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Delta Sierra Charlie 3-5-3

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For giving me pot father, for I
have since saved

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With $16 million worth of
airplane strapped to my ass.

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Than the next generation radio
content in my ears.

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I like to think I'm flying into
this jerk.

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Fantastic, it's Adam Curry.

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You're looking for a better man.

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[ Music ]

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They can't know us.

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They can't know us.

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Things are looking up.

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American heartbreak.

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Michael Butler's band.

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Michael Butler's band.

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Everybody, how are you doing?

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Coming to you from northern
California.

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It is bright and early.

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It's 10 minutes.

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The time that I'm making this
podcast.

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But we're here in San Francisco.

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And once again, my little
commute went very successfully.

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Let me just say a couple things
about American heartbreak.

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As I said, that's Michael
Butler's band.

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It's brand new.

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They have a record coming out on
April 18th.

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And they're starting a tour next
Wednesday on the 22nd March in
Las Vegas.

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And I believe they're actually.

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I don't know if it's the whole
tour of it's just this
particular date.

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But in Vegas, they're playing
with the helicopters.

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I'm told are pretty damn good.

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So has Michael said here.

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The song is things are looking
up.

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It's no Matthew evil, but it's
okay.

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It's very, very, very much okay.

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Ah, yes. Well, let me tell you a
little bit about the past 24
hours.

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Actually, it was really
interesting.

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For me to have recorded the
show, the Daily Source code for
Tuesday.

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Now, I recorded that Monday
night, but it actually didn't go
up until Tuesday morning.

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So I got on a plane. I flew like
9,000 miles.

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It was a long flight this time
was 10 hours and 26 minutes.

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Which was, you know, that's like
a four movie, a four movie
flight right there.

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And then I arrived at the condo,
say, I was in like 230 something
like that.

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And then I flipped on serious.

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And then I could hear the show.

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I actually got here before the
show got here.

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It was the weirdest thing
because, of course, on a serious
satellite,

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we're on a star's 102 channel
102 now.

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So we were, so you got Howard at
100 101 is the Howard News
channel.

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And then 102 is where you can
find us every week.

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After noon, between three and
seven Pacific six and ten
Eastern time.

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So it was, it was just, it was
twisted, as weather was.

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Okay, movies on the flight.
Let's see.

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Good night and good luck.

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Now, it was actually bad luck
for this movie that it was the
first thing I watched because,
you know,

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I got, I left it, you know, 830
in the morning.

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We'd had a really long busy
weekend. So I was pretty tired.

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And of course, they offer you
that come when you got on the
plane.

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It's like, would you like
champagne?

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Just like, I want champagne to
live in the morning.

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Or do you want orange juice?

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Well, why don't you throw the
two of them together.

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Some of us call that a mimosa in
the UK.

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It's called a boxfiz.

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So I was kind of loosen relax.

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I think I fell asleep five times
during that movie.

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I just couldn't get into it.

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For some reason, it just didn't
work for me.

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And I saw the movie with 50
cent, 50 cent.

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What is it to get rich or die?

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Get rich faster die or die
trying something like that.

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Actually, pretty damn good
movie.

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Yeah, it was really, I think,
really gave it pretty good look
into the hip hop culture

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and where a lot of hip hop and
rap artists come from.

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And got, I can't remember the
third movie I watched.

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I'm fuzzy.

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And the reason I'm fuzzy is
because after I got it, and by
the way, the apartment,

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I don't know what happened to
the cleaning crew,

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but they went through this place
like the white tornado.

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Unbelievable.

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They washed my bathrobe.

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My toilet paper was even folded
in a nice little, you know,

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pointy thing that you get in
hotels.

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The silverware.

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As you know, when we ordered all
that stuff for the condo,

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Patricia got 100, 100 knives,
100 forks,

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and hadn't even unpacked half of
them.

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They were still in their plastic
sheets.

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Well, guess what?

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Every single one was unpacked
and organized in the draw.

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All the draws were reorganized.

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But it was fantastic.

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I guess there's more women in my
life now

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that I don't even know about who
we're doing a great job.

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I love it. I love it. I love it.

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So today we'll talk a little bit
about pot-saving music network,

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because we got to, we'll do that
after the satellite window
closes.

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There's just some stuff that I
wanted to catch up on.

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Oh yeah, so I went to the HQ
after enjoying the lovely fresh
apartment.

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You know, I figured you stop
buying, say hi to everybody
around 4 o'clock.

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And it was jam, you walk in, it
was just one big,

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bubbling, lukewarm,

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peachy dish of creativity.

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You know, it could just feel it
oozing all over the place.

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It was fantastic.

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You know, so I hung out and said
hi to everybody, try to catch
up.

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And then around 6 o'clock
everyone went next door to 21st
Amendment,

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which is like a bar restaurant
that is literally next door to a
pot-show HQ.

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And so I thought I'd go hang
out.

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And you know how when you're,
when you're,

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I mean, after a transatlantic
flight, you know,

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I was hungry, but not really
hungry.

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You know, I still don't know
where, you know,

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I don't know my ass from my
elbow, basically, at this point.

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But then you think about having
a martini with some olives,

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you know, a gray goose, vodka
martini, dirty olives.

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And it almost makes you feel
hungry for some reason.

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When you're hungry, you can feel
like, yeah,

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that old, that kind of filled me
up a little bit.

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And as you know, I'm not a
drinker at all.

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So I think I had, I'm sure I had
two.

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Maybe I had three.

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Whoa, oh man, it made like a ton
of bricks.

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I came back.

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Actually, I didn't come back.

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Richard Brewer, hey, brought me
back.

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He dropped me off and I came
upstairs.

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And I unpacked the rest of my
suitcase,

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which meant I literally threw
all the elements of the studio,

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which I carry with me through
them down on the bar here,

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and just went to bed.

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You know, I was asleep by nine
o'clock.

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And just completely out.

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I couldn't walk straight.

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And I woke up.

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I didn't even set an alarm.

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You know, I woke up at, oh, was
it?

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Four o'clock?

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Yeah, four, 15 a.m.

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And even though my brain was
completely awake,

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and I'm ready and rocking and
rolling to go,

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like, okay, I'll get up.

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And you know, I'll start
prepping the show,

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and going through just tons of
email,

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because when you travel for 10
hours,

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you lose track of every email
thread,

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it's just so much incoming.

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And I was still, who see I was
still like walking around.

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Oh, he's a,

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I gotta stay away from drink.

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It is not my poison.

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Let me tell you.

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So, on the show today,

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some interesting feedback,

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and this first one,

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I definitely want to take a
little bit of time

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going through.

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It's, it's from,

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well, I'm not even going to tell
you who is from.

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It was from Vasily.

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And I know Vasily.

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In fact, he sent me this email,

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said, do you remember your trip
to Moscow in 1989?

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I do.

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I was there.

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We met.

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We worked together.

