WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.000 This podcast is brought to you by Poncho and GoDaddy. 00:07.000 --> 00:10.000 Want Killer content with a badass domain name? 00:10.000 --> 00:12.000 This show will give you a special code. 00:12.000 --> 00:15.000 Get great discounts at GoDaddy.com. 00:15.000 --> 00:16.000 GoDaddy. 00:16.000 --> 00:20.000 Delta Sierra Charlie 417. 00:20.000 --> 00:24.000 It was $16 million worth of airplane strapped to my ass. 00:24.000 --> 00:28.000 Done the next generation radio content in my ears. 00:30.000 --> 00:33.000 I like to think I'm flying into the future. 00:36.000 --> 00:38.000 Well, hey everybody, how you doing? 00:38.000 --> 00:40.000 It is Saturday. 00:40.000 --> 00:45.000 Welcome to Curry Cottage with a little update on the podcast. 00:45.000 --> 00:48.000 We're going to take a nice and easy today. 00:48.000 --> 00:50.000 Today is Saturday. 00:50.000 --> 00:53.000 It's the 8th of July, 2006. 00:53.000 --> 00:57.000 We're a couple days post launch and post send off. 00:57.000 --> 01:02.000 And I really wanted to give you guys an update of what's going on. 01:02.000 --> 01:07.000 Where everybody's at, what's been happening, how I'm doing, how you doing. 01:07.000 --> 01:11.000 So, I found some instrumental music actually that I figured. 01:11.000 --> 01:15.000 I'll play some pod save tunes later on with vocals. 01:16.000 --> 01:18.000 Let me just tell you who this is before I forget. 01:18.000 --> 01:24.000 This is a dark horse summer dreaming from the Podsick Music Network. 01:24.000 --> 01:26.000 So let me rewind you if you don't mind. 01:26.000 --> 01:31.000 By the way, I've got my sensei here and I've got everything else that I like having 01:31.000 --> 01:34.000 to be in a nice chill mood. 01:34.000 --> 01:38.000 Stake you back to Wednesday. 01:38.000 --> 01:39.000 There you go. 01:39.000 --> 01:43.000 Wednesday was back at the cottage, flew back with easy jet actually. 01:43.000 --> 01:47.000 Since the aircraft was back in at Ferrox. 01:47.000 --> 01:50.000 I'd sent a foolishly sent Captain Dan back. 01:50.000 --> 01:53.000 Of course, he did have to do something else. 01:53.000 --> 01:55.000 Some other stuff. 01:55.000 --> 01:57.000 When I arrived on Sunday. 01:57.000 --> 01:59.000 So anyway, so I went back Wednesday. 01:59.000 --> 02:01.000 I was way too tired to do a show. 02:01.000 --> 02:05.000 It was so much going on because of course the plan was to launch pod show 02:05.000 --> 02:09.000 plus on July 4th for your full-blown media independence. 02:09.000 --> 02:13.000 And this was all coinciding at the same time with 02:13.000 --> 02:18.000 Mom's passing the private ceremony for the family. 02:18.000 --> 02:27.000 And of course, by her request the 50s rock and roll party that I was that I'd organized for her. 02:27.000 --> 02:31.000 And so I was just I was waxed man. 02:32.000 --> 02:37.000 Wednesday evening the wind commander who really, he pulled a whole bunch of strings. 02:37.000 --> 02:42.000 He actually had someone drop them off in their own plane at Ferrox. 02:42.000 --> 02:47.000 Because I really, you know, first of all, I like having a safety pilot. 02:47.000 --> 02:50.000 Certainly when my mind is on a whole bunch of things. 02:50.000 --> 02:52.000 And definitely if I've got my family with me. 02:52.000 --> 02:54.000 So he was really, really nice. 02:54.000 --> 03:00.000 And he hopped out, jumped in with me, and we took off for Rotterdam. 03:01.000 --> 03:02.000 Which was actually nice flight. 03:02.000 --> 03:05.000 Christina's still a little bit nervous about flying. 03:05.000 --> 03:07.000 Although she's getting much, much better. 03:07.000 --> 03:09.000 And we're paying a lot of attention to it. 03:09.000 --> 03:12.000 You know, making sure that the ride is as smooth as possible. 03:12.000 --> 03:14.000 Requesting different altitudes if it gets too bumpy. 03:14.000 --> 03:16.000 You know, she watches so much. 03:16.000 --> 03:18.000 So many different horror movies. 03:18.000 --> 03:21.000 Her idea of, you know, airplane disaster is, you know, 03:21.000 --> 03:23.000 Oh, it's, it's a, it's a thunderstorm. 03:23.000 --> 03:24.000 We're being struck by lightning. 03:24.000 --> 03:27.000 You know, the stuff that rarely ever happens. 03:27.000 --> 03:30.000 If at all, it's always some other reason. 03:30.000 --> 03:35.000 Um, so he stated to the brand new Western hotel in Rotterdam, 03:35.000 --> 03:36.000 which is nice. 03:36.000 --> 03:37.000 We had two rooms. 03:37.000 --> 03:39.000 And it was, uh, it was just nice to kind of relax. 03:39.000 --> 03:44.000 We watched the game, uh, which of course was, um, 03:44.000 --> 03:47.000 a France against Portugal. 03:47.000 --> 03:48.000 Oh, I'm sorry. 03:48.000 --> 03:50.000 Hello. 03:50.000 --> 03:52.000 Is someone coming in? 03:52.000 --> 03:53.000 Yeah. 03:53.000 --> 03:55.000 I thought Patricia was coming in. 03:55.000 --> 03:56.000 It's just the door. 03:56.000 --> 03:57.000 Don't go away. 03:57.000 --> 03:58.000 Let me go close. 