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Delta Sierra, Charlie, 369.

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Adam Curry, Adam Curry.

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With $16 million worth of
airplanes strapped to my ass.

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Transmitters.

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Then the next generation radio
content in my ears.

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We don't need no stinking
transmitter.

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I like to think I'm flying into
the future.

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Hot casting.

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Here's Adam Curry.

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Oh, Adam can't be with us today
because he's on vacation.

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Yeah, I think he's getting a
little suntan.

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So I just thought that I'd step
in

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to try to fill his shoes, as it
were,

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with a little history of how I,
and you be,

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became Adam Curry's girlfriend.

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It all started back on DSC
number 280

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with all this sexy love talk.

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I had a mini epiphany last night

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while here in the hotel,

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and I was thinking now,

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because we can still kind of
mess around

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with the PodSafe Music Network
before it gets too big

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and too many people are in there

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and you can't really reverse
engineer anything.

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So what if we enabled the
PodSafe Music Network

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so that the artists could enable
a track to be purchased?

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And the simplicity of this
really, really hit me

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right between the years last
night.

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Like, wow, you know, first of
all, it's really easy to create.

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You know, a transaction,
e-commerce engine like that is
easy.

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And then any artist who's
willing

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to participate in the experiment
could just check a box

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next to a track that they would
like to make purchasable.

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And it's a clear, clean MP3
file.

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I think that this would be a
really interesting experiment

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because if it's really true

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that we pay for the stuff we
like,

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then we should probably be able
to make some good money

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for these artists as long as we
make it really simple.

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Wouldn't it be really, really
interesting

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if it turned out that sales were
astronomical

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within our little world, of
course,

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you know, we don't have jailos
yet,

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but that's soon to come

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because these podcasts are
proliferating.

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There's a lot of propagation of
cool tunes out there.

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Wouldn't that be really
interesting?

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Wouldn't that just break a whole
bunch of business models?

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It could break DRM.

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So maybe we say the only DRM we
believe in

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is don't rob musicians.

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That's probably a good one.

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I wanna try that out.

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You go girl.

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I think it will work.

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You know what?

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My belief in humanity tells me
it's going to work.

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Audio feedback.

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Okay, let's, if it's too long or
if it doesn't,

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this is actually the way that I
go through promos

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and feedback is by basically
listening to them.

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And if they bore me, then they
go on the...

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In the trash.

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Hey Adam, this is Angie B of
Love Spirals.

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We're on the PodSafe Music
Network.

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Is he laughing up?

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I've been wanting to give you
some feedback

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regarding the whole BMI ASCAP
issue,

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which you just brought up again
recently this weekend.

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We're an indie band that was
signed

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to a small label for the past 15
years.

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We sold a little over 50,000
CDs.

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So while we're not totally
unknown,

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we're by no means a major label
artist.

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In fact, we recently began our
own label

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and we just put out our first
self-release CD this month.

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Now I've been hearing about

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the Creative Commons copyright

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quite a bit over the past few
years.

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And I wondered if we should go
that route

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with our new music.

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But the thing is Adam,

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that BMI actually does collect
and send us money.

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Of course, radio play for
smaller bands,

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it doesn't really bring in any
significant money.

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But if you're lucky enough to
land placement

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in a popular TV show or a
commercial,

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then BMI or ASCAP can bring in
hundreds of dollars per check,

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which is really great for
smaller bands.

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So my question to you is,

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how can bands that are in a
position

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to make a little bit of money
like this

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really afford to give up working
with BMI or ASCAP?

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I mean, Creative Commons doesn't
collect money, period.

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I mean, I honestly feel stuck

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between a rock and a hard place
right now.

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On the one hand, being a smaller
band,

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we really need the support of
podcasters.

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I mean, more than any major
label band does.

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But on the other hand,

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we need to try to collect any
money that comes our way,

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even if it is through BMI,

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because as you said,

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creative people such as bands
and podcasters

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really kind of need to quit
their day jobs

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so we can continue to be more
creative.

