WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.000 Delta's here at Charley, 3-5-7. 00:05.000 --> 00:10.000 With $16 million worth of airplane strapped to my ass. 00:10.000 --> 00:13.000 In the next generation radio content in my ears. 00:13.000 --> 00:18.000 I like to think I'm flying into the future. 00:18.000 --> 00:21.000 I'm testing kids, Adam Curry. 00:21.000 --> 00:26.000 From the Curry condo in northern California, no sun but it is San Francisco. 00:26.000 --> 00:29.000 Good morning everybody, it's Tuesday. 00:29.000 --> 00:31.000 Get your country head on. 00:31.000 --> 00:36.000 No sign of weather, not a cloud in the sky. 00:36.000 --> 00:54.000 [ Music ] 00:54.000 --> 00:56.000 I'll never forget it. 00:56.000 --> 00:58.000 I got all caught up in it. 00:58.000 --> 01:01.000 She was the object of my affection, then. 01:01.000 --> 01:03.000 When changed direction. 01:03.000 --> 01:06.000 Lock down your shutters and your doors, 01:06.000 --> 01:08.000 but I'll love you for sure. 01:08.000 --> 01:13.000 I'll never see when she rains down on you. 01:13.000 --> 03:18.000 [ Music ] 03:18.000 --> 03:22.000 Once you come, you'll never be the same, so you better stay away from Hurricane Jane. 03:22.000 --> 03:27.000 Once you come, you'll never be the same, so you better stay away from Hurricane Jane. 03:27.000 --> 03:31.000 Colin Ray, Hurricane Jane, kicking off this Tuesday's edition of the Charlie Good Morning, 03:31.000 --> 03:33.000 everybody from San Francisco, California. 03:33.000 --> 03:35.000 It is another one of those days. 03:35.000 --> 03:37.000 Overcast has been raining yesterday. 03:37.000 --> 03:38.000 It was just horrible. 03:38.000 --> 03:39.000 It rained. 03:39.000 --> 03:40.000 It rained. 03:40.000 --> 03:41.000 It rained. 03:41.000 --> 03:42.000 It's not supposed to do that in Northern California. 03:42.000 --> 03:43.000 You know? 03:43.000 --> 03:45.000 Yeah, tough getting out of bed this morning. 03:45.000 --> 03:47.000 I got to tell you. 03:47.000 --> 03:50.000 You just can't watch John Stewart with the Daily Show and get up at 6 a.m. 03:50.000 --> 03:52.000 It just doesn't work that way. 03:52.000 --> 03:54.000 It's too much. 03:54.000 --> 03:56.000 Hey, some stuff to talk about today. 03:56.000 --> 04:00.000 Actually, pretty light on the audio feedback and stuff like that, 04:00.000 --> 04:03.000 but we're going to roll out a Trinity segment because it's about time for that. 04:03.000 --> 04:06.000 Congratulations to a serious satellite radio. 04:06.000 --> 04:07.000 You may be listening to the show right now. 04:07.000 --> 04:10.000 A channel was a serious star as 102. 04:10.000 --> 04:13.000 Over 4 million subscribers now. 04:13.000 --> 04:14.000 Wow. 04:14.000 --> 04:15.000 That one really fast. 04:15.000 --> 04:16.000 It was 3 million. 04:16.000 --> 04:19.000 They reached just before Christmas. 04:19.000 --> 04:23.000 I think we're just before the New Year's and already now 1 million extra. 04:23.000 --> 04:25.000 So kicking some ass. 04:25.000 --> 04:27.000 That's very cool. 04:27.000 --> 04:29.000 More mainstream. 04:29.000 --> 04:31.000 Are you here that? 04:31.000 --> 04:34.000 I am the morning podcaster. 04:34.000 --> 04:38.000 Kevin Flanagan sent an email and said, 04:38.000 --> 04:43.000 The Air America has moved their podcasts to a pay for fee service. 04:43.000 --> 04:49.000 I would pay, but think that for topical time sensitive material, the cost is too high. 04:49.000 --> 04:50.000 That's too bad. 04:50.000 --> 04:54.000 You know, Air America was, I don't know if they were even official podcasts. 04:54.000 --> 04:55.000 It was all over the map. 04:55.000 --> 05:00.000 I must have at least four or five different podcasts feeds that I'm subscribed to. 05:00.000 --> 05:02.000 I'll none of them work anymore. 05:02.000 --> 05:06.000 I think I've deleted three or four others. 05:06.000 --> 05:09.000 But I think they have some major financial issues. 05:09.000 --> 05:11.000 Never really got Air America off the ground. 05:11.000 --> 05:12.000 So to speak. 05:12.000 --> 05:15.000 And I really good day yesterday despite all the crappy weather. 05:15.000 --> 05:20.000 Cali and Neil were up at the pod show HQ all day long. 05:20.000 --> 05:25.000 Cali, of course, are fearless leader from the geek intelligence agency. 05:25.000 --> 05:29.000 And, you know, it's funny because, you know, I have the new camera, the Sanio C5, 05:29.000 --> 05:31.000 which I picked up at the Apple Store. 05:31.000 --> 05:35.000 Yesterday was kind of my first day experimenting with it and learning how it worked. 05:35.000 --> 05:37.000 And it's limitations. 05:37.000 --> 05:43.000 One thing I noticed right off the bat, which I kind of knew when I read the specs before I even bought it, 05:43.000 --> 05:45.000 is that it doesn't have an external audio in. 05:45.000 --> 05:51.000 So you're kind of left to the device itself with it's built in stereo microphone. 05:51.000 --> 05:57.000 And because it's so small when you use the zoom or even when it's focusing, 05:57.000 --> 06:01.000 and it will invariably auto focus the minute you turn it on. 06:01.000 --> 06:05.000 You can hear the motor worrying on the audio tracks. 06:05.000 --> 06:06.000 That kind of sucks. 06:06.000 --> 06:11.000 And of course, you have audio really is so important when it comes to video. 06:11.000 --> 06:13.000 And so I did this whole thing. 06:13.000 --> 06:16.000 I recorded different bits of clips and last night I came home, 06:16.000 --> 06:18.000 dumped everything into what I used. 06:18.000 --> 06:20.000 I used the eye movie. 06:20.000 --> 06:25.000 And I remember, man, it takes a lot of work to get video stuff going. 06:25.000 --> 06:29.000 It's a lot of waiting around for stuff to import and stuff to render. 06:29.000 --> 06:36.000 And so I have, like, a four minute clip of a day in the life at Pod Show HQ, 06:36.000 --> 06:38.000 which I don't know if I want to release it yet. 06:38.000 --> 06:42.000 I think I want to look at it again and go, because it's really, 06:42.000 --> 06:44.000 I don't know, I don't know if it'll be interesting. 06:44.000 --> 06:45.000 It was interesting to me. 06:45.000 --> 06:47.000 I don't know if you guys would like it or not. 06:47.000 --> 06:48.000 Because of course, I'm not in it. 06:48.000 --> 06:50.000 Most of it is other people. 06:50.000 --> 06:53.000 And the other people that I was seeing throughout the day. 06:53.000 --> 06:55.000 So it's a lot of Ron Bloom. 06:56.000 --> 06:58.000 There's other Pod Show folks in there. 06:58.000 --> 07:02.000 Of course, nice, significant pieces of Cali. 07:02.000 --> 07:04.000 And a baby. 07:04.000 --> 07:05.000 You know, it was a go figure. 07:05.000 --> 07:08.000 So I'm going to review it with a couple of people today. 07:08.000 --> 07:11.000 I see if they think it's worthy of putting it up there. 07:11.000 --> 07:12.000 I was just pretty interesting. 07:12.000 --> 07:16.000 Common I got from Michael Bauer, who was listening to, 07:16.000 --> 07:18.000 see, DSC 340. 07:18.000 --> 07:19.000 I'll just read this for you. 07:19.000 --> 07:22.000 I thought it was interesting that you played the song about people talking loud 07:22.000 --> 07:23.000 on their cell phones. 07:23.000 --> 07:27.000 Recently heard an interview on one of the MPR shows about this very subject. 07:27.000 --> 07:30.000 Turns out, the reason this happens is because cell phones, 07:30.000 --> 07:34.000 unlike landline phones, do not play feedback to the user. 07:34.000 --> 07:37.000 The fact that you can't hear yourself makes you talk louder. 