections

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They gave us, you know, this
court time in a short time frame

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Which still was more than, you
know, almost three weeks from
when we started to file all this
stuff now

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Just going back to the previous
comment, of course we sent a
cease and desist and demand
letter before we took him to
court

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But that's when those guys came
back and said, oh well, yeah,
maybe we did take your pictures

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Well, here's 1500 bucks, you
know, you should just take that
and be happy and shut up

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Okay, let's move on

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In the US, I guess we call a
motion for summary judgment
where there are no material
facts and dispute

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And it's just a question of law

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In that situation a judge can
decide the matter on a motion
from either party

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And that motion would be
dispositive of the whole case

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However, I think that there are
some things that are universal
to trial law

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Regardless of if it happens in
Dutch court or in the US court

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And there are some universal
things to having a client and
being a lawyer

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So Adam, as a former law clerk
to a superior court judge, a
former deputy attorney general

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And a current ambulance, Chaser
carrying all of the 300 active
litigation files

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Would you care to join me on a
tour behind the scenes?

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Take me there, buddy

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First, the judge could care less
whether or not you had your
green contacts in, your blue
contacts in

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Or whether or not your hair was
nice

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The judge has seen a lot worse
and a lot better than you

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Oh, I totally disagree, first of
all, I revert back to the fact
that these are professional
judges

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So you always want to be at your
best

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I think by the way, the fact
that the defendant, the editor
in chief Mark von The Linde

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Who said he couldn't come
because he fell down in less
skiing and hurt his knee

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And of course, the same night he
was on television, via phone

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It was not in person but via
phone

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Even saying that, oh, my knee is
much better

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And the curries are horrible
parents and all kinds of nasty
things

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That does not bode well

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I know I've been through these
procedures before where

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The defendant did not show up
and the judge's a little, he
said, well, he doesn't seem to
think it's important

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It does matter, it really,
really, really does matter in
the Dutch court certainly with
celebrity

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It matters because people are
influenced, you know, this judge
knows who I am

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She knows who my wife is, she
has preconceived notions

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And I have to, you know, she may
think, I'm an ambulance chair

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So dude, then I'm just trying,
you know, I had to say things
like, hey, in the 20 years we've
been married

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And we've been together and in
the public eye we've never sued
a gossip magazine for anything

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That she does not know

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So I disagree and I think that
it does make a difference and
being respectful and

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Both to the court, to the judge
and to the process I think is
really important

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And with that comes dress code

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There's a reason why lawyers
have to wear this, you know, in
Holland, the lawyers have, they
don't have to wear the wigs like
they do in the UK

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But they wear a black dress with
a, you know, white little thingy
mobabi

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So there's dress code, you know,
so with that comes blue contact
lenses

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In fact, I always remind clients
about their non-verbal
communication with the court

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The judge saw everything that
went on from the moment you and
your adversary walked in the
door

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So unless your name is Anna
Nicole Smith, it really didn't
matter how you look

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Well, dude, the judge was
female, okay, so I think Anna
Nicole Smith would not have been
advantages

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But she was female, somewhere
between my age and Patricia's
age

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And I think it does make a
matter, it matters difference,
make it whatever

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Dude, I think the judge asked
you a fair question when she
asked what exactly is the remedy
here

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Remember, criminal courts are
set up to punish, where civil
courts are set up to make an
injured party whole

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As I've said on my podcast and
and basically to anybody that
will listen

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The R I double A has been
pulling a fast one on everyone

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Yeah, the damages that they are
seeking in cases where they're
seeking like 150 large

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It's ridiculous because they've
already set the market price of
99 cents per song

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This is exactly what I told the
judge and and this it came at
exactly the right moment

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Where she was taking a fence
while taking a fence, she was
questioning my use of words like
theft and and you know

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A huge disservice to
intellectual property at large

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You know I said hey man, it's
the same words that the R I A a
uses and what is their song
worth 99 cents

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So what's my picture worth?

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Okay, let's see what else you
have to say about that so in
those cases if somebody were to
swipe a song or even a hundred
songs

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The basis for damages should
only be 99 cents

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Now I'm not saying if that
somebody was a distributor of of
you know unlicensed music and
they're you know putting up
their own network and
distributing it to a lot of
people

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Yeah, I think those people
should be punished and I think
that punitive damages would be
appropriate

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But to the average person who
swipes a song the value of a
song is 99 cents

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But that's that's a discussion
for another day

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Okay, I mean other one of these
things these five minute
comments another day

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Sure, what amount of money will
make you feel better about what
happened in the situation?

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All the court ultimately has
jurisdiction over

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Is maybe the judge can have them
write a retraction maybe an
apology and the judge will
ultimately award you money

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But as far as the judge ordering
someone to be fired or amagging
to be put at it

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Hold on a second. I never asked
that the court to fire him when
these guys offered me 1500 euros

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I said you know what he is my
counter offer my counter offer
is I didn't say fire him I said

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You know dismiss him from his
function as chief editor and
that'll send a strong message to
the other chief editors

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That they just have to watch
their peas and cubes. I didn't
say fire him. That was my
counter offer. They should have
taken it because now I'm going
to crush them like a little bug

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Or even for them to provide you
free cases of sensial for the
rest of your life and ain't
gonna happen

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So you may have put so much
pressure on the magazine
internally that they may have to
choose to fire someone that was
involved with this situation

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But certainly what this is
accomplished is that they're
gonna get a lump of coal in
their stocking the next time
their Christmas bonus comes
around

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Yeah, that is actually true. I
know that for a fact and that is
one of the main motivators is I
know that the publisher outducks
owned by a reformed family in
the Netherlands who clearly
support non-family values have
no morals

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I know that they sent when they
hired this guy they said and
whatever you do no lawsuits

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So that's why this guy is all
freaked out is because I'm
attacking him personally

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I'm putting their magazine in
the shady light that it belongs
currently they can change

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So they probably will get a lump
of coal, but again, and I extend
this offer

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And I know they listen because
they have transcripts of this
show transcripts of the show
calling me a drug user

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Okay, so they said some things
that were true

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Transcripts of the show they
listen to it again

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We can drop the whole thing if
you say that you were wrong and
you are removing this guy from
his position as editor and chief

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That's it then we're all done
then and and I will start out to
drop everything. It's that
simple it is that simple and
believe me

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Just like you guys, I have
enough money to continue the
fight

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Particularly because it's
personal as well

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Third, here's the one that's
going to blow you away

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Generally, I think the judge
knew exactly what direction she
was going to go in before you or
any of the lawyers walked into
the court

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I spent an entire year
researching and writing
decisions for a brilliant judge
here in New Jersey

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And most of the time he would
push me to find research to back
up what he was thinking

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And we would just go out and on
the bench to confirm everything

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Sometimes I knew exactly the way
he would rule and write it up
the right way before he even
told me to

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Look my boss is a former newer
cop that became a judge

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If I goofed it up he'd have me
doing pushups in the hallway

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But my point is at him that the
judge knew exactly what way she
wanted to go and really was just
looking for justification

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When I go up to the belt of
vision or I have to do with a
panel of judges

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I generally can tell whether or
not I'm screwed

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So this really brings me to my
last point. Wait before you get
there. Okay

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I agree with you

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I think this judge did have a
preconceived notion as to what
the suit about and how it was
going to work and how it was
going to fit together

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And I think that I was prepared
for that and then I almost
automatically gravitated towards
explaining what this was really
about

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And why I was here and why I was
taking my time away from my
family, from my job, from my
colleagues, from my art, from my
fun

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From my country

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And I think that that was you
know, that's when I got to the
tipping point and hopefully I
was able to convince her that
this was about something else

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Then she came in with so I do
agree with you there

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But I'm very happy that she
appeared open-minded and really
opened up to what I was trying
to communicate

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And there comes a point in every
lawyer's career where they've
reached that old crap moment

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Over the years I've represented
many, many clients that have
chosen to use my voice in my
time in a way that makes me
absolutely no sense to me

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And absolutely has no basis in
reality

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I still got a couple of files
like that

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I mean, I've had files so bad
that they bark when I walk into
court

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And I think the position that
the lawyers are in for the
magazine are really in that old
crap moment

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Yeah, no, I agree with you there
on the old crap moment

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This guy was totally befuddled
and flustered, didn't know how
the internet worked

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The magazine doesn't know how
the internet works

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And if you're listening to this
podcast on serious stars 103, I
invite you to come back to
Monday for more source code or
go to dailysourceco.com to
download the rest of this great
conversation

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Okay, they're gone, let's
continue

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There are attorneys certainly
sound like they are and I kind
of feel bad for them

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They've been putting that
position like a train seal and
now we're just trying to bark
like a lawyer

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I mean, I'm not into making
predictions or anything, but it
sounds like the hearing itself
went well

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I guess it really depends on
what remedies are available to
the judge if she were to find
your way, which it sounds like
she's going to