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Just to try to help out in this
dilemma,

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I decided last week to update
our website

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to include an official statement
about podcasting

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along with the free downloads
that we provide.

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So there's a public record of
our permission.

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Maybe other bands listening to
your show

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should consider doing something
like that too.

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And by the way, our website is
lovespirals.com.

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We've got the free MP3s I
mentioned,

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as well as our podcast, Chillin'
With Love Spirals.

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So come check us out if you
haven't already.

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Okay, first of all, you got a
hell of a sexy voice.

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Let me check you out on the
website.

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Lovespirals.com.

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Let me see.

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Loading pictures.

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Oh, you're so cute.

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I gotta twist my head all the
way to the right to see you.

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Hee hee.

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All right.

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So of course you confused me
with a lawyer,

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which is unfortunate.

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I have actually looked into this

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and it's a lot simpler than
you'd think.

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So ASCAP and BMI, they are
collection agencies

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and they collect money from,

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more than just the broadcast
industry by the way,

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they collect it from bars, from
elevators and hotels

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and even from businesses.

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If you have a business and you
have,

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let's say you have a mechanic
shop, a garage

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and you have the radio on,

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you will eventually get a visit
from ASCAP and or BMI.

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I'm not quite sure who drops by.

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Maybe they both drop by.

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And they'll start asking you
about who you listen to,

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how often, how many people
listen to it

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and you have to pay money for
that.

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So the groovy thing is you own
all of your stuff.

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I presume.

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So it's all yours.

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So you can license this any way
you want

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to anybody in any manner.

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So signing up with ASCAP, BMI is
not a license.

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That is a, it's basically, you
copyright your work

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with the US copyright office.

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All that information is on the
BMI and ASCAP websites,

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by the way.

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I think it costs 35 bucks and
doesn't matter.

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You can send like 10 tracks at
once

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and it only costs $35 and you
copyright it.

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So that is your work.

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And then you sign up with ASCAP,
BMI.

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I don't think, one of them
doesn't have a fee I think

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but so anyway you sign up and
then you're in their

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database and whenever your name
pops up

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for an airplay either on radio
or TV or, you know,

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and then of course they have
these huge

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complicated structures, you
know,

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well we're figuring that if you
were played

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three times on a radio station,

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you might have hit an elevator
once or something.

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I don't know how they do it,
it's all mumbo jumbo.

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They try to explain it.

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They will then send you a check.

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So when you register with the
PodSafe Music Network

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at music.podshow.com, you're
basically handing out

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a different license to a
different set of people.

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So podcasters essentially by
clicking okay,

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sign that agreement and agree to
the terms

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as set out in the terms at the
PMN.

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So that doesn't mean, and in
fact it states there

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that it's yours and that no
performance license

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or royalty or anything will have
to be paid

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and that's a license only to
those people

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who are a member of the PodSafe
Music Network.

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It's really simple.

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So you could license it any way
you want

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with any terms you want to
anybody.

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Now as I'm not, again I'm not a
lawyer

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and you should really talk to
Larry Lessig

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about the Creative Commons
stuff,

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but I'm pretty sure that if you
put it up

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under Creative Commons that you
can still license it

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to ASCAP and BMI shouldn't be a
problem.

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In fact I encourage that because
if your music

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is used in that manner in a
broadcast

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or public performance then of
course

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you should get compensated.

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Now when it comes to TV shows,

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that's a little different
because that's a synchronization
fee

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or a sync write and you can,

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I think you can basically call
the shots on that.

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You can, because they will have
to contact you.

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Say if they would use it for a
commercial

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and again I'm not a lawyer so I
could have this wrong

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but I think that, look the basis
of everything

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is that it's your stuff and if
you wanna license it

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to me for free and to ABC for
$10,000

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that's up to you.

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That is up to you and I
encourage it

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and I'm really, really happy you
sent me that email.