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Now, it, of course,

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you know, this doesn't
immediately spark off all kinds
of,

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oh, yes.

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Of course, I remember Vasily.

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That was a very, very weird
trip.

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He says, I hope you find this
bit of audio feedback
entertaining.

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Is anything I can do for you?

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Let me know,

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all the best to you and your
family,

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keep podcasting Vasily.

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Okay.

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So, let's, let's just go through
this email.

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Let me just set the stage for
you.

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This is 1989.

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The Berlin Wall still firmly in
place.

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Doc McGee, manager of Bon Jovi,

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Motley crew, Skid Row, and a
couple others.

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He had been busted for, I think,

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he had a plane, a private jet or
something

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that had been confiscated

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because it had, I don't know,

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a couple tons of weed on board

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that they were flying into
Miami.

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And anyways, a part of his get
out of jail free.

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He had to do a number of
anti-alcohol anti-drug events.

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And so he put together this
Moscow Music Peace Festival,

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which was, of course, a great
idea

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to take a whole bunch of rock
and rollers.

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Musicians, over to Lenin Stadium
in Moscow

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and put on a show.

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And of course, MTV went along.

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The whole show was, and these
were the days,

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I think Billy Joel had just been
there two weeks before.

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So there was a lot of stuff
happening

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in the East Block and it was
really an interesting time

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for musicians from the West to
come in.

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And so we actually took a plane
from Newark.

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And see, on the plane in Newark,

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Ozzy was on there.

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You know, the Bon Jovis, Montley
Crew, Skid Row.

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I don't remember everybody.

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Giza Butler was on, of course,
with Ozzy

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for a mini black Sabbath
reunion.

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And it was just a regular
chartered flight.

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No first class, all kind of like
an airbus,

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like an easy jet idea.

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And then we first flew to
Germany to pick up the scorpions

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and then from Germany went over
to Russia.

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It was a pretty long flight.

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And I think I've talked about
some of the things

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that went on on the flight over
there.

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Then we arrived in Moscow.

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And this was really the time
when your passport

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were confiscated upon entering
the country.

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And it was really, it was kind
of weird and intense.

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And then the hotel that we
stayed in, in the middle of
Moscow.

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You know, it was a luxury hotel,

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but this is pretty rich, rich
Russia.

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And the rest, excuse me, the
rest, we really,

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with the hell was that, oh, I
guess I did set my alarm.

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What is that?

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What?

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Hold on.

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Oh.

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Don't go away.

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It'll never shut off if I don't
do it.

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Hold on a second.

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Okay.

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So that's how the vodka Martinez
worked.

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I don't even remember setting it
alarm,

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but it makes sense that I set it
at 6 a.m.

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to get going.

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All right.

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Let's continue.

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So this hotel, which was the
luxury hotel,

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the mattresses were basically
straw filled with straw.

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There was warm water, but that
was only because they turned on
the warm water

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in that particular section of
the city just for us.

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And it was weird because, oh,
God.

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How many alarms are going to go
off here?

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Stop this already.

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Jesus Christ.

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Interrupting the flow of my
show.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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Okay.

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I set two alarms.

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I'm telling you, I should not be
drinking martinis.

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All right, continuing.

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So you can imagine that this was
a really, really weird vibe.

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And I'm going to play this audio
comment.

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I'm going to interrupt it here
and there to just give you some
background.

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What's some of the things that
Vasily is talking about.

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But now, of course, I do
remember.

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And he remembers my trip a lot
better than I do.

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Hello there, Adam.

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This is Vasily Strunnikov in
Moscow.

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You might remember me from your
trip to Russia in 1989

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when you and MTV were here for
the big music and peace festival

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at Lenin Stadium with Bomb Jovis
Cinderella's Skid Row and
others.

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I was your Russian-American
translator.

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Baby sitter.

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Now, that's when I remembered.

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Oh, yeah, I do remember we had a
guy with spoke excellent
English.

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And the English he's speaking
now is even better than I recall
it.

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And he was our guide.

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Of course, there was no MTV
Russia at the time,

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but we'll get into that in a
second.

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Remember all the vodka and the
late night parties at Gorky
Park?

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Yes, not just Gorky Park, but I
think we went to the red square
as well.

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Now, you have to understand.

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This was an anti-drug and anti
alcohol concert.

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And Vasily was completely
trashed on the plane before we
even,

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you know, were out of the
outside of US airspace.

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I think I've told you that story
where he was standing in the,

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standing in the aisle next to
the laboratory,

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which someone was, you know, was
occupied.

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And he's just standing like,

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Sherrad.

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Sherrad.

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I got it.

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I got it.

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Sherrad.

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And he didn't help.

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And he just wet himself right
there.

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It was the most embarrassing
thing.

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Not just for him.

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We were all embarrassed for him.

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Okay.

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So, yeah, lots, I remember lots
of vodka,

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Comrade.

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I certainly, isn't that a
coincidence that I had all the
vodka last night

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and we're talking about vodka
again this morning?

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A big boat with a KGB hookers.

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There indeed, I don't know if
it's still there,

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but there was a boat.

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And this boat was basically a
horror house.

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And there was also a bar and any
Westerner could go,

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could go to this boat.

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And you walk a gangplank.

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Oh, man, I'm starting to
remember this now, gosh.

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And there are all these little
births and bunks and little
doors.

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And maybe 20 or something like
that.

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It was a reasonably sized boat
or barge or whatever.

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And they were all hookers.

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But of course, they were all KGB
hookers.

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And at least that's what we were
told.

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It's like, whatever you do, man,
you do not want to have sex

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with any of the hookers over
there because they're all
affiliated with the KGB.

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And what they'll do is they'll
blackmail you.

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And then before you know it,
you're going to be an agent.

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You'll have to be spying on your
own country because they'll
blacken out.

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It's like, whoa.

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And by the way, let me just say,

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not that I would do anything
like that anyway.

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But there was nothing there for
me, my friends.

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Nothing.

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Or the time Kurt Loader got so
loaded that we almost blocked
him

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at Red Square.

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In fact, he's sin along a
picture,

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which I'm going to post along
with opposite on curry dot com

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along with the show notes.

16:50.000 --> 16:54.000
He has a picture of Kurt Loader
completely hammered on a chair

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with some woman hanging over
him.

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I don't remember who she was.

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But yes, I do remember we lot.

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We couldn't find Kurt.

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He was gone.

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It was gone for hours.

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This is one of our like three
a.m.

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Hey, let's, it's a great idea.

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Let's go drink some vodka on Red
Square.

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Yeah, that'll be fun.

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Which, of course, it was.

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And at that time, oh my God,

17:12.000 --> 17:15.000
the Moscow Hell's Angel showed
up.

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Completely outlawed group of
guys,

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you know, driving Java
motorcycles and popping off,

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popping wheelies and flipping
off the back.

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And very, very intense scene.