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Now, it certainly sounds like
she has all the ammunition she
needs and it'll be fun to see
what she does

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Now, I can't send you a bill for
this point two of billable time

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However, considering how cheap
my rates are, let's just say we
can settle up in one special DSC
way

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A promo

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Hold on a second, my brother

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Your promo as I see here is
going to last 26 seconds

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I'm sorry, you clearly have my
rates confused with your rates

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Uh-uh, Jersey Todd

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Um, you owe me another three
comments at least

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That's right, come on, you
Charlie heads

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When you're done listening to
the chat chat, come on over to
the Jersey Todd Show at
www.jutotshow.com

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And check out my show where I
play some of the best unheard
podsafe music and go off on some
pretty good rants myself

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I don't add them since I'm not a
pilot, I can't say tailwinds,
but I have never get into boat
once or twice around Jersey

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So all I can say is keep you
right on the right returning

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And well, now back to your
regularly scheduled Charlie

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Thanks buddy, the chat chat,
okay, so I'll I'll take off one
audio comment

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You'll only only two more
fantastic really appreciate the
feedback dude

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It's good to it's funny how that
works isn't it how you send in
this audio comment

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And I can actually have the
conversation with you, I don't
know

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Somehow it just works

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Yesterday I had quite a rant
about the EFF

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Talking about John Perry Barlow
and Cory Doctro

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And I guess the Charlie's
reaching far and wide now

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Because on previous things like
the podsafe music network terms
he didn't hear

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But now people are passing stuff
on to him and that's cool

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So the reach is spreading out
like an ugly ass oil stain

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And Cory fired me back in email

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And I asked him if he would put
it into an audio comment which
he did and I really appreciate
it

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Let's listen to his feedback
which is very interesting

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On the inside workings of the
electronic frontier foundation

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Hi Adam, it's Cory Doctro

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Someone just forwarded me a
piece from one of your recent
podcasts

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And you were talking about what
EFF doesn't do

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I don't work for EFF anymore, I
haven't since the New Year

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But I thought I would clarify a
little what it is EFF doesn't do

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Just from an inside perspective

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I understand I'm not really
speaking for EFF here

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I don't work for them anymore

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But I do think I have a pretty
good sense of some of the
process that goes into choosing
cases

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EFF's got a bunch of different
briefs

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It's got a lobbying side, it's
got an activist in campaigning
side

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And it's got a legal side

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The legal side gets a lot of
requests for legal help

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But it only takes on a small
number of those

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It's because EFF's legal
strategy is impact litigation

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That means taking on court cases
that set or break precedence in
the US legal system

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So that means EFF doesn't defend
individuals

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whose cases aren't going to set
a binding precedent by and large

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I think they're probably been
exceptions

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But EFF isn't a legal defense
clinic

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It has a list of cooperating
attorneys

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These are attorneys who sue or
defend people on a low-cost or
pro-bono basis

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And the legal intake staff at
EFF circulates cases that EFF
can't take to those people

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Sometimes EFF helps out with
those people as well

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Giving them expert advice and
amicus briefs and so on

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EFF is an impact litigation
organization

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Which means that it chooses the
cases that turn its members
donations

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Into the largest impact on the
laws that will govern the
internet as possible

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There really aren't enough
donations in the world to defend
every individual who gets bone
by the system

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But if you pick the right case,
you can win precedence that
affect millions of individuals

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For example, when EFF won the
Bernstein case and legalized
crypto

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It was nice to have defended Dan
Bernstein

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He was a mathematician who was
getting a shot from the feds

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But the important outcome wasn't
that Dan got to publish

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It was everyone's right to use
crypto that came as a result of
this

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That's enabled every commerce
transactions taking place on the
web since

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Not to mention all the Chinese
dissidents and others who
benefited from access to privacy
technology

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Okay, hold on one second. I just
got a jump in here

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So, understood

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And I know a little bit more
about the EFF

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So here's what appears to me

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First of all, the curry versus
MTV networks lawsuit is pointed
to

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In the legal community as
jurisprudence

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It was the first

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That I'm aware of the first
large-scale domain name dispute

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And I think even reference by
EFF as a case that provides
jurisprudence

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So I think and this is really my
feeling about the EFF

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It's not about anyone personally
but just the EFF and it's an
organization

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And often any type of
organization that defends you or
helps you

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There's always going to be
people who fall on the edges

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I feel that I do fall on the
edge

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So the review process of what
can be jurisprudence

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I don't see how a lawsuit
between MTV networks and an
individual

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Over domain name

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Which involves a brand and a
trademark and you know possible

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Random act complications or
references

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Maybe I'm not a lawyer

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You know I can't see how that is
not a

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A case that would be interesting
to the EFF

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What I think instead happened
was they said oh it's the MTV
guy

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It's MTV and it's some dispute
something else

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And I didn't look into it and
wouldn't listen to the story

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Now granted when I met John
Perry Barlow and discussed this

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You're both pretty stunned so
maybe I didn't communicate very
well

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I certainly didn't send off any
letter to anyone

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I just thought he would be able
to communicate

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He seemed to understand at the
time but of course we were
understanding lots of stuff at
the time

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So I think there is kind of a
double standard

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It seems like EFF always wants
to come up for the little guy

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As long as he's a scientist, a
mathematician, a student

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Someone who has no apparent
financial means to bring a suit
themselves

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And I think that's an
overestimation of what
celebrities might be able to
afford

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Or people who, yeah the
celebrities in general

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When you see someone who's
certainly in the 90's still

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If you had to take celebrities
and we know that celebrities can
be total losers from some
reality show

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Maybe I am just a total loser
for some reality show

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I think there is a double
standard there and that people
are judged

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Not by what the importance of
their case

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But often just by appearances

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It's a very human thing but I
think the review process of
which cases are taken on

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Should be looked at. Let's just
continue because Corey has some
more

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And by the way this is I love
this

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And Corey wanted everyone to
know up front that he has some
kind of weird thing with his
microphone

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He's aware of it and we couldn't
get it fixed

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It doesn't bother me so let's
listen to some more of Corey
Doctoro

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I don't really know the
specifics of either the MTV case

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Or the current case you've got
involving your flicker photo

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And I'm not a lawyer so I can't
really comment on the moment

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In any depth.

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Hold on. I don't think that
you're looking Corey

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I think you should know this

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Isn't this the kind of stuff you
write about?

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Isn't that what you do on boy
and boy?

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Yeah we get all the funny
stories

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Isn't this an important one as
well?

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Yeah a magazine taking pictures
off of flicker

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Even though they have the
creative comments license which
you advocate so much

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This is important you should
know about this stuff

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You know this I think is exactly
the stuff that you should be
involved

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And whether you have anything to
do with the EFF or not

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Or some insight into the
calculus that goes into EFF
choosing the case

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And the right thing to do there
isn't to look at whether or not
EFF is on your side

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But whether winning for your
side creates lasting overarching
changes in the league

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Okay so there you go. I think
that winning and beating out

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Violators of the creative
commons license

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Who are probably going to get
away with just a slap on the
wrist

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I think could be something that
would have jurisprudence

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No system which is EFF's brief

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Some considerations to figure
out whether that's the case

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Well if cases are fact intensive
and likely to require a jury

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EFF isn't likely to take them
because juries don't make
binding precedent

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Well that's great because we
have no juries in this case

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We can check that box. There we
go

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Decision that a jury hands down

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Doesn't necessarily get honored
by the next jury or the next
court

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If a case hinges on areas of law
that are settled

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Where it's been proven out that
the law's constitutional as bad
as it is

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It's unlikely EFF's going to
take it

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Because in that case the only
way you can change that law is
to actually get a new law passed

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And EFF will likely be working
with other organizations on the
hill

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That work to introduce new laws
and overturn old ones using non
litigation strategies

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Okay, so in this case then
obviously EFF couldn't help me
because it's only for the United
States

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And not for any other countries.
Okay got it

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And finally if a case is likely
to be settled out of court

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Chances are EFF won't be
interested in taking it because
of course

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If you settled not a court you
don't make a precedent

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Okay, and of course I have said
that I would set a lot of court

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But I would lovingly take that
back if I had you know all the
help in the world of big
intelligence smart

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You know organizations like EFF
so I you know doesn't this is
not about money

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It really isn't it's about where
are the boundaries for the
little guy when it comes to
intellectual property theft

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And where are the boundaries of
endangerment of a child which is
not really EFF's mantra I
understand that

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None of this is hidden or
obscure by EFF

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But it is a pretty subtle point
and I think a lot of people who
aren't experts in this kind of
activism miss it

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I certainly wasn't really clear
on it until I started working
for the organization

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None of this is because EFF
doesn't want justice for
individuals

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EFF is an impact litigation
organization and it tries to
turn small donations into big
wins

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And that means hard by hard done
by individual sometimes don't
get help by the organization

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But EFF's cooperating attorneys
list is very large and often
does find counsel for those who
need it

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EFF does have a commitment to
justice for as many people as it
can manage

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But as I say the only way that
it can choose how to prioritize
is on which bang will be the
biggest one for its litigation
bucks are more importantly

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The litigation bucks that people
like you and me have donated to
them

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So I hope that clarifies things
I'll just mention in closing
that is Barlow is still involved
with the organization has been

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Since the founding as far as I
know he was a founder and he's
still on the board of work and a
board of directors

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I think he's been on a
continuous lay. I'm maybe he's
taken a year off here or there

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Does he still have that awesome
bud? He's been around for 16
years

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And I'm pretty proud and pleased
to call him a friend

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So I hope that was helpful.
Thanks a lot. Have a great day.