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I really appreciate it.

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And maybe you guys would like to
try it,

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the experiment with the free and
clear MP3 for purchase.

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Wouldn't that be interesting?

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Gosh, I really wanna check that
out.

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What was that?

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You wanted to check out Adam?

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Who can resist all that sexy
music geek talk?

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The very next day on 281,

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we continued our scintillating
four play talk.

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Oh man, we've got so much cool
stuff to talk about.

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Jesus Christ, we got,

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stuff's really gonna start
coming now.

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There's so many new bands
pouring

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into the PodSafe Music Network.

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Everyone's catching on to this.

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So this is, and please artists
record something.

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Give me some feedback.

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I wanna hear what you're
thinking.

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So I got one more piece of
feedback

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from Angie B from Love Spirals,

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which by the way in the show
notes,

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Love Spirals was spelled as two
separate words,

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but it's supposed to be one
word, Love Spirals.

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Let's check that out.

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Hold on, let me turn this off,
there we go.

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Now, hit me baby.

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Come on in.

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Hey Adam, it's Angie B of Love
Spirals again.

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Thanks for the compliment.

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You have a sexy voice too.

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That's what keeps me coming back
to listen.

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Oh yeah, baby.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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That's how I get your lovely
wife.

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Don't worry about her.

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She hasn't listened to any shows
this week, Angie.

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Is that why you keep coming
back, baby?

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Is that really the reason?

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Well, you're welcome to do it.

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Jealous now.

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Back to business.

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It wasn't so much that I
expected to give me legal advice

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because I'm pretty well versed
in these things.

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It's just the whole cool factor

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that Creative Commons seems to
have.

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I mean, I do listen to a number
of music podcasts

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and people definitely seem to
respect

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Creative Commons artists in a
certain way.

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And especially with all the BMI
bashing

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that you've done lately, I'm
just a little worried

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that podcasters are gonna be
turned off

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to playing Love Spirals because
we do sign up our songs

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with BMI and get them
copyrighted the old fashioned
way.

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So I just wanted to kind of
bring that to your attention

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that some of us independent
artists

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that are really need coffee,

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are still gonna need to rely on
some of the old school

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music business setups for now

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until something else happens.

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But I did wanna thank you for
including my audio feedback

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in 280 because I got some emails
from your listeners

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and a few sales, so it's really
great all the way around.

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And PodSafe Music Network
podcasters,

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be sure to check out Love
Spirals on the site.

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Very cool.

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Okay, no, of course, I had this
horrible thought

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that just flashed my mind for a
nanosecond.

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Would it be horrible if the
music industry said,

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you can't even play, you can't
play any music on a podcast?

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That they had some kind of
trick, you know,

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paragraph somewhere in some law,

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some something that was passed
in the middle of the night

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and that we couldn't play any
music at all, you know,

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and that music would be
outlawed, it would be illegal

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unless it was from Warner or
Sony or EMI.

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My goodness.

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Save the my goodness for the
next bit of feedback

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because I'll be the first to
admit,

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I think I got a little bit
carried away.

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Yeah, well, we'll just let it
speak for itself, shall we?

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I think there's a reason why
Adam snuck off

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to the Jaguar to reply to my
next bit of feedback.

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So here we go, DSC 288.

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But right now I'm cruising on a
country road,

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I don't have to worry about
monitoring my speed,

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I'm safely behind the guy in
front of me.

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I love it, man, this is awesome.

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So, well, all that's happening,

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why don't we go over to some
feedback?

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Adam, Adam, Adam, it's Anthony
again.

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Hey baby.

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Getting back to you, some
feedback from today's show.

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Wow, I could hardly believe my
ears.

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Right after Patricia claims you
have the perfect cock,

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she props this for you from
Warner's sex

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and you turn her down.

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Turn for having her come on your
pod, shut it, chat.

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That's right, man, I care about
the show.

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Come on, what is that?

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What has happened to our real
pod father here?