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So yes, I remember that
particularly Kurt getting so
loaded

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and we lost him.

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Picture will be on curry dot
com.

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Check it out in the show notes
for today.

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The stories, the memories.

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You know what's interesting?

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You and I have quite a few
things in common.

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Like you, I spent my childhood
in Maryland.

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I've been in broadcasting for
over 25 years.

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I am a former MTV VJ.

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MTV Russia, that is.

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And like you,

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I advocate and support
podcasting.

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In my case, Russian podcasting.

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About a year ago, while
listening to your show,

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I thought, why not start
podcasting in Russia?

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So we launched Russia's first
and only podcast directory site

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at Russianpodcasting.ru.

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Now, the local press are having
a field day with this.

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They can't get enough of the
fact that there is something

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strange about XMTVVJs that makes
them engage in such activities
as podcasting.

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They mention you and their
articles all the time, Adam.

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Anyway, we're celebrating our
first anniversary with a big
conference,

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and a big shout out to all
Russians around the world,

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listening to your show to check
us out at Russianpodcasting.ru.

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And speaking of Russians around
the world,

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remember the time in 1989 when
you were bored in the production
office at Lenin Stadium?

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You know, there was a lot of
boredom during that week we were
there.

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I'll tell you that.

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So yeah, I remember some of it.

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And you grabbed a polaroid
camera and started taking
pictures of yourself.

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Well, another famous Russian in
the international podcast
community,

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Marc Yoshimoto Nemtsoff has my
exclusive on that story.

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But if you play this bit of
feedback, I'm willing to
renegotiate.

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Hold on a second, you think a
comma, commie dickhead?

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What do you blackmailing me now?

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Like, you're some KGB hooker on
a barge?

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I'm not afraid, man.

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Actually, when I heard this, you
heard this audio comment.

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And then it got to this point,
I'm like, oh, man, you know, the
voice, everything.

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It's a joke.

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It's a specific host to Hellway
joke.

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But it isn't because this guy is
for real.

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Vasily is for real.

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Russian podcasting.ru is for
real.

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The Kurt Loder picture I put up
is for real.

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The stories are for real.

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And we should really do a Skype
conference because I've been
feeling that Vasily will
remember

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a hell of a lot more than I did,
but maybe when he recalls some
of the things that

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that happened during that trip,
I might be able to chime in.

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But, you know, man, don't go
blackmailing me.

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Just some of the damn pictures
I'll post him.

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There's nothing I can be here
for.

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I'm ashamed of absolutely not.

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Come on, man.

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And I played your thing anyway.

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Thanks for all good luck and
dolls.

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Vidanya.

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Don't come red curry.

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Rosridania.

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Hey, there you go.

20:29.000 --> 20:30.000
Come red curry.

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That's a good one.

20:31.000 --> 20:34.000
It's come red curry in the curry
condo.

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Coming to you from Northern
California.

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And it's actually looking
outside.

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I think it's going to be, um,
looks like it's going to be
overcast.

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There's no sun coming up yet.

20:44.000 --> 20:46.000
Man, there's so many people
going to work at this time in
the morning.

20:46.000 --> 20:50.000
There's already a traffic jam
almost coming off of the Bay
Bridge.

20:50.000 --> 20:52.000
And I noticed that the Coca-Cola
sign is broken.

20:52.000 --> 20:55.000
It just says enjoy, which is
kind of nice.

20:55.000 --> 20:57.000
The Coca-Cola piece never
appears.

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It just says enjoy.

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And it stays there all night.

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All right, Vasily.

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Very cool, man.

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Good to hear from you.

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I really appreciate the Kurt
Loder pick.

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And I appreciate you reminding
me of some of the things that
some of the things that

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the took place during that
infamous trip for the Moscow
Music Peace Festival, which I
guess

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the whole concert was, uh, was
recorded.

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I remember MTV aired.

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I don't know if they still have
it or if they'll ever aired
again, but it was,

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it was definitely good times, my
friend.

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Good times.

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And, uh, well, kind of staying
over in that region of the
world, way

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Yantan, send me an email.

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Adam, hope that podcasting will
kick off in China.

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My thoughts are that it will.

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But as soon as a comment is made
about the country values,

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perhaps communist or otherwise,
the government or the internet
police.

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Hmm, I didn't know they had
actual internet police, but
wouldn't put it past them.

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They will ban it.

21:49.000 --> 21:54.000
We are talking about a country
that changed the title of
Despert Housewives to Crazy
Housewives

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and censored all the sex scenes
because they thought it was too
promiscuous.

21:58.000 --> 21:59.000
Oh, that's interesting.

21:59.000 --> 22:04.000
If you take out all the sex
scenes out of Despert
Housewives, what's left of the
show?

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I wonder how Pacifico's hellway
or East Radio will even get to
air in China.

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I would really love to hear what
you have to say about that at a
future daily source code way.

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Yeah.

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Thank you very much, way.

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Well, it's going to be
interesting, you know.

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I think, I guess that you're in
China.

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So you obviously know about
Pacifico's hellway and East
Radio.

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I think that, you know, that's
one thing.

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And what's probably much more
interesting and exciting is to
see what the Chinese are going
to do with podcasting.

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And what are they going to be
sending our way?

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I think that's the stuff that is
exciting and interesting.

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There's enough ways for the
Chinese to understand what's
going on in the culture in the
West,

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but for us to understand what's
going on there is a completely
different story.

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And with all the millions and
millions of portable devices and
cell phones,

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I think that we're going to be
able to learn quite a lot about
podcasting from portable
devices.

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And we certainly hope to reach
our 100 million mini screens in
China as we're going for 100
million listeners here.

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In the US and in Europe.

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And actually today, I have a
meeting.

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It's going to be a good meeting
with British telecom.

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Out here, all their marketing
mucks are here for some
conference or something.

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And they've asked Ron and I to
come over and talk about
podcasting.

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Could this finally be the kick
in the pants that the United
Kingdom needs to really get it
all cranking?

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I think it's very possible.

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These guys definitely have a
hold on a lot of the broadband
market.

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And I think determined a lot of
what is taking place in the UK
as it pertains to alternate
forms of media.

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And now the BBC is getting very,
very close to releasing a lot of
shows as podcasts.

23:49.000 --> 23:53.000
In fact, people send me a couple
of links to shows that haven't
been publicized yet,

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but our podcast, there's a daily
news podcast that I like a lot,

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that's kind of a collection of
all the BBC radio news shows.

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And it's about, you know, 15, 20
minutes perfect to catch up on.

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If you just want to know what's
happening in the world of, of
onty of the BBC.

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But they still don't actually
talk a lot about podcasts and
they talk about web casting or
alternative radio.

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And so, you know, there could be
something going on there.

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Those of you listening to a
serious channel 102.

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This is the daily source code
part of the pod show line up.

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Up next, we will have Pacific
Coastel way.

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Followed by yeast radio and Dawn
and Drew.