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No, Cory, thank you very much. I
really appreciate it and

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Dude, official friend of the
Charlie come on back anytime you
want, send it an audio comment
about anything

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And shoot, I'll even ask Jeff
Smith to make up a little jingle
for you

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Oh man, this is going to be a
long one, but there's so much
good stuff still to come

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I hope you don't you know that
take your finger off of that
fast forward button don't do
that

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Podcast 4 on one this week
featuring Michael Butler the
rock and roll geek show a lot of
ass kissing my way

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But a pretty good show. Make
sure you catch it.

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Hey Adam, this is Mark from zero
gravity radio in Kansas City,
Missouri

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And I proclaim this weekend to
be a pod save music weekend

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Matthew evil and Laura clap

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We'll be performing at club in
the talk on the third and the
fourth of March

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That's Friday and Saturday at
eight o'clock

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And the address to Barbara
Natasha is 1911 Main Street in
Kansas City, Missouri

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Phone number down there if you
need directions is 816-472-533

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And I hope to get everybody from
Kansas City to come down in
support

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Matthew and Laura and pod save
music down at Barbara Natasha

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Fill the place up and it'll be a
blast and Adam

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You wish you were here with us

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Oh man, let me tell you if I was
in San Francisco this weekend

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I would have gotten on a plane
to come to see this show

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Just to hang out with that group
of people that sounds so awesome

36:53.000 --> 36:57.000
Laura clap might the new love of
my life are you kidding me?

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And then lighter flicking

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Oh man, it's not that being here
at the cottage is bad by the way

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Patricia and I have some nasty
stuff planned for this weekend

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Speaking of nasty

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Adam, it's Angie, long time to
see

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So love spirals are starting to
book some shows and support of
our new CD

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And I was thinking how cool it
would be to have a pod safe
music network

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Presents Love Spiral Show with
say a few other payment-related
bands in our style

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We'd love to play in San Fran,
man

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And it'd be fun to do intimate
performance at pod your
headquarters as well

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So let's chat about the
possibilities

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I got some intimate performance
ideas at the headquarters, baby

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You know what, this is a good
idea, I'll get the pod pump on
it

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And Michael Butler

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And I don't know if we can do it
this month

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I don't know when you're
planning your dates

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But let's see if we can work
some out

37:49.000 --> 37:52.000
I mean if we can find a venue
and by the way, Rosie

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At pod show HQ she's so tied
into the San Francisco scene

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She'll be able to help with
ideas

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And yeah, be great if we could
do it, be great

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And I'm sure that if we need to
come up with a little budget to
help support it

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I'm sure we can work something
out

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I was gonna say something and I
saved this

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Patrick Bouse says, hi Adam,
first of all great show

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I'm listening to it now for a
year, 11 every minute of it

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As a San Seo customer, yeah,
this is a Blumenal Adverts work

38:24.000 --> 38:27.000
I'm registered to the San Seo
newsletter

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And today I got one which is
pretty interesting

38:30.000 --> 38:34.000
Pickwick comes out now with a
tea pad for the San Seo machine

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Because you like the San Seo

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And you like to drink tea, I
thought this was worth a mention

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PickwickT.com, the tea pads

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Sounds kind of nasty, doesn't
sounds like a sanitary nap

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Can talk about marketing

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Okay, thanks buddy, really
appreciate it

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Let me just put that up there

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So we know that I talked about
that there in the show notes

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I wonder though, you know, if
you have the coffee comes out

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I mean, wouldn't the tea water,
the actual tea mixture

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Come out of the same spigot as
the coffee

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And won't you taste that?

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I mean, there's nothing worse in
the world when you're in a hotel

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And you order tea and they bring
it up in a pot

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At one point contained coffee
because you can just taste it

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It is horrible, I mean, I've had
this at the best hotels in the
world

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And man, I've caused a shit
about that

39:20.000 --> 39:26.000
Usually not to hotels in former
empires of the British empire

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And former colonies of the
British empire

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A couple more pieces of Gmail
feedback

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Stewart Davenport Adam, just
like the comment on the pot's

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If music network re-download
function, great idea

39:40.000 --> 39:44.000
Keeping my download history,
giving me the ability to get
that file again

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Without repaying is brilliant
and truly a community safe
feature

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Whereas ample has done a
half-hearted attempt

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They certainly record what
you've purchased

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But not giving the function to
re-download those tracks

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Feed of charge, free of charge
is appalling

39:57.000 --> 40:00.000
I have sadly lost all my music
on my Mac

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And they expect me to repay 100
pounds plus in music to get my
music back

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Now I understand if I buy a book
from a store and lose the pages
in it

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I can take it back to the store
and ask for replacement pages

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But hell man, that is data

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I've paid for it surely, I
should be able to download again

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This is a joke

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Viva la revolution Adam says
Stewart Davenport, Manchester UK

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Dude, thank you very much

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Yeah, no, and this is very
concerning

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And I'm learning more people are
sending me articles

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About how this vives

40:31.000 --> 40:33.000
I mean, you know what, we have
to be really careful

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Of these systems that have some
form of sanctioned built in

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Like the iPod

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You know, we just have to be
very aware of what's going on

40:42.000 --> 40:45.000
Steve Jobs said, it is recent
fun products announcement

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That he feels that all your
music belongs on your iPod

40:49.000 --> 40:51.000
And you take your iPod from
place to place

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It's on your head, you stick it
in your boom box

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You put it in your home, high-fi

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But your music belongs there,
which means

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You can only get it through the
combination of iPod

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And iTunes and there's DRM on it

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Which only plays on the iTunes

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So you kind of get locked in

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At a certain point

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You know, what happens if a law
is passed

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It says all musical content that
has played on devices

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It has to be

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You know, it has to contain DRM

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It could happen

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We're living in really strange
times right now

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What if Apple says, we really
don't see any value in the MP3
format

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Do you really think people will
defect on mouse

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That's in great numbers

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To other portable devices

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I don't think so

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Not yet

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If we start to kick some ass

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And get more and more people

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Hooked on podcasts

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And boy

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In hindsight, the name really
isn't all that great is it

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It is confusing

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That does kind of suck

41:54.000 --> 41:57.000
I mean, of course, the iPod is
also 78% of the mobile music
market

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Lots of things to think about
here

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But be very, very careful

42:03.000 --> 42:05.000
Gabe Kangus

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Adam Man, it was rough

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This past show with your wife

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I was on the train

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I was so frustrated

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I was about to get up and scream

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Let Adam tell his story

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She would not let you talk and
it drove me up the wall

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She would say

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The sky is red

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And you would correct her by
saying no baby

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The sky is blue

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And she come back with yes

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That's what I'm saying

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Okay, it's off my chest

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Gabe Ganges

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I'll do it

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Welcome to the nightmare that is
my life

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You know?

