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Code 03:45.480 --> 03:50.680 northern california last time for this trip panic at the disco the only difference between 03:50.680 --> 03:57.240 martyrdom and suicide is press coverage and ain't that the truth it's on the pod say music 03:57.240 --> 04:02.360 network brand new upload from uh panic at the disco great to have those guys on pmn hey everybody 04:02.360 --> 04:07.480 it's beautiful in the city but as I look out over uh over the hills i see nothing but fog i'm not 04:07.480 --> 04:12.600 quite sure if it's coming towards me or going away uh there's a lot of wind and now we've got 04:12.600 --> 04:17.640 a really funky climate uh here's San Francisco you know with what comes out you know from the sea 04:17.640 --> 04:22.040 and from the valleys and the hills and the mountains and the who i don't know how it works everyone 04:22.040 --> 04:26.760 here seems to know i don't but man it's been beautiful it's been like eighty ninety degrees in 04:26.760 --> 04:35.000 San Francisco it's just been fantastic and it's time for me to head back home uh yes i can't wait 04:36.200 --> 04:41.720 for a number of reasons some of them you can guess right away but i really also besides just missing 04:41.800 --> 04:48.280 my girls just because they're my girls i miss Patricia on the show i really do i need someone 04:48.280 --> 04:52.920 else to bounce off of and talk to once in a while and just knowing that she's next door in the bedroom 04:55.560 --> 04:59.800 doing her makeup in the morning when uh when i'm doing the show is enough to know that she could 04:59.800 --> 05:06.600 walk it at any time and correct me for my miss assumptions in life so we've got a really full show 05:06.680 --> 05:12.200 today um when i woke up this morning quarter six is usual i had twenty two voicemails i don't 05:12.200 --> 05:16.920 know what happened all of sudden you guys turn on to the voicemail system and some good feedback 05:16.920 --> 05:22.440 comments so we'll get to all of those and i've got to kind of keep it moving today because at nine 05:22.440 --> 05:27.960 thirty rosy from the office is coming to pick me up i have to go to DMV that's right figured 05:27.960 --> 05:32.280 what we're fixing Trinity will fix everything else um there's been really you know i think the car 05:32.360 --> 05:38.040 was in Ron's name because i can't register it here because i don't have a California driver's license 05:38.040 --> 05:43.320 and they say well uh you can just take the test and i don't want to take no driving test again 05:43.320 --> 05:51.160 that'll suck severely i'm sure i could pass it but um so we sent away to New Jersey and 05:51.160 --> 05:56.040 New Jersey said hey no problem we have a copy of your old license which of course had been expired 05:56.040 --> 06:00.840 for many many years that's since we've been away uh i shouldn't i shouldn't let those things 06:00.840 --> 06:04.680 expire that's just handy to have man so i i have no idea what it's going to be like at the 06:04.680 --> 06:12.200 the California DMV here in San Francisco but we should find out and uh let's see let's get all the 06:12.200 --> 06:16.520 soccer stuff out of the way right off the bat because um we have some things to clear up about well 06:16.520 --> 06:22.760 about the name soccer first of all hey Adam it's Dave the guy who left you that yeah woo woo woo 06:23.400 --> 06:28.680 message on your answering machine you didn't get it it was a hockey reference you said on Wednesday's 06:28.760 --> 06:33.560 Charlie i think was the only person in America interested in hockey what went wrong there how 06:33.560 --> 06:39.400 can we don't care about hockey in the US hey there's one place in America that still cares about hockey 06:39.400 --> 06:46.360 North Carolina home to yours Stanley Cup champion Carolina Hurricanes yes Canada 06:46.360 --> 06:53.720 Rally North Carolina is a hockey town except it and move on anyway on this whole soccer versus 06:53.720 --> 06:58.440 football thread you said on Tuesday's Charlie yeah what should we do we have to call it soccer 06:59.640 --> 07:03.240 I guess we have to i'm just gonna keep saying football you'll know what i mean well if you want to 07:03.240 --> 07:10.040 avoid all confusion why don't you call it by its full name association football see back in the 07:10.040 --> 07:14.840 19th century all these English public schools form their football clubs but each school played by different 07:14.840 --> 07:19.800 rules some schools kicked the ball some schools picked up the ball and ran with it Cambridge school 07:19.880 --> 07:26.120 for example played a soccer style kicking game with a fair catch rule you could catch the ball 07:26.120 --> 07:31.720 market and get a free kick from that spot they still do that in australian and gaelic football actually 07:31.720 --> 07:41.560 but i digress in october of 1863 the first meeting of the ball was held and all these clubs got 07:41.560 --> 07:48.600 together and decided they wanted to play by one specific set of rules and that set of rules became known 07:48.680 --> 07:54.520 as association football and some players abbreviated it to soccer in the 1880s 07:54.520 --> 08:01.000 to help differentiate association football from rugby football okay so how do i get soccer 08:01.000 --> 08:07.480 from association football that the the the source i got that source so sock but then what is the 08:07.480 --> 08:11.720 curve come from that's what i'm that's what i'm missing i i totally take you word for but i'm 08:11.720 --> 08:17.400 where's the curve they uh got rid of the fair catch rule too so there you have it the origins of the 08:17.480 --> 08:22.440 word soccer by the way i happen to have a lot of this useless football trivia floating in my brain 08:22.440 --> 08:27.400 so if you ever need any more history lessons about football you just let me know in the mean time 08:27.400 --> 08:32.840 for the latest in american football check out days football blog dot com and if you'd rather play 08:32.840 --> 08:39.640 Canadian football hey for twenty they appreciate it dude i this is the comment that got missed 08:39.640 --> 08:45.800 up the other day and uh i was my fault i guess somehow i'd uh downloaded only half of it and 08:45.880 --> 08:50.520 loaded into cast blasts and it blew up so i still not quite sure where the curve comes from but 08:50.520 --> 08:56.520 that is a very good uh background on on on on the rules and how we split up into all these different 08:56.520 --> 09:00.920 types of football i'm just gonna keep it at football though if you don't mind because that to me 09:01.720 --> 09:08.920 is the real name and if you're wondering why uh football has been so slow to catch on in the u.s 09:08.920 --> 09:14.600 we had a big conversation about this yesterday at the office my theory is fairly simple the game 09:14.600 --> 09:19.560 does not lend itself to commercial television you know you they play for forty five minutes at 09:19.560 --> 09:25.000 minimum there's no uh look how many sports do we have now that have a television time outs 09:26.600 --> 09:29.640 excuse me since sao this and sao moan brought to you by 09:32.200 --> 09:34.360 open source sex with violet blue 09:36.600 --> 09:40.920 there's more about soccer for you hey Adam it stays here from ragging sorry just on the road 09:41.880 --> 09:47.000 suburb of gulfed got a couple of points for you um about soccer and about snake bite 09:47.000 --> 09:53.560 first of all soccer um the word derives from association football so there you go there's the answer 09:53.560 --> 09:58.840 that one and regarding snake bite my wife Rachel asked me to let you know that in in 09:58.840 --> 10:03.320 Surrey and West Sussex snake bite was banned when she was at school made illegal when she was at school 10:04.200 --> 10:08.600 because the kids were drinking 10 or 11 points of this nectar at a time 10:08.920 --> 10:14.600 it goes to a lemon and also you need to drink if you're drinking snake bite the classic is 10:14.600 --> 10:20.040 snake bite and black which is snake bite and black current which destroys your brain 10:20.040 --> 10:24.840 and leaves you with a purple moustache in the morning so you're good anyway date signing off 10:24.840 --> 10:29.960 yeah I've done other things that have destroyed my brain and left you with a purple moustache in the 10:29.960 --> 10:37.640 morning my friend you can find our web development company shameless plug at www.projectcommer.co.uk 10:38.200 --> 10:43.560 cheers peace of mind bye bye yeah dude appreciate it okay so I don't know if it's still banned in 10:43.560 --> 10:47.640 gulfed and by the way why does