WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.440 This podcast is brought to you by Pod Show and GoDaddy. 00:06.440 --> 00:09.440 Want killer content with a bad ass domain name? 00:09.440 --> 00:16.880 This show will give you a special code to get great discounts at GoDaddy.com. 00:16.880 --> 00:19.960 Everybody welcome to DevCast Number 2. 00:19.960 --> 00:23.880 It's Adam here at the Curry Cottage, just south of London. 00:23.880 --> 00:28.720 And it's good to see that we've got a couple hundred developers, I presume most of 00:28.720 --> 00:32.000 you are a developer, so we're subscribed to the DevCast. 00:32.000 --> 00:38.640 This podcast will actually contain a golden ticket, so if you receive one and you'll 00:38.640 --> 00:45.280 know and I'll let you know exactly where that will happen, because you of course may not 00:45.280 --> 00:46.280 get one. 00:46.280 --> 00:51.120 But if you two then you're in and we're going to get you up and running and working on 00:51.120 --> 00:54.960 Pod Show Plus and the podcast that we network ASAP. 00:54.960 --> 01:02.080 On the Skype now from Pod Show HQ and San Francisco, Kevin Ostrowski, known as K-O or K-1, 01:02.080 --> 01:03.080 how you doing buddy? 01:03.080 --> 01:04.720 Not too bad, how you been? 01:04.720 --> 01:05.720 We missed you out here. 01:05.720 --> 01:10.240 I miss you guys too, it's been the longest time we've been a part honey. 01:10.240 --> 01:14.680 I know we've been growing, there's some people that have even met you. 01:14.680 --> 01:20.200 I keep seeing the introduction emails, hey, welcome so on, so welcome and I, oh man. 01:20.200 --> 01:24.760 So yeah, do we have enough seats and chairs and tables left? 01:24.760 --> 01:30.040 We've got one extra desk, but they were all just put in last week, so we're running 01:30.040 --> 01:32.320 out quicker than we can to get them. 01:32.320 --> 01:36.680 Oh crap, well if you guys need to use my office, you know where it is, just follow the 01:36.680 --> 01:38.680 smoke trail. 01:38.680 --> 01:41.480 Oh, by the way, happy for 20. 01:41.480 --> 01:43.560 Yeah, happy for 20 back at you, my friend. 01:43.560 --> 01:44.560 That's right. 01:44.560 --> 01:46.560 It's 420 somewhere in the world. 01:46.560 --> 01:51.360 I did, you know, I'm a complete idiot, it is indeed for, well, by the time this air 01:51.360 --> 01:57.520 is probably will be 421, but the all developers know that or is it only the developers 01:57.520 --> 01:59.520 who smoke, who understand that? 01:59.520 --> 02:03.840 I think it's a pretty common for the common, so Kevin, why don't you give us a little 02:03.840 --> 02:07.920 bit of background about yourself, and because I don't think we've really talked about that 02:07.920 --> 02:14.520 a lot, you know, where you were before Pod Show and why the heck you joined this band 02:14.520 --> 02:16.520 of freaks? 02:16.520 --> 02:22.440 Well, I used to work at a company called Signature Network, which is the leading music 02:22.440 --> 02:29.000 merchandising company on the web, core business that I was selling t-shirts, around the 02:29.000 --> 02:36.080 online side of that developed a fan club system that is used to this day still on youtube.com, 02:36.080 --> 02:41.320 kiss online, we did a site from Adana, Britney Spears, all these pop stars that I don't 02:41.320 --> 02:42.320 really care for. 02:42.320 --> 02:44.520 Yeah, all your type of music, right? 02:44.520 --> 02:46.000 It's right up your alley. 02:46.000 --> 02:47.000 It's all rocking out. 02:47.000 --> 02:49.440 Did you meet any of them? 02:49.440 --> 02:50.440 No. 02:50.440 --> 02:53.120 The only person I met was Sammy Hager, which was actually kind of cool. 02:53.120 --> 02:54.120 He's pretty cool. 02:54.120 --> 02:55.120 I've met him a couple. 