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I mean, it's great you're
dedicated, but honey,

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I think that's a little too
dedicated.

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Time to enjoy the wine.

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Hey, don't worry, baby.

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Tap that ass later on, all
right?

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Anyway, it brought to mind that
one of your listeners

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emailed me the other day to say
that he was ordering

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a copy of our new album, because
it was so romantic.

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He thought it would put him in
the mood with his lady friend.

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So I was thinking, maybe I
should send Adam a copy

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of 3NZ to help put him in the
mood with Patricia.

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So, you know, give me the
address

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and I'll look it up for you,
baby.

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Oh, baby.

13:37.380 --> 13:38.220
You know what?

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This sounds like an emergency.

13:39.220 --> 13:41.180
Why don't I just send you one
right now?

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It's a jazzy one, so I think
Patricia and even Christina

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will like it.

13:46.420 --> 13:47.500
It's called a Bide.

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It's by Lo Sparles from 3NZ.

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And if you dig it, I could be
persuaded to add it to the Pod

13:52.300 --> 13:54.060
Safe Music Network, just for
you.

13:58.060 --> 14:00.340
This is lovely, Angie B. Thank
you so much.

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Wish your ass was here getting
warm on the seat next to me,

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honey.

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Things are blind.

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I'm climbing this path in the
rain.

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[ Music ]

16:41.040 --> 16:48.040
Let it pass away, pass away,
pass away.

16:48.040 --> 16:51.500
Love spirals, NGB, thank you so
much, honey.

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I hope you do add that to the
Pod Save Music Network.

16:53.700 --> 16:57.420
That would be fantastic if other
people could play that.

16:57.420 --> 16:59.980
Very nice having you along for
the ride today.

16:59.980 --> 17:01.260
Keep the feedback coming.

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I really appreciate it, NGB.

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Looking forward to more from
you.

17:05.300 --> 17:07.260
That was almost a little bit too
much excitement

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for a girl to take.

17:09.540 --> 17:12.260
Things kind of cooled down for a
little bit between Adam

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and I and tell about DSC number
294 when he brought me

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completely out of the blue in
the midst of a heated rant.

17:20.220 --> 17:24.300
The radio industry was already
on its last legs,

17:24.300 --> 17:26.420
which arguably could have gone
on forever,

17:26.420 --> 17:28.820
had, you know, had podcasting
not arrived,

17:28.820 --> 17:32.420
had satellite radio not come in
to threaten the scene.

17:32.420 --> 17:34.980
iPods in general, just people
listening to music their way,

17:34.980 --> 17:37.180
being in control of their own
programming.

17:38.260 --> 17:42.020
But they were consolidated and
that's usually

17:42.020 --> 17:45.380
the last gasp of any industry is
consolidation.

17:46.220 --> 17:48.900
So it's not really true there's
only a couple of players.

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There are many players still,

17:50.020 --> 17:51.460
certainly on a global aspect,

17:51.460 --> 17:53.180
but in the United States there
are a couple of players

17:53.180 --> 17:55.060
who own a shitload of
frequencies.

17:55.060 --> 17:56.860
Same thing with the music
business.

17:56.860 --> 17:59.500
They're consolidating, they're
now really three

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big labels who work on the
traditional models

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and who make up the RIAA and
that's EMI,

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Sony and Warner, Warner
Brothers, Time Warner.

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There's no more creativity left
in that industry.

18:13.180 --> 18:15.340
I've been to Warner.

18:15.340 --> 18:17.500
I've been to Sony, not the EMI,

18:17.500 --> 18:19.380
but I've been to the two of the
top three

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and the carpets are fraying.

18:20.980 --> 18:23.540
You know, it's all you see is
suits and lawyers.

18:23.540 --> 18:25.340
There's no music blasting
through the hallways.

18:25.340 --> 18:29.020
A very different scene than say
only 10 years ago.