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This is the way it's been for 20
years

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And I wouldn't want it any other
way

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I really wouldn't

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We're a pair, man

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We are a pair

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Okay

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Those of you who have been
reading along

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With the message boards

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With the comments on curry.com

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There's been quite a lot of
controversy lately

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Concerning a commenter

42:53.000 --> 42:55.000
Comic strip blogger

42:55.000 --> 42:57.000
And now Comic strip blogger

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Is pretty abusive in his writing

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And he seems pretty emotional

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And he does really kind of say
it

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As he feels it and calls it like
he wants to call them

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He's been really offended by me

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Calling him stalker

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And of course, you know, I
consider

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Roger Smalls to be stalker as
well

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But

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I kind of turned it around on
myself

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And I thought, you know, how do
I feel

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When people call me the
big-haired fag

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Well, that actually I love

43:27.000 --> 43:28.000
That's probably about example

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How do I feel when

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Yeah, MTV guy

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Or not even a derogatory term

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You know, I'd rather just be
known by my name

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So let me just say this

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I apologize for calling you a
stalker

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Comic strip blogger

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Roger, I don't apologize for
calling

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He was stalker

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And I think that people really
do like

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To hear a contrary point of view

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That it does work in comments

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It really, really does

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But you got to work a little bit
on your social skills

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I think and with this, Comic
strip blogger

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I would like to invite you to
become a contributor

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To the daily source code

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By sending me your occasional
comment

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Don't make them too long

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I have to be able to understand
them

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And you can't get pissed off if
I don't use it

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Because, you know, I don't
believe me

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Believe me

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I do not play everything the
Roger sends it

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Okay

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And

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And I'm not the only one who
clearly is thinking this way

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Comic strip blogger

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Because here's what the Jeff
Smith did for you

44:35.000 --> 44:37.000
Comic strip

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Comic strip

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Comic strip

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Comic strip

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Comic strip

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Comic strip

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Comic strip

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And today I'm exploding with
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For Friday and Saturday, April
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We've got four half-day sessions
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We've also got a great lineup of
instructors this time including
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46:26.000 --> 46:29.000
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46:29.000 --> 46:34.000
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Those dates again are Friday and
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And that's podcastacademy.org
for more info

46:54.000 --> 46:57.000
Thanks Adam and of course,
Tailwinds

46:57.000 --> 47:01.000
Hello Adam, this is Tokyo Dan
from What's Happening and Tokyo
Podcast

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I'd like to thank you for
playing my promos on the Charlie

47:04.000 --> 47:08.000
But to get to the point after
two things I want to ask you
about

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First is about the Podsafe Music
Network

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I noticed that it's easy for
someone in Japan to buy tunes

47:14.000 --> 47:16.000
But how about the other way
around?

47:16.000 --> 47:20.000
Will it be easy for artists in
Japan to sell their tunes?

47:20.000 --> 47:23.000
After digging around in the
clicking by website

47:23.000 --> 47:27.000
I noticed that it's mostly for
North American and European
countries

47:27.000 --> 47:29.000
There's nothing about Japan

47:29.000 --> 47:34.000
And I'm a bit concerned about
this because I've convinced a
few independent Japanese artists

47:34.000 --> 47:37.000
To put their songs on the
Podsafe Music Network

47:37.000 --> 47:40.000
Well, they're happy with the
international exposure they're
getting

47:40.000 --> 47:46.000
But when they are finally able
to sell their songs on the
Podsafe Music Network

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Will they be able to get paid?

47:49.000 --> 47:53.000
And since they're in Japan and
have Japanese bank accounts and
credit cards

47:53.000 --> 47:56.000
Will they be able to receive the
money that people pay for their
songs

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Without suffering the fees
imposed on international bank
transfers

48:00.000 --> 48:05.000
I was wondering if you could
shed a little light on how this
is all going to work

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The second thing I want to ask
is, do you have any plans about
expanding to Japan?

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Well, I love what you and Pods
you are doing

48:14.000 --> 48:16.000
And I'd sure love to be a part
of it

48:16.000 --> 48:19.000
Perhaps something like an
evangelist?

48:19.000 --> 48:21.000
Heck, I'm already doing it

48:21.000 --> 48:25.000
I'd be happy to go around to the
local gindies artists

48:25.000 --> 48:28.000
That's what I call the Japanese
independent artists

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And put the word out about the
Podsafe Music Network

48:31.000 --> 48:35.000
In the live music clubs and
private recording studios over
here

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If you ever need someone over
here, I'd appreciate it if you
kept me in mind

48:39.000 --> 48:42.000
Well, keep up the revolution,
man

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It's really great

48:43.000 --> 48:44.000
Alright, my brother

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To answer your first question,
very good one

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Now, you will not be receiving
money from clicking by

48:51.000 --> 48:54.000
God, now I don't even know that
for sure

48:54.000 --> 48:55.000
I don't believe so

48:55.000 --> 48:59.000
No, I think you will be
receiving checks

48:59.000 --> 49:04.000
That at least the administration
will be done by Pod Show

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This is one of the big things
that we're working on before we
actually do this

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Because there are other
questions like, you know, when
do we cut a check

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For every 99 cents or is it for
every 10 bucks?

49:14.000 --> 49:16.000
You know, those kinds of
questions

49:16.000 --> 49:21.000
Unfortunately, international
banking does blow massive chunks

49:21.000 --> 49:22.000
Massive

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I mean, I've transferred
millions of dollars and it just
it's been gone for days

49:27.000 --> 49:29.000
Of course, I've also had it
going 20 seconds

49:29.000 --> 49:32.000
The way it should go, but you
know, this all kinds of bullshit

49:32.000 --> 49:35.000
I mean, major ass bullshit going
on an international banking

49:35.000 --> 49:37.000
So we're going to do as best as
possible

49:37.000 --> 49:39.000
But look, you know, we're not
bankers

49:39.000 --> 49:41.000
And we're not in the banking
business

49:41.000 --> 49:44.000
You know, as a part of the whole
unlabeled concept

49:44.000 --> 49:46.000
If there's a company

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That can help us with

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Making payments better outside
of the United States

49:52.000 --> 49:55.000
Because I agree, man, I get
Amazon checks

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I should put my fricking senseo
back on the homepage

49:58.000 --> 50:00.000
You know, so it gets a couple
hundred bucks

50:00.000 --> 50:02.000
And to cash them, there's an
exorbitant fee

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Exorbitant fee to cash that

50:04.000 --> 50:08.000
You know, of course, means it
should be an international bank
that should honor this

50:08.000 --> 50:10.000
But, you know, this is how these
fuckers make money

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What can I tell you?

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Second one, Japan

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Not actively doing anything in
Japan

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I'll tell you the markets that
we're actively looking at

50:18.000 --> 50:21.000
And by the way, that's not to
say that if you have a great
business plan

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We don't want to work with you
and form a partnership

50:24.000 --> 50:25.000
Of course we do

50:25.000 --> 50:28.000
Currently, we are actively
working in the UK

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In the German markets

50:30.000 --> 50:33.000
So I'm not just saying Germany,
but that includes Austria

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That includes Switzerland, that
includes a piece of Italy

50:36.000 --> 50:38.000
But the German language market

50:38.000 --> 50:40.000
There's a lot going on there

50:40.000 --> 50:44.000
Very excited about podcasting in
Germany

50:44.000 --> 50:46.000
And we actually have a team on
the ground in China

50:46.000 --> 50:48.000
Yes, you heard me, China

50:48.000 --> 50:50.000
And we've had this team on the
ground for a couple months now

50:50.000 --> 50:52.000
And we're making great progress

50:52.000 --> 50:54.000
It's very interesting

50:54.000 --> 50:56.000
Tremendous opportunity to open
up

50:56.000 --> 51:00.000
Verbal and visual communication

51:00.000 --> 51:04.000
Which is very difficult to block
and to fire wall

51:04.000 --> 51:06.000
And to filter out

51:06.000 --> 51:12.000
You know, to start to really
encourage a China breaking out

51:12.000 --> 51:15.000
And joining in the freaking
party

51:15.000 --> 51:18.000
And of course we're building the
audience here

51:18.000 --> 51:20.000
In the west

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We're going for our 100 million
listeners

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In the east, we're looking at
100 million tiny screens

51:27.000 --> 51:29.000
And believe me, it's really
going to happen

51:29.000 --> 51:32.000
I'm very excited about that
market

51:32.000 --> 51:34.000
And what's going on

51:34.000 --> 51:36.000
In fact, I'm planning a road
trip

51:36.000 --> 51:38.000
Won't that make for a sound
seeing tour

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Hey everybody, it's Friday

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I need some freaking cowbell,
you know?

51:42.000 --> 51:44.000
Yes, some bass will do too

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Dynamite lady

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On the chart

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[ Music ]

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I'm trying to catch it, and now
I'm trying to catch it, and now
now I'm trying to catch it, and
now I'm trying to catch it, and
now I'm trying to catch it, and
now I'm trying to catch it, and
now I'm trying to catch it, and
now I'm trying to catch it, and
now I'm trying to catch it, and
now I'm trying to catch it, and
now I'm trying to catch it, and
now I'm try to catch it, and now
I'm trying to catch it, and now
I'm trying to catch it, and now
I'm thinking I'm trying to catch
this, and now I'm trying to
catch it, and now I'm trying to
catch it, and now I'm trying to
catch it, and now I'm trying to
catch it, and now I'm trying to
catch it, and now I'm trying to
catch it, and now I'm trying to
catch it, and now I'm trying to
catch it, and now I'm trying to
catch it, and now I

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Uh, you know what, I'm feeling
so good.

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But here.

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Ben, see you, Kappa.

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She's a baby, thank you.

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Yes, you're right.

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You know what, you're on
perfect, the timing is
impeccable.

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Because you're the dry mouth.

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They have a very dry mouth.

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Yeah.

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You're getting front of the mic,
baby.

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So we can hear what you're
saying.

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Yeah.

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So you have a very dry mouth,
but that I was just about, I was
just about to tell everyone

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this is a double split show
because I'm going over time and
how it was just I was in a good

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groove.

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Oh, okay.

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I'm going.