your wife Rachel know so much about it huh 10:48.680 --> 10:53.240 as she a party girl do you think she's still parties which you'd like to get some snake 10:53.240 --> 10:58.680 bite and black with the pod father right down the road hi and this is Phil one half of the 10:58.680 --> 11:04.840 soccer show podcast available from soccershout.com once again he's a quick world cup update 11:05.000 --> 11:09.560 there's some superb games over the last few days let's start with the U.S. when Demsy last 11:09.560 --> 11:12.840 up all into the back of the net I thought the U.S. would go on and win but their second half of 11:12.840 --> 11:18.040 formus was just unacceptable of the calls for these three games that just didn't do enough to 11:18.040 --> 11:22.280 justify moving on to the next round they definitely got some bad calls against them particularly 11:22.280 --> 11:27.000 in the match against Ghana but to be honest they weren't worth it and it's good to see at least 11:27.000 --> 11:31.000 one African team move through to the next round yeah I'd let's not say they weren't worth it 11:31.880 --> 11:35.560 but it was a start yeah this was the first time I've seen so much excitement for 11:36.520 --> 11:43.160 excuse me for football in the United States of course it worked out very well 11:44.360 --> 11:48.760 with the timing because if it was in prime time would have been a huge problem as I just mentioned 11:48.760 --> 11:55.720 with the commercials and thank goodness for ESPN too and other stations like that who carried the 11:55.720 --> 12:00.920 games it all the Spanish stations who carried the games so I'm just really happy and proud of 12:00.920 --> 12:07.400 our guys they you know they next next next competition they'll do even better because now they've 12:07.400 --> 12:12.200 got the fans behind them I also thought Australia vs Croatia was a great game crazy refereeing 12:12.200 --> 12:17.160 committed play and some good goals and one of my favorite teams Australia moving on the next round 12:17.160 --> 12:21.160 as well I had to look forward to Holland vs Argentina but they pretty much cancel each other out 12:21.160 --> 12:24.280 it was a bit of a disappointing game I forgot to build up but I think they were just saving 12:24.280 --> 12:29.720 themselves for the next round the second round starts the side day is eight games four days 12:29.800 --> 12:34.840 single elimination with overtime and penalty kicks every quiet to quickly run through the lineups 12:34.840 --> 12:40.920 on Saturday we have Germany vs Sweden and Argentina vs Mexico Sunday we have England vs Ecuador 12:40.920 --> 12:47.560 in Portugal vs Holland a Monday we have Italy vs Australia and probably Ukraine vs 12:47.560 --> 12:51.960 and I say South Korea those games haven't been played yet to decide he's gonna be in that game 12:51.960 --> 12:57.560 and on Tuesday we have Brazil vs Ghana and I think it's gonna be Spain vs France to finish off 12:57.560 --> 13:02.840 the line up there my pick of the weekend is the game the sun sunday three p.m. eastern on ESPN 13:02.840 --> 13:08.040 that's Portugal vs Holland Tuesday I think is gonna be two great games Brazil vs Ghana 13:08.040 --> 13:13.880 and what I expect to be France vs Spain over at the soccer show podcast Tony and I are hitting 13:13.880 --> 13:19.080 foam just at the right time so for a daily 20 minute two blocks in a pub style podcast about the 13:19.080 --> 13:25.000 world cup check it out soccer show dot com this concludes our soccer moments on daily source code 13:25.000 --> 13:31.640 410 only 10 more till 420 what are we gonna do then get your audio comments in quick 13:31.640 --> 13:36.520 and your audio productions please yes today I told you that we're gonna have big news 13:36.520 --> 13:44.520 regarding second life on today's show at 12 o'clock SLT which is the same as Pacific Coast 13:44.520 --> 13:53.400 time PST Pacific's so-st to time we open up the pod show island that's right been working 13:53.480 --> 13:58.040 very very hard now of course you know that we've had parties every single day people have been 13:58.040 --> 14:04.840 hanging out yesterday we had was the blue the blue party at the at the brothel what am I talking 14:04.840 --> 14:09.960 about this is about second life the virtual world it's a it's a game you can download it's 14:09.960 --> 14:16.040 second life dot com but what's nice about it is it's a game where well a lot of listeners hang out 14:16.040 --> 14:22.040 a lot of podcasters hang out uh people get to get together and chat about stuff and do stuff 14:22.840 --> 14:28.040 so uh I got pretty frustrated with just you know all the limitations of second life in general 14:28.040 --> 14:33.080 the only way to really fix that is to get an island so uh got the team together let's me in 14:33.080 --> 14:39.720 Brittany Brittany Mason you'll find her of course uh today at the party there's ex-dark ex-alora 14:39.720 --> 14:45.160 magic squeeze magic star squeegee squeegee squeegee squeegee squeegee and we put together this 14:45.160 --> 14:49.640 island and you're gonna love this place it's gonna be a great place to come and hang out we've uh 14:49.720 --> 14:55.560 got a lot more control over what goes on in the land so of course the brothel move there yesterday 14:56.120 --> 14:59.240 you probably saw that right after the party everything got ripped out and taken away 15:01.000 --> 15:06.360 the palaces now there and it's it's it's the palaces been expanded it's beautiful we got swimming pool 15:06.360 --> 15:14.040 we've got all kinds of great games Texas hold on roulette of course the podshow princesses will be 15:14.120 --> 15:21.720 on the island dancing contest I'm moving there uh I think that's so I will be moving out of the 15:21.720 --> 15:26.520 castle to live there not quite sure we're gonna deposit the castle there not because uh I have 15:26.520 --> 15:33.640 a pretty nice place to live just look for the red car so it's gonna be uh it's gonna be high end you 15:33.640 --> 15:38.280 know it's gonna be much much classier we have a lot more control out of keeping people out who we 15:38.280 --> 15:43.800 don't want in but I think I think we're gonna have a really good time and you can also buy land 15:43.880 --> 15:50.840 there you can rent a place uh so let's see if we can uh let's see if we can really get a community together 15:50.840 --> 15:54.920 if you want any more information just to look for Brittany Mason online if I'm not online 15:54.920 --> 15:57.400 and she'll be able to help you particularly when it comes to the real estate 15:59.400 --> 16:05.720 oh man another chapter in my second life yeah yeah yeah yeah it's speaking of chapters in my life 16:06.840 --> 16:12.760 you know that before I got the delta Sierra my my airplane I was flying helicopters 16:13.080 --> 16:18.920 in fact I have about 750-800 hours on the turbine helicopters as piloting command 16:19.800 --> 16:25.720 and uh it's you know so I kind of went from helicopters to uh to regular fixed wing 16:26.600 --> 16:32.120 where most people go from fixed wing to helicopters and it usually happens after an experience 16:32.120 --> 16:37.720 like Misha had AC how are you it's Micah from let's shoot I mean Micah I've done that before I'm 16:37.800 --> 16:42.360 sorry Micah the chopper so over at LC choppers.com and uh I just want to say you 16:42.360 --> 16:48.600 roadograph pilots man you guys are nuts you see my wife and I we just went to Alaska on a cruise 16:48.600 --> 16:54.920 and we took a glacier tour and you want to talk about scud running and not being very far off 16:54.920 --> 16:59.640 the ground and looking up out of the helicopter to see the top of mountains it was just crazy but I 16:59.640 --> 17:04.200 tell you it was quite the adrenaline rush now I'm an air traffic controller over in Toledo 17:04.200 --> 17:11.080 Ohio and we were helicopters all the time and I'm a fixed wing pilot myself with about 400 hours or so 17:11.640 --> 17:16.200 but I tell you after the helicopter ride I'm seriously thinking about going back to school and picking 17:16.200 --> 17:20.520 up those roado wings right on anyway take care and have a good week we'll talk to you later brother 17:20.520 --> 17:25.320 and and tailwinds dude you suppose to say tailwinds how you really apply 17:26.440 --> 17:31.080 yeah Micah used to have Micah's minute which was great there was him recording stuff from 17:32.040 --> 17:38.040 from the tower as he was doing ATC in Toledo and I really loved it but I guess they they found 17:38.040 --> 17:44.200 upon it so Micah's minute passed and now he's doing the chopper podcast which is not about helicopters 17:44.200 --> 17:53.000 