03:58.000 --> 03:59.000 Come on. 03:59.000 --> 04:00.000 All right. 04:00.000 --> 04:01.000 There you go. 04:01.000 --> 04:02.000 Um. 04:02.000 --> 04:16.000 So we watched the game, which, you know, kind of had half my eye on. 04:16.000 --> 04:21.000 Ron, by this time, had arrived in London because we were a big meeting on Monday. 04:21.000 --> 04:23.000 Um, for Pod Show UK. 04:24.000 --> 04:28.000 And of course, at the same time, uh, we're desperately trying to unleash Pod Show 04:28.000 --> 04:31.000 Plus and the podcast delivery network. 04:31.000 --> 04:34.000 And man, it wasn't an incredible time. 04:34.000 --> 04:41.000 I was up until three, uh, that evening or Thursday morning, um, on the phone with San Francisco 04:41.000 --> 04:43.000 and Ron was in London and I was in Rotterdam. 04:43.000 --> 04:46.000 And what a pleasure to work with this team that we have at Pod Show. 04:46.000 --> 04:52.000 You know, we, we obviously, the, the launch was delayed due to, um, that was due to one 04:52.000 --> 04:53.000 bug. 04:53.000 --> 04:58.000 One significant bug that was so significant, of course, was as small as an Ampherson. 04:58.000 --> 05:03.000 And what, what really happens is, you know, when you have all these moving pieces coming together, 05:03.000 --> 05:07.000 and if you look at the new Pod Show.com and you see what we've built, I think you'll understand 05:07.000 --> 05:09.000 that there are a lot of moving pieces. 05:09.000 --> 05:15.000 And one little anomaly in, uh, in fact, in the data can actually make a huge difference. 05:15.000 --> 05:18.000 And yeah, can, uh, can screw up a lot of stuff. 05:19.000 --> 05:24.000 Um, and so we just, because, you know, particularly with the data we use, which is, you know, 05:24.000 --> 05:27.000 people's people's data, making stuff, changing stuff. 05:27.000 --> 05:31.000 Uh, we had hundreds of data testers in there, but you make a new episode, your feed changes. 05:31.000 --> 05:36.000 And then, you know, it's, if you can't replicate a problem consistently, then it becomes much harder 05:36.000 --> 05:37.000 to track down. 05:37.000 --> 05:42.000 And at a certain point, everyone's tired and then you just have to kind of like regroup and sit down 05:42.000 --> 05:46.000 and, and we beat it all the way down and then we said, okay, then we'll launch tomorrow then. 05:46.000 --> 05:48.000 And of course, that was Thursday. 05:48.000 --> 05:53.000 Uh, at this time it already was Thursday, but it would be several hours later, San Francisco 05:53.000 --> 05:54.000 time. 05:54.000 --> 06:01.000 So, I decided to, uh, not think I turned off the phone, just completely shut off everything 06:01.000 --> 06:04.000 and concentrated on the day itself, which was fantastic. 06:04.000 --> 06:07.000 We had a very private ceremony, uh, from my mom. 06:07.000 --> 06:10.000 It's just, uh, my sister Tiffany Willow, Bob. 06:10.000 --> 06:14.000 It was a keto and, uh, it's my sister's friend. 06:15.000 --> 06:18.000 Um, she'll hate it if I say boy friend. 06:18.000 --> 06:20.000 A little bit more than that. 06:20.000 --> 06:26.000 Uh, and out of San Dro, uh, Willow's husband came over from Italy and Patricia myself and Christina. 06:26.000 --> 06:28.000 And it was, it was beautiful. 06:28.000 --> 06:31.000 Um, you know, exactly the way my mom wanted it. 06:31.000 --> 06:37.000 You know, not a whole bunch of people just us sitting around, um, listening to Vivaldi 06:37.000 --> 06:40.000 and then the last song that was played. 06:41.000 --> 06:45.000 Ah, so typical Elvis Presley's are you alone some tonight, but then in the version where it 06:45.000 --> 06:47.000 cracks up laughing and starts singing the wrong lyrics. 06:47.000 --> 06:53.000 So, it's really a fantastic choice because you can laugh and cry at the same time. 06:53.000 --> 06:55.000 It really, it worked very well. 06:55.000 --> 07:01.000 Uh, then we all went back to freshen up and get ready for the 50s rock and roll party, 07:01.000 --> 07:07.000 which was held at this place called Catties Diner, um, above Amsterdam, actually, or 07:07.000 --> 07:09.000 just on the outskirts of Amsterdam. 07:09.000 --> 07:11.000 And, you know, my mom was so right. 07:11.000 --> 07:13.000 What a fantastic idea. 07:13.000 --> 07:18.000 You know, no uncomfortable speeches, you know, really fun music, a great atmosphere, food, 07:18.000 --> 07:23.000 drink and, you know, everyone kind of loosens up and then, you know, instead of people standing 07:23.000 --> 07:28.000 up and giving speeches, we all could have personal share personal stories about, uh, about my mom 07:28.000 --> 07:34.000 and how she, uh, affected us or touched our lives or, you know, just talked about how she was a person. 07:34.000 --> 07:39.000 And it really was a very, I mean, I would recommend, it doesn't have to be the 50s theme, 07:39.000 --> 07:44.000 but I would really recommend that as a, depending on your faith, of course, and your beliefs as a 07:44.000 --> 07:49.000 great way of healing and kind of transitioning into what is the unavoidable, you know, 07:49.000 --> 07:52.000 void that, that opens up. 07:52.000 --> 07:55.000 You know, even during the party, the party for my mom and thinking, I should ask my mom, 07:55.000 --> 07:57.000 she'd know that and I'm like, oh, no, wait a minute. 