02:55.120 --> 02:56.120 He's a good guy. 02:56.120 --> 02:57.120 Yeah, he seems all right. 02:57.120 --> 03:03.600 In fact, he was the guy that convinced me I should go work for MTV, I met him over in Holland 03:03.600 --> 03:07.120 and I said, yeah, MTV called me and said, oh dude, you should totally do that, that's right. 03:07.120 --> 03:09.440 And this of course was early 80s, right? 03:09.440 --> 03:15.320 So when MTV was still playing music, it's still cool, so right on. 03:15.320 --> 03:18.080 So you were doing that, how did we find you? 03:18.080 --> 03:19.080 Did you find us? 03:19.080 --> 03:20.080 I can't really remember. 03:20.080 --> 03:25.840 Oh, I was recommended by one of my old bosses at Signatures to come on over and work 03:25.840 --> 03:29.760 here and you guys gave me an offer I couldn't refuse here. 03:29.760 --> 03:30.760 Who was that person? 03:30.760 --> 03:31.760 I got to go thank you. 03:31.760 --> 03:32.760 I got to go thank you. 03:32.760 --> 03:33.760 John Bellistery? 03:33.760 --> 03:34.760 I think you know. 03:34.760 --> 03:36.760 Yeah, yeah, of course. 03:36.760 --> 03:37.760 Oh, all right. 03:37.760 --> 03:38.760 No, I don't know. 03:38.760 --> 03:39.760 I don't know. 03:39.760 --> 03:40.760 I understand the connection. 03:40.760 --> 03:48.760 It was funny, we had like a Friday celebration, our food bar Friday and it was really cool 03:48.760 --> 03:54.640 because I was dialed in through the eye chat, so I could see what was going on. 03:54.640 --> 03:59.880 And we brought up a picture of the very first, you know, early days when we were right 03:59.880 --> 04:06.520 in South Park on when we really had the official podcast, Ali Office, where the homeless 04:06.520 --> 04:09.080 people were pooping in the back in the alley there. 04:09.400 --> 04:10.400 The good old days. 04:10.400 --> 04:15.720 And you know, when we started out, and I think we, I talked about this on daily source 04:15.720 --> 04:22.080 code not too long ago, we really were planning to do something of a much smaller scale 04:22.080 --> 04:23.080 I think. 04:23.080 --> 04:24.400 Was that your impression when we started? 04:24.400 --> 04:29.440 Yeah, maybe originally we were going to just kind of make podcasts and easier for 04:29.440 --> 04:34.880 podcasts, and it's really been snowballing ever since then. 04:34.880 --> 04:40.400 And so from just, well, just, well, from making something for podcasters and making podcasting 04:40.400 --> 04:45.400 really simple, we've actually turned a lot of our attention towards the audience. 04:45.400 --> 04:51.560 Yeah, we're really gearing stuff up for the listeners themselves, letting people connect 04:51.560 --> 04:56.960 with other people, letting them connect with the podcasters and eventually artists. 04:56.960 --> 04:59.320 So come a long way, the few months. 04:59.320 --> 05:04.640 Now how long have we actually been, because you're really, I would have to say, you 05:04.640 --> 05:09.640 know, the core of all of this development of our social media network and all these, and 05:09.640 --> 05:12.880 really bringing all these pieces together, what have we, how long have we been working 05:12.880 --> 05:13.880 on this now? 05:13.880 --> 05:14.880 Eight nine months. 05:14.880 --> 05:15.880 Uh, back. 05:15.880 --> 05:16.880 That's September. 05:16.880 --> 05:17.880 So, dude. 05:17.880 --> 05:18.880 Yeah. 05:18.880 --> 05:19.880 Yeah. 05:19.880 --> 05:21.520 So, uh, are we ready to release yet, Kevin? 05:21.520 --> 05:22.520 Okay. 05:22.520 --> 05:23.520 Can we get this? 05:23.520 --> 05:24.520 I'm ready. 05:24.520 --> 05:28.440 I'm ready to push the button any time I get the okay, so we're getting really closely. 