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Delta Sierra Charli 350.

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Georgia!

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Hi, this is William Nelson.

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Alcohol, prohibition didn't work
in the 1920s, and marijuana
prohibition isn't working

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today.

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It's time we stopped arresting
responsible marijuana smokers.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It was $16 million worth of
airplane strapped to my ass.

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In the next generation radio
content in my ears.

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We don't need no sticky in
prison.

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I'd like to think I'm flying you
to the future.

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Fantastic, it's battle courage.

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Judgment Day 2006.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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It's the fair thing to do.

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Perfect.

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Is.

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...

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And then then only then will I
know and I had to hit the
satellite window so I really had
to get going on the show.

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For those of you who are
listening to this on serious
satellite and stars, it's the
stars cast everybody.

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This is the daily source code is
just the start of our four hour
block of time that we've got
here.

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We're all not some awesome
podcasts after this show.

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You will hear Pacific Coast,
Hellway.

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After that Madge Weinstein with
East Radio, Dawn and Drew.

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Steve Gilmore checks and I think
he's at the E-Tech Conference
with the Gilmore Daily.

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And then digital flotsome, I
believe a new episode today as a
PW has been threatening.

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And we wind up between, was at
930 in 10 o'clock Eastern Time
tonight with Michael Butler with
a rock and roll geek show.

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I don't know if it's the indie
cast or probably the straight up
rock and roll geek show.

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So you can stay tuned for all of
that.

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Gosh, man, it's so weird, you
know, just not having people are
calling the whole day.

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Have you heard anything? Have
you heard anything? I haven't
heard anything.

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I don't know. I don't know what
to say.

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But this morning, I woke up and
it was the first thing on my
mind to have to say.

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So, hey, some, some other, oh,
it's okay. So here's the real
bummer news.

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The real bummer news about
today's show.

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No audio feedback from comic
strip blogger.

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Damn, that bums me.

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I wish I wish.

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He says he's not going to send
me any for a while. That's a
bummer, man.

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I love you. People are finally
getting into your CSB seriously.

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People want to hear your opinion
in that, in that different voice
that you have and your accent.

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And there's, in general, most
people like it.

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And then another bummer, I just
follow bummers today.

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The vacation isn't parallel, my
friends.

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So there's a half-term vacation
period, which really we didn't
know about.

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This is the first full year that
Christina's in school because
we, actually, I guess we did
know it last year.

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But I don't know, maybe we, who
knows what happened.

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Last year was so close to us
moving in that we didn't really
pay attention to it.

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But it seems like all of Europe
has hit the lottery and is
traveling to every destination,

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Virgin Airlines flies.

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I can't buy a ticket, not even
to New York, Las Vegas, San
Francisco, Los Angeles,

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Barbados, Antigua, Dubai.

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I mean, God, we've been there
and didn't like it very much.

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But we just want some sun.

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Forget about it.

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And then hotel rooms.

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Well, sure, Mr. Curry, we found
something in Antigua.

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The only availability left for
two hotel rooms.

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Only $5,000 a night.

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And of course, I said, does that
include a brojo?

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Jesus Christ.

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So that sucks.

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So now we're kind of looking at
what we can do in Europe.

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Maybe Portugal, maybe, see what
else is there.

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Portugal is probably the best
bet we have.

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But still, it's very, very
difficult just to find a place
to stay at all.

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And I said, how is this
possible?

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And so first of all, I guess
this is the British.

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The UK has their half-term all
at the same time.

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In other countries, by the way,
they kind of stagger that, which
is interesting.

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So all of the UK is just flying
out.

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They're just leaving the island
like a mass exodus.

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So that's one problem.

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But the hotels.

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Now, this is very interesting.

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So this is what the prices are
now for two hotel rooms.

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$5,000 a night.

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And that's just regular.

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That's not a suite.

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It's just two hotel rooms.

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There are hotel rooms that are
going for about $17 or $18,000 a
night.

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And they're fully booked.

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And so I started online, of
course.

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And I got so frustrated.

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I called Carl.

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I told you my girl who fixed
everything for me and has done
many vacations for us.

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And she says, well, what's
happened is you have mainly
Russians.

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She said, there's just so many
incredibly rich people coming
out of the East block.

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And of course, you have to
wonder how they became rich.

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And they don't give a shit.

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They're just buying up
everything, taking their whole
family.

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So it's really, it's a capacity
problem if you can believe it.

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Just unbelievable to me.

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So don't know what we're going
to do.

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I think Patricia, the world
record company boss.

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I don't want to say he's old,
but he's a, he's a X record.

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Well, I guess still currently.

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She's never really signed with
any other record company.

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If you don't from co to he owns
some hotels in Portugal.

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And she's going to give him a
call and see if he can fix
anything out.