07:37.000 --> 07:40.000 And this, of course, sounds completely logical. 07:40.000 --> 07:46.000 And I do recall, I think the old analog cell phones actually did have that kind of loop 07:46.000 --> 07:49.000 where you could hear a little bit in your ear. 07:50.000 --> 07:56.000 So the email goes on, you may think, like I did when first hearing this, 07:56.000 --> 07:58.000 well, why not loop it back? 07:58.000 --> 08:00.000 Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. 08:00.000 --> 08:03.000 Well, apparently it's not that easy landline phones do this through the phone company. 08:03.000 --> 08:05.000 Your voice actually hits the phone company's exchange 08:05.000 --> 08:08.000 and it's bounce back as feedback since it's over copper wires. 08:08.000 --> 08:11.000 This happens really fast so the delay is very small. 08:11.000 --> 08:13.000 Cells transmit wirelessly to much slower rates. 08:13.000 --> 08:15.000 Of course, this would cause it delay. 08:15.000 --> 08:18.000 You probably noticed this when in a heated conversation, 08:18.000 --> 08:21.000 we have heated conversations never. 08:21.000 --> 08:27.000 Anyway, the interview suggests that the problem will most likely be fixed by cell phone manufacturers. 08:27.000 --> 08:30.000 They should place circuitry in the phones that repeat what the user says. 08:30.000 --> 08:32.000 This causes the users to speak softly. 08:32.000 --> 08:33.000 That's very interesting. 08:33.000 --> 08:36.000 I have no idea what, it's probably just laziness that they didn't do that 08:36.000 --> 08:41.000 or probably a power issue as well because it all takes power to do that. 08:41.000 --> 08:46.000 But, gee, wouldn't it be nice if all cell phone conversations automatically just were dim down 08:46.000 --> 08:51.000 30% or 40% wouldn't that be nice for the overall world volume population? 08:51.000 --> 08:54.000 I think that's a pretty good idea. 08:54.000 --> 08:56.000 It doesn't seem like a hard thing to do these days. 08:56.000 --> 09:03.000 Now, of course, with the battery life that they can get out of these miniature batteries. 09:03.000 --> 09:07.000 I thought just popped through my head, but she can't remember it's too early. 09:07.000 --> 09:09.000 Hi, I'm Mr. Bobeski here. 09:09.000 --> 09:11.000 I've just been thinking about your recent Charlie, 09:11.000 --> 09:16.000 talk about your suspected power failure in your apartment in San Francisco. 09:16.000 --> 09:20.000 The reason I'm thinking about it is, I'm just sat here in total darkness 09:20.000 --> 09:25.000 because we've just had a power failure here in Newbury, in Barsher, in England. 09:25.000 --> 09:27.000 It's 9 o'clock on a Saturday night. 09:27.000 --> 09:29.000 Now, that's a really rare thing to happen. 09:29.000 --> 09:31.000 So, okay, big deal. 09:31.000 --> 09:35.000 Thing is, I've just been watching the War of the Worlds on DVD. 09:35.000 --> 09:38.000 Literally half an hour ago. 09:38.000 --> 09:44.000 And of course, that's all about power failures and lightning strikes and other things due to alien attack. 09:44.000 --> 09:51.000 What's made it even weirder, really surreal, is somebody's just had a firework party in the neighborhood. 09:51.000 --> 09:55.000 And there's all sorts of, you know, fireworks, bangers and explosions going on. 09:55.000 --> 10:01.000 So, I'm thinking it's just a local power failure, but it could be the start of something else. 10:01.000 --> 10:03.000 Getting nervous here. 10:03.000 --> 10:06.000 And we never heard from them again. 10:07.000 --> 10:10.000 Yeah, it's, you know, it's really funky when that happens. 10:10.000 --> 10:12.000 You know, when the power goes out. 10:12.000 --> 10:14.000 And in the States, it gets a little bit more used to it. 10:14.000 --> 10:17.000 But in Europe, it never, and rarely ever happens. 10:17.000 --> 10:20.000 And for it to happen, I don't know how the UK is. 10:20.000 --> 10:24.000 We haven't had a power failure yet that I know, at least that one that wasn't, you know, 10:24.000 --> 10:32.000 caused by excessive use of hair drying equipment and compressor limiter simultaneously. 10:33.000 --> 10:37.000 And maybe it does go out a lot more often in the UK than I know. 10:37.000 --> 10:40.000 Now, I'm telling you, I am so fuzzy today. 10:40.000 --> 10:42.000 There's just, oh yeah, now I know. 10:42.000 --> 10:47.000 Yeah, I was going back to actually to the phone call comment. 10:47.000 --> 10:52.000 Yesterday I actually had, not a heated discussion. 10:52.000 --> 10:55.000 Well, maybe it was a little an emotional discussion. 10:55.000 --> 10:58.000 I called Patricia from the office on IChat. 10:58.000 --> 11:02.000 I had my ear buds in and we love doing this. 11:02.000 --> 11:03.000 I've told you about this. 11:03.000 --> 11:06.000 She gets on her end on the, on the IChat. 11:06.000 --> 11:09.000 And it's, it's really, it's a very, it's a very personal thing. 11:09.000 --> 11:11.000 You know, you can really communicate well. 11:11.000 --> 11:13.000 You can see nuances and we can smile at each other. 11:13.000 --> 11:17.000 And it really does feel quite natural, actually, at this point. 11:17.000 --> 11:21.000 But there were some teenager stuff that was going on back at the cottage. 11:21.000 --> 11:25.000 And, and that's when it all breaks down, man. 11:25.000 --> 11:29.000 And you can't talk to a, you can't talk sense into a teenager through IChat. 11:29.000 --> 11:30.000 That just doesn't work. 11:30.000 --> 11:31.000 It doesn't work through phone calls. 11:31.000 --> 11:33.000 You really got to be there in the room. 11:33.000 --> 11:37.000 So I was feeling a little bit frustrated about not being home. 11:37.000 --> 11:39.000 And being able to help out with it. 11:39.000 --> 11:40.000 It's not a big deal. 11:40.000 --> 11:41.000 But, you know, it's a teenager thing. 11:41.000 --> 11:44.000 You know, teenagers can get also and then get stupid. 11:44.000 --> 11:47.000 It's talk to say, stupid stuff. 11:47.000 --> 11:50.000 Oh, well, what do we have left? 11:50.000 --> 11:54.000 Five days less than then I'll be back in the, in the arms of my girls. 11:54.000 --> 11:58.000 And then, of course, where was it like five days after I get home, 11:58.000 --> 12:00.000 then we're off to, to Portugal for vacation. 12:00.000 --> 12:01.000 Did I tell you that? 12:01.000 --> 12:02.000 That we're going to Portugal. 12:02.000 --> 12:03.000 I think I did. 12:03.000 --> 12:07.000 The last rooms available in all of Europe, apparently. 12:07.000 --> 12:09.000 This is the, the big Easter holiday. 12:09.000 --> 12:12.000 And all of the United Kingdom takes, well, not all. 12:12.000 --> 12:14.000 But it seems like everyone won the lottery. 12:14.000 --> 12:16.000 And it's all taken off this year's. 12:16.000 --> 12:18.000 Hey, what is this? 12:18.000 --> 12:21.000 Certainly, you remember this fine music. 12:21.000 --> 12:23.000 And you're welcome to sing along if you can. 12:23.000 --> 12:24.000 Okay. 12:24.000 --> 12:41.000 It's a little bit on the soft side today, the Trinity theme song. 12:41.000 --> 12:48.000 Starting off with, oh, first of all, we have a slogan for the Trinity segment. 12:48.000 --> 12:51.000 This comes from Sean Murphy. 12:52.000 --> 12:54.000 It should be green my machine. 12:54.000 --> 12:57.000 Actually, this is the big promotion that I've been thinking about. 12:57.000 --> 12:59.000 We need more of those FAQs. 12:59.000 --> 13:01.000 If you're new to the daily source code. 13:01.000 --> 13:06.000 This is a part of the week where we just talk about bio diesel and alternative fuels. 