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Well, hey, everybody. How are
you doing?

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It's time for devcast number
five.

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And, well, it's going to be a
pretty special one

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because we've got a lot of
things to talk about.

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I'm here at the cottage in
Guilford.

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UK time. It is Friday night.

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And I'm just giving up a little
bit of my Friday night,

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but all the way on the other
side of the globe,

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we've got two guys who are
giving up their Fubar Friday,

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which has it already started?

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Are people already drinking
there in San Francisco?

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I see a couple people appear, so
I'm getting thirsty.

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It keeps starting earlier and
earlier.

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Have you noticed that?

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I kind of encourage it.

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So we've got Kevin and Andrew at
PodShow HQ.

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How's it going, guys?

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Going good.

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Doing great.

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I got to tell you, I can't wait
to be out there next week

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to see you guys again. I need
some hugs.

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It's been a while, hasn't it?

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Hey, G, Andrew.

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Let me step aside for the
enthusiasm, okay?

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Just listening up here for the
live audio, that's all.

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Okay, yeah. No, don't worry
about it.

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So it's been a pretty
interesting couple of devcasts
that we've had,

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and we actually had a couple of
hiccups,

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not with the cast or necessarily
with us,

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but being able to get everything
up and running on the schedule

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that we had anticipated for the
developers coming into PodShow
Plus

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and the PDN and into the
developer program.

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A lot of it had to do with the
setup of, I guess, our CVS,

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or Andrew, you want to take that
and just tell me what happened
there?

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Sure.

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So we wanted to get our code
into a form that was easily
downloadable

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and any contributions also
easily downloadable.

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We wanted a place to do all the
documentation,

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and we decided to go with
SourceForge to set that up.

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The SDK, we're happy to make
that open source

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and I hope any of the
contributions back will be open
source as well.

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And SourceForge just seemed like
the right place to do it.

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So what we did was, Kevin, I
think,

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actually put in the request for
the project,

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and then we went on to the 50
other things we had to do,

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and a day went by in two days
and three.

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It was one of those things where
we could set it up ourselves,

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but we thought it would just be
much better to get it out there

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and kind of in the community
spirit.

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And so, I don't know, after,
what was it,

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like a week or more of this?

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We decided, okay.

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Yeah, we just decided, hey,
we're going to set it up
ourselves.

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Screw it.

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What happened?

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I mean, SourceForge, isn't that,

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anyone can just set up a project
there, can't you?

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Yeah, in fact, usually it's two
business days turned around

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and we even logged a ticket.

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And then I got an email notice
actually right after logging the
ticket

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explaining that they had a
meltdown in their infrastructure

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with their CVS.

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My guess is things just got
backed up.

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But yeah, we went and actually
got our own subversion set up

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and tracked, and I was literally
getting ready to press the
button

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and Kevin Leet looks over at me
across the desk

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and says, hey, guess what? We
got our project.

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SourceForge came through.

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Like banging my head against the
keyboard.

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Oh, no. Oh, no.

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So we just decided, you know
what?

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We're going to run with the
original plan

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and was pretty shortly
thereafter that it's all set up.

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We're actually using a
subversion for our version
control.

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I think actually you've gotten a
listener comment about that

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and certainly our own
colleagues,

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many of whom have exhorted us to
make the leap.

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And so I've been playing with
subversion actually since then

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and pretty pleased with it.

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So that's what we will run the
SDK repository on.

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Kevin, is this the subversion
thing?

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Because I heard the audio
comment, too,

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and I understand, of course,
globally what it's about,

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but is subversion some
incredible leap forward?

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It's like, well, CVS kind of
stopped being developed a long
time ago,

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and subversion is just a more
advanced,

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more current version of version
control.

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So it's got a lot of better
features

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and it handles tagging and
conflicts better

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and just all around easier to
use

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and leads to less stress on the
developers,

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which is always a good thing.

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Are we running all our
development on subversion
currently?

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We're going to be moving to that
post-launch.

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This is actually the tip of the
spear.

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Really, we're leading here.

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Yeah, that's right.

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I just want to say that at any
moment during this podcast

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that you can be issued a golden
ticket,

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which will give you access not
only to...

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Well, actually, it will give you
access to PodShow Plus

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and to the PDN, the podcast
delivery network.

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You can already, though, go and
check out the SDK,

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the Software Developers Kit.

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Is that what it is?

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SDK Software Developers Kit?

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The actual wording we're using

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is PodShow Plus Module SDK.

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Oh, cool.

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Can we add advanced network
analysis language to that?

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Oh, wait a minute.

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Oh, okay, there you go.

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All right, yeah.

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Okay, so the PodShow Plus Module
SDK FAQ,

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tell me about it.

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Okay, so on the
developer.podshow.com site,

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we have an FAQ setup

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which links to the software
download from SourceForge

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and has a growing list of what
you'd expect

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common questions and answers.

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And it will certainly put more
up

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as more email comes in.

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The contact point for all of
this will be

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our Gmail address,
podshowdeveloperatgmail.com,

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and we'll just add to the list
as more questions come in.

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Fantastic.

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Hold on a second, guys. It's
that time.

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Hold on.

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Whoops. Is it happening?

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Is it happening?

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Congratulations. You won a
golden ticket.

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Guys, this is a golden ticket
winner

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which means we got to give out
the information

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on how to get into PodShow Plus.

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Sounds good to me.

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Yeah, it's supposed to be
exciting, the golden ticket,
guys.

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This is the coveted golden
ticket.

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Congratulations.

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I can hear a smattering of
applause there in San Francisco.

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Okay, where does the winner who
is hearing this

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right now in devcast number 5,

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where does the winner go to get
in?