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Because I can get a flight
arranged down there.

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We can work that out.

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And even if we, if we had to go,
economy class is not all that
far.

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So it's not such a big deal.

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But I think I could probably get
an aircraft worked out for us to
take down and back up again.

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Now some good news.

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Although it doesn't work here in
the UK yet.

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Ryan sent me an email.

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There is now a Google chat or
Google.

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What do they call it?

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Is it, let me just see how to
take my blackberry out of my
pocket.

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Actually, it's Google talk, but
it's the same thing as a Google
chat.

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There's an application for the
blackberry.

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So that you can actually
maintain your, your Google chats
on your blackberry.

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I'm very excited about it.

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Unfortunately, it doesn't work
on non-US networks.

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That's to be either a US or a
Canadian network.

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So I'll have to try that next
week when I'm in San Francisco.

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Looks like I'm going out on
Tuesday.

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And we'll be there for, let's
see, a good work week.

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So about 10 days, that'll be out
on the west coast.

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And we've, of course, we've got
lots of cool things planned.

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Cali's coming out.

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Cali's coming out to Cali.

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We're going to do something
together.

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Yeah, I was just listening to
the penis episode 349.

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Oh, excuse me, I mean the
Charlie episode 349.

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And I just want to have one
comment.

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As far as I'm concerned, you
could call it what my mother
called my penis,

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which was the jingle bell.

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This is Mike signing off from
Oakland, California.

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Hey, parents, please tell your
kids what it's called, okay?

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This is ridiculous.

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This is really stupid.

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What's wrong with the actual
words, huh?

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The actual name of the pieces of
the anatomy, penis, vagina,
breasts, nipple.

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Oh, in other words, you can
hardly say on television in the
US.

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Yesterday, one of my ego filters
trapped a posting from a
reporter

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from the OC, the Orange County
Register, who had heard rumors
that I would be

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showing up at the meetup last
night.

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The Orange County podcast is
meetup.

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And, yeah, I was like, whoa, so
I posted a comment on the web

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log and said, hey, I don't know
where you're getting the
information

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from, but I'm in the UK, and I'm
definitely not showing up.

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And it was very confusing.

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And finally, we boil it all
down, we figured it out,

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how the information stream got
mangled onto the web,

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and I got some feedback about it
today.

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Hey, Adam, Corey, scriptener
here from the buddy group

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and the Orange County podcasters
meetup group.

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And just wanted to say thank you
for being understanding,
patient,

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and responding to the Orange
County Register reporter

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that contacted you regarding the
claims they made

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that you were coming here, even
though you're in the UK,

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to the United States meeting.

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It's, we learned a valuable
lesson tonight.

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What we learned was that no
matter what you say about

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Pod Show, and then a lot of
other things that you talk about

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that are great that are
happening in the world,

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the only thing they hear is Pod
Show.

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Adam, Corey, big hair, blonde,
flowing locks.

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So anyhow, thanks for being
cool.

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And of course, you're always
welcome at the Orange County
podcasters

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meetup group if you're ever in
the area.

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Make sure you bring Mark, your
Shemotor Nemkov down to

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because he's a cool dude, and
we'd like to see him here.

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He's a dead man.

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Keep up the good work.

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We'll talk to you later.

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He's a dick.

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I got to bring Mark, your
Shemotor Nemkov.

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He's a guy who's trying to set
up Pod Show LA.

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He's got like some, you know, he
has some cockamamey plan

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about setting up some kind of
production thing

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in Los Angeles.

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He's got a shack on Venice Beach
and, you know,

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in a laptop.

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And he's playing Mr. Big Shot.

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He's got a three series BMW.

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But no problem buddy about the
rumor mill.

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That's alright.

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I'm happy to help.

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I just didn't want people to
think I was a dick

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for not showing up.

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That's all.

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And believe me, that happens a
lot.

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Aloha.

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Aloha.

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If you remember, I left you a
comment.

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First comment.

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Show it in fact.

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On episode 348 of the Charlie.

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And after my friends hearing it,

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they were a bit surprised.

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And some of them, one of them,

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instead of congratulating me on,
you know,

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going forward and being
individual,

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one of the rest of it
independent.

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I could say was, I can't believe
you said

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that's hard at the end.

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Which was a bit deflating.

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I thought, what can you do?

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Anyway, the news story.

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I submitted it on Newsvine.

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And it's also mean first of us
on another day

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and delicious.

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And it's nice and healthy.

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So, it's great.

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Timberd.org is great.

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And also, I suggest everyone
goes on

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www.tibberd.org.

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And, you know, come on.

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Get to the point dude.

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Which is that there's a link.

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Okay.

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To the point.

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Anyway.

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I wasn't actually going to be
talking about my post.