13:06.000 --> 13:13.000 And anything that has to do with changing the way we consume power or the types of power that we consume, 13:13.000 --> 13:19.000 whether it be electricity or shoot, you know, stuff that you throw in in your tank. 13:19.000 --> 13:22.000 And we are working on a sponsor for this segment. 13:22.000 --> 13:24.000 So we can actually do some more with it. 13:24.000 --> 13:27.000 Now we're working on what I used to call the pimping of Trinity. 13:27.000 --> 13:31.000 Now, of course, I like this new slogan, the green my machine contest. 13:31.000 --> 13:35.000 Maybe something we could build out if we can get the sponsor interested enough. 13:35.000 --> 13:38.000 The first machine to be green will be Trinity. 13:38.000 --> 13:41.000 I want the servos in it to pop up and down. 13:41.000 --> 13:47.000 And of course, it's going to be a big, a big slogan on the side that I'll say. 13:48.000 --> 13:51.000 Save the world win valuable prizes. 13:51.000 --> 13:53.000 I think that pretty much says it all. 13:53.000 --> 13:55.000 That's all we need to know about Trinity. 13:55.000 --> 13:56.000 I don't know. 13:56.000 --> 13:57.000 I don't know. 13:57.000 --> 13:59.000 I don't know. 13:59.000 --> 14:00.000 Hey, there Adam. 14:00.000 --> 14:06.000 This is Matthew Ebel, skyping in from about the 76 miles above the surface of the earth 14:06.000 --> 14:08.000 in my spaceship, the UTF revolution. 14:08.000 --> 14:11.000 And you thought you got high, huh? 14:11.000 --> 14:13.000 Alright, sorry about that. 14:13.000 --> 14:14.000 Hey, just wanted to let you know. 14:14.000 --> 14:19.000 The whole biodiesel thing didn't really work out for the starship here. 14:19.000 --> 14:22.000 It doesn't really go so well with my engines, 14:22.000 --> 14:24.000 matter of fact, cost a lot of problems. 14:24.000 --> 14:26.000 And I'm actually just now in the engine room, 14:26.000 --> 14:28.000 putting the final touches back on the engines, 14:28.000 --> 14:31.000 reverting it to its original fuel source, 14:31.000 --> 14:35.000 which, of course, is pulverized AOL CDs. 14:35.000 --> 14:38.000 You know, I'm still surprised that all you earthbound types 14:38.000 --> 14:41.000 still haven't figured out the full potential of these pieces of shit. 14:41.000 --> 14:43.000 Wouldn't it be awesome if you could actually 14:43.000 --> 14:46.000 use those AOL CDs to run your car on? 14:46.000 --> 14:50.000 Can you imagine how far many millions of miles we could drive 14:50.000 --> 14:53.000 with all the excess CDs that are just out there? 14:53.000 --> 14:57.000 Anyway, I just wanted to let you know how happy I am 14:57.000 --> 15:02.000 that the Podsafe music network has been selling some of my tracks for the last few days. 15:02.000 --> 15:04.000 Now, it's only been a few days. 15:04.000 --> 15:08.000 And a bunch of people have already rushed out to pick these tunes up. 15:08.000 --> 15:11.000 Alright, we'll be talking more about the Podsafe music network. 15:11.000 --> 15:14.000 This is actually somewhat older comment I've been saving for Matthew Evel, 15:14.000 --> 15:18.000 specifically for the Green-Mine Machine Trinity segment of the show. 15:18.000 --> 15:20.000 Moving on to Dan Kinsella. 15:20.000 --> 15:22.000 This is surprising. 15:22.000 --> 15:26.000 And now that I think about it, I believe I saw a sign on the wall 15:26.000 --> 15:29.000 at the biofueloasis the other day, 15:29.000 --> 15:31.000 which related to this. 15:31.000 --> 15:35.000 Dan says, I'm a long time listener to the DSC as well as follower 15:35.000 --> 15:37.000 of the biodiesel technology. 15:37.000 --> 15:40.000 I recently went looking to buy a new diesel car to try the technology out 15:40.000 --> 15:42.000 and found out I couldn't buy one. 15:42.000 --> 15:46.000 In New York, California, Maine, Massachusetts, and Vermont, 15:46.000 --> 15:53.000 it is not possible to buy a new diesel car due to emissions issues. 15:53.000 --> 15:56.000 And then this is all along article. 15:56.000 --> 16:00.000 And maybe someone can condense that down for everyone listening to the show 16:00.000 --> 16:03.000 and explain exactly what the deal is. 16:03.000 --> 16:05.000 You can't buy new diesel cars. 16:05.000 --> 16:07.000 Is this a plot or what? 16:07.000 --> 16:10.000 You know, all of us, we all get turned on to biodiesel. 16:10.000 --> 16:12.000 And now you can't buy the cars. 16:12.000 --> 16:16.000 I gotta tell you, this sounds very suspicious to me. 16:16.000 --> 16:19.000 Hey Adam, Eric here from EricRites.com. 16:19.000 --> 16:21.000 Just wanted to drop you a little biodiesel info. 16:21.000 --> 16:24.000 We're in the paper today that the governor of Indiana, 16:24.000 --> 16:28.000 Mitch Daniels, announced that the Lewis Triphus Corp, 16:28.000 --> 16:33.000 will be building the world's largest biodiesel plant from Claypool, 16:33.000 --> 16:35.000 just north of Fort William Indiana. 16:35.000 --> 16:36.000 Really close to me. 16:36.000 --> 16:38.000 Anyway, just wanted to drop you that note. 16:38.000 --> 16:41.000 It's a $135 million project. 16:41.000 --> 16:42.000 That's just awesome. 16:42.000 --> 16:45.000 And it will definitely be the world's largest biodiesel plant. 16:45.000 --> 16:47.000 So I'll send you the link. 16:47.000 --> 16:48.000 And I'd just want to let you know. 16:48.000 --> 16:51.000 We are definitely moving forward here in the heartland. 16:51.000 --> 16:52.000 Going free. 16:52.000 --> 16:54.000 I'll make my daughter. 16:54.000 --> 16:56.000 What's she green to? 16:56.000 --> 17:02.000 John Roberts e-mails that Oregon buses are running on biodiesel. 17:02.000 --> 17:06.000 When he sent a link there. 17:06.000 --> 17:08.000 No audio link unfortunately. 17:08.000 --> 17:09.000 Let's see. 17:09.000 --> 17:14.000 Luis Petuz checking in from Colombia. 17:14.000 --> 17:19.000 The government is very big on using compressed natural gas in cars. 17:19.000 --> 17:22.000 It's at the same as LPG doesn't sound like liquid petroleum gas. 17:22.000 --> 17:27.000 There's even a government bonus of 500,000 pesos. 17:28.000 --> 17:30.000 So that's about $223. 17:30.000 --> 17:33.000 As you switch your car over gasoline prices are held here. 17:33.000 --> 17:34.000 So I took the plunge. 17:34.000 --> 17:36.000 I own a 1994 Nissan Pathfinder. 17:36.000 --> 17:40.000 And I had her converted to run on CNG and regular gasoline. 17:40.000 --> 17:42.000 Not only is she running cleaners since CNG is a cleaner fuel. 17:42.000 --> 17:46.000 But I'm spending more or less a third of the running costs as compared to gasoline. 17:46.000 --> 17:50.000 CNG refueling stations in the northern part of the country are plentiful in the comm. 17:50.000 --> 17:54.000 And the conversion allows my car to run on conventional gasoline or compressed national gasoline. 17:55.000 --> 17:58.000 No problems for running out of gas since CNG is mainly methane. 17:58.000 --> 18:01.000 I wonder how long until I can fart in my tank. 18:03.000 --> 18:05.000 Okay, Luis. 18:05.000 --> 18:06.000 Thank you. 18:06.000 --> 18:09.000 I really made my morning here. 18:09.000 --> 18:12.000 And then finally, DN Metzger. 18:12.000 --> 18:14.000 Hold on. 18:14.000 --> 18:17.000 Send me a link about a biodiesel here we go. 18:17.000 --> 18:21.000 Biodiesel rental cars coming to Los Angeles. 