07:57.000 --> 08:00.000 I'll twist this as that. 08:00.000 --> 08:05.000 As by the way, it's for, uh, EL84 from the Pod Sabin music network with forever my love. 08:05.000 --> 08:10.000 Man, without instrumental categories, outrageous, big. 08:10.000 --> 08:16.000 So after all that was done and everyone had said goodbye, um, and I will be posting pictures, um, 08:16.000 --> 08:23.000 at curry.com, and I'll probably put something somewhere in the show notes from the comments section, 08:23.000 --> 08:27.000 maybe even the blog section of dailysourcecode.com, which is still the same address, 08:27.000 --> 08:32.000 but you'll see it's now points to the dailysourcecode.com page on the Pod Sabin music, 08:32.000 --> 08:36.000 on the, the Pod show plot, so it's my own page. 08:36.000 --> 08:41.000 So, um, you know, why, why we play a full song with vocals, and then we're 08:41.000 --> 08:44.000 talking about the release. 08:44.000 --> 08:48.000 I played these guys before, where they're Wednesday's song, it's a slack stream. 08:48.000 --> 08:51.000 Sun again, we'll shine. 08:51.000 --> 08:53.000 And they can't be music, right? 08:53.000 --> 08:55.000 It makes you want to smile. 08:57.000 --> 08:59.000 In fact, I am smiling. 08:59.000 --> 09:11.000 We're slowly lost in weight, and you'll ignore talking straight. 09:11.000 --> 12:00.000 [ Music ] 12:00.000 --> 12:10.000 When the world's been rushing me, oh, about this time. 12:11.000 --> 12:12.000 The slack street. 12:12.000 --> 12:14.000 It's on again, well, shine. 12:14.000 --> 12:15.000 And you know it. 12:15.000 --> 12:16.000 Shine it again today. 12:16.000 --> 12:18.000 And the affluent suburb of Surrey. 12:18.000 --> 12:20.000 Known as Kielfitt. 12:22.000 --> 12:23.000 Okay. 12:23.000 --> 12:26.000 So you can hear the fan in the background, by the way. 12:26.000 --> 12:27.000 It's not as hot as it was. 12:27.000 --> 12:30.000 We're kind of past the heat wave, but it's still up there. 12:30.000 --> 12:37.000 And of course, my room with all the equipment captures all the heat and just kind of holds it all day long. 12:37.000 --> 12:43.000 So Friday morning, we woke up on time, kind of in a days, obviously, and got dressed, 12:43.000 --> 12:47.000 checked out the hotel, went off to the airport. 12:47.000 --> 12:52.000 The wing commander was, well, now, I need another 50 hour inspection. 12:52.000 --> 12:55.000 Which show, wing commander William does for me and Antwerp. 12:55.000 --> 12:58.000 So that was pretty convenient, because he just fly over and then he'd fly the aircraft back. 12:58.000 --> 12:59.000 He'd get it fixed. 12:59.000 --> 13:02.000 And then sometime next weekend, whenever he'll come, they'll come over. 13:02.000 --> 13:06.000 He'll bring it back and then I'll bring it back and then I'll fly back home and then it's done. 13:06.000 --> 13:12.000 It's a little bit of logistics, but at the end of the day, lots of good flying when we go through these exercises. 13:12.000 --> 13:17.000 And it's maintained by someone I trust implicitly, which is probably the most important part, 13:17.000 --> 13:19.000 and who trained me how to fly. 13:19.000 --> 13:21.000 The helicopter, as well as fixed wing. 13:21.000 --> 13:23.000 So he was going to show up at 11. 13:23.000 --> 13:27.000 We were going to do wheels up at 11, which between William and I mean, 13:27.000 --> 13:32.000 see at 5, 2, 11, and I'll have the aircraft pre-flighted checked ready to go, loaded, etc. 13:33.000 --> 13:36.000 I kind of love this aircraft so much, the Delta Sierra. 13:36.000 --> 13:41.000 I haven't done the thing I've talked about it in a while, but it's a Session 182, 13:41.000 --> 13:45.000 which is really, if you just look at it, I'd say, oh, it's one of those kind of look, 13:45.000 --> 13:52.000 this sporty airplanes, but people who know, it's much bigger than a 172, 13:52.000 --> 13:58.000 and really can take a full set of luggage, even with two women in the family here. 13:59.000 --> 14:02.000 We were able to get all the luggage in, no problem, it's nice and comfortable, 14:02.000 --> 14:07.000 a full-auto pilot, an IFR, you can fly in any conditions, and it's very fast for a 14:07.000 --> 14:10.000 certainly for a single-engine aircraft. 14:10.000 --> 14:17.000 So I went out, unlocked the plane, it was at the Rotterdam Jet Center, I got all the luggage in. 14:17.000 --> 14:24.000 And there's something you do, by the way, that is really 100% drilled into me for safety. 