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I was going to be talking about
them.

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A guy a few comments after mine.

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Talked about something about
being superior.

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And, you know, knowing how to
podcast,

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because he's a podcaster.

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And, as a regular listen,

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also to Twitter, this week in
tech,

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I'm Leo Leport,

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also said a few tweets back.

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That podcast,

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and podcast listeners.

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There's always a one-to-one
ratio.

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And, you, as the pod father,

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I could understand why you're a
bit confused about that.

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Why is it the mainstream,

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or maybe the Wikipedia show?

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Why is it the mainstream
audience listening to podcasts?

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Well, before you go on,

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let me say, have you looked at
iTunes recently?

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Have you seen what's being
promoted?

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Have you looked at Yahoo?

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Seeing what's being promoted?

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Please.

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That's pretty obvious.

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You know, we're being shoved
down.

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But this has been happening for
a long, long time.

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So, that's one of the reasons.

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You see,

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I, as someone who likes to
introduce people

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to new things, such as video
gaming,

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and, you know, blogging,

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and read all web 2.0 services,

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like flicker, and rapper,

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and or blogger, and so on and so
forth.

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I like to introduce people to
podcasts,

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as well.

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What I found is that podcasting

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is kind of like a evolution from
blogging.

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Therefore, for people for some
people

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to be able to understand what
podcasting is,

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they need to be able to
understand what blogging is.

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And I find that I need to
explain to them

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what blogging is before I can
explain

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to them what podcasting is.

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And this is generally a problem.

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And so, as you can probably see,

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that's why,

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because of all the RSS fees and
XML fees,

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that there's usually one to one
ratio

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of podcasts and podcasts.

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This is, obviously, very simple,

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but, to the mainstream audience,

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it just looks too difficult to
be able to access.

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And that's why I'm about to say,

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and by the time you've played
this,

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you probably know what results

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to your core case.

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And that's what I have of
course.

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What results your core case is,

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and hope is a good one.

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Oh, yes, one more thing.

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And I was just thinking,

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because podcasts are so
addictive,

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and so great.

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I was just thinking that,

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maybe once people listen to
podcasts,

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I know for myself,

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this definitely is my case.

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In my case.

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Well, it's a lifting list in two
podcasts.

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They'll start podcasting
themselves,

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which is why there is a one to
one ratio.

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But anyway, it is very
complicated,

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especially for people that are
slightly less literate

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in a computer-wise.

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So that's why I have to say,

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add a goodbye.

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Not to tell this side, but
goodbye.

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Okay, not to talk.

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All right.

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To the people, chap.

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Okay.

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I don't think it's a one to one
ratio.

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That makes no sense.

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There's plenty of reports that
say,

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there's millions of listeners,

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and we have our own reports.

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I think that there's definitely

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between 10 and 15 million
listeners out there,

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a worldwide mind,

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which is a very, very small
percentage.

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So two things I think that
you're doing the right thing,

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if you're enjoying it,

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then you want to turn other
people on to it.

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The easiest way is probably just
send them a link and say,

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click on the frickin' link and
listen.

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Now, what you send them is of
great importance.

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This is another thing.

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You know, people,

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this is the sending thing that
happened with weblogs.

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Now, weblogs for years were seen
as,

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oh, well, that's just someone
writing about their cats

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or sitting in their pajamas,
kids.

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You've heard all the bullshit
about it.

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So it'll take a while.

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It may even take as much as four
more years.

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Maybe three years.

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I've been out for almost two
years,

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so I always go in five of your
cycles.

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So it could easily take three
more years

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before it really, really is
widely known what podcasts are.

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So I definitely want to put some
of the burden

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on the promotional activities
there on the listeners.

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And when you get your pod show
plus,

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it'll be much easier.

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Much easier to just enjoy pod
casting.

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Whether you want to subscribe or
not,

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and we make that very easy as
well.

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So look for that to come out.

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I think yesterday,

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they showed up just about
everything.

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I've been following along.

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I'm now running everything on
the podcast delivery network.

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And I'm subscribed through
everything on my pod show plus.

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And there's a pretty cool
player.

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It's really nice.

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So you can, you can,

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you can compile your own
playlist of your favorite
podcast.

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So let's just call those a
subscription.

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But in the player, you pop open
the player.

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And it's, it's its own window.

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And you can select.

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You can really do drill down and
move back and forth

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between what you're subscribed
to.

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So you can say, alright,

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I have a list of stuff that I,

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that I want to listen to in the
morning.

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If there's new podcasts,

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I pop up the player,

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select the playlist that I want
to hear.

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Immediately it shows you all the
new episodes.

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Audio, video, AVI,

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Windows, media,

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doesn't matter what it is at all
plays.

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It's very cool.

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And I think that will probably
make a big difference.