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We'll take you up until 10
o'clock eastern time, 7 Pacific.

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And I'll see you back here
tomorrow.

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Bye-bye.

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And for those of you still
hanging out on the podcast,
let's continue, shall we?

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I've got a few things that I
wanted to catch up on.

24:39.000 --> 24:42.000
I just didn't feel right about,
you know, dropping the topics
of,

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let's see, internet surcharges.

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It's one thing that we've been
talking about.

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I've got so many different
pieces of feedback.

24:49.000 --> 24:53.000
So many people, you know,
weighing in on what this means
and how it's going to work.

24:53.000 --> 24:56.000
And it seems to be actually
still quite confusing.

24:56.000 --> 24:57.000
Here's a comment about it.

24:57.000 --> 24:58.000
Let's see what this is.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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How many are you so soft?

25:01.000 --> 25:05.000
It's a Charlie 340 last night
and heard the comments by the
listener.

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Pretending to tear your
internet, the stemmed from your
discussion of DSC.

25:10.000 --> 25:13.000
AT&T's proposed acquisition of
Bell South.

25:13.000 --> 25:16.000
There seems to be a lot of
misconceptions running around
the internet,

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especially in the podcasting
community of what the R box true
intentions are.

25:20.000 --> 25:26.000
Unfortunately, they do not
articulate those intentions very
well.

25:26.000 --> 25:30.000
Their management, they're well,
their dinosaurs, frankly.

25:30.000 --> 25:35.000
And they're not very good at
communicating with their
customers,

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the public.

25:36.000 --> 25:42.000
Unfortunately, that's not their
fault so much as a problem that
exists in the,

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in the environment they've been
brought up in as they've risen
through the ranks.

25:49.000 --> 25:54.000
What they're really talking
about here is a differentiated
service,

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not shutting off any or blocking
any potential services of people
that don't pay the ransom

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or giving any crummy services
because you don't pay this so
called ransom,

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but providing a better quality
service for those people that
want to provide

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a specific time-sensitive
services.

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I'm just going to stop this
right here, hold on a second.

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I'm going to reconfigure
everything, oh man.

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I don't buy it at all.

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You know, what's happening is
it's happening all over the
media landscape

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and telecommunications
landscape.

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We've known for years and years
that all the things the
telephone line does

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can be done through IP through
internet protocol traffic.

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This is what we're seeing with
all these voiceover IP services.

26:42.000 --> 26:47.000
I literally think that we're at
this point now where voiceover
IP and people

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using Skype or Vonage or what
have you is really hurting the
telecos business.

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They're seeing all this money
they're pouring into backbones.

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They're seeing basically that
they're not a part of the
content piece.

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This is what's happening.

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Now whether I'm making a phone
call to you over the internet,

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or whether I'm making a podcast,
or whether whatever it is,

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they understand unlike the Dutch
court system.

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They understand that that
content has a much higher value
than the roads that it

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travels over.

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And they want a piece of it.

27:17.000 --> 27:18.000
That's basically it.

27:18.000 --> 27:20.000
They're looking at Google
saying, oh shit.

27:20.000 --> 27:22.000
You know, these guys are making
money.

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Thanks to our pipes.

27:23.000 --> 27:24.000
Yeah, we'll not just your pipes.

27:24.000 --> 27:26.000
Thanks to a whole bunch of
people's pipes.

27:26.000 --> 27:29.000
And now that I'm investigating
this situation more,

27:29.000 --> 27:33.000
it's going to be very hard for
them to do any of this,

27:33.000 --> 27:37.000
this metering or this
prioritizing of packets.

27:37.000 --> 27:40.000
And less everyone is full, I
think.

27:40.000 --> 27:42.000
And this is just a layman
speaking here.

27:42.000 --> 27:45.000
And less everyone is fully, what
is it?

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IPv6 compatible.

27:47.000 --> 27:50.000
So version 6 of the internet
protocol.

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And so maybe it's just a lot of
talk.

27:52.000 --> 27:54.000
Maybe they'll try to do it
through legislation.

27:54.000 --> 27:57.000
But whatever happens, it is
definitely in my mind,

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not the way to make this, to
make this all.

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I'd rather pay more money just
for my monthly bandwidth bill

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than have, you know, services
being taxed.

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And maybe services that I'll
never get to because, well, low
and behold,

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a small company or a bunch of
entrepreneurs who just want to
get something

28:17.000 --> 28:19.000
going can't actually afford to
do it anymore,

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which is not the spirit of the
internet at all.

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And not the spirit of all these
tools we've been building to
make it

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very cheap and easy.

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You know, these are people
trying to build walled gardens.

28:29.000 --> 28:31.000
Same goes for the email tax.

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Let's just call it a tax.

28:33.000 --> 28:34.000
I mean, but it's not a
government tax.

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It's like airport tax.

28:36.000 --> 28:37.000
In fact, airport.

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It's very like airport tax.

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You know what you go somewhere.

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And you know, you, the tickets,
let's just say,

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to take it costs 100 bucks and
then your hotel costs 100 bucks.

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At the end of the day, you wind
up paying 300 bucks for the
vacation.

28:49.000 --> 28:51.000
And they say, well, you know,
it's all these airport taxes.

28:51.000 --> 28:53.000
Well, airport tax is basically a
landing fee.

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It's what the airport, the
airport charges the carrier to
take you there.

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It's not, when they say tax, you
immediately think,

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well, that means it's a
government thing and it was
nothing we can do about it.

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Bullshit.

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It's just money that is the cost
of doing business for an
airline.

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And it's been, it's very much
like these ISPs and email.

29:13.000 --> 29:16.000
If you want your email
delivered, then you're going to
have to start paying a tax in

29:16.000 --> 29:17.000
future.

29:17.000 --> 29:18.000
Check this out.

29:18.000 --> 29:22.000
You know, it's not just, oh,
there's a whole bunch of
shenanigans going on

29:22.000 --> 29:25.000
with email between large email
service providers.

29:25.000 --> 29:26.000
Let's call on that.

29:26.000 --> 29:29.000
So if you have a hot mail
account, you're pretty much
screwed on all

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things because you're, you're
not getting a lot of mail.

29:31.000 --> 29:36.000
And of course, interestingly
enough, hot mail delivers the
most spam to you,

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than any other, any other email
service.

29:39.000 --> 29:42.000
Chris says, I don't have an
Apple dot Mac account.

29:42.000 --> 29:45.000
And I cannot email people at
Yahoo.

29:45.000 --> 29:49.000
My email never shows up in Yahoo
mailbox as when sending it from
my dot

29:49.000 --> 29:52.000
Mac account to large companies.

29:52.000 --> 29:53.000
And they can't figure this out.

29:53.000 --> 29:57.000
Come on, not to mention I pay
$99 for my email service.

29:57.000 --> 30:00.000
Well, that is, of course, an
outrage.