14:25.000 --> 14:30.000 Whenever you have the keys to an aircraft near the aircraft, you always put them up on the dashboard, 14:30.000 --> 14:36.000 so that particularly with the piston engine aircraft, or really only with the piston engine aircraft, I guess, 14:36.000 --> 14:43.000 because even though the master switch isn't on, if the key is in the ignition, it's just like a car. 14:43.000 --> 14:48.000 If the key is in the ignition, or even a short without the key being in the ignition quite honestly, 14:48.000 --> 14:53.000 but it will happen with the key in there, if it's even clicked one little notch to the right, 14:53.000 --> 14:59.000 if someone were to touch the prop and turn it, or maybe pushing back the aircraft, it could actually fire up and start, 14:59.000 --> 15:01.000 and that could have disastrous results. 15:01.000 --> 15:05.000 So it's really amongst engineers, predominantly, that this has been drilled into me, 15:05.000 --> 15:09.000 so that, of course, is from William, is whenever you got the keys, put them on the dashboard, 15:09.000 --> 15:13.000 so everyone around that aircraft knows, it can't just fire up by accident. 15:13.000 --> 15:16.000 It's a safety thing, so it's drilled into me. 15:16.000 --> 15:20.000 So I pre-flighted everything, actually added two courts of oil. 15:20.000 --> 15:28.000 This was the last time around the mineral oil, it's now getting its whole new lubrication system, whatever that's for another day. 15:28.000 --> 15:35.000 And William showed up, and so we all hop into the aircraft, and this is, you know, it's the Rotterdam Jet Center, 15:35.000 --> 15:42.000 which is really where all huge private jets come in, so we're kind of small compared to all the other guys, 15:42.000 --> 15:46.000 but it is, you know, it's, they've got the luxury lounge and everything, and you pay for it, 15:46.000 --> 15:50.000 but it, it does make you feel pretty good and important, you know, you walk right out to the airplane, 15:50.000 --> 15:54.000 and people accompany you and carry your bags and help you win, and do anything you need. 15:54.000 --> 15:58.000 They remove your chocks and, you know, the stuff that the two blocks of wood that, 15:58.000 --> 16:02.000 keep your aircraft from rolling, it's a full service outfit. 16:02.000 --> 16:04.000 And I reach for the keys, and they're not there, and I say to William, 16:04.000 --> 16:08.000 it's okay, very funny, you know, he'll do this, he'll do all kinds of stuff like this. 16:08.000 --> 16:12.000 That's a part of the ongoing education, you know, in, like in the middle of the flight, he'll 16:12.000 --> 16:18.000 secretly turn off the autopilot and then see how I respond, and it's all basically responding to situations, etc. 16:18.000 --> 16:22.000 So it's a very funny William give me the keys, you know, usually don't last more than 30 seconds, 16:22.000 --> 16:26.000 these practical jokes, because I don't have him, and I knew he didn't have him. 16:26.000 --> 16:32.000 Well, let me tell you, in short, the keys that I know where I always put them, 16:32.000 --> 16:39.000 we're gone, and, and we search for an hour and a half, including unloading the entire aircraft, 16:39.000 --> 16:42.000 we went through trash cans, put hands and toilet bowls. 16:42.000 --> 16:45.000 I mean, everything we could do to find these keys, and they were unfindable. 16:45.000 --> 16:49.000 And let me tell you, when you've got that whole legs, luxury set up and everything, 16:49.000 --> 16:54.000 it's like standing at the side of the road with your Ferrari, because you ran out of gas. 16:54.000 --> 16:57.000 I mean, it's really stupid and embarrassing. 16:57.000 --> 17:02.000 And well, luckily, William knew how to get a spare key up to the airport, 17:02.000 --> 17:06.000 so we finally got back, and then when I got back, I was like, okay, 17:06.000 --> 17:08.000 I'm going to have a cup of tea and jump right into it. 17:08.000 --> 17:11.000 I know Ron was already doing stuff, and he was online. 17:11.000 --> 17:16.000 And San Francisco was up and about as if some of them had not even slept, I believe. 17:16.000 --> 17:19.000 The site was live at this point, and of course, 17:19.000 --> 17:22.000 has all kinds of stuff being worked out, all kinds of little things, 17:22.000 --> 17:27.000 and some medium things, and a couple of big things, one of which is that, 17:27.000 --> 17:34.000 you know, I popped up in my browser only to see that I was evil. 17:35.000 --> 17:41.000 And that I was a hijacker, and stealing feeds, and being a bad dude. 17:41.000 --> 17:45.000 And there's a couple of ways I could have gone at that point, 17:45.000 --> 17:49.000 but I definitely looked towards the heavens and said, okay, mom, 17:49.000 --> 17:54.000 give me some fucking strength now, because now we're in for a ride. 17:54.000 --> 17:59.000 And you know what, I think, well, actually what I want to do is, 17:59.000 --> 18:03.000 and I desperately want to do a dev cast with a couple, 18:03.000 --> 18:07.000 like a Skype with a couple of folks from Pod Show HQ, 18:07.000 --> 18:11.000 who've been working so hard just to, even while they continue to fix stuff, 18:11.000 --> 18:13.000 just to talk to him, but everyone was so, so slammed, 18:13.000 --> 18:16.000 but that's what we'll get into all the real nitty gritty stuff. 