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Hey everybody, welcome to
Devcast number six coming to you
from San Francisco, California.

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First time we've actually done
the Devcast outside of the
United Kingdom,

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but I feel very, very close now.

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In fact, if I threw a rock, I
could probably hit Andrew
Gromit's head.

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Hey, how you doing, Adam?

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Hey, Andrew. Are you at the
office now?

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I am.

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Well, good morning to you, sir.

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Good morning.

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It is Friday and our Devcast has
been a couple weeks.

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We threw out a bevy, a veritable
cornucopia of golden tickets
last time we did the show.

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How many did we actually hand
out? How many were claimed? Do
you know Andrew offhand?

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It was certainly into the
hundreds.

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Excellent.

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And most of these people are
actually on and signed up and
doing stuff and creating stuff,
right?

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Yeah, that's right.

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And from what I hear from Sue,
there's this continuing trickle
of additional people in.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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You don't mean to say that
people have passed on their
passwords and stuff?

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Oh, phrases, do you think?

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They wouldn't possibly do that.

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Developers aren't like that now,
are they?

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Yeah, they're decent, honest
people.

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So we are getting very close to
our public beta of PodShow Plus
and the podcast delivery
network.

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And of those hundreds of
developers who now in who've
received golden tickets and who
are beta testing and bang in the
system

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and also creating modules for
PodShow Plus and what that
means.

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Well, if you're not a developer
and a listener, you just have to
wait.

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We should do screenshots,
Andrew.

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Hey, that's a great idea.

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I'll throw some up maybe as
follow on posts on the developer
site.

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That'd be cool.

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So what are we seeing?

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What kind of activity have we
seen from the developers on
putting together modules for
PodShow Plus?

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There's been some interesting
ones to come in.

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We've got probably the first one
was Tomas' Google search module.

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And we'll introduce Tomas in a
second.

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We've also seen some modules
that expose presence information
on various instant messaging
networks.

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And that was actually pretty
cool to see.

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But actually, that's actually
part of one of our own modules,
our contact info module.

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Clearly, people are sort of
picking up on what we intended,
which was not just to allow you
to paste in some text,

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but also to do things that are
sort of web aware and sort of
connected to the world out
there.

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Web 2.0, dude.

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Yeah, you know, I was trying to
shy away from that.

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I could hear your brain working.

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He wants to say it, but he's
never going to say it.

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All right, so it would have
been, actually it would have
been even cooler if I was in the
UK,

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because we would have three
continents.

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Not really.

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Well, the UK isn't really a
continent.

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We would have had three land
masses connected together,
coming to us now from...

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Is it Hauda in the Netherlands,
Tomas?

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Yes, it is.

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Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we
have Tomas on Skype.

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It's funny, Andrew, because you
say Tomas, kind of like the
Spanish pronunciation.

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Yeah.

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But it's Tomas.

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I think it's Tomas, or is it
Tomas?

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What is it Tomas, Tomas, Tomas?

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Oh, it's just Tomas.

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Okay, see, I knew it.

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Okay, so I emphasis on the first
syllable there.

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So Tomas is a developer in the
Netherlands.

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Are you a freelance developer?

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Do you work for a company?

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What's your situation?

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I'm a high school student, or
have been for the last six
years.

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And I'm now heading towards a
study at the University of Uweg,
Informatic Computer Science.

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And at the moment, my only work
relation is doing support work,

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but nothing really programming
related.

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So it's more a hobby.

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Okay, so you're a high school
student.

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How old are you, Tomas, if you
don't mind me asking?

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18.

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Okay.

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So you're almost done then with
school.

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That's right, university next
course.

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Just done.

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I heard final years yesterday.

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So you reached out to us, and I
want to hear that story as well
in a second,

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but how did you hear about
podcasting?

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How did you become interested?

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How did you figure out why did
you start listening to the
devcast?

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You want to give a little
background to that, Tomas?

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Yeah, I heard someone on
mainstream radio talk about
podcasting

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and got searching on it,
listening to some Dutch podcast.