but about two wheel choppers. Let's see uh yesterday talked about uh was it yesterday talked about 17:53.000 --> 18:00.040 hugging a long tall Lisa at the pod show HQ about me being vertically challenged oh I have not 18:00.120 --> 18:06.520 alone hey Adam this is David from New Jersey call the tell you just uh working about a 18:06.520 --> 18:12.840 day behind on the latest B.S.E.s. one of the shots and I'm sitting at a restaurant here on the 18:12.840 --> 18:18.120 Jersey term bike and I thought I'd give you a call I too have vertically challenged just had my 18:18.120 --> 18:26.920 20 second anniversary of this test weekend with my wife um 64 she is only five two so I kind of 18:26.920 --> 18:31.800 know where you come in from bro uh was looking through my wedding album this past weekend and I 18:31.800 --> 18:37.800 started the chuckle I have forgotten during the wedding they made my wife stand on a box so that the 18:37.800 --> 18:46.040 pictures look more normal know where you come in from keep it up bye bye guys so what Patricia usually 18:46.040 --> 18:51.720 makes me do is uh whenever we're going somewhere where this potential for us to be photographed 18:51.960 --> 18:58.200 together for like uh newspapers gossip rags etc so usually when we're in the Netherlands because 18:58.200 --> 19:03.000 it's a really the only place we ever get bothered with that stuff she'll make me walk about three or four 19:03.000 --> 19:08.040 feet behind her and then if the people say oh yeah let's take a picture together and I literally 19:08.040 --> 19:13.080 have to like spread my legs out I had this whole way of doing it so you can't really see what I'm 19:13.080 --> 19:17.000 doing but you know particularly in perspective if people are taking pictures right from the front of us 19:17.000 --> 19:22.600 so kind of like spread my legs forward and back and and just kind of squat down and that usually 19:22.600 --> 19:29.080 works out okay and all the besides you know people often ask me if there's any other disadvantages 19:31.080 --> 19:36.120 to such a height difference can you say pinwheel? 19:36.120 --> 19:41.240 Hey Adam it's dead zero from the area of 51 group the weather middle listening to Wednesdays 19:41.240 --> 19:46.520 usually sort of code your thing on that neutrality and I think you're missing this a certain amount 19:46.520 --> 19:52.760 of perspective free lunch there's no such thing nobody is getting a free lunch we're oh wow this 19:52.760 --> 19:59.560 is great yeah I've got like a couple uh two pieces of feedback uh to share with you regarding net 19:59.560 --> 20:05.000 neutrality this is the thing that's uh coursing through the veins of the internet right now everyone 20:05.000 --> 20:10.600 talking about it like we're getting ripped off SBC is gonna blow up the internet it's gonna suck 20:10.680 --> 20:15.560 so I'm gonna just let you hear a couple of different sides of this and then uh hopefully give you 20:15.560 --> 20:22.200 some more information all paid for that then with Google is saying a massive amount to SBC or 20:22.200 --> 20:27.720 whatever the hell they're called by AT&T and whoever else who are those things these networks 20:27.720 --> 20:34.040 we're paying for all that stuff to what they want they want to get get paid twice they want to 20:34.040 --> 20:39.400 maximize their revenue streams they want more money more money more money more money that's our problem 20:40.040 --> 20:45.400 they want to make it the glory of the internet has always been that anybody can prosper if 20:45.400 --> 20:50.280 you've got a good idea and maybe some technical chops or you know somebody you can get a website 20:50.280 --> 20:55.080 up and you can make a million dollars all of a sudden now you got to pay the ferryman before you 20:55.080 --> 21:02.760 can actually stand a shot it's been a ruin it if you're not fair it's not legal and there is no competition 21:02.760 --> 21:08.040 they're in collusion there's about three bandwidth providers that cover the United States 21:08.040 --> 21:14.280 and everybody else is using them they're definitely all gonna charge the same amount and that 21:14.280 --> 21:18.600 amount's gonna keep going up together and they're not gonna get charged as weeks as long as this 21:18.600 --> 21:23.160 is made for the city office it is not going to be what you're imagining is not gonna be worked 21:23.160 --> 21:28.040 out in the market there is no opportunity for anybody else to make any even networks maybe 21:28.040 --> 21:33.880 she's for Google but if watch them get stopped with galleries they have a it's not a fair 21:33.880 --> 21:38.600 system it's not free market and it's not a free lunch you know what are you getting it for free 21:38.600 --> 21:44.360 see you later okay so this is pretty much the typical attitude that that is coursing through the 21:44.360 --> 21:50.920 veins of the the internet right now that it's not fair it's double dipping there's no competition 21:50.920 --> 21:56.360 now this is a subject that I happen to know an awful lot about having owned a data center 21:56.360 --> 22:01.480 and really understanding how the internet itself works on the inside that's the big cloud that 22:01.480 --> 22:04.840 you always see on the power points when people are talking about these great things with the 22:04.840 --> 22:09.960 internet and they say on end is cloud in here all this stuff kind of happens okay so I happen to 22:09.960 --> 22:15.480 know a lot about that and before I get into it I want to play more because now here's a a different 22:15.480 --> 22:21.720 viewpoint on net neutrality hey and this is Chris Thompson so it helps you and he go apex of that 22:21.720 --> 22:29.080 come I was just listening to so talking about net neutrality and it has two cents to offer 22:29.960 --> 22:36.280 awesome Louisiana I was talking to internet engineer a network engineer who works for a 22:36.280 --> 22:43.400 streaming media company for like music videos and got the scoop from him so basically it's all about 22:43.480 --> 22:50.920 fiber optic um for years uh FBC and AT&T have been putting fiber optics to the nose level which is 22:50.920 --> 22:55.080 you know your neighborhood so you individual neighborhoods would have fiber optic connection 22:56.920 --> 23:01.880 and this this means they sent a lot of money on infrastructure and all this other nonsense 23:02.680 --> 23:09.640 and the plan is to bump up everyone's bandwidth so all of a sudden now you have you know a huge 23:09.640 --> 23:15.000 pipe coming at your house and they want to offer content on that they want to offer uh 23:15.000 --> 23:21.640 voiceover IP they want to offer you know content distribution stuff and if they're going to have 23:21.640 --> 23:27.800 competitors come and do the same thing without paying for that's that's what their beef is and 23:27.800 --> 23:36.600 doesn't make too much sense for me um but also there was a um a bit about having this you know a huge 23:36.680 --> 23:44.120 fiber optic pipe certain packets will also be time sensitive like voiceover IP and streaming packets will be 23:44.920 --> 23:51.720 preferred and if your network is preferred then you just get you get right through in preference to a 23:51.720 --> 23:58.520 packet which is not preferred so you know it's getting voiceover IP even better and stuff 23:58.520 --> 24:03.640 and it makes very much sense you make a lot of sense if you're doing this but you basically have 24:03.800 --> 24:10.120 monopoly over these fiber optic connections you can name your price there's not much I'll choose I mean the 24:10.120 --> 24:17.640 telco's own the internet I mean combined um so I don't know too much about I don't know too much about 24:17.640 --> 24:24.840 this issue but that's just my uh my knowledge that I can add to the conversation um personally I'm 24:24.840 --> 24:31.720 looking at um getting uh dumping contest I don't have a only in my phone I want to get the um 24:31.800 --> 24:36.120 the neighborhood wireless connection all right so he goes on for a little bit more and I really have 24:36.120 --> 24:41.240 to stop because if you want to know all about net neutrality and you're listening to this podcast on 24:41.240 --> 24:46.840 serious stars 102 you're gonna have to download the whole show a daily source code dot com to find out 24:46.840 --> 24:52.120 my viewpoint on that PCH is next for you guys I'll talk to you on Monday so okay 24:53.800 --> 24:58.040 I'm trying to think if I should get now you know what there's one because I did a lot of research on it yesterday 24:58.040 --> 25:04.680 because even though I'm pretty sure that I know what I'm talking about I did go out and