18:16.000 --> 18:19.000 But for now, I do want to explain to you just a little bit about what happened, 18:19.000 --> 18:22.000 what the perception was, and what the reality was. 18:22.000 --> 18:35.000 And for 10 foils, 10 foils had moments, 10 foils, 10 foils, 10 foils, 10 foils had moments. 18:35.000 --> 18:41.000 And now it's time for the 10 foils have moment. 18:41.000 --> 18:43.000 The Jeff Smith, everybody. 18:43.000 --> 18:45.000 Thank you very much, buddy. 18:45.000 --> 18:50.000 Jeff Smith, the Jeff Smith.com G-E-O-F-F for the Jeff. 18:50.000 --> 18:53.000 It's a 10 foils have moment, that's right. 18:53.000 --> 19:01.000 So, let me just explain what the word out there on the internet was, 19:01.000 --> 19:06.000 and then what really happened, and how we addressed it, and what the real issues were. 19:06.000 --> 19:13.000 So, as you know, Pod Castile is a part of the Pod Show family, 19:13.000 --> 19:17.000 and IndiePotter.org, and so these are huge directories. 19:17.000 --> 19:22.000 And we obviously depopulate the Pod Show plus experience, 19:22.000 --> 19:27.000 so people can find stuff where we have, I think, a very good search, 19:27.000 --> 19:28.000 which we're still working on. 19:28.000 --> 19:31.000 It's not quite there yet, but it's getting very close. 19:31.000 --> 19:36.000 All kinds of ways to integrate within the system. 19:36.000 --> 19:42.000 We pull all of the information in basically from the original RSS feed, 19:42.000 --> 19:44.000 the podcast feed, if you will. 19:44.000 --> 19:53.000 And just like any other, anyone else who wants to do anything with that information, 19:53.000 --> 19:59.000 you basically have to have a local copy because the reliability of external feeds 19:59.000 --> 20:01.000 is just not that high. 20:01.000 --> 20:05.000 And so when we have the information, we want to hold on to that. 20:05.000 --> 20:08.000 For at least 15 minutes or until it's requested again, 20:08.000 --> 20:12.000 so that we can do all kinds of stuff like it, like give you simple ways to add it to channels, 20:12.000 --> 20:15.000 to share it with people, to feed back information, 20:15.000 --> 20:18.000 so there has to be some kind of consistency. 20:18.000 --> 20:24.000 So we basically cash that, no different from what iTunes does. 20:24.000 --> 20:29.000 Now, what we actually went a couple of steps, 20:29.000 --> 20:31.000 well, let me see, let me back up a second. 20:31.000 --> 20:33.000 No, no, I have to go all the way through. 20:33.000 --> 20:35.000 So if you were to look for any show, 20:35.000 --> 20:39.000 and it doesn't necessarily have to be a Pod Show podcast, 20:39.000 --> 20:43.000 remember, this site is built for audience members and for listeners. 20:43.000 --> 20:45.000 You go searching for the show, 20:45.000 --> 20:48.000 and then you'll find a couple different ways to play the show. 20:48.000 --> 20:52.000 You can click play it, which will fire up our, 20:52.000 --> 20:54.000 our dashboard, our player. 20:54.000 --> 20:56.000 I'm more about that later on, 20:56.000 --> 21:00.000 which basically gives you a way to play an episode, 21:00.000 --> 21:02.000 but also look at everything else in the feed, 21:02.000 --> 21:03.000 or if it's a part of a channel, 21:03.000 --> 21:05.000 you can look at what's coming up next, 21:05.000 --> 21:06.000 and you can jump ahead to stuff. 21:06.000 --> 21:09.000 So there's lots of things going on in there, 21:09.000 --> 21:11.000 but something that I actually like very much 21:11.000 --> 21:14.000 is we're also transcoding the feed, 21:14.000 --> 21:17.000 excuse me, since say this, and say a moment, 21:17.000 --> 21:21.000 brought you all about Apple.podshow.com, 21:21.000 --> 21:24.000 a new site I saw pop up. 21:24.000 --> 21:28.000 We give you a way to play it in Windows Media Player, 21:28.000 --> 21:30.000 which actually works very well. 21:30.000 --> 21:33.000 I'm amazed, also a real player or Winamp, 21:33.000 --> 21:35.000 and then we have an XML button, 21:35.000 --> 21:38.000 which means, hey, here's the raw data, 21:38.000 --> 21:41.000 you can put this into any kind of aggregator or player 21:41.000 --> 21:42.000 that you want to. 21:42.000 --> 21:44.000 So those four buttons, if you will, 21:44.000 --> 21:46.000 or five, actually I think iTunes is there as well. 21:46.000 --> 21:49.000 So those five buttons are all lined up next to each other, 21:49.000 --> 21:50.000 and then underneath it there's a play button 21:50.000 --> 21:52.000 for to play it in our dashboard. 21:52.000 --> 21:54.000 And all of those, of course, 21:54.000 --> 21:56.000 work on this internal copy that we have 21:56.000 --> 21:58.000 the most recent copy of the show, 21:58.000 --> 22:01.000 which is the only way we can reliably produce 22:01.000 --> 22:04.000 a good experience for someone who just wants to listen to the show. 22:04.000 --> 22:07.000 It's that simple. 22:07.000 --> 22:09.000 And what of course should have happened 22:09.000 --> 22:12.000 is the link underneath the orange on white XML button, 22:12.000 --> 22:16.000 which by me is still the standard RSS button. 