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Also, it does show notes.

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And oh, this is very cool.

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It does enhance podcasts.

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So it understands how to play
those and give you the pictures

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and the links that are
associated with it.

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So yeah, you're going to look
out.

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They're coming very, very soon.

20:40.000 --> 20:43.000
Lots of people sent me the link
to spamcube.com.

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Talking about yesterday's,

20:45.000 --> 20:50.000
or the ongoing talk about the
email tax.

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That AOL amongst others are
threatening,

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or I guess they're already
planning to put into place.

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And I said, wouldn't it be great
if you had a device

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that you just jacked into your
modem

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and it kind of took care of
everything?

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So spamcube.com, there you go.

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The world's first anti-spam
gadget for your home.

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All you do is, let me see,

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let me see if they have the tell
you how it does it.

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Yeah, say hi to spamcube.

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Just plug this plug in this
powerful little tool

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and you'll completely protect up
to four computers

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in your home from spam.

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Typical marketing.

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Makes no sense to technical
people.

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Our proprietary built-in
anti-spam technology

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stops spam, so there's no
subscription fee

21:30.000 --> 21:32.000
and it's easy to install.

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Also works with all operating
systems

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and virtually every email
program.

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So I guess what these guys do is
they have a service

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where your email, you'll see
your DSL was down.

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And this is how email was meant
to work by the way.

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Let's say your server at home is
down.

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You won't lose your email.

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It'll just be stored on their
service.

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And when your connection comes
back up,

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the email will be delivered.

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And you just get it from your
spamcube.

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And you can then determine what
is spam and what is not spam.

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But of course, they can
communicate with all the list,
et cetera.

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But it really gives you a lot
more control.

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Does it say, what is it cost?

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150 bucks, man.

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It should be offering some sex
favors for 150 bucks.

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But the idea is right.

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We're getting very close to some
consumer-based solutions on
that.

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Hi Adam.

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This is Christian from Sweden,

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without the podcast as yet.

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I just think that one way to
solve this thing

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with registration mail getting
lost

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would be to require people to do
things

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the other way around.

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Instead of sending registration
messages to people,

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you would have an email

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that they send to you and have
things on your mail service

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that have those emails trigger
their registration.

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Thank you and goodbye.

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Right.

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Yes.

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I appreciate the thought, but
that of course is not going to
work.

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The whole point of using email
is really for a confirmation

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that you are the person who you
say you are,

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or at least you are the email
address

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who says they are the email
address.

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It's so easy to spoof things the
other way around.

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Basically, I could go register
you,

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I could look up the code,

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and then I would email the code
coming from someone else's email
address.

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That's pretty simple to spoof,

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and then you still have to build
all kinds of stuff

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on the other end to stop the
spoofing.

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It's not that trivial.

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It's just, and people are really
misunderstanding

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that this is about spam.

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It's not about spam.

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It's about guaranteeing delivery
of messages

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to you from outsiders,

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whether you want it or not.

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Now, of course,

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I would presume that with the
AOL email tax,

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if you receive something that
has guaranteed delivery

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and you say I don't want to
receive this anymore,

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then you won't receive it
anymore.

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And presumably those folks won't
be

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charged for the privilege of not
being delivered.

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But in essence, it's just wrong.

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It's just wrong.

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Strong mail actually is the
company

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that we're talking to now about
helping pod show,

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and it's not because I agree
with what's happening.

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It's just because we have to get
moving.

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We have to fix this problem now,

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and we can't wait,

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because we can't even open up
sales

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on the pod sick music network

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without these registrations.

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Hey, everybody, raise your right
hand for a second.

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Go from left to right, say
goodbye.

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The satellite listeners, Windows
closed.

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It's just us now.

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I mean, that would be just us.

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It would be me and you and PW
Fenton.

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Okay, it's time to send an audio
comment to the boss.

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Now I know that the boss doesn't
really like

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being criticized by the hired
help,

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but you should also know that if
you say anything bad about me,

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nobody on serious will ever hear
it.

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But here's the thing.

24:56.000 --> 24:58.000
You are an American.

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You are not a Brit.

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I love Brits.

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Don't get me wrong.

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But Brits are odd people

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who drop syllables from
somewhere

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it's like turning military into
military.

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And then they add syllables to
other words,

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like turning aluminum into
aluminium.

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They don't need letters or any
actual syllables.

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They just say a syllable.

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This is a fact.

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And more importantly,

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it is not a controversy.

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I love seeing that word.

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As Brits has told you over and
over,

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it's a...

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That's right.

25:35.000 --> 25:36.000
Controversy.

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Hey.

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Tell all your listeners that
there are two new digital

25:39.000 --> 25:41.000
flotsome episodes in the shoot.