do some 25:04.680 --> 25:10.680 more research on net neutrality and low and behold I uh found I'm trying to launch this now 25:10.680 --> 25:19.640 I found a uh a video of uh hold on open up here we go of Tim Berners Lee the man widely credited 25:20.680 --> 25:25.800 for um yeah essentially uh coming up with the concept of the worldwide web 25:28.760 --> 25:33.080 you got to listen to this it's you know it's it's short but it's Tim Berners Lee 25:33.080 --> 25:39.960 who I obviously high and got him in very high on the radar and on the uh respect scale 25:41.640 --> 25:47.000 but I don't think he understands either quite honestly uh he did invent the worldwide web as you'll 25:47.000 --> 25:51.480 hear him say in this video piece I'm just waiting for it to load or actually streaming this uh over 25:51.480 --> 25:55.640 the net coming I think this is a hopeless streaming and over the net oh what is this 25:56.600 --> 26:01.720 to help protect your computer windows firewall has blocks and features of this program unblock okay 26:01.720 --> 26:07.960 could you please get to it it was unblock yesterday why did y'all sudden decide to block it now 26:07.960 --> 26:12.680 here comes Tim here's Tim Berners Lee and listen to what he's saying this is Tim Berners Lee 26:12.680 --> 26:18.520 from MIT I invented the worldwide web without having to ask anybody's permission 26:18.520 --> 26:22.920 I invented the worldwide web hundreds of millions of people are using it freely today 26:23.080 --> 26:32.360 I'm worried that this will end in the USA I've blocked on net neutrality before 26:32.360 --> 26:37.160 I'm so did a lot of other people but since then some telecommunication companies have 26:37.160 --> 26:44.920 spent a lot of money on TV ads and PR and the US house seems to have wavered from the path 26:44.920 --> 26:50.040 of preserving net neutrality there's been some misinformation spread about 26:51.000 --> 27:01.400 so here are some clarifications net neutrality is this if I pay to connect to the net with a given 27:01.400 --> 27:08.120 quality of service and you pay to connect to the net with the same or higher quality of service 27:09.080 --> 27:14.280 then you and I can communicate across the net with that quality of service 27:15.240 --> 27:23.640 that's all it's up to the internet service providers to interconnect to make sure that happens 27:24.760 --> 27:26.760 and they've shown they're very capable of doing that 27:28.600 --> 27:32.600 net neutrality is not about asking for the internet for free 27:33.880 --> 27:40.200 net neutrality is not saying that we shouldn't pay more for higher quality of service 27:41.080 --> 27:48.360 we always have and we always will there have been some suggestions that we don't need legislation 27:49.000 --> 27:55.320 because we haven't had it these are nonsense because in fact we have had net neutrality in the past 27:56.040 --> 28:00.680 and it's only recently that real explicit threats have emerged 28:02.920 --> 28:05.800 control of information is hugely powerful 28:06.760 --> 28:11.800 in the US the threat is that companies will control what I can access for commercial reasons 28:12.440 --> 28:16.920 in China the threat is the government controls access for political reasons 28:18.360 --> 28:25.480 there is a very strong short-term incentive for a company to grab control of TV distribution 28:25.480 --> 28:30.520 over the internet even though it is against the long-term interests of the industry 28:30.520 --> 28:41.160 yes regulation to keep the internet open is regulation and mostly the internet has thrived 28:41.160 --> 28:49.320 or lack of regulation but some basic values have to be preserved the market system depends 28:49.320 --> 28:55.000 on the fact that you can't photocopy money democracy depends on freedom of speech 28:55.880 --> 29:08.120 freedom of connection with any application to any party is the fundamental social basis of the internet 29:09.000 --> 29:18.120 and now is the basis of the society we've built on the internet let's see whether the United 29:18.200 --> 29:26.120 States is capable of acting according to its fundamental values or is it as some people who have been 29:26.120 --> 29:37.320 saying run by the misguided short-term interests of large companies I hope Congress can protect net 29:37.320 --> 29:45.560 neutrality so I can continue to innovate in the internet space I want to go on seeing the 29:45.560 --> 29:51.640 huge number of innovations which are happening out there and which is so diverse and so exciting 29:52.440 --> 30:02.120 I want to see that continue unabated okay timbernously I got a disagree with you even though 30:03.400 --> 30:08.440 I hold you on high regard for inventing the worldwide web as you say yourself 30:09.080 --> 30:15.800 you did not invent the internet we all know how guarded that and that's really what this is about 30:15.800 --> 30:21.240 this is not about the web in fact you timbernously even said there you know this is about controlling 30:21.240 --> 30:26.760 television through the internet which I thought was kind of weird for him to even use the word 30:26.760 --> 30:34.760 television because we don't really have television on the internet okay what happens on the internet 30:34.920 --> 30:39.640 and this is something that has been brewing for a long long time and it is not only something 30:39.640 --> 30:45.000 that's that's happening in the US it's going to happen worldwide because this is about peering and 30:45.000 --> 30:52.040 peering agreements when now when when when Al Gore invented the internet as basically when the 30:52.040 --> 30:56.840 DARPA net was turned off and commercial networks took over the backbone functionality of the net 30:56.840 --> 31:03.560 and we saw this happen from you know 94 95 so for the past 10 to 15 years we we yeah for the past 10 31:03.640 --> 31:09.080 12 years we've literally seen this grow before our very eyes now because these were telecommunications 31:09.080 --> 31:17.240 companies they're used to handing off phone calls to each other on a you know on a billions of 31:17.240 --> 31:23.480 phone minutes a day I guess and they do this at exchanges and at the end of the month they have 31:23.480 --> 31:28.120 something called settlement which basically is when they all the computers run and they match everything 31:28.200 --> 31:36.920 up and they say okay I sent four hundred million minutes to you so you owe me an X amount of money 31:36.920 --> 31:41.400 because I passed those phone calls off onto your network but you also passed phone calls off 31:41.400 --> 31:47.800 on the mine network it was 490 minutes million minutes so I owe you 90 million minutes that's what 31:47.800 --> 31:54.600 the settlement is all about now when the same wires the same fiber optics the same pipes started to 31:54.600 --> 31:59.240 be used for data and as they started to you know convert that and there's all kinds of technical 31:59.240 --> 32:04.520 stuff behind that but essentially the existing pipes you know just like our phone lines were 32:04.520 --> 32:12.440 our first access to the internet there really wasn't an efficient way to track the cost and in fact 32:12.440 --> 32:16.520 if that had started a long time ago then we probably wouldn't have seen the explosive growth of 32:16.520 --> 32:22.440 the internet that we've seen so they came up with a concept of peering and you have these exchange 32:22.440 --> 32:28.440 points and I know a lot about this because I had a data center called the data barn which was 32:28.440 --> 32:34.280 directly connected to the m6 the Amsterdam internet exchange and in order to become a member 32:35.080 --> 32:39.880 you have to have a certain amount of traffic for peering which means you're on peer with 32:39.880 --> 32:44.120 other networks that connected this exchange this is where these networks come together and where 32:44.120 --> 32:50.280 traffic is passed off so as an example the podcast delivery network the pod show runs in conjunction 32:50.280 --> 32:59.080 with line light is really a whole bunch of data centers that have copies of the content around the 32:59.080 --> 33:06.040 globe excuse me the other sincere moment but I'm not going to sponsor it now so since there's 33:06.040 --> 33:13.480 not a very efficient way to count packets and people aren't used to being charged by the packet 33:13.560 --> 33:20.120 necessarily these at these interchange points the networks basically say well I'm handing you 33:20.120 --> 33:25.640 you know 500 million terabytes your hand and me 450 million terabytes it's almost the same next week 33:25.640 --> 33:30.200 maybe I'll have more you'll have more so we'll call it a wash we'll call