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We have quite, well, a show like
company in Netherlands.

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And, well, somewhere or another,
I listened to the DSC, well, for
about a year now.

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And by that, I heard about
devcast and listened to that.

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And that way, you find out
golden tickets.

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And well, that's just how I got
involved.

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So we got an email from Tomas.

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It must have been six weeks ago,
maybe even longer, Andrew.

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I think it was before, was it
for devcast?

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Yeah, it might have been
mid-May.

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Okay.

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And Tomas basically said, hey,
dudes, I can so totally break
your algorithm

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on the golden tickets.

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You may want to try this.

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Wasn't it something like that?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think actually that
maybe a couple hours before we
got the email from him,

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you know, when we released the
golden tickets, so we have all
kinds of logging,

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and I watched what's going on,
and I could see some interesting
stuff going on.

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And I sent a note to Adam, and I
said, hey, I think this guy is
trying to hack us.

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And Tomas, I think you might
remember that there was
something about your IP address.

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I think I reversed DNSed it and
figured out who you are even.

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But then the email came in and I
said, ah, okay, cool.

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It's a friendly hacker.

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Yes, you matched my local mail
server.

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That was it.

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It was your mail server, yeah.

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Ah, you can't escape the wrath
of Grummit.

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My last name is also my domain
name, which is why you find out
pretty quickly.

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Ah, there you go.

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We'll do it every single time.

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Okay, so then we got talking to
Tomas, and he, of course, had
some good suggestions,

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and we got him in on the beta
program, and he's been working
on some stuff.

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You want to tell us what you've
been doing there, Tomas?

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Yeah, well, we were talking
about the SDK on Devcast,

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and getting people to wait for
it, and everybody was crying out
to give me the SDK.

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I was skyping with Andrew, and,
well, one way or another,

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he gave me a pre-release version
of the SDK.

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So, like, well, can you take a
look at it and check on it and
see what might be changed

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or what needs some more
documentation to get other
people to use it.

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And, well, I got playing around
with it,

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and well, I actually found a few
bugs and fixed it.

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And then, well, a few days
before the actual release of the
SDK,

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I wrote a Google module.

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You might have seen it. I don't
know if it's in...

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No, it's not yet in the beta.

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No, it's not in the beta yet.
Why don't you tell us what it
does?

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I mean, I can kind of guess,
obviously.

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Yes, it's quite simple a module.

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You can type in a search phrase
and hit Search,

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and it will do some HX calls and
use the Google API

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to fetch you search results from
Google.

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So, we saw that work and we
liked just the stuff,

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the way that Tomas was thinking.

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And this is what's cool about
the entire Quit Your Day Job
campaign

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that has been ongoing for almost
a year now.

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It's not just for podcasters.

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It's for pod safe music artists.

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It's for people who are creative
in all walks of life.

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And also for developers,
although I'm not sure we're
quite at Quit Your Day Job

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since you don't even have a day
job, really,

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but I was in the meeting, was it
yesterday or the day before?

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And it was like 10 pod show
people, Ron and I were in there.

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And on the phone was Tomas,

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and he was taking us through
this really cool module

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that he's been working on for
us.

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And Andrew, you've been managing
that process?

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Yeah, right.

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So, I don't know how much detail
we want to go into.

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Not too much detail because,
yeah, exactly.

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Oh, sorry, I missed that last
bit.

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No, you don't have to go into
too much detail,

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but just a little bit will be
cool.

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I just say that we were in one
of those great brainstorming
meetings

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and Ron had some ideas and was
drawing back some previous calls

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that we'd been on and wouldn't
be great if we had a module

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that could let us put these
pieces together in this way.

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And I sort of saw it as a nice
extension of the work

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that Tomas had already done.

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And so we said, you know,

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hey, do you want to do some
contracting work for us

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and build something that's going
to go into a product of ours?

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And here we are.

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And foolishly he said yes, yeah,
exactly.

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Well, the timing was actually
perfect

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because I just finished a final
test in school

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and I had a month of nothing to
do.