25:41.000 --> 25:44.000
First one may be a little weird
and different,

25:44.000 --> 25:45.000
but the second one,

25:45.000 --> 25:47.000
which should be out a few days
later,

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will be more likely shows that
they are used to.

25:50.000 --> 25:51.000
Who?

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Sorry.

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Tailwind.

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Oh, Peter.

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You fired.

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You're in so much trouble now,
man.

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I can just hear all the Brits
going.

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What?

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Feel free to send in your audio
comments for Peter.

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Make it creative.

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Do some work on it,

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so we can start a real
controversy around this.

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By the way,

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aluminium is actually the
correct...

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It's not just the pronunciation.

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It is the correct word for the
element.

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Is that an element?

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Well, for that metal.

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Aluminium, not aluminum.

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I believe aluminum is absolutely
incorrect.

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I could be wrong.

26:32.000 --> 26:35.000
Unless it's some kind of
derivative of aluminium,

26:35.000 --> 26:38.000
then we're just talking about
two separate things.

26:38.000 --> 26:40.000
The most talking about ayoda,

26:40.000 --> 26:43.000
the independent online
distribution alliance.

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This is an organization I'm
learning more about.

26:46.000 --> 26:50.000
They essentially distribute
music online.

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That would be sales.

26:52.000 --> 26:55.000
And they sit in between record
companies,

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mainly independent record
companies.

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I believe some artists who have
their own record companies.

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And services like Napster or
iTunes, etc.

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We've been talking about their
tower records,

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alliance that they've kind of
announced.

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I think the news got out a
little bit before they were
ready

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to really talk about it.

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Towerpod.com.

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There's not much there right
now.

27:16.000 --> 27:21.000
So the idea there is they're
going to take their catalog,

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which is six or seven thousand
songs.

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And any podcast that signs up
with them

27:26.000 --> 27:28.000
will be able to play the songs.

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Royalty free.

27:30.000 --> 27:32.000
I presume I haven't seen a
license yet.

27:32.000 --> 27:34.000
So I'm not sure if there's any
other caveats about

27:34.000 --> 27:38.000
playing songs in their entirety
or talking over intros or
anything like that.

27:38.000 --> 27:41.000
And they will be they have a
financial model,

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which is advertising.

27:42.000 --> 27:44.000
So advertising.

27:44.000 --> 27:46.000
And this is where I think it
kind of breaks down.

27:46.000 --> 27:50.000
Advertising will be split up
between the record company,

27:50.000 --> 27:53.000
who of course splits with the
artist,

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with ayoda and with tower
records.

27:56.000 --> 27:59.000
And then obviously any
affiliate, if they're going to
do an affiliate program.

27:59.000 --> 28:02.000
So it seems like it's going to
get really, really thin down.

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And of course transaction fees,

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with maybe tower stake and care
of that.

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So it seems like it's going to
get really thin.

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Now Tim Mitchell,

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who I heard talking at the
artist roundtable at podcast
hotel

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and Seattle recently,

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we discussed that on the
Charlie.

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He promised me an audio comment.

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And he sent in 15 minutes worth
of audio comment.

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A lot of background about
himself,

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and about ayoda, which is very
helpful.

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But very little to nothing about
what they're actually going to
be coming out with.

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So I didn't really feel like it
was appropriate to roll anything
out.

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But I will post his 15 minute
comments.

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So you can have a listen to it.

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But he didn't really,

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and I don't think he can
probably didn't really explain
anything about

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about what's coming up with
tower records.

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So hopefully when he can, he'll
let us on the Charlie here.

28:50.000 --> 28:53.000
No, because obviously I'm
excited about anything
independent happening.

28:53.000 --> 28:57.000
I'm also very curious to see how
this model's going to work out

28:57.000 --> 28:59.000
because it's a whole different
way of monetizing.

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And let me just say one thing.

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As I start to abstract myself a
little bit above all that.

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Now if you have a podcast,
right?

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And the podcast consists of
audio feedback,

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songs from independent
musicians,

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and anything that other people
create that you put on your
podcast.

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Just on the pure spec of it,

29:21.000 --> 29:23.000
you see this, you know, there's
two files.

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One could be a file from Matthew
Ebel,

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and one could be a file from
comic strip blogger.

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Both of them, creative works of
art.

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Both of them, MP3 files.

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No difference.

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Inter exchangeable.

29:36.000 --> 29:38.000
We'll play on the same devices.

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But for some reason, and this is
where I think we have to start
adjusting

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our thinking.

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For some reason, more value is
attached to the song.

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And I think that this is
artificial.

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It's an artificial value, which
I have no problem with,

29:52.000 --> 29:54.000
because I like to buy my music.

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And I like to support artists.

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And it's, you know, people who,
you know,

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who make music full time.

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It's very admirable.