18:21.000 --> 18:27.000 The bio beetle echo rental cars, which started out on the Hawaiian island of Maui three years ago, 18:27.000 --> 18:33.000 opened for business near Los Angeles International Airport with four cars fueled by filtered vegetable oil. 18:33.000 --> 18:34.000 How cool is that? 18:34.000 --> 18:36.000 These are the things we need. 18:36.000 --> 18:40.000 And I think this is the, you know, 18:40.000 --> 18:44.000 they have a whole bunch of really good car rental services in Los Angeles. 18:44.000 --> 18:47.000 I used to when they're a lot for MTV. 18:47.000 --> 18:52.000 I used to rent from the budget because they could, they would let you rent any car you could imagine. 18:52.000 --> 18:55.000 So if it was, you know, you wanted a Rolls, you could rent a Rolls. 18:55.000 --> 18:57.000 You wanted a Corvette, you could Corvette. 18:57.000 --> 18:59.000 You wanted a Mercedes S500. 18:59.000 --> 19:05.000 Anything you wanted to rent and they'd actually pick you up at the airport in the car that you wanted to rent. 19:05.000 --> 19:08.000 So these guys are once again on the tip and it was a great way because, you know, 19:08.000 --> 19:12.000 you could kind of get a feel for the car that you might never buy or you might actually want to buy. 19:12.000 --> 19:15.000 But, you know, you want an extended road test. 19:15.000 --> 19:22.000 So that's a good way to get into it and see that there really is no difference running on, on, on biodiesel. 19:22.000 --> 19:28.000 Well, there is one big difference and that's, it just, it just smells so nice. 19:28.000 --> 19:31.000 She could talk, you hear her fake. 19:31.000 --> 19:34.000 I don't forget being in her tank. 19:34.000 --> 19:36.000 We're Trinity. 19:36.000 --> 19:39.000 Trinity. 19:40.000 --> 19:41.000 Yeah. 19:43.000 --> 19:47.000 Do you want some tech news? 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yeah, it was a rummaging around on flicker. 20:28.000 --> 20:32.000 And it turns out, of course, if you go a little bit further than your own site on flicker, 20:32.000 --> 20:34.000 then it is really a social network. 20:34.000 --> 20:36.000 And if you know the right tags to enter, 20:36.000 --> 20:38.000 you can get all kinds of very interesting pictures. 20:38.000 --> 20:42.000 And I'm big on screen savers, not for saving my screen, 20:42.000 --> 20:44.000 but for the information they provide. 20:44.000 --> 20:46.000 And if you have a Mac running OS, 20:46.000 --> 20:50.000 you'll know that you can use an RSS feed. 20:50.000 --> 20:54.000 So I want it an aggregate RSS feed. 20:54.000 --> 20:56.000 So what I found is the screen saver called, 20:56.000 --> 21:00.000 it's the 1,0001, 1001 screen saver from Mac OS X. 21:00.000 --> 21:04.000 And what you can do is you can set filters for, 21:04.000 --> 21:07.000 for flicker tags. 21:07.000 --> 21:10.000 And basically, this thing will just sit there and pull in one flicker photo after 21:10.000 --> 21:13.000 another base upon your, your filters. 21:13.000 --> 21:15.000 And it's really, really cool. 21:15.000 --> 21:16.000 I suggest you check it out. 21:16.000 --> 21:17.000 Hey Adam, feed up. 21:17.000 --> 21:18.000 Hey, satellite requirement. 21:18.000 --> 21:22.000 Eric Bergen's comments displayed some common misconceptions 21:22.000 --> 21:26.000 about how the word compression can be applied to audio. 21:26.000 --> 21:27.000 Yeah. 21:27.000 --> 21:32.000 First, MP3 is a file size compression scheme, 21:32.000 --> 21:35.000 not an audio compression scheme. 21:35.000 --> 21:39.000 It is designed to have the least possible effect on music files. 21:39.000 --> 21:43.000 Some compression schemes can be used to make a file smaller 21:43.000 --> 21:47.000 and restore it to an exact copy of the original. 21:47.000 --> 21:49.000 That kind of file compression, however, 21:49.000 --> 21:52.000 doesn't make files much smaller at all. 21:52.000 --> 21:56.000 Scames like MP3 can make much smaller files. 21:56.000 --> 22:00.000 But the price you pay is that when it is decoded, 22:00.000 --> 22:02.000 some information is missing. 22:02.000 --> 22:05.000 Often you won't even notice that. 22:05.000 --> 22:09.000 But of course, the smaller the file, the crappier the sound. 22:09.000 --> 22:12.000 But it is not the same as audio compression. 22:12.000 --> 22:14.000 That's something completely different. 22:14.000 --> 22:19.000 Audio compression is used to raise the loudness of quiet sounds 22:19.000 --> 22:22.000 and lower the loudness of the loudest sounds, 22:22.000 --> 22:26.000 making the difference between the loud and soft, less and less, 22:26.000 --> 22:28.000 depending on how much compression is applied. 22:28.000 --> 22:33.000 It is achieved electronically and has nothing to do with MP3 22:33.000 --> 22:36.000 or any other file compression scheme. 22:36.000 --> 22:38.000 One thing I think he's right about, though, 22:38.000 --> 22:42.000 is that the podsafe music network should try to establish 22:42.000 --> 22:47.000 some minimum standards for file size compression schemes like MP3. 22:47.000 --> 22:52.000 Of course, this, even if followed, wouldn't guarantee sound quality. 22:52.000 --> 22:58.000 A poor original recording will sound poor even if it's reproduced perfectly. 22:58.000 --> 23:03.000 I would like to recommend that submissions to the podsafe music network 23:03.000 --> 23:08.000 be at a minimum 128 kilobytes per second 23:08.000 --> 23:12.000 at a sampling rate of 44,100 Hertz. 23:12.000 --> 23:16.000 If it's a stereo recording or 64 kilobytes per second, 23:16.000 --> 23:21.000 at a sampling rate of 44,100 Hertz, if it is a monoral file. 23:21.000 --> 23:27.000 Both of those settings provide about an 11 to 1 savings in file size 23:27.000 --> 23:31.000 while still sounding just about indistinguishable from the original 23:31.000 --> 23:35.000 for most people's ears or most people's cares. 23:35.000 --> 23:40.000 Ideally, especially when it's intended to be used in a podcast, 23:40.000 --> 23:44.000 which is going to add a second file size compression, 23:45.000 --> 23:53.000 submitters should shoot 4192 kilobytes per second at 44,100 Hertz for stereo, 23:53.000 --> 23:58.000 which is approximately a 7 to 1 reduction in file size. 23:58.000 --> 24:01.000 When an MP3 is played back in a podcast, 24:01.000 --> 24:05.000 and that podcast then gets reencoded into an MP3, 24:05.000 --> 24:10.000 that effectively doubles the amount of audio information that gets lost. 24:10.000 --> 24:12.000 It might even be more than that. 24:13.000 --> 24:17.000 That can lead to audio that has a kind of a squishy, swirly sound, 24:17.000 --> 24:20.000 which is not at all pleasant. 24:20.000 --> 24:21.000 Or correct. 24:21.000 --> 24:23.000 Uncle Jesse! 24:23.000 --> 24:28.000 Excuse me, I have to go close a window. 24:28.000 --> 24:31.000 Long way to go for a bit, Peter, but I appreciate it. 24:31.000 --> 24:33.000 Buy everyone on stereo, see tomorrow. 24:33.000 --> 24:40.000 I think, by the way, it's kilobytes and not kilobytes per second. 24:40.000 --> 24:43.000 That's a common misconception, but it is very critical. 24:43.000 --> 24:46.000 It is a pretty short kilobytes. 24:46.000 --> 24:49.000 Yeah, we'll be talking a little bit more about the pod save music network. 24:49.000 --> 24:53.000 Just a few more things I wanted to share with you today, because some good comments came in. 24:53.000 --> 25:01.000 This next comment is actually a comment on everything's crackling and cropping out here. 25:01.000 --> 25:04.000 It's about the multi-tiered internet. 