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I'll leave you alone.

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So I need, and of course, I
didn't have was a cup of tea.

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Yes, I drank my show, my show
drink.

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All righty.

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Thank you, baby.

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Love you, too.

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Love you, too.

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Ah.

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That's it.

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So that's right.

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It's funny this morning, just on
the split, it's just thing.

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Kristy, I was trying to
Christina to school and a police
car was coming up behind

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behind us and a couple other
cars.

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With the sirens on, I said, oh
man, they're coming to get me.

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That's the split police and she
kind of got freaked out.

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I said, no, you kidding me,
right?

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No, no, tell me it's not true.

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No, of course it's not true.

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I said, man, you could be like
on cops and I said, and I
thought about it and I said,

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you know what?

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I don't think I've ever seen
anyone on cops on the show who's
been arrested because

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they were stoned from marijuana
at least.

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I've seen that either addicted
to alcohol, to crack, to
cocaine, poverty is usually a

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big reason, just despair, but
someone who's on, who's that
smoked marijuana, no, you

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don't see them.

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I don't think.

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I could be wrong.

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Let me know.

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Matt's from Bristol says, Adam,
I went into hospital last week
for a small operation.

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Nothing too serious.

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Thank goodness.

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And we afterwards, I had to stay
in overnight and got very bored
with no TV, et cetera.

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So my darling girlfriend, left
me here, iPod to listen to my
iPod.

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I had loaded it up with podcasts
to listen to, including the
Charlie.

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So once she had gone home and
the doctors were leaving me
alone, I plugged myself in and

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listened to one podcast after
another.

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After a few hours, I realized
that I hadn't really thought
about the pain and been having

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and was really relaxed.

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It was great.

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I could drift off into my own
little world while listening to
various podcasts just

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rambling on.

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So when short podcasting is a
great pain killer, and that
makes me feel very good, Matt,

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from Bristol.

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That's awesome.

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And you know, that's what it is,
man, it's the hit of the mind.

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And you know, people can tune
pain out.

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That's what you did without even
knowing it.

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That's really, really happy to
hear that.

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That's fantastic.

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Boy, I hope you don't mind,
maybe you should stop the show
now and then listen to the rest

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over the weekend or something,
because we've got so much more
to do.

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I've got two more or three more
comments.

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I've got another podcast I've
song I want to play for you and
of course.

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Okay, for the Metro section
moment, this is the place where
us guys come out hang out

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together.

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You can be a real man.

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If you want, you're more than
welcome, because we are real
men.

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We talk about the stuff that,
okay, so we just don't feel
comfortable talking about it.

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Usually, right?

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Not around the office, not
around the locker room.

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So kind of this asynchronous
mode of communication, let's
everyone kind of get stuff off

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of their chest and share ideas
and thoughts.

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And it's not just us guys, the
women are checking in with great
regularity.

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And I think we should listen up
because they're telling us
things that, I mean, at the end

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of the day, I'll be honest, it's
about getting laid, okay.

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So here's Charlotte Hinton says,
hey, Adam, all the way from the
home of Lord of the Rings,

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I listen to your cast on a
regular basis and just thought
it's share something with you.

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The body shop to a fabulous
product, it's the sesame shaving
cream.

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Now, I'll tell you what, this
stuff is the best and it leaves
your face or at least my
partner's

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face.

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Silky soft.

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You have a partner and I'll be
like a boyfriend or a husband,
partner, sound so official,

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like you have more than one.

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Maybe it's just a wishful thing.

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There's also a face protector
that you put on after this,
which adds the redness that

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you make it, which adds the
redness that you make it
afterwards.

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Oh, but once you've used this
cream, there's no going back.

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No rash smells delicious as
well.

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Actually, combine with a mock
three and there's no going back,
great for your legs as well

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if your female or otherwise
inclined.

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Oh, the way, that's all I wanted
to say, Charlotte, thank you
very much, dear.

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Rob Stokes next up on the Gmail
and by the way, I love it when
you guys do these an audio

01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:06.760
comments because, you know, it's
like an audio type medium, it
says Cory Greenberg, who's

01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:11.520
in the old college buddy of mine
that presenter on NBC's today
show has a blog devoted

01:00:11.520 --> 01:00:17.000
to old fashioned gentleman's
shaving, escaping void.com.

01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:21.000
Says Cory, so I did a segment on
NBC's today show about the lost
art of wet shaving,

01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:25.720
how old school razors, badger
hair shaving brushes, and high
end English shaving creams,

01:00:25.720 --> 01:00:29.240
not only deliver the greatest
shave that you can possibly
imagine, but bring back the

01:00:29.240 --> 01:00:34.120
pleasant, gentlemanly ritual
that has been missing since the
blood bath of 1971 when

01:00:34.120 --> 01:00:38.760
EDM in led a coupe to become a
coup to become the ruler of
Uganda and you let introduce

01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:42.560
the first twin-blade razor.

01:00:42.560 --> 01:00:45.640
Nunes of people all over the
world watch the segment and I
guess lots of guys were unhappy

01:00:45.640 --> 01:00:48.920
where their shave's too because
the viewer reaction was unlike
anything I've experienced

01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:51.480
in the years I've been appearing
on the today show.

01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:55.920
As ridiculous as it sounds, the
ensuing rush on razors, brushes,
creams, created a worldwide

01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:58.280
short as of shaving goods.

01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:02.440
Vendors reported doing a year's
worth of business just a few
days, overnight, funky vintage

01:01:02.520 --> 01:01:07.160
razors, caked with hobo whiskers
and soap scumb that used to go
for a few bucks on eBay suddenly

01:01:07.160 --> 01:01:10.600
began climbing to well over
$100.

01:01:10.600 --> 01:01:12.600
How cool is that?

01:01:12.600 --> 01:01:18.920
You know, of course, I'd say
that, you know, maybe the metro
sexual moment had something to

01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:23.640
do with, I don't think NBC's
today show could take all the
credit, but now look, you know
what,

01:01:23.640 --> 01:01:27.400
I think it's just excitement
about trying something
different, that seems to be
what's working

01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:30.520
for everybody and that's why
we're having these
conversations.

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Let me see if this audio comment
is loud enough, I may have to
stop the music on that.

01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:38.360
Hi Adam, this is Robin from all
critters.podshow.com, I was
listening to the daily source
code

01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:43.000
today and I noticed you were
looking for metro sexual moment
comments on which underwear

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women like on men.

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Well, I'll give you my vote.

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I like the ones that are called
boxer briefs.

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They're kind of like a hybrid
between the boxer underwear, but
they're not as like bulky and

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baggy and they're like a brief
because they're hugging and
fitting, but they're not as
short

01:01:57.640 --> 01:02:02.120
around the leg, they go longer
down the thigh to give me that
wonderful, clean look and lie

01:02:02.120 --> 01:02:04.600
and that goes well anyway, it's
really sexy.

01:02:04.600 --> 01:02:07.960
So that's the one I find sexiest
is the boxer brief.

01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:11.480
If you don't know what they are,
go look for them, they might be
fairly new because I don't
remember

01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:15.960
them being around a long time
ago, but who knows, maybe it's
just the guys over there, I
don't know.

01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:21.640
All I can say is that I like the
boxer briefs, they're long, lean
and they're good looking.

01:02:21.640 --> 01:02:25.560
Hope you get a lot of other
audio comments and feedback, few
metro sexual moment, keep up

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the great work on the daily
source code, we're totally
addicted, thanks, bye.

01:02:29.160 --> 01:02:32.440
Thank you. I always love to hear
from the ladies. They know
what's going on.

01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.200
This seems to be a general
trend, guys.

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It seems to be these boxer brief
things and that's what I've worn
for a hundred years.

01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:45.080
I love them, you know, I like to
have something going down my leg
a little bit, of course,

01:02:45.080 --> 01:02:49.480
I've got very long legs. I just
don't like when I sit down and
shit rides up on me, you know,

01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:53.480
and I'm not talking about my ass
because, well, I might enjoy
that part, but you know,

01:02:54.440 --> 01:03:01.000
in my legs there, and scrunchy,
no, no, no. I would rather go
commando than have to wear

01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:06.920
briefs or anything as scrunches
up. Okay, let me see, I had one,
I'm going to skip this one.

01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:12.760
Okay, let's do this last audio
comment. It may be too soft, so
I may have to turn down the
music and

01:03:13.640 --> 01:03:20.120
see, yeah. This is Maureen.
Michelle Suster from Whisper
Pearls.

01:03:23.080 --> 01:03:30.200
Well, Adam, I love your voice
for one thing. Okay, really
hope. You were the following.