05:28.440 --> 05:29.440 Yeah. 05:29.440 --> 05:30.440 Yeah. 05:30.440 --> 05:31.440 A few months to look forward to. 05:31.440 --> 05:33.440 How many builds are we doing a day now? 05:33.440 --> 05:34.440 Ah, a few. 05:34.440 --> 05:37.520 Once or twice a day, I'll push up some stuff. 05:37.520 --> 05:45.880 So, so yesterday we talked with, uh, with Andrew Grummit, uh, a little bit about, uh, the developers 05:45.880 --> 05:50.960 program that we'll have going on, and, but you really kind of blew us away, you know, 05:50.960 --> 05:56.160 early on with the whole concept of the modules, uh, in podshow plus, which is, uh, something 05:56.160 --> 05:58.680 that's going to be complete, audience controlled. 05:58.680 --> 06:03.320 So, uh, what, why don't you, uh, tell us a bit about the modules and some of the stuff 06:03.320 --> 06:08.040 that the developers will be, uh, be able to work on first, the stuff that you would work 06:08.040 --> 06:10.280 on because, you know, it really is your brain child. 06:10.280 --> 06:15.240 Oh, the way that the modules basically work are, they're just little widgets, so to speak, 06:15.240 --> 06:20.720 that, uh, let you put in whatever code you'd like, and, uh, people can add them to their 06:20.720 --> 06:25.400 profile page, they can move around, they can add more modules, they can remove their modules, 06:25.400 --> 06:31.400 they can, you know, change the color of the page, kind of, give the actual users complete 06:31.400 --> 06:36.200 control over how they want to develop their own, their own profile page, uh, and this applies 06:36.200 --> 06:43.880 to both shows and to the listeners themselves, um, so, while there is a ton of, uh, podshow 06:43.880 --> 06:47.960 exclusive modules that tap into, you know, the different features of the pdn and podshow 06:47.960 --> 06:53.240 plus, um, there's also third party modules, uh, like, for instance, uh, bringing in your flicker 06:53.320 --> 06:58.440 pictures, uh, bringing in your delicious links, uh, weather modules, all kinds of third party 06:58.440 --> 07:04.040 stuff that are just, uh, let you customize and really make your site, what you want it to be. 07:04.040 --> 07:08.520 Now, these, um, you said something interesting there because we, we do have a lot of APIs, 07:08.520 --> 07:14.360 which will be publishing and all kinds of stuff that ties in, you know, um, you know, one ties into 07:14.360 --> 07:18.040 the other, of course, we actually have a whole entity out there, the pod save music network 07:18.040 --> 07:24.120 going to be tying that in as well. Um, will developers be able to, uh, work on some of that stuff 07:24.120 --> 07:28.680 as well, or, you know, will it, will it be a place where they can, uh, ideate and, and work on ideas 07:28.680 --> 07:36.440 of, of integration of existing podshow stuff? That's definitely planned. Uh, this first SDK release 07:36.440 --> 07:44.760 is, uh, really limited to third party, uh, applications and bringing in content, uh, but I'm definitely 07:44.760 --> 07:49.320 planning on opening up some of the, the core functionality of the PDN, letting people get in there 07:49.320 --> 07:55.400 and do stuff with our show data, our user data, um, and really, you know, actually extend 07:55.400 --> 08:02.280 podshow plus, uh, completely. Excellent. Hold on, hold on a second, Kevin. Oh, oh my gosh. Oh, 08:02.280 --> 08:09.800 that, uh, up. I just saw a golden ticket swoosh by saw a couple of them go. So, if you didn't 08:09.880 --> 08:15.880 hear about 30 seconds of me telling you how to get in, then you didn't win. I'm sorry. 