18:29.020 --> 18:33.340
So I think from the PodSafe
artists I've spoken to,

18:33.340 --> 18:35.540
many of them have done the math
and have figured out

18:35.540 --> 18:37.660
it just doesn't make any sense.

18:37.660 --> 18:40.900
Why would you want a mainstream
record deal?

18:40.900 --> 18:43.260
You know, a big co-record deal.

18:43.260 --> 18:44.900
Why would you want that?

18:44.900 --> 18:46.820
You will probably sell more
records

18:46.820 --> 18:51.180
if you are fortunate enough to
be one of the small percentage

18:51.180 --> 18:52.980
that does actually become
successful

18:52.980 --> 18:55.580
through the music business,
through the system.

18:58.180 --> 19:02.580
But based upon, you know,
selling it directly

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to the listener with help of
all, you know,

19:04.980 --> 19:07.980
your own marketing places like
MySpace

19:07.980 --> 19:12.140
but certainly with podcasts, you
may sell less records

19:12.140 --> 19:14.380
but you'll probably make more
money at the end of the day.

19:14.380 --> 19:16.940
You won't have to sue anyone
over it.

19:16.940 --> 19:20.420
Won't be tied to the man and
you'll own your shit.

19:20.420 --> 19:21.620
You own your own shit.

19:21.620 --> 19:22.660
You don't need it.

19:22.660 --> 19:23.860
I know plenty of pods.

19:23.860 --> 19:25.140
Here, the Love Spirals.

19:25.140 --> 19:26.500
They've sold 50,000 records.

19:26.500 --> 19:28.540
You know, Angie Bee who sends me
those wonderful,

19:28.540 --> 19:32.780
wonderful throaty feedback
comments.

19:34.620 --> 19:36.700
50,000 records.

19:36.700 --> 19:38.340
You know, this stuff really does
work.

19:38.340 --> 19:42.980
I just don't think that you need
to resort

19:43.020 --> 19:44.420
to the mainstream record
companies.

19:44.420 --> 19:47.020
Now, there is something that's
called the distribution deal.

19:47.020 --> 19:49.420
I think there's something very
different with this.

19:50.700 --> 19:54.780
The distribution deal is, I
think, very exciting.

19:54.780 --> 19:56.820
And that's, if someone offers
you a distribution deal,

19:56.820 --> 19:58.380
you definitely should talk to
them

19:58.380 --> 20:02.300
because that means they can get
your CD into stores.

20:02.300 --> 20:05.940
This is what a lot of the
smaller urban hip-hop

20:05.940 --> 20:09.100
R&B labels have with major
companies.

20:09.100 --> 20:10.340
And you know, look at them.

20:10.340 --> 20:11.700
Do you think those guys got some
bling?

20:11.700 --> 20:13.100
Well, it's because they're doing
it right

20:13.100 --> 20:14.300
because they got the money.

20:14.300 --> 20:15.620
And they, of course, they also
take

20:15.620 --> 20:17.380
a whole bunch of risk associated
with it

20:17.380 --> 20:22.380
because, you know, if you want
to get your record played,

20:23.100 --> 20:25.180
then you will be responsible

20:25.180 --> 20:26.580
for paying money to stations.

20:26.580 --> 20:28.420
And by the way, it's exactly how
it happens.

20:28.420 --> 20:30.780
It goes through independent
promotions companies,

20:30.780 --> 20:31.940
but, you know, you'll have to
pay.

20:31.940 --> 20:35.140
Sony just settled the $10
million lawsuit in New York

20:35.140 --> 20:36.740
that Spitzer brought against
them.

20:36.740 --> 20:37.900
They paid 10 million bucks

20:37.900 --> 20:39.740
because that's how it happens.

20:39.740 --> 20:42.060
There is absolute payola.

20:42.060 --> 20:45.700
You know, you'll have to go and
suck some,

20:45.700 --> 20:50.020
you know, what over at BET and
MTV and VH1

20:50.020 --> 20:52.700
and any other music channel,
video channel.