25:04.000 --> 25:07.000 Now, there's two real conversations that we're having about this. 25:07.000 --> 25:12.000 One is about the so-called good male scam, which I'm just going to call a scam. 25:12.000 --> 25:20.000 The other one is about, well, really stems from this interview on Heather Green's podcast 25:20.000 --> 25:30.000 at Business Week, where the CEO of SBC, AT&T, was pretty emotional about saying that he was pissed off. 25:30.000 --> 25:36.000 He really felt he was unparafraising now, but he was pissed off that Google is using their pipes to make all this money. 25:36.000 --> 25:39.000 That's really what it came down to. 25:39.000 --> 25:47.000 Now, there are some very good points to be made about different types of traffic that run over the internet. 25:47.000 --> 25:50.000 And I had asked for experts to chime in. 25:50.000 --> 25:56.000 And here is one that, the first time it came in, it was, well, actually, you know what? 25:56.000 --> 25:59.000 I think he explains it in the beginning, listen in. 25:59.000 --> 26:01.000 Hello, Adam. This is Mark Milliman. 26:01.000 --> 26:04.000 I apologize for the poor quality of my last message to you. 26:04.000 --> 26:08.000 Hopefully, this will sound much better than getting the hang of cast blaster. 26:08.000 --> 26:15.000 Also, I'd like to give my appreciation to all of the podcasters out there, including yourself. 26:15.000 --> 26:24.000 I've really found what a challenging job it is to put out a high-quality podcast consistently day after day after day. 26:24.000 --> 26:27.000 I can't even get this little note out. 26:27.000 --> 26:32.000 I'm trying to understand how long it takes you guys to get these shows done that you will put out there for us. 26:32.000 --> 26:36.000 So, thanks again, and keep it up. 26:36.000 --> 26:38.000 All right, so here comes his comment. 26:38.000 --> 26:40.000 This is a good one, listen in. 26:40.000 --> 26:41.000 Hello, Adam. 26:41.000 --> 26:47.000 lately there's been several misconceptions in the internet press, as well as two listeners of the Charlie, 26:47.000 --> 26:56.000 including yourself concerning the R-Box desire to charge for prioritizing packets, the right over their backbone, and their access services. 26:56.000 --> 26:59.000 This conception one is that they're doing it to reduce spam. 26:59.000 --> 27:00.000 This is false. 27:00.000 --> 27:02.000 That is a separate issue entirely. 27:02.000 --> 27:04.000 It should be addressed as a separate form. 27:04.000 --> 27:06.000 Okay, so we agree on that. 27:06.000 --> 27:10.000 This has nothing to do with the good mail scam and with spam. 27:10.000 --> 27:23.000 This is about the, I was almost a threat that AT&T SBC says, hey, we're going to start charging companies for pushing this data down the pipe. 27:23.000 --> 27:27.000 And it doesn't even, well, I don't know if they're talking about large data or not. 27:27.000 --> 27:32.000 Google doesn't seem like there's large amounts of data being requested on an individual basis. 27:32.000 --> 27:34.000 On aggregate, of course, it is big. 27:34.000 --> 27:37.000 So this is more about that particular statement. 27:37.000 --> 27:43.000 This conception number two is that they're doing it to control the content that runs over their backbone. 27:43.000 --> 27:46.000 Before you, well, I'll listen what you say first. 27:46.000 --> 27:47.000 Probably false. 27:47.000 --> 27:54.000 And the reason I say probably is the fact that two executives from the two largest Starbucks in North America 27:54.000 --> 27:58.000 make some very public statements concerning this exact issue. 27:58.000 --> 28:08.000 Truth be told, their true intent is to provide priority for packets that travel through their back bones and through their access. 28:08.000 --> 28:10.000 Okay, so let me just say one thing there. 28:10.000 --> 28:13.000 I don't believe that this is about controlling the content either. 28:13.000 --> 28:20.000 I believe it's just purely based on jealousy and the jealousy or envy may be a better word. 28:20.000 --> 28:22.000 And this is not new. 28:22.000 --> 28:26.000 This is the same thing that happened with the cable networks. 28:26.000 --> 28:29.000 I remember, man, 10, 15 years ago, the cable networks. 28:29.000 --> 28:38.000 These guys thought that they were NBC and then they started charging for access and creating their own special channels. 28:38.000 --> 28:45.000 Let's be honest, everything at the cable company does themselves when it comes to media and entertainment pretty much sucks. 28:45.000 --> 28:48.000 Because we call them trench diggers. 28:48.000 --> 28:52.000 They dig trenches and pull cables and connect you up. 28:52.000 --> 28:57.000 The DNA of these companies, any telco, is not media and entertainment. 28:57.000 --> 29:01.000 So I think that they're just looking at their investment and saying, oh shit, man. 29:01.000 --> 29:03.000 We spent a couple billion dollars. 29:03.000 --> 29:05.000 The grant it wasn't their own money. 29:05.000 --> 29:07.000 A couple billion dollars. 29:07.000 --> 29:11.000 And we're getting some pretty predictable returns on this stuff. 29:11.000 --> 29:14.000 And why everyone seems to be using it more and look at these Google fuckers. 29:14.000 --> 29:17.000 There were $100 billion dollars. 29:17.000 --> 29:23.000 See, they're a boxer in a unique position because they provide both the pipe and distribute content over it. 29:23.000 --> 29:29.000 They know the providing the pipe is somewhat a commodity service and full of competition. 29:29.000 --> 29:34.000 And they also know the providing or distributing content is highly lucrative and very profitable. 29:34.000 --> 29:39.000 So they would like to also distribute the content exactly what I said. 29:39.000 --> 29:49.000 Now, because they have both the pipe and distribute the content, they can also control the complete user experience and provide a higher quality user experience. 29:49.000 --> 29:53.000 Then third party providers don't provide the pipe. 29:53.000 --> 30:01.000 By the way, they have another advantage is they already have an existing billing relationship with the end user, which is not to be underestimated. 30:01.000 --> 30:10.000 But they also know from past experiences when they give preference to their own content distribution. 30:10.000 --> 30:15.000 They get hauled in front of Congress and for the FCC for being anti-competitive. 30:15.000 --> 30:20.000 Not just that, but their own content sucks ass. 30:21.000 --> 30:31.000 They are creating the ability for third party service providers to pay for priority traffic to run over their internet pipes. 30:31.000 --> 30:34.000 Now, all packets are not created equal. 30:34.000 --> 30:36.000 And that's a good thing. 30:36.000 --> 30:48.000 Because streaming packets that for IPTV and VoIP are very time sensitive, whereas browsing the internet, doing internet searches, getting email, or even downloading the Charlie, is not time sensitive. 30:48.000 --> 30:50.000 Well, hold on a second. 30:50.000 --> 30:53.000 I mean, if you can't get the Charlie, you'd be Jones and Pretty Bad, my friend. 30:53.000 --> 30:58.000 It doesn't matter if your web search takes a half a second longer. 30:58.000 --> 31:05.000 But it does matter if your VoIP call packets get three to half a second, because that will drop the call. 31:05.000 --> 31:15.000 So, third party service providers can now pay a little bit extra to have this packets expressly routed through these backbones and internet access pipes. 31:15.000 --> 31:20.000 And for $5 a month extra, I'd gladly pay that to VoIP provider. 