08:18.680 --> 08:23.480 Ah, some lucky developers are already registering as we speak. So, um, 08:26.040 --> 08:30.760 what is your involvement going to be in, um, in, in this process, Kevin, uh, you know, 08:30.760 --> 08:36.280 Andrew's really going to be managing, I think, a lot of the, um, the, uh, the source for 08:36.440 --> 08:41.800 project, whatever we're going to use for it. Now, I see tons of comments on, uh, the dev cast, uh, 08:43.000 --> 08:47.400 show site. What, what are you going to be doing? And will you be accessible to the, to developers 08:47.400 --> 08:52.440 who have questions? Uh, I definitely will be, uh, you can reach me at Kevin at podshow.com. If you have 08:52.440 --> 08:59.000 any specific technical questions, uh, I'm really the guy that is behind the SDK and the code in the, 08:59.560 --> 09:05.720 in podshow plus. So, I'd be the best person to contact on that. Um, my time's pretty limited. So, 09:05.720 --> 09:10.600 I can't guarantee I'll get back here right away, but I definitely welcome feedback questions, 09:10.600 --> 09:15.320 comments. Uh, you can cost me out if you want to. That's all cool with me. Oh, excellent way. 09:15.320 --> 09:21.720 That was Kevin at podshow. I said, right that down for the cursing. Uh, so who else, um, 09:21.720 --> 09:25.960 of the dev team should we have next up in the dev cast? I mean, there's so, so many different 09:25.960 --> 09:30.520 moving, you know, parts to this that, you know, and as you said, there's even employees that I haven't 09:30.520 --> 09:35.240 met yet in the time that I've been back in, uh, in the UK, who, who should we have on next and 09:35.240 --> 09:40.360 how will that pertain to the, uh, to the developers who are coming in? Wow, that's a, that's a 09:40.360 --> 09:46.120 tough one. Yeah, everybody's doing such cool stuff. Um, you know, we have, uh, saw who's really 09:46.120 --> 09:52.280 gearing up our search technologies, uh, letting, letting us expand beyond, uh, you know, normal, 09:52.280 --> 09:58.680 PHP, my sequel, text indexing, uh, brought in a, uh, new guy Kurt, who's just really been kicking 09:58.680 --> 10:05.400 some ass on, uh, on a lyrics system. Um, we brought a, a Gavin from a, from tag.com. He's, 10:05.400 --> 10:10.360 Oh, Gavin? Gavin's Gavin's in? Oh, that's cool. Yes, Gavin is in. He's been here for a couple 10:10.360 --> 10:15.640 weeks now. Oh, shit. No, I know, because I personally, uh, and, you know, I call them a couple times, 10:15.640 --> 10:20.120 uh, trying to convince him to come and work for us, and I think he, he, like, lost his cell phone or 10:20.120 --> 10:24.520 something. I was really bombed, and then, you know, just as I was leaving, we got, we got, we got in touch 10:24.520 --> 10:29.240 again. So he's in. That's fantastic. Good. Okay. He's, he's working on our back and admin stuff, 10:29.240 --> 10:33.800 which is going to be really cool. Give us a lot of flexibility and control. So I'm, 10:33.800 --> 10:38.520 there's, there's all kinds of people here that you, you should be talking to, not just me. 10:38.520 --> 10:44.440 How about, how about Erin? I, I'd love to talk to Erin because she's, she, she is so trippy, man. I love, 10:44.440 --> 10:50.280 I love it. I love what she's doing. She's, she's great. She's, uh, definitely a trip to work with, 10:50.280 --> 10:57.320 but, uh, man, she's a smarker. And she's, uh, our, our DBA, or she's our DBA, and she's also heads up 10:57.320 --> 11:04.040 our, um, IT department, essentially, uh, but really focusing on the DBA work and working with a 11:04.040 --> 11:08.280 rack space, our managed hosting solution to make sure our servers are off and running. 11:09.080 --> 11:13.160 Excellent. And, uh, and doing a good job, except, uh, there's a little hiccup last night on the 11:13.160 --> 11:18.840 PMN. Yeah. What, uh, I got, like, ton of emails this morning. Oh, man, something's gone wrong. 