30:00.000 --> 30:04.000
And of course, it's all, I think
it's illegal to stuff that's
going on.

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This is illegal.

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So we have our email stuff set
in place.

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It'll be up and rolling next
week sometime.

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You know, we've got the, the way
we got the strong mail service.

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So you get like boxes, you know,
hardware and software and then
the service.

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And apparently now we should
have, I mean, even castblaster
dot com is getting

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crap now in registration emails.

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It's just, it's a freaking
outrage.

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So even though this is one I'd
like to fight, we also have a
business to run.

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So I guess all I can do is keep
talking about this horrible
precedent that's being set

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as companies now charging for
delivery of email.

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And you should just not stand
for it.

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You know, if you're paying for
email and you're paying for
sending email or receiving
email,

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you know, you should be
receiving email.

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And you should be sending email.

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It should be working.

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And they should put the owners
on your, on your ISP.

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You'll see.

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You'll see before too long,
you're going to notice that some
of your emails aren't showing
up.

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Excuse me.

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I get so excited about this
stuff.

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So we're just keeping our eye on
it.

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I think there's a project called
Goodmail.

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I think it's goodmail.

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I'll have to look into it.

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But, you know, the end of the
day, all these individual ISPs.

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So if you leave, you have your
email through Yahoo or Hotmail
or MSN or Gmail or Apple.

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However, you get your email,
Comcast, perhaps.

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They are the ones that are
supposed to deliver the email to
you.

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And they're basically not.

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Sure.

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They're saying it's for spam.

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But, you know, to some people,
spam is desired.

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And maybe that's something you
still want to handle on the
client end,

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actually when the email comes
down to you.

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You have to be in continuous
conversation about this stuff.

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Because without a doubt, I'd say
most of it is wrong.

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Ah.

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Yes.

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Of course.

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The network continues to grow.

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I'd love this, too.

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Unfortunately, it's not a happy
mood, doesn't it?

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Hello.

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Coming to you from the Pod Show
Network.

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It's the all-creator show with
your hosts.

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Everyone's favorite, that
Nurian, Dr. Lee, Quarbridge,

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and I'm his wife, Robin.

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When you see an alligator in the
wild in Florida, go the other
way.

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Yeah, this is not a bad thing.

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It's time for animal stuff where
you have fun and learn something
too.

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Animal sound of the week.

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Can you guess what it is?

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This is the breed of the week
section.

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That was it.

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Uh-oh, uh-oh, pick me, pick me,
pick me.

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Yeah.

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It would be really cool.

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It's animal trivia time.

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This is the part where you get
to see how much you really know.

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All critters were talking Robin.

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Everything animals from medical
conditions to just chat.

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We covered all.

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Have fun and learn something
too.

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Find us at all critters.pot
show.com.

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Hi, Adam. This is Doc.

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Hi, and this is Robin.

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And we just wanted to say thank
you for inviting us to join the
Pod Show Network.

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We're extremely excited to be a
part of the Quit Your Day Job
Group.

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We feel honored that you chose
us,

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and we just wanted you to know
that we appreciate it.

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We're looking forward to our
long journey together.

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Pod Show Rocks.

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It was still in the pinch me
stage that we're a part of it.

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We also wanted to say that we
love the daily source code,

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and we're totally addicted to
it.

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Keep up the great work.

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Thanks again for having all
critters on the Pod Show
Network.

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And thanks for playing our
promo.

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Hey, I wonder if Adam is trying
to guess what animal sound that
was.

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Should we tell him?

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Nah, let's keep everyone
guessing.

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Then we'll have to listen to the
show.

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Animal sounds are so cool.

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To go line that with the animal
trivia,

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a medical conditions we cover.

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We just wanted everyone to have
fun and learn something too.

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How critters experience it at
all critters.podshow.com?

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I think it was a go for.

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I'm pretty sure of it.

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Hey, some interesting stuff
going on in France.

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France is considering a law that
gives consumers the right

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to break digital rights
management.

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Better known as DRM.

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Just going to pull up the story
here.

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A couple people emailed this to
me.

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I just want to tell you what the
deal is.

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This is pop up from silicon.com.

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And here we go.

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A law currently making its way
through French Parliament

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could see Apple's fair play DRM
opened up.

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Now, this is the way that Apple
protects all the songs

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that you purchase from iTunes
and use on your iPod.

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Change it to the French Dwatt
Delta copyright law.

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Currently being debated in
Parliament

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are expected to be voted on this
week.

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Among the changes, the
controversial legislation

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will bring in will be measures
to effectively dismantle all
types

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of digital rights management,
including the technology

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that prevent content from
Apple's music stores being
played

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on Microsoft devices and vice
versa.

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Check this out.

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The law will enshrine the right
to interoperability

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between content and devices.

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Which, of course, is really a
great idea.

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Effectively allowing consumers
to break

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or otherwise circumvent DRM and
play music

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on the MP3 player of their
choice.

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This is really exciting stuff.

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In a recent parliamentary
debate, Dominic Rishard

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a diputee from the UNP coalition
described the law

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as instituting interoperability

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that will stop content being the
hostage of technology

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and authorized creativity using
free as in speech software.

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The law will also overhaul the
country's legal system

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with regard to music piracy
giving those convicted

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of downloading-pired music a
fixed 38-year-old fine

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and those convicted of illegally
making music available

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for download a 150-year-old
fine,

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which I think is probably much
more in line

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with the value of what is being
stolen

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if someone steals music
basically.

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So I think what's happening here
is what they're saying

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is you would be allowed to
reencode

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something you bought off of
iTunes for your iPod

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into another open format if it's
for personal use.

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And of course this is very
exciting.

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Who knows, what a thunket man
coming from the French.

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I think this is great.

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So let's keep our eye on that
one

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because it's definitely
definitely something cool

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going on in France when it comes
to licensing

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and digital rights management.

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And if you can break it there,

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well, I guess you can break it
to anywhere, can't you?

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Hey, I'm as Jay Mac from
producer and webmaster slash

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whatever of the hoody.com show

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calling you from warm Detroit.

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I wanted to call and say thank
you very, very much

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for your continued support of
the hoody.com show

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and our movement, everything we
do

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and I really, really appreciate
that.

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And it's always good to hear
that you're actually

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listening to the show.

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I thank you for that.

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So I'm also leaving this voice
message

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to ask you about pardon me in
driving and kind of out there.

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I wanted to ask you about
licensing with ASK at BMI.

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And I said you an email, but I
don't expect to reply.

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So I'm hoping this voice message
will be even better.

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So here's my question.

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We interview obviously some good
artists,

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some big artists in the industry
of hip-hop.

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And it's getting better.

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I mean, like coming up we have,
you know,

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boss derirons was coming up in
April and, you know,

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we're going to be interviewing
TI and people like that.

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Some pretty big names, so I
mean,

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but the problem with it is is
that a lot of these artists,

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they don't really want to do the
interview unless

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you're going to be playing their
music.