22:16.000 --> 22:19.000 I know we have this kind of like that Firefox logo 22:19.000 --> 22:22.000 thingy that now it means RSS, 22:22.000 --> 22:25.000 but I'm still kind of old school when it comes to that. 22:25.000 --> 22:29.000 And so that of course should be directly linked to the original, 22:29.000 --> 22:33.000 which contains all the original information, 22:33.000 --> 22:36.000 no added bits from us, the original copyrights, et cetera. 22:36.000 --> 22:38.000 But because we have these internal feeds, 22:38.000 --> 22:41.000 and this is completely a mistake on our part. 22:41.000 --> 22:42.000 It's not a bug. 22:42.000 --> 22:44.000 This is funny because people were saying, 22:44.000 --> 22:46.000 oh, well, it can't be a bug. 22:46.000 --> 22:47.000 Well, no, wasn't a bug. 22:47.000 --> 22:49.000 It was a dumb mistake, you know, just, 22:49.000 --> 22:50.000 it slipped through. 22:50.000 --> 22:53.000 So instead of linking to the external feed, 22:53.000 --> 22:54.000 it linked to the internal feed. 22:54.000 --> 22:59.000 But what was interesting is that a number of people 22:59.000 --> 23:02.000 who are in the podcast community immediately jumped 23:02.000 --> 23:05.000 on this and said, you know, your thieves, your stealing, 23:05.000 --> 23:08.000 you're taking our feed and, and stripping out copyright. 23:08.000 --> 23:10.000 Well, no, I mean, we're not stripping out copyright. 23:10.000 --> 23:11.000 It was just an internal feed. 23:11.000 --> 23:13.000 That's why it's at NA. 23:13.000 --> 23:17.000 It's just like a zero under the copyright link 23:17.000 --> 23:19.000 in our internal feed. 23:19.000 --> 23:20.000 It has different information. 23:20.000 --> 23:23.000 It's not your original feed, which, yeah, I mean, 23:23.000 --> 23:27.000 if we're going to republish that as your feed, 23:27.000 --> 23:29.000 that would be completely wrong. 23:29.000 --> 23:30.000 And by the way, we've also gone back 23:30.000 --> 23:33.000 and fixed the Windows media, the real player, 23:33.000 --> 23:38.000 and the iTunes as well as the, the Winamp feed. 23:38.000 --> 23:40.000 So they reflect all the original information. 23:40.000 --> 23:44.000 It was just, as I said, on my web blog, 23:44.000 --> 23:46.000 it was just a mistake, you know, 23:46.000 --> 23:49.000 it, it, QA said, hey, it all works. 23:49.000 --> 23:51.000 Well, of course, but, you know, you had to check 23:51.000 --> 23:52.000 down a couple bits lower. 23:52.000 --> 23:56.000 And again, with all the moving pieces, it slipped through. 23:56.000 --> 23:58.000 Now, no, and now, there are only a few people. 23:58.000 --> 24:00.000 It was nice to see you said, hey, you know, 24:00.000 --> 24:02.000 maybe this is just an honest mistake. 24:02.000 --> 24:04.000 And that's really where, you know, 24:04.000 --> 24:06.000 you see what people are really made of 24:06.000 --> 24:08.000 when they come out and say, 24:08.000 --> 24:10.000 you know, this is not unintentional. 24:10.000 --> 24:12.000 You know, curries way too smart for this. 24:12.000 --> 24:16.000 You know, this is clearly, since they couldn't steal 24:16.000 --> 24:18.000 our content with contracts, now they're doing it 24:18.000 --> 24:19.000 through our feeds. 24:19.000 --> 24:22.000 And just all these horrible, horrible things that were being said, 24:22.000 --> 24:24.000 when all that it took was, well, 24:24.000 --> 24:27.000 it actually was even more work than I expected it to be. 24:27.000 --> 24:31.000 Because this code hits five different places. 24:31.000 --> 24:33.000 And you've got to be careful when you're changing things 24:33.000 --> 24:35.000 and alive and, well, we have, of course, 24:35.000 --> 24:37.000 we have a development and data environments. 24:37.000 --> 24:39.000 But when you push something through, 24:39.000 --> 24:41.000 you just got to make sure it all works properly. 24:41.000 --> 24:43.000 And so it was a relatively simple change 24:43.000 --> 24:47.000 to just link back to the original feed. 24:47.000 --> 24:51.000 And with that, it all kind of went away. 24:51.000 --> 24:54.000 But boy, did I learn something about a few people? 24:54.000 --> 25:00.000 Even people who I know have professionally released web services. 25:00.000 --> 25:03.000 You know, this is not just a product that we put in a box. 25:03.000 --> 25:05.000 You know, and there's a whole different level of testing 25:05.000 --> 25:08.000 that goes on with a product that gets put in a box 25:08.000 --> 25:10.000 and shipped out or downloaded and run. 25:10.000 --> 25:12.000 I mean, this is something that is continuously morphing. 25:12.000 --> 25:15.000 The data is the data that the users and, in this case, 25:15.000 --> 25:18.000 audience members and podcasters have flowing 25:18.000 --> 25:20.000 through the veins of the system. 25:20.000 --> 25:23.000 So there's a lot of variables that you can hit. 25:23.000 --> 25:26.000 A lot of people do some incredibly interesting things, 25:26.000 --> 25:27.000 which guess what? 25:27.000 --> 25:31.000 They don't always conform to what technologists and engineers expect. 