20:52.700 --> 20:53.700
You have to make your own video.

20:53.700 --> 20:54.940
You'll have to pay for it.

20:54.940 --> 20:56.180
I think it's fricking worth it.

20:56.180 --> 21:00.060
By the way, I think that there
will be a collaboration

21:00.060 --> 21:03.260
very soon between one or more
pod safe music artists

21:03.260 --> 21:04.860
and video bloggers who will, you
know,

21:04.860 --> 21:07.300
start to work with the art and
the skills

21:07.300 --> 21:08.500
that they're honing right now

21:08.500 --> 21:10.860
and create fantastic music
videos

21:10.860 --> 21:12.660
that we'll be able to enjoy
online.

21:12.660 --> 21:13.820
There's plenty of communities

21:13.820 --> 21:16.540
that trade music videos, watch
them.

21:16.540 --> 21:19.540
I'm really expecting some big
things from it.

21:22.220 --> 21:23.980
Oh man.

21:23.980 --> 21:26.100
Yeah, he's tired after that.

21:26.100 --> 21:29.900
Boy, virile, very virile,
completely making up

21:29.900 --> 21:31.940
for the lapse with Patricia.

21:31.940 --> 21:33.580
So of course I got back to him

21:33.580 --> 21:37.180
and this is our chat on DSC 296.

21:37.180 --> 21:41.260
And meanwhile, back at the
ranch, here,

21:41.260 --> 21:44.700
we've got my favorite, Angie B.

21:44.700 --> 21:46.660
Welcome back to California,
Adam.

21:46.660 --> 21:50.620
It's Angie B. with some feedback
from DSC number 294.

21:50.620 --> 21:52.180
It was really sweet of you to
mention

21:52.180 --> 21:53.980
Love Spirals is an indie success
story

21:53.980 --> 21:55.900
and I really appreciate that.

21:55.900 --> 21:58.420
But as comic strip blogger
pointed out

21:58.420 --> 22:00.460
in the comments of curry.com,

22:00.460 --> 22:02.300
yeah, our CDs were done.

22:02.300 --> 22:03.500
Wait a minute.

22:03.540 --> 22:04.380
Angie.

22:06.380 --> 22:08.620
Now we're talking about comic
strip blogger

22:08.620 --> 22:10.500
in our little love messaging.

22:10.500 --> 22:12.820
Oh no, no, no, I think we're
going off track here.

22:12.820 --> 22:14.780
We were definitely sold before
podcasting.

22:14.780 --> 22:17.540
In fact, much of them before
MP3s

22:17.540 --> 22:19.580
and a lot of them before the
internet.

22:19.580 --> 22:22.180
Yeah, some were actually
released on cassette

22:22.180 --> 22:24.900
and they were all released on
the indie label project.

22:24.900 --> 22:27.340
So I just wanted to give them
their props.

22:27.340 --> 22:29.380
Now I joined the band in 1999

22:30.340 --> 22:34.140
and began a lot of online
promotions,

22:34.140 --> 22:36.620
created MP3s, put them up

22:36.620 --> 22:38.940
and I started internet radio
station

22:38.940 --> 22:41.220
and just explored all the new
avenues

22:41.220 --> 22:42.500
that were coming into being

22:42.500 --> 22:44.860
at that really exciting time.

22:44.860 --> 22:48.180
Until eventually I realized that
we could do

22:48.180 --> 22:50.780
most of what the label currently
does for their bands

22:50.780 --> 22:53.260
in today's radically changed
musical environment.

22:53.260 --> 22:54.700
I mean, everything is so
different

22:54.700 --> 22:57.540
from when Ryan first started the
band.

22:57.540 --> 22:59.260
So that's why this year

22:59.260 --> 23:02.460
we decided to put out our CD
completely independently

23:02.460 --> 23:04.260
on our own label.