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That's the whole reason they're
doing the interview

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is for publicity.

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So here's, you know, obviously
here's my issue.

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We want to be able to play some
of their music

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and we don't want to necessarily
play the entire track.

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I mean, we're cool with just
playing

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their instrumental behind the
interview

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and then maybe playing a 10 or
15 or 20 second clip

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of their track after or during
the interview as well,

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like of one of their singles or
biggest single or something like
that.

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So, I mean, my question is, you
know,

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do you necessarily need a ASK at
BMI license just to do that?

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I mean, because it doesn't seem
necessary

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if you're not playing the whole
song.

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If the whole song can't be
taken,

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then why should you get to pay a
licensing fee?

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We're helping them promote their
music.

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You know, I mean, it's a trade,
you know,

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it's a hit-for-tat type of
thing.

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So, I'm really curious to hear
if there's a way around that.

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It's really frustrating.

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I mean, I actually talked to
somebody over at ASKAP

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and the second I said podcast or
internet,

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they started getting skittish.

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They started weirding out and
they don't want to talk about it

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and you need licensing.

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You got a license.

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You got a white license.

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Internet license or whatever the
fuck they call it.

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You got to have internet
license.

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You got to have it.

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You got to have it.

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You know, I read about it.

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It's like $300 a year.

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And then there's like a
per-download fee,

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which is bullshit to me.

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So, there's got to be a way.

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I will provide and read and
you'll know the way

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is to get the actual person who
holds the master's

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like the label or the artist to
sign off.

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I'm letting us play their track.

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You know, which is like, come
on.

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I mean, in the mainstream
industry, there's no record
label

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that's going to sign, you know,

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some sort of contract like that.

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There's no way.

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You know, they're going to want
to get the ASKAP

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BMI fees.

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You know, if there's any to be
had.

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So, I'm hoping if there's
anybody out there

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or if you know the answer to
this,

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I'd really appreciate it.

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And I'm hoping it works in our
favor

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because we really, really,
really don't want to get

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a license through ASKAP to do
this shit.

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We'd really like to handle this
without paying that money.

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I mean, it's, we figured it's a
fair trade

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if we're promoting the artist.

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We're getting, you know, we get
to play a clip of their song

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and play their voice on the
show.

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I mean, it's to trade off.

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I don't know.

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Okay. So, he continues on a
little bit

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and leaves his cell phone
numbers.

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So, I won't play that.

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You know, this is a question
that I get asked a lot.

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And I'm not a lawyer, of course,

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but the official answer is yes.

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I mean, you need to have a
license

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to be able to use any type of
license music

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through the RIA or otherwise

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or if it's licensed through
ASKAP BMI.

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You have to have a license for
the performance,

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which means you're basically
using that

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as a part of your podcast.

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And then just to cover all the
bases

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because record companies, I
think the lawyers

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are the record companies pretty
much

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feel that, you know, this is a
mechanical distribution

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because you're actually
downloading something

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and it's going on to a disc of
some sort

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so that the royalty has to be
paid for that as well.

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So, you're right.

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And the fees just don't make
sense

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because, you know, I was even
looking at the UK,

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MCPS, NPCS, PRS, whatever the
combined license

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we talked about the other day.

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And even though the licensing is
now starting

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to get worked out, you know,

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and of course, that's to pay 12%
of my gross profit.

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Yeah, do I got a blow job with
that?

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You know, you start looking at
it

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and then all those strictions

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and the money it's going to cost
you to think,

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oh, why won't I do it?

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Why won't I even promote that
industry?

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Now, of course, for hood hype,

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you know, it is great to talk to
people

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like Buster Rimes and, you know,

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and they're always working with
lots of independent talent.

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And I think in reality,

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if you interview them and you
use 10,

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15 seconds of a track, you know,
behind him,

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I don't think anyone's going to
sue you,

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but they could, you know,

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so you're definitely taking a
risk

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and again, I will say to the
record industry again.

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This is the stupidest way

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to try and license your music.

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It's not going to get you any
value

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because very few podcasts are
kind of for it

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and the ones that can,

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I think most of them that can.

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I mean, I'd much rather promote

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Michael Butler, Matthew Ebel,

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a lower clap or brother love.

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You know, these are, these are
people

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who do appreciate it,

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and are trying to charge me

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for the privilege of playing
their music.

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You know, it's true that.

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What you should do is have a
special button in iTunes

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or wherever you want to make
your music available

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for download.

42:09.000 --> 42:12.000
And if someone is going to
download it

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for use on a podcast,

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charge them five bucks.

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You know, it's a one shot deal.

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There's plenty of songs.

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I would just love to play.

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And I bet you I would play a
five dollar song

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every single day.

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So what would that be?

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150 bucks.

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You're talking almost,

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probably around $2,000 a year,

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you would make for my show.

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You know,

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let's talk about the hit test,

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which I would love to bring
back.

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I'll pay for three.

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So I'll pay 15 bucks for a hit
test

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to be able to put a hit test
together.

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You're not, of course, I will.

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That's the way to do it.

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I'm not going to give you 12% of
the gross revenue

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of my show for that privilege

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for playing your back catalog.

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So, and by the way, musicians,

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you're the ones that should be
revolting

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against this stupid behavior

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of your record companies,

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stupid, it's just stupid.

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Okay, a couple more pots

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of music network things,

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just as I said,

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to catch up on where we are

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and some of the conversations

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because by probably by this time
next week,

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we'll have our email
registrations working fully

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with the strong mail.

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So that means we'll be able to
open up

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full sales across the network.

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Had some great conversations
about this last night,

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I was sitting with Chris
Rockwell,

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Sue, Kevin, Matt Oliver, Richard
Brueher,

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and we were really just shooting
the shit

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about all kinds of stuff and
feeling

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just feeling the love.

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And the fact that we're going to
be integrating

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a lot of the Podsate Music
Network

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into the whole, you know, Pod
Show Plus

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or Pod Show PDN.

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So what all kind of have a very
consistent look

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and feel everything all flow
into each other

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and, of course, Andrew Grumman
is working on

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API so that any other service

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will be able to integrate the
Podsate Music Network

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into their service as well.

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But I believe that,

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well, we were talking about

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actually opening up

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both the podcasting and
listening side

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of Pod Show, the network,

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sometime next week.

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And I think we're ready.

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Now, of course, it'll be super
beta

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because shit's just going to
break

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and shit does happen.

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But I also think we'll be able
to,

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show real fast growth every
single, you know,

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day almost after that adding new
features

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because we've just gotten to the
point

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where we're so far ahead with
all the features

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and things we want in there

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that if you look back to what
our goals

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were for release,

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I think we're there.

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I really do.

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And it's funny, you know,

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Ron and I were kind of like,

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looking at the development team
looking

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for a signal from them to say,

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okay, we're ready to release

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and I think they were waiting

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from a signal for us.