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Excellent, and how did the final
test go?

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Yeah, I got it yesterday with an
average of 8 out of 10, so
perfectly.

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He is a rocket scientist.
Fantastic.

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So this is just an example of
some of the things that we want
to do,

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particularly in the developer
realm.

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And I have to say, Andrew, you
really pegged it there

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when you said one of those
famous brainstorming meetings.

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Really what's happened is that
on all sides of the equation

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people are learning about each
other's skills and crafts

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and, you know, Ron and I have
learned a lot about,

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oh, just feeds in general.

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I think when Ron really got
feeds,

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a whole world opened up and it's
fun

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because I can see a lot of our
developers

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also really understanding the
business case,

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the creative side for
podcasters.

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And of course, above all,

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really the experience we want to
deliver

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for the audience, for listeners
and for viewers.

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But I think there's lots of
opportunity

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for more stuff, more stuff to be
built

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and probably more contract work.

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Andrew, you see that on the
horizon?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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We're thinking about doing a...

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Again, don't quote me on this.

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We're still thinking it through,

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but just sort of coming up with
a price,

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build us a module and, you know,

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make it the kind of, you know,

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you build more modules and we
pay you more.

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Dude, this is a great company.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so what's next?

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Where do we go from here?

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What else can we tell the
developers

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who are listening?

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What other information can we
pass on?

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One thing that Tom has and I
have been talking about

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was just trying to be more
available

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and present for developers, you
know,

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just essentially reaching out to
people

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a bit more than we have.

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And there's been a lot of, you
know,

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on this side we've been quite
sort of noses down,

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you know, getting ready for the
big release.

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But Tomas had actually expressed
some interest

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in helping us with our
communications efforts.

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So do you want to say anything
about that, Tomas?

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Yeah, basically I was...

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But we were talking about what
other modules

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are written and how much was
done with the SDK

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we have now, the first version.

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And it was actually not really
much

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and people were more waiting for
us

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to appoint something to do or we
don't know.

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But I didn't really see a lot of
activity.

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Well, there's a mailing list
about this SDK

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but nobody uses it.

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So I was thinking like how do we
get

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more people into developing

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and how do we get everybody to
write

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whatever they want and to
customize it.

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And one of the ideas was

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maybe people need some more help

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or they've got questions

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or nobody has any ideas.

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So first of all,

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call to people with great ideas

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but no way to code it.

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Please just send an email to
Andrew

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or post a comment on
developer.botshow.com

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And for all developers with
questions

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we might want to get the mailing
list

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more used so everybody can help
each other

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and we might even end up having

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more modules and cooler ideas.

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You bring up something really
important there

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because I like what you said

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even if you have a cool idea

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and have no idea how to code it

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definitely get on
developer.botshow.com

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and you can find email links
there

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and the mailing list, etc.

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Because that really does work.

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Even if you're just someone who
has a thought

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I think those ideas are really
welcome

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and that's really the underlying
theme of all this

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is that when we get to work
together

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we can come up with some really
cool stuff,

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some cool products.

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Yeah, basically we should just

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build our own development
community

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and get more and more people
involved

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to accomplish more.

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Excellent. Andrew, anything to
add to that?

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Not right now.

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You're doing your email, aren't
you?

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Or are you downloading porn
again?

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It's a porn.

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All right, guys.

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Well then let's wrap this up

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just about our 15 minutes for
the devcast.

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Perfect. Thank you both very
much.

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Tomas, great to have you on
board.

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Great to be working with you.

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I look forward to more cool
stuff

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and also working with you

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on building up the community

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and I think it's going to be a
lot of fun.

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OK.

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And Andrew?

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Yo.

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I'll see you in a couple of
minutes.

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Excellent. Looking forward to
it.

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I'm sorry, was there something
else, Andrew?

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Oh, no, no. I'm good.

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OK. All right, guys.

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Thank you all very much. Have a
great weekend, everybody.

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So much for devcast number six.

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We'll be back soon.

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Just before release I would
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