it peering and there 33:30.200 --> 33:35.640 these peering agreements which are contracts which literally say that saying you can charge me money 33:35.640 --> 33:41.240 I can't charge you money as long as we stay more or less within the bounds of equal traffic 33:41.240 --> 33:47.560 so I'm sending as much to your network as I'm receiving from your network okay so when you look at 33:47.560 --> 33:53.400 the podcast delivery network let's say you're on comcast okay and you want to listen to the daily 33:53.400 --> 33:59.240 source code so you just click on a link or your iTunes or some other podcast you're like juice 33:59.240 --> 34:06.840 says give me that file the file literally comes from a server that is probably only 20 feet away 34:06.840 --> 34:12.600 from comcast network because it's in the same data center and because we have a peering agreement 34:13.320 --> 34:19.320 between and really that's a lot of this limelight infrastructure we have a peering agreement 34:19.320 --> 34:23.480 it gets sent over gets put right on to the network and this happens almost everywhere we're 34:23.480 --> 34:27.880 you know so you remember we used to talk about hops how many hops away is this server from me 34:28.600 --> 34:36.440 well what happens is if you if either side of the equation whether you have an ISP 34:36.520 --> 34:42.600 that may not have all the all the direct connections into the exchanges because they don't have 34:42.600 --> 34:48.200 enough traffic by themselves which means they're basically buying someone else's pipe into the 34:48.200 --> 34:56.280 exchange or whether you're a content provider right who is providing the content onto those into 34:56.280 --> 35:01.880 the exchange perhaps through an external ISP or such as pod shell were right in the exchanges 35:01.960 --> 35:10.840 um I lost my train of thought this is a very complicated crap yeah so essentially you 35:10.840 --> 35:16.120 request it and it comes out on the other end if if you don't have those direct connections you 35:16.120 --> 35:23.240 have to do something which we call transit you have to buy transit so if as an example it could 35:23.240 --> 35:29.720 happen although unlikely that the podcast delivery network is in exchange and there's a huge 35:29.800 --> 35:37.560 network let's just call it SBC and they feel that for this new network they've put in place 35:37.560 --> 35:43.240 which is really high speed you're not sending them enough traffic or you're not able to receive 35:43.240 --> 35:48.680 enough traffic back from them for whatever reason they say we don't feel like we're peers then 35:48.680 --> 35:55.560 I would have to literally buy access and it could only be a five-foot cable to a different network 35:55.640 --> 36:01.240 that does have that amount of traffic but I would have to buy that connecting access to the other 36:01.240 --> 36:08.280 network called buying transit which can become very expensive but at the end of the day the concept 36:08.280 --> 36:13.960 of the internet is that no matter what happens your content will eventually get to the other end 36:13.960 --> 36:18.120 it may have to go through several hops because they're peering agreements aren't in place this 36:18.120 --> 36:25.480 has been going on for years in fact eight or ten years ago you could really tell the difference we 36:25.480 --> 36:30.280 would do trace routes anyone done a trace route or you know to see oh where's this traffic going 36:30.280 --> 36:35.160 through my gosh it's unbelievable this is not coming directly you know I'm in California and I'm 36:35.160 --> 36:40.040 trying to get to a server in New York but I'm being routed through through Germany through Frankfurt 36:40.040 --> 36:44.920 I mean that happened quite a lot and this is all because of the peering agreements or lack of them 36:44.920 --> 36:51.560 and the purchasing of this transit bandwidth so because these peering agreements are basically 36:51.560 --> 36:58.440 set on you know people shaking hands and saying I agree either party when they come to the table 36:58.440 --> 37:02.840 with a new network or something and some upgrade of course has the right to say you know what 37:03.640 --> 37:07.480 you want to you want to drop this stuff they could say pod show you want to drop this stuff right 37:07.480 --> 37:12.360 onto our network this new high speed network which essentially will allow you to deliver television 37:12.360 --> 37:19.480 quality images to anyone on our network that's fine but you can have to pay us for it and that's 37:19.480 --> 37:26.360 that's what's happening it doesn't mean it doesn't mean that I can't get there through another 37:26.360 --> 37:32.200 means but it would still cost me money I would have to buy transit to a network that did have that 37:32.200 --> 37:37.560 agreement with SBC this is huge political stuff that has been going on for a long time and it's 37:37.640 --> 37:43.880 not about of course at the end of the day the consumer always pays the bill for everything but it's 37:45.880 --> 37:50.680 it's not about never going you're that you're not going to be able to have access in fact SBC 37:50.680 --> 37:57.160 would be it would be suicide for them to say oh I'm sorry you can't get to that server because 37:57.160 --> 38:03.880 X, Y, or Z they'll never do that this is about a much higher network which really is almost 38:03.880 --> 38:09.000 not even a part of the internet it's their network so if they want to charge people 38:10.840 --> 38:16.680 to peer directly onto their network then people can have to do that and if not then there will 38:16.680 --> 38:23.560 be networks and other parties in between who will aggregate all of this traffic to come up with 38:23.560 --> 38:28.680 the right peering number or whatever the agreement has to be and so maybe that maybe pod show and 38:28.680 --> 38:35.000 Google and Yahoo would all have to get together and buy transit from different parties to still 38:35.000 --> 38:40.040 get on the network you will get on the network but it's going to cost money so and this is what 38:40.040 --> 38:46.920 I truly believe is that SBC is just saying you know we're putting billions into the ground in 38:46.920 --> 38:53.800 fiber and routers and switches and all kinds of stuff if you want to utilize it with all this 38:53.800 --> 38:58.200 additional traffic you're going to put on a network then you know you're no longer a peer 38:58.200 --> 39:03.800 you're in fact you're overloading us so you have to pay for it but the internet is not going to 39:03.800 --> 39:07.960 die because of this I'm sorry it's just not going to happen this is the thing that was supposed to 39:07.960 --> 39:17.320 withstand the nuclear attack and still work you know and so some stupid thought that a powerful 39:17.320 --> 39:23.560 party can take over if look if SBC could really really take and hold the internet hostage 39:25.160 --> 39:30.040 they would have done so a long time ago when they when they actually could have done it and I don't 39:30.040 --> 39:35.080 and even if if they wanted to I'm still doubt that it was possible 10 years ago to really they 39:35.080 --> 39:39.720 they'll try it essentially they try to own the internet it's just not how it works 39:40.600 --> 39:51.000 study and see how border gateway protocol works it's it's it's real high-end techy stuff but 39:52.360 --> 39:57.480 personally from a from a commercial standpoint I think it's great that they've put all this 39:57.480 --> 40:02.840 investment in it still remains to be seen what they're going to charge for basically hopping 40:02.840 --> 40:08.520 onto their network and and making use of it if they make it to expensive guess what we're just going 40:08.520 --> 40:13.720 to continue to compress our videos and keep it nice and tight and you know and then it'll just 40:13.720 --> 40:20.280 progress slower so there are market forces here at work it has nothing to do with with anti-competitive 40:20.280 --> 40:26.280 behavior and even though I was the one of the first to identify some very strange 40:27.720 --> 40:37.160 remarks made by Whitaker the CEO of SBC corporation I just don't see the threat and I think it's 40:37.160 --> 40:42.280 a lot of pile jumping that's going on and I really do know what I'm talking about so maybe we'll 40:42.280 --> 40:47.880 just all check in in two years and and see if I was right but you know this is not legislation 40:47.880 --> 40:52.680 is not going you think legislators understand this stuff I can barely understand what it's about 40:52.680 --> 40:59.160 and I actually had a business that was in this business so I think it's just an upgrade of the 40:59.160 --> 41:04.760 internet