23:04.260 --> 23:05.420
And it's really exciting

23:05.420 --> 23:07.940
but coming from an old school
background like that,

23:07.940 --> 23:09.420
you know, we have some questions

23:09.420 --> 23:11.180
as to whether some of the new
inventions

23:11.180 --> 23:12.820
are really better than the old
standards

23:12.820 --> 23:13.780
that we're used to

23:13.780 --> 23:16.260
and wondering which way we
should go

23:16.260 --> 23:18.900
and you seem like a really great
source for advice.

23:18.900 --> 23:22.580
I'm really looking forward to
the full launch of PMN.

23:22.580 --> 23:24.540
You can definitely include Love
Sparles

23:24.540 --> 23:26.540
in your digital sales
experiment.

23:26.540 --> 23:28.340
We'll be right there with you,
baby.

23:28.340 --> 23:31.180
And I'm hoping that you will
help us pick out

23:31.180 --> 23:33.020
the new song from Free and Easy

23:33.020 --> 23:34.820
to add to PMN next week.

23:34.820 --> 23:35.740
So get back to me.

23:35.740 --> 23:36.900
Tell me which one you like.

23:36.900 --> 23:38.420
It's always great to talk to
you.

23:38.420 --> 23:40.420
You know, I love your throaty
voice too, baby.

23:40.420 --> 23:41.260
Oh, baby.

23:41.260 --> 23:42.100
I got your envelope.

23:42.100 --> 23:42.940
Thank you very much.

23:42.940 --> 23:44.500
And thank you very much for the
CD

23:44.500 --> 23:45.980
and the personal note.

23:45.980 --> 23:48.740
And I will certainly,

23:48.740 --> 23:51.220
I've been playing the CD here in
the condo

23:51.220 --> 23:53.380
and I need to hear all the songs
a couple of times

23:53.380 --> 23:55.500
and I'll tell you what I like.

23:55.500 --> 23:58.300
Yeah, I like them all,
obviously.

23:58.300 --> 24:00.740
And by the way, the panties
really smelled nice.

24:00.740 --> 24:02.460
I would like to take this
opportunity

24:02.460 --> 24:04.780
to publicly refute the
accusation

24:04.780 --> 24:07.260
that I sent Adam Curry my
panties.

24:07.260 --> 24:08.460
I did no such thing.

24:08.460 --> 24:09.980
Dream on, Adam.

24:09.980 --> 24:12.980
But of course, I couldn't stay
mad at Adam for long.

24:12.980 --> 24:14.260
And before you know it,

24:14.260 --> 24:19.100
I was back at it with a little
more feedback on DSC325.

24:19.100 --> 24:20.940
And now, I guarantee you,

24:20.940 --> 24:23.380
it's going to be an extra super
long show

24:23.380 --> 24:25.460
because we've got all kinds of
feedback

24:25.460 --> 24:27.820
from all of my favorite people,

24:28.260 --> 24:31.740
and RGB with some feedback on
DSC number 324.

24:32.700 --> 24:35.260
So about this whole splits
thing.

24:35.260 --> 24:37.740
The car snader was definitely
right.

24:37.740 --> 24:41.060
Artists have traditionally made
pennies on the dollar

24:41.060 --> 24:42.260
with music.

24:42.260 --> 24:44.220
In fact, we still do.

24:44.220 --> 24:47.060
Love Sparles is signed up with

24:47.060 --> 24:49.420
just about every one of those
digital music stores out.

24:49.420 --> 24:51.940
They're all the majors, iTunes,
Rhapsody, MusicNet,

24:51.940 --> 24:55.780
MSN, Music, Napster, Sony
Connect, yada, yada, yada.

24:55.780 --> 25:00.780
And the amount that we make
ranges from two cents to 86
cents.

25:01.660 --> 25:04.060
There's no standards.

25:04.060 --> 25:07.740
So, you know, but we're happy to
get whatever we do

25:07.740 --> 25:10.340
because, you know, if you
normally make a dollar

25:10.340 --> 25:15.020
something per CD, making two
cents to 86 cents per song

25:15.020 --> 25:16.700
is actually pretty awesome.