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And somehow I felt that

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and that's what, that's what
three

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vodka martinis will do for you.

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Really brings you closer down to
reality

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as what has to be done.

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So maybe Wednesday, maybe
Wednesday.

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And this means that all kinds of
shit

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is going to be funky.

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It's going to be broken all over
the map.

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But this is kind of how it
works.

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You know, this is the way

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development is done these days.

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You get something out there

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and just keep improving it.

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We'll keep the conversation
going.

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We'll do a lot of it through

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the daily source code and other
pod show

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podcasts to get feedback.

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Already I've gotten several
emails

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and people saying, hey,

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what's up with the funky URLs?

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Turn it back to the original way
you used to do it.

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No, I can't do that right now.

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We're working on all of these
aspects.

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Everything is, you know,

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if we're trying to get it all

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come together simultaneously.

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We've got a huge promotion

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starting up a network wide

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with the single sponsor

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that'll also and every single
show

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that wants to is going to be
involved in it.

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There's just a lot of goodness
on the way.

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And as I said, a whole bunch of
great improvements

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for the pod sake music network.

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Adam, it's Russell from the Dark
Matters podcast here.

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Also from Brisbane Australia.

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So that's at least two of us
here.

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So I think you're also a trip

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when you come down under.

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All right, mate.

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You know, I see you like my
recommendation

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of Bob Ferry for DSC339

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and we must have similar tastes
in music

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because I put out episode three

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of Dark Matters yesterday

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and I want to be held when I
listen to

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DSC this morning.

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You had the same song

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Do the heavy mouth in heaven

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on episode three

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for eight of the Charlie.

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You know, and that is really
coincidence.

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I mean, I listen to, as you
know,

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tons of podcasts and that's
where I got

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a lot of inspiration,

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which of course is the whole
point of the unlabel.

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You know, there is no central
spot.

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So in this case,

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I didn't hear your show

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and I wasn't influenced by it,

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but I would probably

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was influenced by some other
show.

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And that's how it works.

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You know, I'm continuously
amazed

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at how many plays

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some songs are getting on the
PMN.

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I mean, it's in the thousands.

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It's just, it's fantastic.

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You know, I thought I'd just
ring up

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and let you know,

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I finally got around to trying
out

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the click and buy purchase of

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Putsay for Peace.

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So I've been in Australian

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credit card holder.

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I went through the click and buy
process

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and because of the first time

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when I somehow missed putting

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Australia in the country,

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which really mucked me up,

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I went back and tried again

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and when I got the details
right,

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everything went through sweet.

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So I never have

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my own purchased copy of

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Putsay for Peace

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and Australian people

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can use it successfully

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apparently.

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I don't know if they've improved

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since the last listeners tried.

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That seems to be up and going
there.

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Just though you might like to
know

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and if any of you listeners

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would like to visit my podcast,

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you can find it at

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Astronomy.podcastfilmet.com

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and until next time,

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thanks guys.

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What kind of skies?

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Dark skies.

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That didn't say dark skies.

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Yep.

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So just want to let you know

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that it is working in Australia.

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But again,

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I think it does depend on

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the type of credit card or
something

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that have been some

47:48.000 --> 47:50.000
funky results for some folks
around the world.

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Oh, you know,

47:51.000 --> 47:52.000
I wasn't that hammer to remember

47:52.000 --> 47:53.000
last night.

47:53.000 --> 47:54.000
Chris Rockwell was doing

47:54.000 --> 47:55.000
some of the math with me.

47:55.000 --> 47:56.000
And he says,

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So what if podshow

47:58.000 --> 47:59.000
would only make about

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four or five cents per song

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that was sold through the podset

48:03.000 --> 48:04.000
music network?

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He says,

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that doesn't seem like

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it's really worth it

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and maybe we shouldn't even take

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that money at all.

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Of course,

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which I said is,

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oh great.

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So how about if we,

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if every song sold,

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we deduct four cents

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from your salary?

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And you know what?

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He said,

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yeah, no problem.

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I'll do it immediately.

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And so that caught my attention

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because I was just being

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facetious.

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But if you do the math

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and you think about

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if we were to sell

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a million songs in a year,

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which I think would be quite

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a lot.

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That would be what?

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$40,000.

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Because there's also taxes

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that go into the purchase price

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and we want podcasters

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to be able to.

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They don't have to.

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They can donate it back to the
band

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or wherever they want

48:46.000 --> 48:47.000
to be able to take

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an affiliate fee.

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And the more,

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the more I think about it,

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the more I think that he may be
right.

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You know,

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maybe just having people

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sign up to the network

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is enough value

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for podshow.

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It's definitely something

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I'm going to discuss today

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at the office.

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And I do want to leave all

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options open.

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But you know, as we said,

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certainly during the whole

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date of period,

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which will be months,

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we're not taking a dime

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from any of this.

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We're just going to have

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the click and buy

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transaction fee,

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which is nine cents.

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And we do want to put the

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the affiliate,

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the affiliate stuff

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into place,

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which I think is already

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in there.

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And I guess the songs

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that you can now purchase

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as of today are American

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heartbreaking, including the new
one

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that I played for you today.

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Podsafe for Peace

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and some Matthew Eble,

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so I'm Matthew Eble has been
selling

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quite crazy.

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I'm not at liberty to tell you,

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but he's sold,

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I really a significant amount

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of songs.

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It's definitely beer money,

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definitely beer money,

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very beer and some gas money.

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So extremely pleased to see

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that happening.

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A couple more things about

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PMN here.

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Hi, Adam.

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This is Tom from the

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fog view podcast.

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I've been doing a few podcasts
now

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and has some feedback

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for the Podsafe music network.

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The first couple items here

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were mentioned by listeners,

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a few shows back,

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but I think it bears repeating.

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The first one is to bring back

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the music ratings.

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I think that was a very useful

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feature.

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And I know it got replaced

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when you added the pay button,

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but it would be nice

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to be able to bring that back.

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You know, that's interesting

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that you say that.

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It didn't really get replaced

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by the buy button.

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It did on the page,

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but there was so much feedback,

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particularly from artists

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who said they did not want

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the ratings feature there.

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And I have to agree with you

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that from a podcaster
perspective

50:32.000 --> 50:33.000
and perhaps from a listener
perspective,

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I thought it was kind of handy

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because, you know,

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if I'm surfing through the

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PMN,

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it's at music.podshow.com,

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by the way.

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You know,

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and I'd find a song

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that maybe I'd like the sound

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of the voice or whatever.

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I'll click on the artist link

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or I'll go to the artist page

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and there would be,

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you know,

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definitely some feedback.

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And it either has all three
stars,

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which I think,

50:54.000 --> 50:55.000
maybe that's part of the problem
is

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you start off

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and you're always right in the
middle of

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three stars.

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And some of them would actually

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have a higher rating

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and those would be the songs

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that listen to right up front.