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We know how to get to the SDK.

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How does this person get into
the beta site?

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You want to immediately minimize
all your windows

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and go to pdnbeta.podshow.com.

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You want to stand on one leg.

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You want to praise Murphy.

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You want to knock on wood,
minimize all windows.

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And we're going where?

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pdnbeta.podshow.com.

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So that's Papa Delta, November,
Bravo Echo Tango,

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alpha.podshow.com.

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Okay, pdnbeta.podshow.com.

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You're going to be greeted with
a nice little login box

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and you're going to want to put
in PodShow Dev

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as your username

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and st1ck.1t as your password.

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So that's Sierra Tango, one
Charlie Kilo, decimal one Tango.

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Correct.

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But you want to stay tuned.

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You can minimize some windows,

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but keep listening to the
devcast,

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because we're not quite done
yet.

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And for those of you who didn't
hear anything,

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just in the last second,

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all you heard was like a second
of silence,

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we're sorry.

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Better luck next time, yeah.

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Okay, guys, I guess my question
is,

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have we seen any cool modules

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developed yet?

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Has anyone done anything yet
that is stuck out?

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Wasn't there some Dutch guy

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that was working on some cool
stuff?

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Yeah, Tomas.

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Oh, boy, Adam, I might get this
wrong.

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You have to correct me.

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Tomas Salfishburger.

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Salfishburger.

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Of course, I had one the other
day at Burger King.

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He built a pretty interesting
Google search module.

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Really?

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That's cool.

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Yeah, it's very cool.

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And we're banging around some
ideas

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about where to go with that,

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but it does what you'd expect.

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It basically goes off to Google,

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makes a soap request,

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and puts a bunch of search
results back into the mod,

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you know, back into the window,

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right inside the profile page.

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Cool.

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And yeah, we're trying to think
about

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how to feed that info back into
the system

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in some interesting way.

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So can we get guys like Tomas

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on a future devcast

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and just talk about what their
experiences are

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and what their ideas and their
thoughts,

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would that make sense to do
that?

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Yeah, that'd be an awesome idea.

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Yeah, that'd be great.

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Excellent.

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Excellent.

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What else do we have here, guys?

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Yeah, yeah, feedback stuff.

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I mean, because we're doing a
substantial number

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of golden tickets this time
around,

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so I think you're going to get
quite a deluge.

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How do people send...

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I mean, there's some FAQs,
obviously,

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on the Potchoplus module SDK
FAQ.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we'll just grow that.

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We've got the Gmail account as a
point of contact.

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I'm pretty happy to give,
actually,

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I'm kind of the, I guess, go-to
guy

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in terms of just if you need to
IM somebody.

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You can certainly send me an IM.

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It's AE Grummit on Skype.

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And we've got a bunch of other
IM

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address listed on the developer
side as well.

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I'll try to get back on there
and be available.

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Here's a cool idea for a module.

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Could you make a...

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Maybe you could make a module

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that if you'd like someone's
podcast,

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you could send them Linden
Dollars in Second Life.

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How cool would that be?

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You could tip them.

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You could tip them right there
on Potchoplus.

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Sweet.

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If they have an interface, it's
totally doable.

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Yeah, they got some kind of
XMLRPC thing going on.

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I read in their docs.

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So.

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Alrighty.

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Final question.

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Unless you guys have anything
for me.

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Well, this will be, of course,
the first of...

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First SDK offering.

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And, you know, keep an eye out.

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There will be more as well.

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We're really excited to get this
first one out.

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So, maybe a question for Kevin.

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Now that we're letting in the
substantial amount of
developers,

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how far off are we from a public
beta release?

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Oh, that day changes daily.

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But it's getting close.

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That's all I can say right now.

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Very close.

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Standing on one foot, knocking
on wood here, praising Murphy.

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I'm ready for it.

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I'm very ready for it.

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But please, if you guys are in
there and poking around

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and finding some bugs or have
some good suggestions,

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anything technically you could
send my way

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at kevinatpodshow.com.

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Like I said in the last devcast,

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it's not always easy for me to
get back to you,

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but I've been getting some great
feedback from people

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that have already been in.

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So, hey, and praise is always
good too.

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Nothing better than...

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Send all the negative shit to
me, will ya?

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I'm used to it.

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It's not a problem.

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Also, for the devcast, it would
be kind of cool

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if you're listening right now
and you're thinking,

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hey, maybe I could contribute.

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You can use the voicemail
feedback numbers

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in New Jersey 201-625-6357 or in
London.

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Do we have any UK developers in?

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Have we seen any people from the
UK show up yet?

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Not that I identified themselves
as such.

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Okay.

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Well, if you are in the UK or
anywhere, of course,

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it's just maybe London is a
handier number for you to call.

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020-7681-3753.

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All right, guys.

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Thank you very much for taking
the time.

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And, well, I'm excited because,
you know,

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obviously I don't see a lot of
the developer stuff

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other than what's on the
developer pages

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and I'm not into subversion.

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Well, privately, but not in the
technical space.

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But that's for another show with
Patricia.

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But it is kind of cool to see
all these people show up

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on Pod Show Plus.

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That's kind of cool.

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All new faces and comments and
all kinds of stuff going on.

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So I dig it a lot.

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It's very cool.

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So have yourselves a great Fubar
Friday.

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Say hi to everybody and I'll see
you guys

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in person next week in San
Francisco.

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Sounds good.

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Stuff next weekend.

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Okay, guys.

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Take care.

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Have a great weekend and talk to
you soon.

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All right.

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Bye-bye.

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Later.

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Bye.

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