31:20.000 --> 31:26.000 So, I can guarantee that I have fewer job calls, less echo, and higher quality conversation. 31:26.000 --> 31:27.000 Wouldn't you? 31:27.000 --> 31:30.000 Same thing with streaming video content. 31:30.000 --> 31:34.000 I'll tell you, make a lot of DRM issues go away if we could stream everything reliably. 31:34.000 --> 31:37.000 And throwing bandwidth at the problem is not an issue. 31:37.000 --> 31:41.000 So, I hope that this lays some of the misconceptions concerning this issues. 31:41.000 --> 31:43.000 And we all welcome this with open arms. 31:43.000 --> 31:50.000 And also pay attention to safeguards that need to be in place to prevent them from abusing this, should they choose to in the future. 31:50.000 --> 31:51.000 Thanks a lot, Adam. 31:51.000 --> 31:52.000 Take care. 31:52.000 --> 31:53.000 Bye. 31:53.000 --> 31:54.000 All right. Well, I really appreciate the feedback. 31:54.000 --> 32:08.000 And first of all, I obviously understand and agree that having some version of quality of service is very important when it comes to, you know, having connections that really are guaranteed to work. 32:08.000 --> 32:11.000 So, voice over IP. 32:11.000 --> 32:15.000 Yeah, of course, I want my phone calls to be better. That makes a lot of sense. 32:15.000 --> 32:25.000 You know what? And one explained in this manner, and you know, maybe you do want a really, really fat pipe for your, for your Xbox live experience. 32:25.000 --> 32:29.000 And that would really make it into an experience. 32:29.000 --> 32:34.000 I can kind of get into it, but I'm, you know, just the way it was communicated if anything. 32:34.000 --> 32:45.000 You know, the telcos need some PR help, man, because they get, they really rely on everyone up with this talk, you know, and it gets miscommunicated and then typical copy-paste culture format. 32:45.000 --> 32:52.000 You know, everyone starts just adding a little bit of, of nastiness on top as the message gets passed around before you know it. 32:52.000 --> 32:54.000 We all hate the telcos. 32:54.000 --> 33:00.000 But it is very interesting because, and I've had long conversations at the office about this. 33:00.000 --> 33:14.000 People watch them harder than I am. Because, you know, it does put them in a very, very interesting, well, they already are in a very interesting spot in our food chain, you know, all of our content rolls through their pipes. 33:14.000 --> 33:29.000 They do have the ability to, I mean, already, the big telcos are doing all kinds of stuff to traffic, and, you know, particularly when it gets down to the ISP level, if they happen to own the ISP, there's, you know, all kinds of restrictions and port blockage. 33:29.000 --> 33:34.000 And you name it, you know, and part of that is because it just got out of control. 33:34.000 --> 33:43.000 Man, we're seeing all kinds of denial of service attacks currently on several of our servers and, you know, what are you going to do? 33:43.000 --> 33:50.000 It's just an ongoing battle. It seems to be the cost of doing business. And if we could get some help on that, I wouldn't mind paying some extra. 33:50.000 --> 33:58.000 Oh, God. Oh, it's, I need some help. Somebody please. Oh, it's Angie. 33:58.000 --> 34:05.000 So I'm pretty excited to find that you guys are rolling the Podsafe Music Network into the podcast delivery network. 34:05.000 --> 34:08.000 So we have one super site to go to and log in now. 34:08.000 --> 34:12.000 Let me just clarify a couple of things Angie's talking about here. 34:13.000 --> 34:19.000 Rolling in may not be the right word. It'll still be accessible as the music as the Podsafe Music Network. 34:19.000 --> 34:26.000 But if you use the Pod Show podcast delivery network, the integration will become a lot easier. That's for sure. 34:26.000 --> 34:29.000 That should make things a lot easier for us, shouldn't it? 34:29.000 --> 34:33.000 And of course, we'll have APIs for anyone to integrate that into anything they want to. 34:33.000 --> 34:38.000 There's a couple of things that I'm hoping developers are working on for the full launch of the PMN. 34:39.000 --> 34:42.000 Namely, I would really love to see. 34:42.000 --> 34:46.000 Hey Chris Rockwell, you're listening to this is about you. 34:46.000 --> 34:52.000 An album titled Field Added In and release date added in. 34:52.000 --> 35:00.000 I use this information when I'm announcing tracks and I would sure like to be able to stop Googling that and just have it automatically. 35:00.000 --> 35:05.000 And as an artist, I want people to know where they can buy the songs that they like. 35:05.000 --> 35:08.000 They kind of need to know what CD it's on. 35:08.000 --> 35:14.000 Also, I'd love to be able to order the songs so we can put the newest at the top or the most popular at the top. 35:14.000 --> 35:22.000 And I would love to have a longer description field for the artists because you can't say much in the teeny tiny box that's on there right now. 35:22.000 --> 35:25.000 And you wait until you see what we're going to trick this baby. 35:25.000 --> 35:27.000 So we're going to trick it out so bad. 35:27.000 --> 35:30.000 It's going to be all of those things you've been looking for. 35:30.000 --> 35:32.000 And you'll have to give us a couple of weeks to ramp up. 35:32.000 --> 35:42.000 There's a lot of integration stuff merging of data bases and all kinds of technical things, but everything's up until now everything you said is on the list. 35:42.000 --> 35:53.000 Finally, as a band, I would feel a little bit more comfortable if we had the option of setting only like a 30 second clip from songs. 35:53.000 --> 35:58.000 I'm just a little nervous putting like every song from my two CDs up for the podcast. 35:58.000 --> 36:03.000 I know that the listeners have access to the full song through the PMN. 36:03.000 --> 36:08.000 And there's all that software out there that allows you to rip audio directly off of websites. 36:08.000 --> 36:12.000 So, Angie, Angie, you have little faith. 36:12.000 --> 36:14.000 Please. 36:14.000 --> 36:16.000 This is where it breaks down for me. 36:16.000 --> 36:18.000 Look, this is an unlabel. 36:18.000 --> 36:19.000 Okay. 36:19.000 --> 36:25.000 First of all, I don't think that you would even want to put all of your songs up on the PMN. 36:25.000 --> 36:28.000 But not as, you know, for marketing purposes, perhaps. 36:28.000 --> 36:34.000 But I think that there's a, you have to kind of figure out the ratio and what you do. 36:34.000 --> 36:40.000 It's kind of, it's nothing out of the ordinary of what radio or MTV you're doing. 36:40.000 --> 36:49.000 You release a, what used to be called a single, which of course is not really released as a single anymore, but is released as a part of a CD or a part of an album. 36:49.000 --> 36:51.000 And that's really the promotional piece. 36:51.000 --> 36:57.000 And then, you know, we can buy love spirals on through CD, baby, I think. 36:57.000 --> 37:05.000 So it should be seen as a promotion if someone wants more than they can easily go buy the CD. 37:05.000 --> 37:07.000 Thirty-second clips just don't do it for me. 37:07.000 --> 37:08.000 It really doesn't. 37:08.000 --> 37:10.000 That's, you know, that's the iTunes experience. 37:10.000 --> 37:16.000 And the only reason iTunes does it is for exactly the reason that you mention because they have DRM, 37:16.000 --> 37:21.000 which means you can, you know, make copies of this, where you can make copies for yourself. 