11:18.840 --> 11:22.440 I can't, and I'll tell you, I was about to do my show and really bummed me out. I'm like, 11:22.440 --> 11:26.600 I can't, I can't get any songs. It was really, it was horrible. It was like, 11:26.600 --> 11:29.960 but some wiki got set up and it bogged everything down or something like that. 11:31.240 --> 11:36.840 Um, it was a combination of that. And I think there's a patch applied to a patchy, that didn't 11:36.840 --> 11:42.760 take so well, so we've rolled everything back and things should be good now. So I apologize to all 11:42.760 --> 11:46.760 the people that needed to get to it. No, I think everyone understands. And, you know, but it's, 11:46.760 --> 11:51.160 I hope there's also a couple of, you know, maybe non-developers who are listening because now you 11:51.160 --> 11:56.600 really start to understand how much work goes into doing this. You know, when, when you hear how 11:56.600 --> 12:01.160 many people are on it and all the different issues. And of course, we're, we're actually scaling 12:01.160 --> 12:05.800 internally pretty quickly, you know, just on podshow plus and the pdm, we've got a lot of shows. 12:05.800 --> 12:11.240 We've got a lot of users in there. Of course, you know, all of our, um, uh, a lot of the podcasters 12:11.320 --> 12:17.400 that we, that we met at the portable media expo, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's really kind of growing 12:17.400 --> 12:23.080 all in, uh, simultaneously. Yeah, definitely. I'm Richard's been doing a great job of bringing 12:23.080 --> 12:29.160 in some good quality shows. Um, and I see the, I see the sign-up emails coming by my inbox 12:29.160 --> 12:34.600 almost daily if us bringing in these shows and letting them actually use the tools and, you know, 12:34.600 --> 12:39.560 put it out into their feed currently, uh, I'd like to turn it on. So, you know, people could start 12:39.640 --> 12:45.160 using the podshow plus feeds, but I mean, it's great to see people actually using parts of it. 12:45.160 --> 12:51.560 That's a lot of good feedback. That's a question I actually had is, um, will, will be able to 12:51.560 --> 12:57.240 selectively turn on some of the show sites before everything is, is publicly available? 12:58.600 --> 13:04.920 Um, not necessarily entire show site, but, um, we could start slowly exposed the, you know, the 13:05.080 --> 13:12.120 XML, uh, start with that, and then maybe just open up the listener side without, you know, 13:12.120 --> 13:16.760 it's up the registrations. I mean, there's a lot of stuff we can do to kind of slowly ramp up 13:16.760 --> 13:21.160 and get people in there and isn't it? But, uh, you know, opening the floodgates is an out of the 13:21.160 --> 13:27.800 question either. So, uh, as he throws down the gauntlet, I love it. I love it. All right, dude, 13:27.800 --> 13:32.200 well, listen, I don't want to keep you too much longer. Um, I'm going to get in touch with, uh, 13:32.280 --> 13:35.480 I just saw a mail coming from Andrew, so I guess we can get this when I'll set up for those 13:35.480 --> 13:42.760 golden tickets that just flew by. And, um, um, maybe just to tell, uh, tell, if you don't mind 13:42.760 --> 13:47.320 tell Aaron that I'd love to talk with her tomorrow, if she has time, just to get your insights into 13:47.320 --> 13:50.680 what she's been doing, because that database stuff. That's like, that's art, man. That's not 13:50.680 --> 13:57.080 science. That's fucking art. No, that is an art form. But, uh, guys, go over real quick what this 13:57.080 --> 14:03.400 SDK is going to, yes, please. So, yeah, let people know what they expect. Um, and basically, 14:03.400 --> 14:09.720 it's just a lightweight framework. Um, we'll be providing a first that, you know, we'll just 14:09.720 --> 14:14.200 basically let people say preference data to start. So, you know, it's, it's really small lightweight. 