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Not boxer's and not exactly
briefs. I know, the Metro sexual
man wears these sort of
in-between

01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:48.120
like Rostrichy, half-boxer, I
have brief things and just very
sexy and soft, and

01:03:49.640 --> 01:03:55.240
you know, they come in exciting
colors, not just the white, not
just the black, and not just the

01:03:55.240 --> 01:04:06.920
black, and if a man gets an
erection, they sort of move with
him, not lob out of a boxer's

01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:16.440
short, and not get sort of tight
and squishy on the briefs. So
that's my option. Those are like
best,

01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:26.600
and I'd be really curious to
know what you wear. This is
Whisper Pearls.com. Listen,
baby,

01:04:27.560 --> 01:04:35.000
I wear exactly what you like and
you people, you better turn the
volume down because I'm going to

01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:47.400
apply the ending. Yeah. Oh, man.
Okay, Metro sexual moment. Okay,
just one more topic that I

01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:52.200
want to get into. Hey, Adam, I
wanted to send you my comments
about the white listing issue.

01:04:52.200 --> 01:04:56.840
This fucking white listing issue
is piss me off. Hold on a
second, let me just say what
that is.

01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:03.000
This is about sending emails. If
you send emails from a company
for registration purposes,

01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:09.320
you will, if you get any great
number of these, and as you'll
hear in a second, even if you
just

01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:17.640
have a whole bunch of people on
a CC line for a company email,
you can get blacklisted.

01:05:18.520 --> 01:05:22.600
And that means that you're
trapped as spam and you aren't
put through to the large
providers.

01:05:22.600 --> 01:05:28.680
Namely, the big ones would be
hotmail and MSN both Microsoft
properties. There's actually a
company

01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:35.160
that you have to deal with
specifically to be removed or
put onto the white list for
those companies.

01:05:35.160 --> 01:05:40.520
And now we know that America
online is coming with their
email tax. And so that's what
this

01:05:40.520 --> 01:05:45.800
white listing is about. As my
day job, I teach at a local
college and some of my classes
are online.

01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:50.120
And when the class starts, I
email all my students to tell
them about the class, how to get
started,

01:05:50.120 --> 01:05:55.480
et cetera. To start of this
semester, when emailing my
students from my college domain,

01:05:55.480 --> 01:06:01.960
which is an EDU, I received six
underlippable messages from a
very large webmail provider.

01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:06.520
After a little research, I
discovered that I had been
automatically blacklisted
because I was

01:06:06.520 --> 01:06:12.520
sending bulk messages to this
webmail provider. It didn't
matter that they were emails
that were

01:06:12.520 --> 01:06:18.520
expected by the webmail provider
customers, i.e. my students. So
I contacted this webmail
provider

01:06:18.520 --> 01:06:26.840
and it was suggested to me by
them that I send individual
emails to my students. They
webmail

01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:34.840
provider stated it was their
policy to block all incoming
bulk messages to protect their
customers.

01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:41.160
I have over 150 students each
semester to make emailing
students easier. I use the email
program.

01:06:41.160 --> 01:06:46.360
It's integrated into our online
learning system. So all I have
to do is compose the message

01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:52.280
select the class and email it to
the students. I'm not going to
sort through over 100 email
addresses.

01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:57.880
Eat semester just to find the
addresses for this particular
webmail provider to send those

01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:04.120
students separate messages. The
good news is, I complained and
complained and it looks like
they

01:07:04.120 --> 01:07:09.160
have whitelisted me. Now, I
never received the confirmation
email about it, but my messages

01:07:09.160 --> 01:07:14.760
are not blocking more. And when
I'm not teaching, yes, I do
produce a podcast, mostly news,

01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:18.600
and you can check it out at
mostly news.net. Good flying at
them. Talk to you later.

01:07:18.600 --> 01:07:22.440
All right. Thank you very much.
And I'm very happy you sent that
audio comment in because

01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:26.680
a lot of this sounds like really
geeky talk. And I know that a
lot of listeners to the Charlie

01:07:26.680 --> 01:07:31.080
say, you know, I kind of tune
out of skip past all the tech
talk. But this affects you. Here
it is.

01:07:31.080 --> 01:07:36.520
It's affecting a college
professor, you know, and he has
a dot edu address. And by the
way,

01:07:36.520 --> 01:07:40.680
I'm happy that you're getting
trapped in this as well because
the minute they say, well,

01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:45.320
we'll let dot edu go through,
you know, then it's going to get
really fucking messed up. It is.

01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:50.200
And then, you know, that
justifies a charging dot com
addresses. And, you know, what's
a business?

01:07:50.200 --> 01:07:54.200
What's an individual? This is
horrible. This is not the way
email was intended to be. And
it's

01:07:54.200 --> 01:07:59.480
going to be the next big
frontier. You know, the fees are
outrageous to, you know, to be
insured

01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:05.800
that you're continuously on a
white list. You know, maybe we
need some kind of, uh, open
source

01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:10.280
white list is what I was
thinking. You know, something
that that that consumers could
pressure

01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:16.920
their ISPs into joining that
should be some way that, uh,
that we can verify email. And
low and

01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:21.960
behold, Sean Murphy says, you've
been talking about having to pay
to get your email through to the
new

01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:28.360
podshow signups. You should
check out open SPF dot org.
That's open SPF's share a pop of
Fox

01:08:28.360 --> 01:08:34.280
slot. Make sure your podshow
domains have SPF records in the
DNS. I know Gmail checks. I'm
not sure

01:08:34.360 --> 01:08:38.040
about any of the others. SPF and
a nutshell is a way to designate
which servers are authorized

01:08:38.040 --> 01:08:45.000
to send mail for your domain.
Um, so that's a good one. And
we'll definitely, uh, look into
that.

01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:50.040
And, uh, that may be something
that we want to have
implemented. But I mean, this
really has to be kind

01:08:50.040 --> 01:08:55.640
of on a, oh, shit. I don't know.
There's some smart people, you
know, you know, a day wine is
going

01:08:55.640 --> 01:08:59.480
to come up with this idea. And
then, you know, we'll all use it
and then we'll all get blamed
for not

01:08:59.480 --> 01:09:05.560
giving him credit. But someone,
someone has got to come up with
a fantastic idea to make this
work.

01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:09.880
So that, you know, you can
receive registration emails and
the corporations don't have to
pay,

01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:13.800
you know, you may want to be a
corporation tomorrow. You know,
you may want to start a company.

01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:17.640
And you'll, you'll see what
you're going to run into with
this shit. You know, this is,
this is

01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:27.560
squashing entrepreneurialism.
Um, Philip Masin, Masin, I
think, from, uh, where's he
from? Where's he from?

01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:32.520
Sydney. Hi, Adam email is
probably the most used crappiest
implemented application on the
net to date.

01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:37.560
When SMTP, that's the simple
mail transfer protocol was first
created. I'm sure it's for a

01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:43.240
father's never imagined that it
would be abused to the point it
is now. I have an easy solution
for it.

01:09:43.240 --> 01:09:47.560
When you register your DNS name
through internet, why can't
internet and cooperation with
someone

01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:53.080
like very side issue a issue you
a digital certificate for your
server? If you receive an email

01:09:53.160 --> 01:09:57.880
from a server without a valid
digital certificate, it gets
rejected. With a valid digital
certificate,

01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:02.200
you can ensure that the mail
becomes the server. It says it
came from. I don't believe you
need

01:10:02.200 --> 01:10:06.760
individual digital certificates
for individual mailboxes, but
certainly a $2 per year
certificate

01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:11.880
for a server would be the ideal
solution. Okay. So here's the
difference. I believe that these

01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:18.840
companies who perform white
listing and are working together
with ISPs and they're doing it

01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:26.840
under the guise of spam. This is
not about spam only. Detecting
spam. I think this SPF

01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:32.840
record all that stuff that makes
sense. I think that is a good
anti spam message or anti spam
measure

01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:38.360
so that we know, hey, this is
the server it's coming from. So
if it is spam, we know exactly
who

01:10:38.360 --> 01:10:44.840
to go to because it's an
authenticated email message. So
that would be an easy way to at
least

01:10:45.480 --> 01:10:50.360
remove one big step in the
process. So I like that and I
think we should definitely go
that way

01:10:50.360 --> 01:10:55.480
and to have a very sign or to
have that a part of the DNS
system, I think is a very good
idea.

01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:05.320
However, what is happening, this
I'm telling you this, this is
the same as this is like a DRM

01:11:05.320 --> 01:11:10.920
thing. You know, there's these
big mail companies. Microsoft
has a singular company

01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:15.880
a deal with you. You can't tell
me that there's not kind of some
setup there. What is the

01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:21.080
name of that place? I have to
find out the name of that
company. So if you want to be
whitelisted

01:11:21.080 --> 01:11:25.640
on either hot mail or MSN,
there's only one company you can
deal with. I mean, this is a
fair trade

01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:29.720
practice this thing as far as
I'm concerned. It's really
pissing me off the more I look
at it.