37:21.000 --> 37:25.000 I think five copies or five different machines is what it's limited to. 37:25.000 --> 37:32.000 But the reason I don't make full previews available, of course, is because it's very easy with software as you mentioned to go and rip it off. 37:32.000 --> 37:34.000 But here's what's happening. 37:34.000 --> 37:43.000 This is not about a controlled area, you know, where people, there's so many different ways to rip off songs. 37:44.000 --> 37:48.000 You could either, but this is a ton of ways to do it. 37:48.000 --> 37:54.000 It's really, really simple to steal stuff from Pods' music network or anywhere, really. 37:54.000 --> 37:56.000 And never pay for it. 37:56.000 --> 38:02.000 But what we're seeing, and hopefully, I'll get an update today on our strong mail situation. 38:02.000 --> 38:07.000 If the emails are working, I think they were testing, yes, they have to noon in the last night. 38:07.000 --> 38:15.000 We're going to open up sales, so anyone can make as many tracks as they want available for purchase on the Pods' music network. 38:15.000 --> 38:21.000 You'll see that this is an exercise in humanity, okay? 38:21.000 --> 38:32.000 This is more about consumers for the first time proving that we're not thieves, okay? 38:32.000 --> 38:35.000 And Angie really has much as I love you. 38:35.000 --> 38:39.000 You know, you're already supposing that there are thieves out there in the audience. 38:39.000 --> 38:40.000 And guess what? 38:40.000 --> 38:51.000 There are absolutely, but I truly believe, and we're already seeing in our Alpha Beta Zeta test of the couple songs that are for sale on PMN, 38:51.000 --> 38:57.000 that people are very happy to go in and support the artists, because it's not really about buying it. 38:57.000 --> 39:02.000 It's a shit about 99 cents, and that's not the big deal, the big deal is about supporting the artist. 39:02.000 --> 39:06.000 And I think that that's really what, it's the same thing with software. 39:06.000 --> 39:12.000 You know, there's no difference in my mind between a zip file or an EXE file or an MP3 file, 39:12.000 --> 39:18.000 except in the runtime and how it's used, the actual data. 39:18.000 --> 39:24.000 And you've got to put stuff out there, that's the only way it works, it really is. 39:24.000 --> 39:28.000 So while I understand that you're nervous about it, let's give it a try. 39:28.000 --> 39:34.000 Okay, don't put all your tracks up, but make your tracks available for purchase, as soon as we go live with that stuff. 39:34.000 --> 39:40.000 And I'll ping you to make sure that you know and get you any help, which I don't think can need because all it is is just checking a box. 39:40.000 --> 39:43.000 It's 30 second clip, no harm, no foul. 39:43.000 --> 39:47.000 Anyways, looking forward to seeing the full lunch, you know, I'm gonna be right there. 39:47.000 --> 39:55.000 Checking out tracks for, hey, here comes a promo, chillcast.podshow.com and to be signing out. 39:55.000 --> 39:57.000 Oh, the toss at tones of Angie B. 39:57.000 --> 40:00.000 Hey, I'm Russell from Darkman's podcast here again. 40:00.000 --> 40:10.000 Just a quick one this time, just let you know that I'm a papers head five of Darkman's and I've just got my first response from a PMN artist that I've been playing. 40:10.000 --> 40:13.000 But gone from the problem, didn't know you in birds. 40:13.000 --> 40:18.000 There's replied saying thanks for playing and sent me a ID for my shower along with it. 40:18.000 --> 40:31.000 So I just thought that was great from him and I hope that the other PMN artists are as equally good at acknowledging when podcasts are playing their music because I think I think podcasts will appreciate the feedback. 40:31.000 --> 40:32.000 I know I certainly do. 40:32.000 --> 40:34.000 Yeah, that's all catching next time. 40:34.000 --> 40:37.000 That's really how the whole unlabel thing comes together. 40:37.000 --> 40:48.000 Again, it's an experiment in humanity and you know, I got to say that there's probably not a song that I've played on the source code that I don't get a personal email from the artist from the band thanking me for playing it. 40:48.000 --> 40:50.000 And I always reply kind of in the same manner. 40:50.000 --> 40:53.000 It's like, you know, just keep on bringing the cool tunes. 40:53.000 --> 40:55.000 That's all I want. That's all that it's about. 40:55.000 --> 40:58.000 And this is how we promote podcasting. 40:58.000 --> 41:01.000 This is how we promote independent music by working together. 41:01.000 --> 41:05.000 And it's the podcasts, it's the artists, and it's the listeners. 41:05.000 --> 41:09.000 And you know what? It's freaking working. 41:09.000 --> 41:14.000 So my video, which I may release today, was cut to this track. 41:14.000 --> 41:17.000 Listen to the words. I think you'll understand. 41:21.250 --> 45:13.750 [ Music ] 45:14.000 --> 45:44.000 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 45:44.000 --> 45:48.000 monk, as I said from the Podsate Music Network. 45:48.000 --> 45:51.000 Just one last thing before I go, I posted something 45:51.000 --> 45:55.000 at the end of the day yesterday, San Francisco time about 45:55.000 --> 45:58.000 creative comments and about a comment I had made earlier. 45:58.000 --> 46:01.000 And let me just elaborate on that a little bit because I found 46:01.000 --> 46:04.000 time and time again that writing just doesn't work for me. 46:04.000 --> 46:07.000 Whatever I write, I'm just a bad writer. 46:07.000 --> 46:09.000 It usually gets misconstrued to the words, 46:09.000 --> 46:12.000 good, and overanalyze, and picked apart, and then before you 46:12.000 --> 46:17.000 confusion, which is really why I like audio so much more as my medium. 46:17.000 --> 46:21.000 And let me just give you the genesis of a real quick. 46:21.000 --> 46:25.000 As the lawsuit against the Gossip Mag started to heat up, 46:25.000 --> 46:27.000 and we're getting closer to the date, 46:27.000 --> 46:30.000 actually even before I filed the lawsuit, 46:30.000 --> 46:35.000 I'd reached out to creative comments to Lawrence Lessick 46:35.000 --> 46:38.000 personally, actually that came through, 46:38.000 --> 46:42.000 it actually the introduction or the raising of the issue 46:42.000 --> 46:44.000 was done by a student of his. 46:44.000 --> 46:46.000 That's how it all came together. 46:46.000 --> 46:49.000 Now just to make a very long story short, 46:49.000 --> 46:53.000 I felt that there wasn't a lot of help that creative comments 46:53.000 --> 46:55.000 had to offer for me. 46:55.000 --> 47:00.000 Although I think I misappropriate or misrepresented that 47:00.000 --> 47:03.000 the absolutely did certainly Lawrence Lessick said, 47:03.000 --> 47:06.000 hey, let me know if there's anything I can do. 47:06.000 --> 47:09.000 So there really wasn't anything that can be done. 47:09.000 --> 47:12.000 I just wanted some open communication. 47:12.000 --> 47:15.000 And I didn't really need creative comments help, 47:15.000 --> 47:18.000 so I don't need any financial help for bringing the lawsuit. 47:18.000 --> 47:21.000 But just kind of got me at an emotional level. 47:21.000 --> 47:23.000 You have to understand that in the Netherlands, 47:23.000 --> 47:25.000 whenever I do anything, 47:25.000 --> 47:27.000 I'm always ridiculed for it. 47:27.000 --> 47:29.000 And there may be reasons for that, too. 47:29.000 --> 47:35.000 But the press was extremely mean and hateful 47:35.000 --> 47:38.000 about this, of course, I was suing the press. 