14:14.200 --> 14:20.600 You get a single class with some helper functions. Um, we do use the script calculus, uh, 14:20.600 --> 14:26.680 JavaScript framework, so Ajax all over the place is cool with us. Um, and since this is 14:27.240 --> 14:33.080 really just, uh, PHP, straight PHP coding, um, you know, all of our modules are going to have to be 14:33.080 --> 14:39.640 reviewed and analyzed and make sure that nobody's trying to hack into us kind of thing. But, um, 14:39.640 --> 14:44.840 I mean, I've been trying for months. What are you talking about? It's really, it's really flexible. 14:44.840 --> 14:52.120 I mean, it's really just a blank slate for people to, to create on, um, you know, the actual SDK itself 14:52.120 --> 14:56.680 will provide you with starting points, um, you know, you enter your module name. It'll create 14:56.680 --> 15:01.000 based off of a base template to get you started. So, you don't have to reinvent the wheel there. 15:01.560 --> 15:06.920 But then it's really up to the, the developer. And this time goes on, we'll be adding, you know, 15:06.920 --> 15:11.320 supporting classes to let you tap into our shows and our, and our users. So, 15:11.960 --> 15:16.840 look forward for some really cool stuff. And, uh, you know, you'll have lots of control over 15:16.920 --> 15:23.560 what your module stays. So, so, you said, you only mentioned PHP. Does that mean that if I have 15:23.560 --> 15:28.600 even, uh, a working knowledge of PHP that I can participate and I can try and create a module, 15:28.600 --> 15:32.120 is it something that will eventually, you know, that anyone can do this if they, you're like, 15:32.120 --> 15:37.800 on my space, right? They've, you know, my daughter is now hacking up HTML, um, yeah, and, and she's 15:37.800 --> 15:43.080 figured out how to change something so she can hide her comments. Yeah, it's pretty basic stuff. 15:43.080 --> 15:46.440 But, I mean, will we get to the point where it, where, you know, even someone like that, 15:46.440 --> 15:51.640 can, can create a module? Absolutely. I mean, you can make a module that's just a simple 15:51.640 --> 15:56.200 hello world module, or you can build a full application. It's really what your work knowledge 15:56.200 --> 16:01.400 is. On the other side, that's time goes on. We'll be releasing a client-side SDK as well. 16:01.400 --> 16:07.960 That'll let developers use, you know, just JavaScript, uh, XML, and, uh, it's a VHDML. 16:07.960 --> 16:12.040 And, and that will be instant, you know, you'll be able to just basically send a module 16:12.040 --> 16:16.600 to the developer friend and have them install it. But that's, that's some time out, um, as, you 16:16.600 --> 16:21.640 know, we prep up for launch. I've got, uh, lots of other things to worry about. Yeah, I hear you. 16:21.640 --> 16:28.360 Right here. Busy, busy, busy, busy, right? I'll code no sleep. That's my model. Yeah, I'm sending 16:28.360 --> 16:34.360 some mountain do your way. Sweet. All right, Kevin. Dude, cool. All right, thank you very much. 16:34.360 --> 16:39.000 And, uh, we'll check in sometime next week and, uh, just, see how's everything's going on. 16:39.000 --> 16:43.320 Keep these, these dev cast relatively short. So I'm going to take too much of any one's time. 16:43.320 --> 16:48.920 And, uh, say hi to everyone at, uh, at HQ for me. I will. I'll tell Aaron to expect a call for me. 16:48.920 --> 16:53.000 All right. Yes. So, uh, around the same time tomorrow. Sounds good. All right, buddy. Thanks, 16:53.000 --> 16:58.840 like, Kevin. Take it easy. Okay, but bye, bye, bye. There you go. Get this podcast and more great ones 16:58.840 --> 17:03.880 like it on the high performance podcast delivery network from Pod Show and Lime Light Networks.