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And, you know, I wish everybody
could,

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I really wish everybody could
make money with whatever the
hell they're doing.

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But there is no difference.

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And then again, I don't think
there's any difference with a
podcast file.

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In fact, I put out more MP3
files than any pod-safe music
artist

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that I know.

30:23.000 --> 30:27.000
I put out on a five a week,
almost, usually five a week.

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There, gosh, there's sometimes
10 times as large as other
files.

30:32.000 --> 30:36.000
Yet, they are deemed worthless
on a transaction basis.

30:36.000 --> 30:40.000
Although Ricky Jervais, of
course, is trying to show that
that's not entirely true.

30:40.000 --> 30:43.000
And even he's getting ripped off
and put on a bit torrent.

30:43.000 --> 30:46.000
And on some of the peer-to-peer
networks.

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So if you really just extract
yourself a little bit,

30:49.000 --> 30:52.000
you know, I think we have to be
realistic about, you know,

30:52.000 --> 30:55.000
about trying to shoehorn old
models into,

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into the digital world that we
live in.

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Now, I think that everyone has a
right to monetize.

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But that doesn't mean that it's
a God-given right

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and that that value is automatic
in my mind.

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So my way of monetizing is
through advertising.

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Most musicians weigh of
monetizing is either through
sales,

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or I think which is probably
even bigger through
merchandising

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and through concerts and gigs.

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And people who send feedback
into the daily source code,

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well, you know, I don't think
many people are looking to make
any money.

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You know, some people really do
a lot of work,

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and some people do less work.

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But take Jeff Smith, as an
example,

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is not a published musician.

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Actually, I'm sorry.

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Let me take that back.

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He doesn't have an album out,

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but he has plenty of songs on
the pot-save music network.

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But I know him, not through his
pot-save music songs.

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I know him through the stuff
that he sent into the show,

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you know, stuff like...

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I'll stop it now because you get
excited.

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Don't have anything from Roger
today either.

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So, you know, I want to help him
too.

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And when people say, hey, you
know, who made those great
jingles?

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Where do I get the ringtone?

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I'll pass them right on to Jeff.

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You know, so that's kind of how
we work stuff out.

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But I think we just have to be
very careful about

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carrying over a lot of these old
models.

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What else was I going to say
about that?

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Oh, yeah, one more time about
the Dutch Azkab BMI,

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the Buma STEM era.

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So I was looking at the articles
again.

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You know, these are the guys
that collect the money

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from everybody and everything
that could ever play

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a radio or a CD player or
anything in their place of
business.

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And they're supposed to
distribute that to the artists.

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And what they've done
consistently is they've invested
that money.

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And they usually have a two to
three-year delay

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before they start paying out
funds, of course,

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it's on a rolling.

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So if you start today as an
artist

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and those public performance
rights organizations

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are collecting money for you,

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they don't start to give you
money until two or three years.

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But then, of course, it
continues after that

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if you continue to put out more
music.

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But in that interim period, they
invest your money.

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They've invested in almost 300
different

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investments.

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They don't list what they are in
their annual report.

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They had 330 million euros
invested

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and lost 46 million.

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46 million of other people's
money of artists money.

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And I want to make mention of
this

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because what I don't think
people realize is that

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this is, yeah, sure, it's Dutch
artists money too.

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But this, you know, we're just
what's going to happen.

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This is going to be huge
lawsuits, huge organizations

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and from the US, you know, all
the big companies

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they're going to come in and
they're going to kick these guys

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ass for doing that stuff.

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It's just unbelievable.

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No regard for intellectual
property right there.

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I wanted to read you this quote
again

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as we talk about the tiered
internet.

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I'm not going to make it too
long today.

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I just have a couple more things
I want to play.

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This was from the CEO of SBC,
who of course,

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purchased AT&T.

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I don't know.

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I just got a banner ad here.

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An SAP on business business
week.

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Okay.

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Let me just find this.

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What's his name?

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His name is Ed Something.

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Of course, I probably,

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here we go.

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November 7th interview with
Business Week online,

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AT&T CEO Edward Whitaker,

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Jr. declared,

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quote,

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what Google,

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Vonage,

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and others would like to do is
to use my pipes free,

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but I ain't going to let him do
that.

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Whitaker and AT&T argue that
they need flexibility

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to exact a toll from web
services that hog bandwidth.

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As broadband use grows,

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the bells and cable companies
say that intensive users

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aren't paying their fair share.

34:59.000 --> 35:02.000
File shares swapping user can
movies account for 60%

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of North American residential
broadband use estimates

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David Caputo CEO of Sandvine in
Waterloo, Ontario,

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which sells technology to manage
network traffic.

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Yet over eaters get preferential
treatment

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over weaker ones.