25:16.700 --> 25:19.140
So I think people should chill
out

25:19.140 --> 25:23.460
and not be splitting hairs on
how much money

25:23.500 --> 25:25.780
they're gonna be making from PMN
downloads

25:25.780 --> 25:27.740
because it's all good, isn't it?

25:27.740 --> 25:28.580
It's all good.

25:28.580 --> 25:31.780
And GB, I love it when you send
voice feedback to me.

25:31.780 --> 25:32.980
I love it so much.

25:32.980 --> 25:35.660
Now honestly, who could resist
that?

25:35.660 --> 25:38.220
And he puts up with all my self
promotion too.

25:38.220 --> 25:40.020
Gee, what a swell guy.

25:40.020 --> 25:43.060
And just a few shows later on
DSC 328,

25:43.060 --> 25:44.660
he surprised me yet again.

25:44.660 --> 25:45.860
Justin, I wanna do it today.

25:45.860 --> 25:49.820
Just in case I'm not able to get
out of show

25:49.820 --> 25:51.700
because of travel or whatever.

25:51.700 --> 25:52.780
I'm gonna go see my mom, right?

25:52.780 --> 25:53.860
Told you that.

25:53.860 --> 25:57.260
I want to say a very, very happy
birthday

25:57.260 --> 26:01.260
to my long-distance lover on the
podcast, NGB.

26:01.260 --> 26:06.260
I like the picture you sent.

26:11.460 --> 26:15.460
It's love spirals, love
survives.

26:16.250 --> 27:42.700
[ Music ]

27:42.700 --> 27:49.200
Love's so long, in your mind

27:49.200 --> 27:50.700
It's so long

27:50.700 --> 28:00.700
This kind of reminds me of the
early, early days of the, the
new millennium in Amsterdam with
the chill, trip-hop

28:01.700 --> 28:14.700
Hmm, that's love spirals, love
survives, you can find links to
that song and just about
everything else you hear on the
daily source code at the
PodSafeMusicNetworkmusic.podshow.com

28:14.700 --> 28:23.700
Sweet, but of course the very
best surprise of all was
announced on DSC number 354

28:23.700 --> 28:31.700
And let us continue here on the
Charlie, we have some new
additions to the PodShoe family,
this is one of my girlfriends

28:31.700 --> 28:35.700
Yes, just listen to this voice
man, we'll drive you nuts

28:36.700 --> 28:45.700
The newest member of the podcast
delivery network, there's none
other than me, Angie B, hostess
of the brand new ChillCast

28:45.700 --> 28:56.700
Sit back, relax, let me soothe
you and groove you with the
silky smooth mix of independent
music that's just right for
chilling

28:56.700 --> 29:06.700
From down tempo to deep house,
trip-hop to dream-pop, electro
lounge to old-school jazz,
you're sure to hear something
that really sets a mood for
relaxation

29:06.700 --> 29:10.700
So grab a bottle of wine and
listen with a friend

29:10.700 --> 29:15.700
Come check it out at
ChillCast.podshow.com

29:15.700 --> 29:25.700
Angie B, ladies and gentlemen,
from the love spirals, friend of
the daily source code, now a
PodShoe podcast network member,
the ChillCast

29:25.700 --> 29:29.700
I cranked up episode 4 last
night here in the condo, it was
just great

29:29.700 --> 29:39.700
I can really get into the Chill
vibe, particularly when you have
Angie B with their sultry dulcet
tones rambling through my MM50
speakers

29:39.700 --> 29:41.700
Angie, good to have you aboard

29:42.700 --> 29:46.700
There you have it, that's my
little stroll down memory lane

29:46.700 --> 29:49.700
I hope it was as good for you as
it was for me

29:50.700 --> 29:55.700
PodShoe, the best podcast a man
can get