01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:34.200
Again, you know, Pod Show can
afford to pay these fees and you
know, we're in negotiations
right

01:11:34.200 --> 01:11:39.400
now to try and get the 80,000
down to some other, you know,
number that we feel a little bit
more

01:11:40.280 --> 01:11:44.440
but it shouldn't have to be this
way. This is not, this is a
hijacking of emails, total

01:11:44.440 --> 01:11:50.920
fucking hijacking and anybody
who wants to start a company,
you know, you can create a
website,

01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:55.960
you can get all kinds of, you
know, you can open up an
e-commerce store, you can do
transactions

01:11:55.960 --> 01:12:00.280
via PayPal, but the minute you
want to communicate through the
most common denominator of the

01:12:00.280 --> 01:12:06.760
internet, namely email, they are
fucking hijackers sitting there
just waiting to grab your money

01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:15.960
and it disgusts me. Hey, what
happened to the wiki show notes?
No one's updating it anymore.

01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:22.120
It's, we're behind this seems to
be like, no, you know, no, I
think what's going on is it's

01:12:22.120 --> 01:12:27.800
very, it's very hard to have the
comments separate from the show
notes. Somehow, I got to think

01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:31.800
about that. I mean, it's very
easy to hit the comments. That's
where all the passion comes out,

01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:36.600
but there's no more passion in
the show notes. It's
unfortunate. There's always a
link to the

01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:42.360
what I can now call the user
show notes on each, on the show
site, on daily source code and

01:12:42.360 --> 01:12:48.600
query.com, but it's just not
used. Okay, two more things
about advertising. Oh, by the
way,

01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:54.600
before I get into that, it just
seems like a real obvious thing
to me, you know, there's two
ways

01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:59.640
to do it. We can fight, you
know, the unjust, or we can try
and route around it like we've
done

01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:06.280
with a music business, with a
pod safe music movement, which
goes hand in hand with pod
casting.

01:13:06.280 --> 01:13:10.760
So, you know, we could always, I
could talk to the Earthling guys
about this. This seems like a

01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:15.720
perfect place for Earthling to
step in and set a precedent,
whether for an emailed
registration

01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:22.040
system, or, you know, at least
coming up with a way to make a
whitelist thing very easy
between

01:13:22.040 --> 01:13:27.560
users and who, you know,
customers of Earthling and users
who want to communicate with
them.

01:13:28.280 --> 01:13:33.480
They could be transcending, and
I bet you that, you know, in
large numbers,

01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:38.040
consumers can show what they
really, you know, they can move
with their feet, right?

01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:42.280
So I think that we'll probably
have to do that one way or the
other.

01:13:43.480 --> 01:13:47.240
Yes, so there was a meeting in
New York, by the way, with
Earthling, because we're moving
closer to

01:13:48.280 --> 01:13:52.840
upgrading advertising. Stay
tuned. Now to the comments. Oh,
I'm Adam. I just finished
listening

01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:58.440
to Daily Source Code episode
number three, four, one, and I
had a thought about all this
Earthling

01:13:58.440 --> 01:14:03.080
advertising you've been working
on. I think the problem is that
traditional,

01:14:03.080 --> 01:14:07.480
by the way, that comment about
Earthling was not meant as an
advertisement. I meant it as a
real

01:14:07.480 --> 01:14:12.680
comment. This is kind of
coincidental. Lots are just too
long with a podcast. You tend to
hear

01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:19.320
the same spot over and over. So
a much shorter spot will do.
There are also are not so many
issues with

01:14:19.320 --> 01:14:24.600
static changing the dial,
catching in the middle. That
sort of thing. If you hear the

01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:29.640
advertisement, you tend to hear
the whole thing you tend to hear
clearly. So instead of a 30

01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:35.880
second spot or a 22nd spot, why
not look for something in the
5th to 10 second range? For
example,

01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:42.680
I've trimmed one Earthling ad
down to about 7 and 300ths of a
second, and I think it
communicates

01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:47.080
the message pretty good
effectively, but it's a lot less
annoying and it takes less time,

01:14:47.080 --> 01:14:51.640
which leaves more room for
either more content or more ads
in the same amount of space.

01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:57.080
Where are you, Link? Make this
smart choice. Visit
earthling.net and discover what
our

01:14:57.080 --> 01:15:04.440
internet experts can do for you.
Right. So I agree with you when
I disagree with you. First of
all,

01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:08.200
you're not going to hear me play
the Earthling commercial on this
Charlie because

01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:13.240
what's the point is to talk
about what that company is about
and what they're doing

01:15:13.240 --> 01:15:18.200
and to involve them in the
conversation. I'm not getting
paid for Earthling by seconds
that I

01:15:19.160 --> 01:15:24.600
play anything. I think that's
even the three quarters of a
second or whatever you cut it
down

01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:30.440
to even that's boring. These are
the things that we've got to
work on. Every single, was it

01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:37.880
Paul, was it Paul Pinfield from
podcast user magazine? He wrote
this whole article and there's
been

01:15:38.040 --> 01:15:47.960
some back and forth in the
weblogs about it about business
models and he lists three models

01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:56.760
and what no, what everyone seems
to be overlooking is that
advertising is currently geared

01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:03.880
and there's a trillion dollar
industry or 800 billion dollar
industry. My phone is ringing.
Hold on,

01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:11.560
who's that? Oh shit, it's KJ,
hold on. Let me just, ah, let me
see if I can still get him. KJ.

01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:20.840
I'm taping the show, you're on
right now. Hey, yeah, I'm taping
the show, you're on.

01:16:22.040 --> 01:16:29.000
All right, no, it's like phone
is frozen like the West Virginia
York. So since we're on the
Charlie,

01:16:29.080 --> 01:16:36.440
how's it going in New York, man?
I was just talking about
Earthlink and I just mentioned

01:16:36.440 --> 01:16:44.600
you had a meeting with him
yesterday how to go. Hello?
Sorry, I think you're a
connection

01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:49.720
might be a bad one. So I was
just, I was just saying that you
had a meeting with Earthlink

01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:57.160
yesterday in New York. Oh, it
sucks, hold on. I said that you
had a meeting with Earthlink
yesterday

01:16:57.240 --> 01:17:03.000
in New York. We did it. We had
an excellent meeting with the
folks at Earthlink and I think
things

01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:10.440
are progressing nicely. It's a,
you know, I think it's a effort
that is going to be a very,

01:17:10.440 --> 01:17:15.880
very interesting one. It's just
going to be a process of
planning everything out and
making sure

01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:22.440
it's executed well. They're very
excited about it. We're very
excited about it and I think
we'll have

01:17:22.440 --> 01:17:26.840
some interesting things to talk
about fairly shortly. Dude, I
got to step back for all the

01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:33.960
enthusiasm that's just spouting
out of my phone. All right,
listen Chris, let me finish

01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:38.600
a show and I'll call you later,
okay? Well, thanks. All right,
buddy, take care. Bye.

01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:46.920
There you go. Straight from the
horse's mouth. Oh my gosh. Chris
is great. He sounds a little dry

01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:52.760
and I kind of hijacked in there.
There you go. I tell no lies.
It's actually happening. It's

01:17:52.760 --> 01:18:00.040
actually true. So with all this
media changing we're doing, I
know of, I'm repeating myself.

01:18:00.040 --> 01:18:06.120
I just have to say it.
Advertising will change as well.
Right now, it's a, it's a clash,
you know?

01:18:06.120 --> 01:18:14.120
It's like, it hurts. Everyone
understands it. Everyone gets
it, including some switched on
advertisers.

01:18:14.120 --> 01:18:19.240
We're having the conversations
right now. We're being very
careful. We're planning because
we're

01:18:19.240 --> 01:18:24.280
putting something on the map
here. We're going to change
advertising. We're going to
change the

01:18:24.280 --> 01:18:30.680
value. How it's measured? It's
going to be, it's, that's what
that's the kind of enthusiasm
that

01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:38.600
to, that I'm talking about. One
more then. Hi Adam. This is
Michael Kickingbear,

01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:45.480
what the indigenous people's
music podcast. And I just
checked out an interview on CNBC
with

01:18:45.480 --> 01:18:53.320
someone from EarthLink. I guess
they've put a bit in to be the
primary provider of a citywide

01:18:53.320 --> 01:18:59.080
Wi-Fi network. I was wondering
if you had heard any insight
about that. Apparently they're
also

01:18:59.080 --> 01:19:07.560
looking at Chicago as, as a
second city to be involved with
this. I would think any broad
rollout

01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:13.800
of Wi-Fi and broadband internet
is going to be great for
podcasting. As more people can
be

01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:20.120
connected and pull down content.
So I didn't know in your
discussions with EarthLink
recently

01:19:20.120 --> 01:19:25.160
if they alluded to, to how that
was going. But I was just kind
of interested in sort of thought

01:19:25.160 --> 01:19:31.400
about the DSC and everything
that you've talked about
recently. I guess the upcoming
involvement

01:19:31.400 --> 01:19:37.240
with end users, EarthLink's ad
campaign process. So anyway,
it's just curious about that.