and it will probably take 10 years for all you know all parties involved all ISPs and 41:04.760 --> 41:10.120 everything to shake out and reshuffle and create new pairing agreements but man if anyone thought that 41:10.120 --> 41:15.080 this day wasn't coming we're pairing agreements would be busted wide open then then crazy we all knew 41:15.080 --> 41:20.920 this was coming this has been something that's and these contracts are you know 40 pages deep of 41:20.920 --> 41:25.960 all this crap you can and can't do I mean we've been skating on thin ice for a long long time and maybe 41:25.960 --> 41:32.680 just maybe everybody's been getting a pretty free ride ever think about that it's really expensive 41:32.760 --> 41:37.640 stuff we've been we've gotten used to cheap access and you know now we're paying the bill for 41:37.640 --> 41:44.360 essentially but it doesn't mean that any company in my opinion that any company can 41:45.640 --> 41:52.040 can go and hijack the internet and and make it so that individuals can't communicate or that 41:52.040 --> 41:58.360 you can't start a service of course you can and you will get exactly what you pay for you know 41:58.440 --> 42:02.520 it's not like your current standards are going to cost more it's going to cost more if you 42:02.520 --> 42:10.280 want to jump to the next level oh hey and to be honest if that's if you know look I'm a commercial 42:10.280 --> 42:15.480 guy everybody knows that and but I also love the the the the free and openness of the net and I 42:15.480 --> 42:23.160 I've built a career on it and I've become very successful through it and I and I don't intend to 42:23.240 --> 42:29.240 stop now so if I really was concerned you'd be hearing a whole different noise coming from my 42:29.240 --> 42:38.280 piehole which of course is surrounded by lots of growth of hair yeah and this is really from 42:38.280 --> 42:44.360 what you're talking and this is just gone about your your growth you had mentioned in the 42:44.360 --> 42:49.960 day on the metro sexual moment you're wanting tips on how to groom that I don't think we're all 42:50.600 --> 42:55.240 so if that's part of the deal man I think if you're going to let it grow you're going to just have to let it grow 42:57.080 --> 43:01.720 no nothing no clip for no trim and none of that stuff man you're just going to have to go to 43:01.720 --> 43:11.720 blue bush maybe that one's fire you to get off the end you get that two-man working man I don't 43:11.720 --> 43:16.600 I don't think you should be driving at or anything else I think you're doing that boat to pictures 43:16.600 --> 43:22.360 it could I do it and just let it go on there they're a little bit of rail then it stopped 43:22.360 --> 43:28.360 reaching and just anybody now that's your energy that's good work bye all right man you got my 43:28.360 --> 43:33.880 sexy SOGF to thank for that for the pictures of of course another update of the it's getting 43:33.880 --> 43:39.080 it's getting thick and dark now that they take my picture dmv and what happens when I go back 43:39.080 --> 43:42.200 to London will they let me in the country will they look at me and say this doesn't look like 43:42.280 --> 43:46.680 your passport picture in fact that beard kind of makes you a kind of terrorist look and you know 43:46.680 --> 43:52.680 I'm saying hi Adam this is Jeff Groucho Marx in second life what morning I got an elephant in my 43:52.680 --> 43:59.000 agenda oh you got my agenda I don't know I've been enjoying listening to your story about growing 43:59.000 --> 44:06.200 your beard in the pictures in 2000 I was a CEO of a public dot com and I too while waiting for 44:06.200 --> 44:10.200 our new development platform to be launched announced the staff that I wasn't going to shave 44:10.920 --> 44:15.400 until you guys finished and we launched and the news to say I went through many months 44:16.200 --> 44:21.880 scratching and itching and looking ridiculously grubby and so finally they were ready to launch 44:21.880 --> 44:27.400 and at the launch party I came out in my scrubby beard congratulated the team then I ducked off into 44:27.400 --> 44:33.000 the bathroom and shaved off half my beard it came back into the room and into the party with 44:33.000 --> 44:38.280 one side of my face clean shaving and the other side filled bushy and that was good for a few 44:38.280 --> 44:43.320 laughs and a bunch of embarrassing pictures so you might want to consider that when you finish with 44:43.320 --> 44:49.480 the you are impending launch and any event keep up the great work good to hear from you to 44:49.480 --> 44:53.960 and see you every day and as Groucho would say that's the most ridiculous thing I have always 44:55.320 --> 44:59.960 yeah you know I didn't like that too much that that comment because you know you said that 44:59.960 --> 45:05.960 you were a CFO of a dot com company and it took months those are like a whole bunch of things 45:05.960 --> 45:10.360 that just really didn't make me feel good at all about this whole beard thing I'm not planning 45:10.360 --> 45:17.000 on waiting a couple of months I hope the company you were CFO of still exists so there's no bad 45:17.000 --> 45:22.200 home and with this beard stuff this is really just to remind me about how much hard work is going 45:22.200 --> 45:27.640 into creating this thing it's been eight or nine months people are really I mean I've been at the 45:27.640 --> 45:32.360 office almost every night until anywhere between eight and ten p.m. and there's tons of people 45:32.520 --> 45:36.680 still work and they're still just because they want to because they want to get this done they 45:36.680 --> 45:44.120 want to get this out and the demand is so huge so take it for me I'm not planning on having this 45:44.120 --> 45:49.480 beard for very long I'm just wary of giving and we have a date of course we have a date I'm just 45:49.480 --> 45:56.520 very wary of giving it to anybody but believe me when I say the Patricia hates a beard she likes 45:56.680 --> 46:03.320 the way it looks but she dislikes the way it functions and she will be giving me grief about this so 46:03.320 --> 46:08.680 this is this is more to remind me of whatever one's going through trying to get all this stuff up 46:08.680 --> 46:12.760 and going and it's going to be beautiful when you see pod show plus when you see my collection 46:12.760 --> 46:19.560 in the channel guide and then you see the the pdn that's that's that's available for anyone for free 46:19.640 --> 46:27.320 to use I think you're going to like it you're going to want to join the show you're definitely 46:27.320 --> 46:32.440 going to want to be a part of the show hi Adam I was listening to daily source code six twenty one 46:32.440 --> 46:37.160 or six I can't I'm a grand lover I don't know if that's why it's not but anyway I was driving home 46:37.160 --> 46:42.920 away from working um Pennsylvania from Central Pennsylvania to Philadelphia on U.S. one and the 46:42.920 --> 46:47.240 career song came on and I was a little tired to go to about one in the morning coming home 46:47.240 --> 46:52.440 from the TV station that I work at and that song came on and we said hey listen to this song 46:52.440 --> 46:57.000 and imagine it's a video and at that moment I really woke up to listen there were two 46:57.000 --> 47:02.040 years in front of me I don't know if it saves my life but it definitely saves my car so thanks to the 47:02.040 --> 47:06.840 daily source code he kept me awake you're doing a good job keep it up and I love your daughter's 47:06.840 --> 47:12.120 pod show okay and I hope this is clear thanks to all right take care of Adam oh yeah so you 47:12.280 --> 47:18.680 probably also save the deer don't you think you didn't mention that what all right daily source code 47:18.680 --> 47:25.560 known for saving lives all over the world and yeah Christina's getting ready to do her next show 47:25.560 --> 47:29.240 she can't wait I she might even make me do it on Sunday when when I get home which will be 47:29.240 --> 47:34.280 fine with me I mean I I want her doing to voice mail numbers over the weekend you might be 47:34.280 --> 47:37.800 listening to the show over the weekend in New Jersey which is probably the best number for you to call 47:37.800 --> 47:46.920 if you're using Skype 2016256357 we also have a London number we the Royal Wii 02076813753 and 47:46.920 --> 47:51.320 that comments were Patricia's well because you know she's gonna be on the show Monday okay just a 47:51.320 --> 48:00.840 couple more bits here but oh they're very important ones shoot I'm used to using two different 48:00.840 --> 48:11.480 computers for this