47:38.000 --> 47:39.000 So what does the press do? 47:39.000 --> 47:43.000 They jump all over someone when they want to make waves. 47:43.000 --> 47:47.000 And there is a Dutch chapter of Creative Commons. 47:47.000 --> 47:51.000 As I now know, it's volunteers and it's maybe a little less organized 47:51.000 --> 47:53.000 than I thought it was. 47:53.000 --> 47:55.000 And I didn't hear a peep from them. 47:55.000 --> 47:57.000 Not a word, not a single hay. 47:57.000 --> 47:59.000 There's something important coming up, 47:59.000 --> 48:02.000 nothing on their weblog, nothing in the press. 48:02.000 --> 48:05.000 And then after the lawsuit, I hadn't still had not, 48:05.000 --> 48:08.000 I actually sent a professor, a link and said, 48:08.000 --> 48:10.000 hey, I posted, here's the judgment. 48:10.000 --> 48:11.000 Here's what's going on. 48:11.000 --> 48:13.000 And he said, okay, I'll take a look at it. 48:13.000 --> 48:14.000 Didn't hear back from him. 48:14.000 --> 48:18.000 And so the next message I saw was this press release, 48:18.000 --> 48:21.000 including the director or manager, 48:21.000 --> 48:24.000 whatever of the Dutch chapter of Creative Commons, 48:24.000 --> 48:26.000 saying, well, isn't this great? 48:26.000 --> 48:28.000 You know, it was a fantastic for Creative Commons. 48:28.000 --> 48:30.000 And this is all good news. 48:30.000 --> 48:33.000 And Yipity, hey, and I'm like, you want a fucker. 48:33.000 --> 48:36.000 You know, where was the backup? 48:36.000 --> 48:38.000 And it felt so typical. 48:38.000 --> 48:41.000 It actually felt very typically Dutch to me. 48:41.000 --> 48:44.000 Because this is almost cultural. 48:44.000 --> 48:46.000 It's like, oh, I'm not going to say anything. 48:46.000 --> 48:48.000 But oh, you know, the war is over. 48:48.000 --> 48:50.000 We're all going to jump out and rejoice. 48:50.000 --> 48:51.000 And so it just piss me off. 48:51.000 --> 48:53.000 And I wrote a piece on my weblog, 48:53.000 --> 48:55.000 which kind of mischaracterized the relationships. 48:55.000 --> 48:58.000 So it had some email back and forth with Lawrence. 48:58.000 --> 48:59.000 It's funny. 48:59.000 --> 49:03.000 We had more email about that than about the whole case itself. 49:03.000 --> 49:05.000 And I just called it out and said, look, my bad. 49:05.000 --> 49:07.000 I was emotional. 49:07.000 --> 49:09.000 But, you know, what do you guys do? 49:09.000 --> 49:11.000 What does the whole point of Creative Commons? 49:11.000 --> 49:13.000 You know, where was the voice behind me? 49:13.000 --> 49:16.000 I just didn't feel like I got any backup. 49:16.000 --> 49:22.000 And so, you know, everyone kind of copped to all the mistakes they had made. 49:22.000 --> 49:25.000 And really, we said, hey, this is a learning experience. 49:25.000 --> 49:28.000 And let's figure out how we can make it easier for the next time. 49:28.000 --> 49:30.000 Something like this comes along for someone else. 49:30.000 --> 49:35.000 And so I just want to read this email that Lawrence sent to me. 49:35.000 --> 49:38.000 Although it's belated, unfortunately framed. 49:38.000 --> 49:39.000 Thank you for doing what you did. 49:39.000 --> 49:45.000 There are very few who do things that really benefit the public far more than they could ever benefit from themselves. 49:45.000 --> 49:46.000 That's what you do here. 49:46.000 --> 49:51.000 I can express adequately how happy I was when I saw you were going to do what you did. 49:51.000 --> 49:55.000 I was extremely eager to help as I had long hoped we might be able to conspire more closely. 49:55.000 --> 49:59.000 And earlier efforts to reach out hadn't seemed to connect. 49:59.000 --> 50:00.000 Wow, man. 50:00.000 --> 50:02.000 That's, I don't know what that is. 50:02.000 --> 50:04.000 I don't, not quite sure what he means. 50:04.000 --> 50:10.000 But email in general is just a shitty way to connect when it comes to stuff like the hate email. 50:10.000 --> 50:15.000 Anyway, Lawrence goes on, I read perhaps incorrectly a desire to keep distance and control in this case. 50:15.000 --> 50:17.000 So I didn't push it. 50:17.000 --> 50:23.000 See, that's where that's where weblogged postings and stuff just doesn't connect. 50:23.000 --> 50:25.000 I didn't want to keep any distance or control. 50:25.000 --> 50:33.000 I just wanted some backing and some voices out there that could help me out because there were very few voices pushing for me. 50:33.000 --> 50:40.000 So that was just a total human error miscommunication on both sides, obviously. 50:40.000 --> 50:44.000 Lawrence says I'm just happy it ended in a way that made principle clear. 50:44.000 --> 50:51.000 Right on, your story makes me think we should raise a defense fund that we keep set aside for people in your circumstance. 50:51.000 --> 50:54.000 Legal rules limit what we can do in that regard, surprise surprise. 50:54.000 --> 51:00.000 But it might make sense for both the movement and individuals to create a common defense fund. 51:00.000 --> 51:03.000 If you'd be up for suggesting it, I'd be happy to take the idea. 51:03.000 --> 51:05.000 Yeah, I think it's a good idea. 51:05.000 --> 51:12.000 But maybe it should be not in a monetary form, but it should be in a form of assistance. 51:12.000 --> 51:19.000 So I could contribute, if I were a lawyer, I could contribute some hours, which, of course, is directly relatable to money. 51:19.000 --> 51:23.000 But, you know, some lawyers actually have a quota of pro bono work. 51:23.000 --> 51:25.000 They want to fill up that could be one way. 51:25.000 --> 51:28.000 I'd be very happy to testify or do anything that I could do. 51:28.000 --> 51:30.000 I'd contribute my time that way. 51:30.000 --> 51:37.000 And really I think what we need is kind of like an FAQ of exactly what an organization like Creative Commons can do. 51:37.000 --> 51:43.000 And again, I wasn't looking for financial help and it still seems like perhaps Larry thought that's what I was talking about. 51:43.000 --> 51:50.000 But I was really just talking about some backing, you know, just some more voices out there in the blogger sphere, 51:50.000 --> 51:54.000 while I was attacking the problem and not only after the fact. 51:54.000 --> 51:59.000 So I think in general, this whole situation has been really, really good. 51:59.000 --> 52:06.000 Good for Creative Commons, good for the intellectual property rights of individual creative people who are using the internet 52:06.000 --> 52:09.000 as their distribution, medium and vehicle. 52:09.000 --> 52:15.000 But it's also been good as we learn more about how we should be working together and what Creative Commons does 52:15.000 --> 52:23.000 and how it can be utilized to strengthen our position in the Creative landscape even more. 52:23.000 --> 52:29.000 So I'm really happy we worked all of that out and, you know, it's just just so ironic. 52:29.000 --> 52:32.000 Web logs and everything sometimes make it much, much more complicated. 52:32.000 --> 52:38.000 Alright everybody, that's it for today's show. 52:38.000 --> 52:39.000 I'll be back tomorrow. 52:39.000 --> 52:43.000 We'll be over the hump and I'll be, I'll go to bed even earlier. 52:43.000 --> 52:45.000 So I'll be even more coherent. 52:45.000 --> 52:48.000 Another pod show pod guest. 52:48.000 --> 52:53.000 Stick it in your ear. 52:53.000 --> 52:55.000 Get this pod guest and we're great ones like it. 52:55.000 --> 53:00.000 On the high performance pod cast of Libri Network from Podjo and line white networks. 53:00.000 --> 53:02.000 I love it.