01:19:37.960 --> 01:19:42.120
Thanks again for listening.
Thanks for the DSC. And again,
this is Michael Kickingbear,

01:19:42.120 --> 01:19:51.000
indigenous people's music
podcast at
www.native-music-podcast.com.
Thanks. Dude, bye bye.

01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:54.040
Dude, that is such an awesome
name. Michael Kickingbear.

01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:59.640
It's like to introduce you.
Here's the taxi Eric Michael
Kickingbear. You know,

01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:05.480
check the leaning muel.
Everybody's here. And I passed
on your request at the Native
American

01:20:05.480 --> 01:20:11.960
as a genre to the podcast. Music
now work absolutely. Well, you
know, this is, I think we're

01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:17.960
going to get to this. What
you're hearing now is a
conversation which is relevant
to the listeners

01:20:18.440 --> 01:20:24.040
and contributors, I might add,
70% of the show is made up by
you, whether you're making
music,

01:20:24.040 --> 01:20:28.920
whether you're making jingles,
whether you're sending an audio
comments or emails. It's made up
by you.

01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:33.480
I'm just kind of mashing it up
and assembling it and we're
calling it a podcast. But, you
know,

01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:37.720
we're a community here. We're
doing something. We're talking
about Wi-Fi. We're talking about

01:20:37.720 --> 01:20:43.800
email, blockages and guess what?
Wouldn't it be awesome if we
could bring Earthling into the

01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:50.280
conversation? It'd be good for
them. It'd be good for us. It'd
be good for all of us as
collective users.

01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:59.720
Okay. Oh, man. I don't think
I've done a podcast this long
and ages. In ages, I tell you.

01:20:59.960 --> 01:21:07.320
Okay. We're almost done. I just
want to get it all out. You
know, there's so much, so much.

01:21:07.320 --> 01:21:12.840
Just get off my chest so I can
have a clean empty weekend.
Please indulge me. I just wanted
to say

01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:19.240
I'm really digging in the new
G-talk features or G-Chat in
Gmail. If you can figure out my
Gmail

01:21:20.280 --> 01:21:29.160
name, then you can add me. If
you keep sending me messages,
I'll block you. But, you know
how it works.

01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:33.240
I don't know. I'm willing to try
it out because that's not a
different application. You know,

01:21:33.240 --> 01:21:38.920
and when I'm on email, then I'm
also kind of in instantaneous
chat mode that kind of makes
sense to me

01:21:38.920 --> 01:21:44.600
to have email and I am
integrated that way. Also thanks
to all the writers who have been
sending

01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:50.200
in emails. Yeah. We need writers
in podcasting. Did you hear that
rant? I just went through. It
was

01:21:50.200 --> 01:21:54.760
so, I mean, you can hear the
emotion, but I don't have the
right words at the right moment.
Like

01:21:54.840 --> 01:21:59.800
Mark Yoshimaru and M-Coff can do
awesome rants on the Pacific
Coast hell of ways. Really,

01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:05.800
really good. And, you know, I
think I could, I just have to
time, you know, just don't have
the time.

01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:11.160
But if you write it, I could say
it. And we work together. It
would be, you know, we could
make

01:22:11.160 --> 01:22:14.920
it a combination of our words
and we could communicate even
better what we're trying to say.

01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:21.080
Hey Adam, it's Seth from Radio
Goon. I just wanted to point out
that on the Podsafe

01:22:21.080 --> 01:22:29.400
Music Network, a lot of record
companies are putting their
artists songs on the network,

01:22:29.400 --> 01:22:36.120
but they're putting their own
production company in the artist
field. I find this as a podcast

01:22:36.120 --> 01:22:44.680
or extremely irritating when I'm
searching for artists and I
find, you know, X records or
something.

01:22:45.400 --> 01:22:53.240
And then in the song name, they
put the artist and the song. I
don't know if there's

01:22:53.240 --> 01:23:01.640
some way to enforce it, but it's
pretty frustrating, just in
general. Just thought I'd draw
your

01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:07.000
attention to that. Love the
Daily Service Code. Thanks.
Thanks, dude. You know, I think
that we have

01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:12.840
this has come up previously.
There's a couple things going
on. First of all, at its core,

01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:18.280
it's probably a design fault on
R&D. You know, thinking Podsafe,
we just never thought that

01:23:18.280 --> 01:23:24.360
record labels would join in. And
there's tons of record labels.
Even some big ones. Even some

01:23:24.360 --> 01:23:28.440
big ones who are uploading music
to the Podsafe music network. I
haven't made a big deal about
this

01:23:30.040 --> 01:23:34.280
because I actually have mixed
feelings about it because, you
know, is it really happening,

01:23:34.280 --> 01:23:37.400
you know, on the up and up or
are they just kind of, you know,
are they sliding underneath the

01:23:37.480 --> 01:23:42.920
law and just, you know, are they
doing all these things? And but
on the public side, you know,

01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:51.400
suing soccer moms. Once you try
and sue a soccer girl, you boys,
I'd like to see that. She could
sue

01:23:51.400 --> 01:23:59.160
you so hard and I'd back her up.
She's on the network, you know.
But I too have noticed that.

01:23:59.160 --> 01:24:04.200
And Michael Butler has been
instrumental at getting all
these independent record labels
in.

01:24:04.280 --> 01:24:08.760
And since we don't really have a
facility for it in the, uh, I
guess in the database,

01:24:09.320 --> 01:24:15.560
and also because the owners of,
um, of the material that's
uploaded are the record
companies in,

01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:21.480
I'd say 99% of all cases. You
know, you join a record company,
um, the record company pays you

01:24:21.480 --> 01:24:26.360
and you basically give up the
masters. And so, you know, upon
uploading to the Podsafe music,

01:24:26.360 --> 01:24:31.240
that work, you have to be the
rightful owner and in many
cases, the record companies are
the owners.

01:24:31.320 --> 01:24:37.000
So there's also kind of an
ownership thing on, on, on their
side. Um, so indeed, this next
song,

01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:41.800
which is from East West Records,
which I think is a, that's a big
one. That's a pretty big, uh,

01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:48.600
it's, it's an indie label that
is sub-label of something big.
Um, this is song called Los
Angeles by

01:24:49.480 --> 01:24:56.280
patent pending, which I'm going
to play for you. Um, and indeed,
it's, uh, it shows up as East
West

01:24:56.360 --> 01:25:01.480
Records. You know what, I'm
going to, I'm going to dive into
it. Uh, it's something that will
definitely

01:25:01.480 --> 01:25:07.560
have to be put on a little bit
longer term, uh, but I do agree.
It's a pain, uh, but of course
at the end

01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:12.840
of the day, it's the music, the
counts, right? And boy, does
this kick ass? Perfect Friday
song.

01:25:16.250 --> 01:28:04.360
[ Music ]

01:28:04.360 --> 01:28:10.300
I just can't stand.

01:28:10.300 --> 01:28:13.720
I'm having fun.

01:28:13.720 --> 01:28:15.780
Los Angeles.

01:28:15.780 --> 01:28:24.600
Get me out of here.

01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:25.320
Oh.

01:28:25.320 --> 01:28:28.260
Major error camps are going on
here at the college.

01:28:28.260 --> 01:28:31.260
I heard my nerves going.

01:28:31.260 --> 01:28:33.360
I'd shoot crashing and flying
pacitudes.

01:28:33.360 --> 01:28:35.800
I'm fine, I'm fine.

01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:36.800
Okay, that's it.

01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:37.800
I'm ending it.

01:28:37.800 --> 01:28:39.800
We've got to stop somewhere,
hour and a half.

01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:41.120
I hope you guys don't mind.

01:28:41.120 --> 01:28:43.120
I just had so much pent up
energy.

01:28:43.120 --> 01:28:47.320
I'm feeling really creative,
that whole music video thing.

01:28:47.320 --> 01:28:49.680
Yesterday, just got me in a good
vibe.

01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:52.000
I love all the energy.

01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:53.720
The wave is on an upswing.

01:28:53.720 --> 01:28:54.720
I can feel.

01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:55.720
I can feel it.

01:28:55.720 --> 01:28:56.720
All right, everybody.

01:28:56.720 --> 01:28:57.720
Have a great weekend.

01:28:57.720 --> 01:28:59.000
DailySourceCode.com.

01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:00.000
Check out podshow.com.

01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:03.320
If you want to see other
interesting podcasts, if you'd
like to listen to them,

01:29:03.360 --> 01:29:07.720
and of course, my email is
adamaccurry.com.

01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:09.280
I have a great one, everybody.

01:29:13.280 --> 01:29:15.440
Oh, Friday.

01:29:15.440 --> 01:29:17.720
Another podshow podcast.

01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:19.240
Stick it in your ear.