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So the main thing here is that
this guy,

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Edward Whitaker, Jr. said,

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Google, Vonage, and others.

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And I'm really looking at Google
more than Vonage.

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Vonage is voice over IP.

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That's a whole different thing
about who's packets

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to get delivered and all the
shit that's all.

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It's frightening is really what
it is.

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Got some feedback on it.

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Aloha, Adam,

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this is the digital slot curve
brando

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from the digital slot pod
podcast at digitalslob.com.

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I've been listening intently
lately

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to the DSC or the Charlie or the
Cha Cha

35:51.000 --> 35:54.000
or the Chimachanga lately,

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especially episodes in the upper
340s,

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about the so-called tiered
internet.

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I'm glad you're shedding light
on this complex,

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but important topic.

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I'm writing about it this week
in my syndicated humor column.

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I just wanted to bounce this
metaphor off you and you're

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maybe your listeners and the
hopes of boiling it all down

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into a nice little edible bond
mall.

36:12.000 --> 36:15.000
You can tell me how on the
market might be.

36:15.000 --> 36:16.000
As it stands right now,

36:16.000 --> 36:18.000
the birthday party photos I
forwarded to my sister

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bounce around in the same
sandbox at amazon.com

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uses to ship us whatever Oprah
tells us to read,

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but cable companies want a
higher profile piece of the
action.

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It seems to me even though
they're basically just a
utility.

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It's too bad because rich people
can already

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buy huge TVs, expensive clothes
and nonstop flights

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to Europe and seats that were
flying all the way back.

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But even then there are limits.

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I mean, even they can't write a
check,

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so big it would allow them to
flush a pot roast

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down the toilet.

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A rising digital age tide should
raise all ships in my opinion.

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And that means raising the bar
not only for excellence,

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but for mediocrity as well.

36:55.000 --> 36:56.000
Let me give you an example.

36:56.000 --> 36:59.000
Weeks ago I created a song
called Digital Slop Pod Fever

36:59.000 --> 37:02.000
and uploaded it to the Pod Safe
Music Network.

37:02.000 --> 37:04.000
Thanks to royalty-free music
loops,

37:04.000 --> 37:07.000
drag and drop functionality in
my wife's voice.

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She owed me a favor for making
me sit through a mat

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and they have chicken little.

37:11.000 --> 37:12.000
Anyway, I made a song.

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It was rancid and a bismal by
every measure,

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but a song anyway.

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It's still free for the taking
on the PMN.

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I guess a little bit like the
way a tire fire would be free

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for the taking for anyone who
wanted to cart it away.

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But even as bad as it is,

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if I took it back in time,

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I'm pretty sure I could get a
record deal

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and airtime on MTV between
Mickey

37:30.000 --> 37:33.000
by Tony Bazel and I ran by
Flocke Seagulls.

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It even ended up, as it turns
out,

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as an intro to music on the mic,

37:37.000 --> 37:40.000
Marka Barshow out of Amsterdam a
while back.

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The point, however,

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is that the song was made and is
available,

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thanks in part to the
universally available web

37:47.000 --> 37:49.000
that's fast enough and cheap
enough to move it around.

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And to an ego big enough to
insist I wasted an entire day

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making it.

37:53.000 --> 37:56.000
But if I'm ever to take my
musical career to the next level

37:56.000 --> 37:57.000
from awful 80s,

37:57.000 --> 38:00.000
one hit wonder to awful 21st
century Mozart,

38:00.000 --> 38:02.000
you can bet I would need a
smarter application

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bigger memory and a faster
internet

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and it's got to be roughly the
same price

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for else it won't happen.

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Any more investment on the front
end would require

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some initial talent,

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not to mention a divorce.

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I suspect the next would be
Google

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or it would be Amazon.com would
be in a similar predicament.

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But given the same tools,

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imagine what someone with true
abilities

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would be able to accomplish.

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So, let's not organize the web

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like the Titanic,

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stifling the best and brightest
way back in the series.

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Let's push all our pipe dreams

38:29.000 --> 38:31.000
through the same pipe.

38:31.000 --> 38:32.000
That's the bond model there.

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Okay, sure.

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Wondering.

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Mahalo Adam and let me know

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when I can join the PD and party

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because I know there's a line
forming

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that's longer than the one to
get into the Don

38:41.000 --> 38:43.000
who showed down at the Waikiki
Beach Comer.

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Just a bit of feedback from your
friendly

38:45.000 --> 38:47.000
neighborhood digital slob.

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Aloha.

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Mahalo Aloha.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So, I have a whole bunch of
different comments

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about that which I'm going to
save until tomorrow

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at towards the end of the show.

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We'll do a thank God it's Friday
edition.

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Hopefully, a celebratory
edition.

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That would be very cool.