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So maybe we take that out

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or maybe it's configurable

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or I don't know.

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But it's definitely something

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to think about.

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I'm not completely an agreement

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that they're gone in their
entirety.

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So I think that,

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yeah,

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maybe the artist hated it

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because they don't like to be
rated,

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which is another thing

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to take into consideration.

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But from a podcaster
perspective,

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finding the song that you want

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and having some form of feedback

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is important.

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Now,

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when we unleash the podshow

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and the podshow PDN,

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you're going to see that we do
have

51:34.000 --> 51:36.000
some a lot of interactive pieces

51:36.000 --> 51:38.000
that we've put into place.

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So people can let their

51:40.000 --> 51:42.000
feelings and comments be known

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about podcasts,

51:43.000 --> 51:45.000
but also about other listeners.

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So you're going to see

51:46.000 --> 51:48.000
some integration of that

51:48.000 --> 51:50.000
into songs and artists.

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So it may not be the star's
rating system,

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but we are bringing something
back

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that I think you'll like

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and we'll satisfy your needs.

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Second is

51:59.000 --> 52:01.000
with more and more record
companies

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uploading music.

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They're putting their name

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into the artist's field,

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and then they're forcing the
song

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artist and title into the title
field.

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In some cases,

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they're only putting the song
title

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into the title field,

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which makes it very confusing.

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Yeah, yeah,

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you're right about that.

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Another thing that will be
solved.

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So labels,

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and of course,

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the concept of what is a label

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in the unlabel world,

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will be able to have a
collection of

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favorite artists.

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So actually,

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I could be a label.

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Now that when we integrate

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all these pieces together,

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and I could say here are the

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ten artists that are on my
label.

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Of course,

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don't really have a label,

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but they are artists

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that I'll play on my podcast.

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They are artists

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that I want you to as a listener

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to my show to check out.

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And I'll also be helping

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to sell some of that music

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and as a podcaster,

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or as a listener

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who has a collection of artists

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and songs that you'll kind of

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call your label,

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you'll be able to participate

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in the proceeds of that.

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So that will also be solved,

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but not in the way you're seeing
it today,

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but anyone will be able to be a
label,

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which also means, of course,

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actual labels will have the same
functionality.

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As if it can create another
place

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to put the record companies name
done,

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and then use the artist

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and title for what it's
intended.

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The third one has to do with
some

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strange song names, song titles.

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I see titles like Delete the
song,

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I remove this file.

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And I think what's happening

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is that artists are trying to
remove

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something from the network,

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not able to do it,

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and then they end up renaming it

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and hopes that somebody will go
through

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and see that and remove it.

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So looks like that means it will
be cleaned up.

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Yeah, you're right.

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And that's because it's very
easy to upload a song,

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but not very easy to remove it,

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which is kind of stupid on our
part.

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So that, of course, will all be
fixed.

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You'll be able to totally manage
that.

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And I'm just going to skip over
the last bit,

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and the next comment actually,

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because the next logical piece
is the ID3 tags,

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and you know that the entire pod
show,

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HQ, listens to the show,

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so they're already on it.

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When you upload a song,

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you will actually be forced to
fill out

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a number of pieces of
information of metadata,

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and those will be written into
the ID3 tags,

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if they're not already there,

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of each song uploaded,

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so we'll have great ID3 tag
information.

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We'll have a much richer
database of information.

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Oh, we just hired this new guy,

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he's a search specialist.

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God, man, it's nice to have a
search specialist

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in the house.

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So, sod just hit the ground,

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running, I think, this week,

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and we're going to have some
great search opportunities,

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both for pod state music,

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as well as for podcasts,

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really integrating the context

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and relevance of show notes.

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And obviously, also search on
different users.

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So, that's all in the works.

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Now, let's see a couple more
things

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I just wanted to catch up on.

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Thank you to everyone who sent
in

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the information that the cube
product

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that was talking about

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is part of the email tax
solution,

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was the cobalt cube,

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and later they came out with the
RAC, RAC cube.

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And of course, that was bought
by son,

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and I think it pretty much died

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a very short, effective death,

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because it was just way too cool

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and cutting into sons,

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core business for some reason.

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So, thanks for that.

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Phil Walker, just a funny one
here.

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He says, I'm listening to Chuck
350,

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and you're throwing the Roger
Smalls MP3

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into the soundtrack.

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I leap up to answer my mobile
phone

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because it's got the Roger
Smalls ringtone on it,

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and then I realize it's the
Charlie Pump

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and through the office speakers.

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So, I sit down and the bloody
mobile

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fires up with Rogers again.

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Is it the phone or is it Adam?

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Is it Roger?

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That's what you get in there

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and for using Roger Smalls is a
ringtone.

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All right, final song for the
day,

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and then I'm going to take a
shower,

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get dressed and get ready to go
to the shop.

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I'm actually going to bring this
up

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because this is a new addition,
new entry,

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it was put in,

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how can I can't find pods,

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if music network here is so
long.

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You know what? I'll play the
song

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and then I'll find the
information.

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It's a Dutch band from the
northern part

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of the Netherlands from
Croningen.

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They call themselves Tunebone.

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And this is a real,

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very popular type of music in
the Netherlands.

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You hear a lot of it more on the
eastern side

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out towards Germany in what we
call the back corner

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or the Achterhook,

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with dance like normal

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and you'll think it to food or
beetles.

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And just whenever I hear a tune
like this,

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it's such a combination of
almost like Scandinavian
influences,

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really heavy accents that only
belong

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to the north or the eastern
parts of the Netherlands,

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and just plain whole goddamn
good rock and roll.

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I'll be the neck.

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This should wake you up.

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Certainly doing it for me.

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I'll be the neck.

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I'll be the neck.

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I'll be the neck.

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I'll be the neck.

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I'll be the neck.

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I'll be the neck.

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Once you don't live there
anymore, I really do like the
songs that these guys do.

01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:33.900
And as I said, there's a couple
of bands in Holland that do it.

01:00:33.900 --> 01:00:38.400
They never get mainstream radio
or rarely get mainstream radio
aeroplane.

01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:42.400
And if it is, maybe it's one
song a year or something that'll
make it into the charge.

01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.400
So happy to share that one with
you.

01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:46.400
Okay, it is light outside now.

01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:48.400
I don't think it's going to be a
very nice day.

01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:51.400
I see no sun coming up over the
bay.

01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:55.400
I just see clouds and concrete.

01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:58.400
So nice show, damn, over an
hour.

01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.400
All right, we'll see what
happens tomorrow.

01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:04.400
You know, Cali Lewis is going to
be up here in San Francisco.

01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:06.400
We might be doing some video
stuff together.

01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:08.400
There's always people stopping
by.

01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:11.400
There's still a chance that we
might be going to South by
Southwest.

01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:13.400
I mean, I don't know what's
happening.

01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:14.400
I'll let you know tomorrow.

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