stuff here we go let's try that comic strip comic strip comic strip comic strip 48:14.280 --> 48:21.960 comic strip you use the man with a plan hello madam carry as you maybe know I am a mobile phone expert 48:21.960 --> 48:28.120 and not just because I was working three years in Finland at Nokia but because I'm writing the 48:28.120 --> 48:34.440 bug mobile phones on the internet since 10 years and I visit personally major treasures including 48:34.440 --> 48:41.640 the biggest mobile phone treasure in the world 3GSM so let me tell you and DSC listeners two things 48:42.280 --> 48:49.080 firstly some wireless carriers indeed offer flat rate mobile internet where you pay on 48:49.080 --> 48:57.560 six price without limits it is so in USA Japan Germany and East Europe but not in UK unfortunately 48:57.560 --> 49:04.520 where still it's come and titled unlimited one gigabyte is practiced secondly I would like to say 49:04.520 --> 49:09.800 that there's no oh I just got to stop you there C.S.B. you know this is so true talk about net neutrality 49:09.800 --> 49:22.280 and bullshit my phone bill my singular bill I should say is about $2,500 a month and so Rosie 49:22.360 --> 49:27.160 came to me yesterday said you know what are we going to do about your phone bill and I said well 49:27.160 --> 49:32.280 you know crap you know this is what happens I you know we've tried two phones having a UK phone 49:32.280 --> 49:37.160 than a US phone and I miss out on a lot of calls because people are calling the wrong phone number 49:37.160 --> 49:41.880 this one's on that one's anyway or I got to walk around with two phones a tremendous logistical 49:41.880 --> 49:48.840 nightmare but the funny thing is it's not the actual phone calls you'd think and I talk a lot 49:49.720 --> 49:55.800 and I'm basically roaming when I'm using my US blackberry in in the UK but those costs are 49:55.800 --> 50:01.640 relatively low maybe only a couple hundred bucks what is the actual charge for the charge is for 50:01.640 --> 50:09.240 reading email it's for the bandwidth I consume reading email while overseas because yeah you get one 50:09.240 --> 50:15.720 gigabyte and after that no actually you get one gigabyte if you're in the US and the same goes for the 50:15.800 --> 50:21.400 UK by the way you get a gigabyte which is more than enough for the gigabyte okay just a gig 50:21.400 --> 50:27.720 it's not a huge amount of data by today standards you get a gig to do your email is more than enough 50:27.720 --> 50:36.280 for email however when you are roaming they charge you about a buck or maybe it's a buck 50 50:36.360 --> 50:46.280 per megabyte that is transferred that's bullshit that is total crap and bullshit and it is directly 50:46.280 --> 50:53.080 related to the peering issue and it's and but in this case it's price gouging it is totally 50:53.080 --> 50:59.160 intended to rip off the consumer when he goes outside of the regular coverage area phone would 50:59.240 --> 51:05.720 had this good you got as a bribe it's quite good for the recording thanks to wifi and 51:05.720 --> 51:14.200 3G but it has no stereo audio of a bluetooth so it is missing the crucial thing anyway 51:14.200 --> 51:20.120 and I'm carry why couldn't you give me interview about mobile phones now when you see that mobile 51:20.120 --> 51:27.480 phone industry seriously is entering put casting let's do it made over Skype or in person come on 51:28.280 --> 51:34.520 here you'll like that podcast creator okay see as be I don't know about interview 51:34.520 --> 51:38.840 I'm not I've got nothing to say I don't know anything about mobile phones you know everything 51:38.840 --> 51:44.760 about mobile phones so this Nokia N91 you heard it there from the expert in fact the guy who left 51:44.760 --> 51:49.160 Nokia and does not like the company at all he says it's a pretty damn good phone 51:49.880 --> 51:55.000 and I have to agree you know what thank you offer sending in all that information and emails about 51:55.000 --> 52:01.480 finding the tracks so I was indeed incorrect and I guess it's just an interface issue that I 52:01.480 --> 52:07.320 and I'm not I'm I'm blonde but I'm not totally stupid but I thought that music would be under music 52:07.320 --> 52:13.880 but no it's under tracks okay so I found all the tracks that came pre-loaded on this N91 which is 52:15.080 --> 52:22.120 as CSB just said I received as a bribe to talk about it yeah hell yeah let me see let me see 52:22.120 --> 52:25.960 if I can find it here because they pre-loaded it with all kinds of cool stuff is he Kevin Reeves in 52:25.960 --> 52:36.120 there let me see where is now of course I can't find it I had it all set up for you there was 52:36.120 --> 52:44.440 these ringtones oh man don't tell me I can't find the ringtones now oh wait no tracks that's 52:44.440 --> 52:50.440 what I want tracks there we go okay let's go it was kind of cool the way they set that up here 52:50.520 --> 52:55.080 they actually yeah so they contact it Jeff Smith the Roger Smalls ringtone is on here 52:58.760 --> 53:06.120 comic strip blogger oh wait they even I guess they they contacted and hopefully contracted 53:06.840 --> 53:11.480 Jeff Smith to create this ringtone for me check it out see is it playing yeah should play now 53:13.320 --> 53:17.960 oh wait that's not the one we know that one that's Metro sexual Adam oh Adam's ringtone 53:18.680 --> 53:29.880 shoot where is it okay you can hear me tapping through okay so the so I did this one for Ron 53:29.880 --> 53:35.960 wasn't there to receive his free phone but this is the one for Ron that's pretty funny 53:48.440 --> 53:58.600 can you imagine actually being in a meeting and that going off yeah here's my here's my hip hop ringtone 53:58.600 --> 54:08.680 check this out this is funny I can just see me walking around with this oh yeah oh yeah 54:09.320 --> 54:23.560 Adam is she phone Adam Curry oh you get the idea as a music machine it's great it's fantastic 54:23.560 --> 54:28.680 I'm I'm just bummed about the keyboard I can't use that to it just won't work for email that's a real 54:28.680 --> 54:33.720 bummer okay so I just wanted to correct that from yesterday we almost done here no Marcus 54:33.720 --> 54:41.320 couch or something to say hey what's up it's Marcus couch pot show music rewind and the scene's 54:41.320 --> 54:48.600 aim and I'm actually calling to talk about rewind right now hey if content clips were you know 54:48.600 --> 54:55.080 recreational activities I'd be down to sticks and stems right now are you music podcasts is up there 54:56.120 --> 55:02.280 point your browser to rewind dot pot show dot com click on the submission tab on the right side 55:03.160 --> 55:10.200 and give me a clip just send it to hot show music rewind and gmail dot com and you're in 55:11.000 --> 55:17.080 it could be on the show totally appreciate that hey speaking of appreciate and thanks for the link 55:17.080 --> 55:23.800 to the scenes video podcast yeah my pleasure man plugbell here the scenes theme dot com totally 55:23.800 --> 55:29.320 appreciate that and I'm actually going to two more in the can and each one is like technically 55:29.320 --> 55:34.520 harder than the last so having a lot of fun doing that but I tell you it's a lot different than 55:34.520 --> 55:40.360 audio because instead of just hitting the play button to listen to the thing it takes about 20 minutes 55:40.360 --> 55:48.600 to render every 30 seconds video to all about it the time shifting is definitely a huge lag factor 55:48.600 --> 55:54.200 in video podcasting all right Marcus couch monitor you know all right buddy if you haven't seen 55:54.200 --> 55:59.480 that I put a link on curry dot com yesterday to uh Marcus couch's video podcast I you got to see 55:59.480 --> 56:04.280 what he's done it's fantastic it's really really cool great use of the medium but yeah it's not 56:04.280 --> 56:08.600 that it's not trivial it's not like audio where you bang them out one after another you know it's uh 56:08.600 --> 56:15.960 it takes actual work involved yeah we've been doing some stuff for for the show over in uh in England 56:15.960 --> 56:20.440 for for BT uh sorry I'm supposed to talk about that I'm supposed to tell you who are partners 56:21.320 --> 56:26.280 for a hot show UK for a big launch it's going to be great we've been putting lots of cool 56:26.280 --> 56:34.440 video stuff together finally um just uh quickly regarding my uh temporary switch to windows 56:35.640 --> 56:39.640 first of all all the people who say that I shouldn't be getting a Sony via because of the route kit 56:39.640 --> 56:44.520 fiasco you're probably right but I'm just a dumb consumer and