25:31.000 --> 25:34.000 And so we're learning to come closer together. 25:34.000 --> 25:36.000 And that's working quite well. 25:36.000 --> 25:39.000 But for these people who know how, if you really look at it, 25:39.000 --> 25:41.000 you can see, oh wait a minute, yeah, I see what happened. 25:41.000 --> 25:46.000 These guys put all these internal feeds into these other player options. 25:46.000 --> 25:50.000 And then they just put the external feed underneath the XML button, 25:50.000 --> 25:54.000 which if anyone had just said, hey, you should just link to our, 25:54.000 --> 25:57.000 to the original feed, and it would have been okay. 25:57.000 --> 25:59.000 You know, but all the screaming and yelling, 25:59.000 --> 26:01.000 which actually worked quite in our favor, 26:01.000 --> 26:03.000 because, and some people even, 26:03.000 --> 26:05.000 weren't even accusing me of this being the plan, 26:05.000 --> 26:08.000 like trying cause controversy immediately. 26:08.000 --> 26:10.000 So we were like, number two on Technoradi, 26:10.000 --> 26:12.000 which is amazing. 26:12.000 --> 26:15.000 And of course, because of all that, this unleash, 26:15.000 --> 26:17.000 although I certainly was talking it up on the Charlie, 26:17.000 --> 26:19.000 you know, there was no press release that went out. 26:19.000 --> 26:21.000 This was just to go live and get it going, 26:21.000 --> 26:24.000 but there were so many people in the system at this time, 26:24.000 --> 26:27.000 several hundred that it became a much bigger deal. 26:27.000 --> 26:31.000 And, you know, we're our data center as all modularly built. 26:31.000 --> 26:36.000 So, you know, you find out pretty quickly how many simultaneous users 26:36.000 --> 26:37.000 you can handle on one box. 26:37.000 --> 26:40.000 And so, man, we brought on six extra boxes. 26:40.000 --> 26:42.000 So that was really good. 26:42.000 --> 26:45.000 And now that things have stabilized, you know, 26:45.000 --> 26:48.000 some things have been temporarily shut off or don't work, 26:48.000 --> 26:50.000 but in general, everything is there. 26:50.000 --> 26:52.000 And I'm using it and loving it, 26:52.000 --> 26:57.000 because we built this as audience members. 26:57.000 --> 27:01.000 You know, this is how Andrew Grumman and I worked 27:01.000 --> 27:05.000 in the early days when he was doing lemon. 27:05.000 --> 27:08.000 And with many, many different teams, you know, 27:08.000 --> 27:10.000 really from an audience perspective, and hey, you know, 27:10.000 --> 27:13.000 yeah, let's look at the image instead of the text links. 27:13.000 --> 27:16.000 And why don't we look at things horizontally instead of vertically. 27:16.000 --> 27:19.000 And I'm using it, and I'm really, really enjoying it. 27:19.000 --> 27:22.000 And I'm liking all the, I'm not a my space guy 27:22.000 --> 27:24.000 or a real social network person. 27:24.000 --> 27:28.000 Yeah, and a couple of porn sites, but, you know. 27:28.000 --> 27:31.000 But I'm seeing a lot of value in it. 27:31.000 --> 27:32.000 I really am. 27:32.000 --> 27:35.000 And I encourage you to go to dailysourcecode.com. 27:35.000 --> 27:37.000 And leave a comment. 27:37.000 --> 27:39.000 You know, you can dig the show. 27:39.000 --> 27:41.000 You can create a channel. 27:41.000 --> 27:45.000 You can interact with other listeners to the Charlie. 27:45.000 --> 27:48.000 And sign up and let's have some fun. 27:48.000 --> 27:49.000 And come up with ideas. 27:49.000 --> 27:50.000 Will you please? 27:50.000 --> 27:51.000 Because this is just the beginning. 27:51.000 --> 27:53.000 This is just the baseline barrier to entry. 27:53.000 --> 27:55.000 There's so many incredible things. 27:55.000 --> 27:57.000 Just even playing around with the system. 27:57.000 --> 27:59.000 Come up with great ideas. 27:59.000 --> 28:01.000 You know. 28:01.000 --> 28:04.000 Uh, this is just a shit load. 28:04.000 --> 28:06.000 A lot of stuff. 28:06.000 --> 28:09.000 Um, so, uh, let's see. 28:09.000 --> 28:12.000 Yeah, that went until about two o'clock this morning. 28:12.000 --> 28:14.000 And, uh, then I went to bed. 28:14.000 --> 28:16.000 And this morning I got up. 28:16.000 --> 28:18.000 And I could really see that everything was stable. 28:18.000 --> 28:21.000 And, uh, and now we can really start moving forward. 28:21.000 --> 28:24.000 Uh, creating, uh, and, you know, just an example. 28:24.000 --> 28:25.000 The, the player that you're seeing. 28:25.000 --> 28:27.000 Now we call it the bubble player. 28:27.000 --> 28:29.000 Uh, it is not what we intended to release with. 28:29.000 --> 28:31.000 Or unleash with. 28:31.000 --> 28:35.000 It's, uh, it's really just, uh, almost an engineering technical design. 28:35.000 --> 28:36.000 You know. 28:36.000 --> 28:41.000 So there's, there's a new player, which will be coming in the next couple of days. 28:41.000 --> 28:44.000 Um, you already see some of the functionality in there. 