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Of course, I'll be posting
something

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on curry.com later today

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if I have anything to report

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and I surely hope I do

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sometimes as I stated before,

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you know, the courts will just
say,

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oh, you know, we actually put
the judgment

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and envelope sent it off.

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You'll have it by Monday.

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It's happened to me before.

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Believe me.

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One final piece of information

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which pertains to podcasters.

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This comes from duck from the
rock cast

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Italia from Italy.

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Of course.

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Adam, you were right.

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It's dangerous to put our
podcasters

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in the hands of others.

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I'm not quite sure what that was
about.

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Oh, I see.

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Right now feed burner is
unreachable

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from the most important ADSL
provider in Italy.

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And it's been like this since
Saturday.

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It looks like other parts of
Europe are affected too.

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Feed burner is aware of the
problem,

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but can't do much.

39:49.000 --> 39:51.000
And here's what they said.

39:51.000 --> 39:52.000
And I'll quote from the email.

39:52.000 --> 39:55.000
We've received a report from our
hosting provider

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stating that there is a routing

39:57.000 --> 39:58.000
slash peering problem

39:58.000 --> 40:01.000
between global crossing and sea
bone.

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Unfortunately, this problem is
outside

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of the control of both feed
burner

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and the providers that feed
burner is connected to.

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There's currently no estimated
time of arrival on

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when this problem will be
resolved.

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We will continue to communicate
with our providers

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and pass on any additional
information

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as it becomes available.

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So that's a huge problem.

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That can happen to any ISP.

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So the way it works.

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And this is exactly what could
happen

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with teared internet.

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Remember we talked about peering
the other day.

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So global crossing and sea bone,

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both are backbone providers.

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And the agreements that these
huge backbone providers

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like AT&T have is,

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look, you hand off X amount of
traffic,

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all hand off X amount of traffic
to you.

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And since it's kind of the same,

40:49.000 --> 40:50.000
we call it a wash,

40:50.000 --> 40:52.000
no money changes hands,

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and they call that peering.

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Which comes from the telco world
in general,

40:57.000 --> 40:59.000
where there's a settlement at
the end of the month.

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You know, if I make a call from
you through

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two here in the UK to your
phone,

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which is through AT&T in the
States.

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At the end of the month,

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there's a settlement in the two
companies.

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You know, say, okay,

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you know, I sent these calls to
you.

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That'll be you know,

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$3 million.

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And they say, okay,

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well, we had $2.7 million.

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And so they figure all of that
stuff out.

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This huge systems that calculate
that.

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But on internet traffic,

41:22.000 --> 41:24.000
it's almost impossible to count
it.

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So the or at least down to,

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you know, some particular
levels.

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That's what IPv6 is supposed to
solve.

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Look, I'm not a technologist in
that, in that regard.

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But here it is.

41:34.000 --> 41:36.000
So there's, I think I've looked
for it.

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Any border gateway protocol

41:38.000 --> 41:40.000
geeks out there who want to help
us out with

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what the dispute is between
global crossing

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and seabone.

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Please let me know.

41:44.000 --> 41:46.000
It sounds like there's a dispute
probably saying,

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hey, you know, we're not getting
off traffic from you.

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So we're breaking our peering
agreement.

41:50.000 --> 41:51.000
It could be something like that.

41:51.000 --> 41:53.000
And this is exactly what could
happen

41:53.000 --> 41:55.000
with a multi-tiered internet.

41:55.000 --> 41:57.000
So now a large part of Europe,

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Italy is a pretty large part.

41:59.000 --> 42:03.000
Cannot reach feed burner and
other parts of the world

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may be affected as well.

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In fact, while I'm here right
now,

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why don't I just check to see if
I can reach them.

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Feed burner dot com.

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And yeah, no problem.

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No problem from the UK on easy
net.

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So that works.

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At the end of the day, my
friends,

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where there comes to lawsuits,
arguments,

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broken peering agreements,
theft,

42:32.000 --> 42:34.000
endangerment,

42:34.000 --> 42:36.000
when all of a sudden done

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and when it all comes down to
it,

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there's only one type of person

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that wins consistently.

42:43.000 --> 42:45.000
There are rats.

42:45.000 --> 42:46.000
There are bats.

42:46.000 --> 42:47.000
There are sting,

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community cats.

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But the worst thing in the world

42:50.000 --> 42:52.000
is a lawyer.

42:52.000 --> 42:53.000
There are easels.

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There are scones.

42:54.000 --> 42:55.000
There are bandits.

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[ Music ]

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But the worst thing in the world
is a lawyer

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With their coops and their
coitities

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Their fees and their contingency

45:10.000 --> 45:14.000
Yes, the worst thing in the
world

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Is a lawyer

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Yes, the worst thing in the
world

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