I just want a really good machine 56:45.480 --> 56:50.200 so I can still hate Sony for doing that but yeah people and companies make mistakes 56:51.320 --> 56:58.760 so it is also divine to uh to forgive particularly if you get a great kick-ass computer out of it 57:01.160 --> 57:07.560 but I was missing really I I'm not missing much on on on how it works and how it functions you know 57:07.560 --> 57:12.840 and of course the beauty of the of a Macintosh is that the hardware and the software are pretty much 57:13.560 --> 57:17.720 tightly controlled by the same company so they you know it's like you know there's only so many 57:17.800 --> 57:23.880 types of monitors that are going to be hooked up to it so you know uh uh the the operating system 57:23.880 --> 57:28.120 knows exactly what capabilities the uh how many people you how many people how many if you're looking 57:28.120 --> 57:32.360 at well listen to this on your computer just look down to see if you receive the Skype message 57:32.360 --> 57:39.240 that's Raymond Ford's Skyping Me Raymond I'm in the middle of the show um so you know there's 57:39.240 --> 57:43.480 there's there's there's we don't have that tight integration on windows so there's some things that 57:44.120 --> 57:47.800 you know that that are just a little funky but the one thing I've really been missing 57:48.360 --> 57:54.360 is the ability to do an apple key age which is hide and that came out with OS 10 I don't think it was 57:54.360 --> 57:59.320 even in the uh in the initial release or maybe if I recall correctly it was in the initial release 57:59.320 --> 58:03.160 and they took it out of the second release and then brought it back because people love it so much 58:03.160 --> 58:07.560 and it's nice because it's control which is the left-hand side of the keyboard and age which is right 58:07.560 --> 58:12.520 in the middle so you can tap that with the have long-hand long fingers so I can tap that with one hand 58:12.680 --> 58:17.400 or I can use my other hand it's and I become accustomed to it for you know six years now 58:17.400 --> 58:23.160 I've been using control age as control age all-tab that's kind of my the way I navigate around 58:23.160 --> 58:26.280 and it's just nice to control age to move something out of the way if you want to have it back 58:26.280 --> 58:32.920 and all-tab and it's back and uh I've been looking for the equivalent of that and I of course 58:32.920 --> 58:37.000 receive lots of email and a and a voicemail feedback about how to do that. 58:37.960 --> 58:46.440 Hey Adam how's it going this Kevin reads uh and a couple quick things first of all um an easy way 58:46.440 --> 58:53.000 to do hiding in windows with a keyboard and unfortunately it's a two-step process but it's a lot 58:53.000 --> 58:59.640 of easier than what you've been doing is when you're in an application hit alt space and then 58:59.720 --> 59:07.240 and for minimize it's kind of weird you'd think it was M but it's not it's November 59:07.960 --> 59:13.480 so alt space and then N that will minimize the application and bring it to the next one 59:15.240 --> 59:18.920 so that's that's the first thing second thing and then he goes on to talk about being on the 59:18.920 --> 59:24.040 Nokia phone which already mentioned thank you Kevin so yeah that's not very handy because it's 59:24.120 --> 59:28.760 two-step process this is all about speed you know by the way um you know how you may have 59:28.760 --> 59:36.360 used spotlight on the Mac to find something or I used uh was it quick keys or quick silver quick silver 59:36.360 --> 59:42.120 I think it is uh which gives you a quick short cut command you type in the first couple of letters 59:42.120 --> 59:45.880 of whatever it is you're looking for whether it's a document or an application that's the way 59:45.880 --> 59:51.240 I don't navigate you know to my applications folder or down to the dock you know I like using the 59:51.240 --> 59:55.080 keyboard my hands are already there I don't have to move it away from the mouse it's all about 59:55.080 --> 01:00:00.360 the speed of navigation for me shoot I'd probably be one if I could if I ever learned e-max I'd 01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:06.120 probably still be using e-max I definitely still pop open a VI editor once in a while 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:13.400 but it's not it's not the same thing so I really wanted to control H and Anders Kerson 01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:17.240 I thought hope I'm pronouncing that right heard the call and he created a beautiful little 01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:24.040 application for me you just drop a shortcut into the startup folder and it's hidden you don't see it 01:00:24.040 --> 01:00:30.200 and it basically maps control key and the H key that combination or any other combination you 01:00:30.200 --> 01:00:36.040 want you can reset it it basically maps that to the minimize the foremost application command which 01:00:36.040 --> 01:00:42.200 would be the equivalent to the alt space bar and then the n which is nuts it's the n for no 01:00:42.200 --> 01:00:49.320 member I mean how stupid is that minimize hmm let's make that an n command they must have had a 01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:54.760 long meeting and redmin about that shit so anyway Anders thank you so much I love this new app and 01:00:55.880 --> 01:01:01.080 if you think it's bug free dude I think you should totally put that out there and let people enjoy this 01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:08.520 use max and also use windows and just missed that one little wonderful piece of functionality 01:01:08.520 --> 01:01:13.400 I think they'll be very cool and again I really really do appreciate you putting that together for me 01:01:14.040 --> 01:01:21.000 dang we've been at it for an hour I got to get to the dmv and even better I got to go home 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.400 I want to go home and see my girls 01:01:27.640 --> 01:01:29.640 shows 01:01:30.200 --> 01:01:31.640 have sex with my wife 01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:33.640 god I need it 01:01:36.250 --> 01:04:37.560 [ Music ] 01:04:37.560 --> 01:04:52.800 That's why my friends, going home tomorrow, can't wait so much is gonna happen. 01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:59.640 The unleash will happen when I get home, pod show UK is gonna open when I get home and 01:04:59.640 --> 01:05:04.480 I'm gonna have this wild-ass jungle sex is what's gonna happen when I come home. 01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:06.480 Alrighty everybody, okay? 01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:08.800 I gotta get ready, that's a lee metaphor by the way. 01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:12.360 I believe he's from Switzerland looking at his email address and he put that up on the 01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:16.720 pod safe music network and send me an email about it and said, hey, what do you think? 01:05:16.720 --> 01:05:17.720 Maybe for when you're going home. 01:05:17.720 --> 01:05:18.960 I said, yeah, that's great. 01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:19.960 That's fantastic. 01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:20.960 Boo-boo. 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:26.800 Adamaccurry.com for your feedback, dailysourcecode.com for the latest show on the podcast feed, 01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:33.240 of course, and Curry.com for the ongoing conversations about all kinds of stuff. 01:05:33.240 --> 01:05:36.680 I'm sure I'll get lots of net neutrality comments. 01:05:36.680 --> 01:05:40.480 Alrighty everybody, thank you very much for sticking with me throughout the past two weeks. 01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:42.280 Oh, I'm choking up. 01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:46.160 Throughout the past three weeks here in San Francisco, Monday, Lady Patricia on the show, 01:05:46.160 --> 01:05:47.960 no doubt about it. 01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:49.160 You can count on it. 01:05:49.160 --> 01:05:56.360 420 everybody, talk to you on Monday, have a great weekend, bye-bye. 01:05:56.360 --> 01:06:05.880 Another pod show pod cast, stick it in your ear. 01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:10.200 Get this pod cast in more great ones like you on the high performance pod cast delivery 01:06:10.200 --> 01:06:12.880 network from pod show and limelight networks.