28:44.000 --> 28:48.000 You know, if you're listening to a show that you just find somewhere within the network, 28:48.000 --> 28:51.000 you can add it to your channels really easily right from the player. 28:51.000 --> 28:54.000 You can, uh, fire up entire channels from the player. 28:54.000 --> 28:58.000 It really, it becomes, uh, an interface you can use with just the, 28:58.000 --> 29:03.000 the, the, the play out, uh, bits, uh, that you, uh, that you, uh, that you would want. 29:03.000 --> 29:07.000 But you can also get the functionality without going to the larger site itself, 29:07.000 --> 29:09.000 or going into your account. 29:10.000 --> 29:11.000 Uh, good. 29:11.000 --> 29:12.000 So there you have it. 29:12.000 --> 29:13.000 Uh, we're cruising along. 29:13.000 --> 29:17.000 Lots of stuff to, lots of stuff to deal with and lots of stuff to work on. 29:17.000 --> 29:24.000 And I, once again, I want to thank everybody at, uh, at Pod Show for just a bang-up job. 29:24.000 --> 29:29.000 And for working so hard through your holiday weekend, uh, you know, 29:29.000 --> 29:31.000 and people jump in to help out. 29:31.000 --> 29:34.000 And of course, so congratulations to Richard Brueher, 29:34.000 --> 29:39.000 and, uh, and his lovely wife, Ali, um, who on the 4th of July, um, 29:39.000 --> 29:43.000 just near the very end there on the day of our, the official day of our unleashed, 29:43.000 --> 29:46.000 uh, unhead, uh, an unleashed of their cell, their own. 29:46.000 --> 29:52.000 Uh, Addison Brueher, hey, is now welcome, uh, to the family, a beautiful baby girl, 29:52.000 --> 29:54.000 six pounds, two ounces, I think, uh, 29:54.000 --> 29:58.000 guess everyone's back home already, and, uh, 29:58.000 --> 30:00.000 oh, what's this? 30:00.000 --> 30:02.000 I got, is that an email for Patricia? 30:02.000 --> 30:06.000 My wife is emailing me. It's driving me nuts. 30:06.000 --> 30:10.000 From downstairs. She's probably emailing me houses. 30:10.000 --> 30:16.000 Um, yeah, everybody thanks, and particularly thank you for being so patient. 30:16.000 --> 30:22.000 I know we had a lot of hiccups with, uh, with registration emails and, and all kinds of stuff. 30:22.000 --> 30:25.000 Um, in general, everyone was just really irritated, 30:25.000 --> 30:28.000 but extremely nice about it and understanding, and, uh, 30:28.000 --> 30:31.000 and I think that we're paying it off now that you're able to get in. 30:31.000 --> 30:35.000 Okay, let's play another song, and, uh, 30:35.000 --> 30:37.000 then we'll close down this up there. 30:38.750 --> 33:12.000 [ Music ] 33:12.000 --> 33:22.000 Maybe you mean everything to me, everything to me, everything to me. 33:23.000 --> 33:26.000 Broken Jair from Kansas and listed on the Podsame Music Network. 33:26.000 --> 33:30.000 You'll find links and show notes at dailysourcecode.com. 33:30.000 --> 33:36.000 You probably noticed depending on how you're listening to the show that I still have the American flag butterfly in my podcast picture. 33:36.000 --> 33:38.000 I'm going to leave that up for a couple more days. 33:38.000 --> 33:42.000 You know by now that my mom was nuts about butterflies. 33:42.000 --> 33:49.000 Of course, everybody, as I told you, took a butterfly out of her box and wore it during the party, 33:49.000 --> 33:53.000 also during the cremation, of course. 33:53.000 --> 33:59.000 My mom was nuts about butterflies and it's almost like magical. 33:59.000 --> 34:05.000 You see her pass away in the time where butterflies are just coming to life. 34:05.000 --> 34:09.000 They only live for a week or two weeks and they're all over the place. 34:09.000 --> 34:14.000 Whenever I see a butterfly, it's really easy and nice and comforting for me to think about my mom. 34:14.000 --> 34:19.000 And for those of you who knew her and those of you who know her or knew her, 34:19.000 --> 34:23.000 by Cariously through the source code, I'd like you to think about that as well. 34:23.000 --> 34:25.000 Next time you see a butterfly, think about my mom. 34:25.000 --> 34:26.000 Okay, everybody. 34:26.000 --> 34:27.000 There might be an update tomorrow. 34:27.000 --> 34:30.000 Lots of stuff happening in London this week. 34:30.000 --> 34:32.000 So I hope to bring you up to speed on that. 34:32.000 --> 34:33.000 As I said, Ron's here. 34:33.000 --> 34:39.000 So certainly busy Monday and Tuesday and we'll be preparing for stuff tomorrow in London. 34:39.000 --> 34:44.000 And also, I hope you had time to stop and think about to 777, 34:44.000 --> 34:46.000 which was the 7th of July. 34:46.000 --> 34:49.000 The one year anniversary of the bombings in London, 34:49.000 --> 34:51.000 a hard spot to those people as well. 34:51.000 --> 34:52.000 Hey, everybody. 34:52.000 --> 34:55.000 I'll see you on podshow.com on the plus side. 34:55.000 --> 34:56.000 Bye-bye. 34:56.000 --> 34:58.000 Another podshow podcast. 34:58.000 --> 35:00.000 Stick it in your ear. 35:00.000 --> 35:09.000 Get this podcast and we're great ones like it on the high performance podcast 35:09.000 --> 35:13.000 delivery network from Podshow and line-white networks. 35:13.000 --> 35:14.000 I love it.