WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.440 This podcast is brought to you by Pod Show and GoDaddy. 00:06.440 --> 00:09.440 What killer content with a bad ass domain name? 00:09.440 --> 00:20.080 This show will give you a special code to get great discounts at GoDaddy.com. 00:20.080 --> 00:22.760 Dildesiro Charlie 4.5 Niner 00:22.760 --> 00:24.280 No, no, no, you think it is. 00:24.280 --> 00:26.800 If the Dildesiro Charlie 4.5 Niner. 00:26.800 --> 00:27.800 Yeah, no. 00:27.800 --> 00:28.800 With the very nice Adam Curry. 00:28.880 --> 00:29.640 Don't like him. 00:29.640 --> 00:31.520 And sometimes the lovely Patricia Pi. 00:31.520 --> 00:32.880 Nice Terts. 00:32.880 --> 00:36.640 Dildesiro Charlie 4.5 Niner. 00:36.640 --> 00:38.240 But forget that number. 00:38.240 --> 00:42.040 This is the first Charlie of the rest of your life. 00:43.040 --> 00:47.040 With $16 million worth of airplane strapped to my ass. 00:47.040 --> 00:50.040 And the next generation radio content in my ears. 00:50.040 --> 00:56.040 I like to think I'm flying into the future. 00:58.040 --> 00:59.040 Hey, everybody. 00:59.040 --> 01:01.040 It is the Daily Source Code. 01:01.040 --> 01:02.040 That's a surprise. 01:02.040 --> 01:03.040 Wait a minute. 01:03.040 --> 01:05.040 No Pod Safe Song to start off the show. 01:05.040 --> 01:06.040 That's right. 01:06.040 --> 01:07.040 Because we're going to do something different today. 01:07.040 --> 01:11.040 While the entire world I'm sure is talking about September the 11th. 01:11.040 --> 01:18.040 We're going to talk about stupid stuff on Skype from Portland. 01:18.040 --> 01:19.040 Portland. 01:19.040 --> 01:20.040 Portland. 01:20.040 --> 01:21.040 Portland. 01:21.040 --> 01:24.040 It's my friend Ken Clark. 01:24.040 --> 01:25.040 Kenster J. 01:25.040 --> 01:30.040 Who I haven't spoken to in what can a year. 01:30.040 --> 01:31.040 Do I? 01:31.040 --> 01:32.040 Am I on? 01:32.040 --> 01:33.040 It's working. 01:33.040 --> 01:34.040 It's working. 01:34.040 --> 01:35.040 You're on, baby. 01:35.040 --> 01:36.040 You're fine. 01:36.040 --> 01:39.040 He had to teach me how to use the new version of Skype. 01:39.040 --> 01:40.040 It had been a while. 01:40.040 --> 01:41.040 It's been so long. 01:41.040 --> 01:44.040 I don't have the latest version of Skype months. 01:44.040 --> 01:45.040 Six months, maybe. 01:45.040 --> 01:46.040 Yeah. 01:46.040 --> 01:48.040 Well, of course, we've had some email contact. 01:48.040 --> 01:50.040 Actually, I tried calling yourself phone last night. 01:50.040 --> 01:52.040 Because I thought that yesterday was Sunday. 01:52.040 --> 01:53.040 Silly me. 01:53.040 --> 01:55.040 I was going to bust you up. 01:55.040 --> 01:57.040 And I don't know what number I have. 01:57.040 --> 02:01.040 But I got like some answering machine that was in Spanish. 02:01.040 --> 02:03.040 That would not have been mine. 02:03.040 --> 02:07.040 Well, no, but the person who I called was nice enough to call back. 02:08.040 --> 02:10.040 I guess I got my number from caller ID. 02:10.040 --> 02:13.040 And I'm like, hello. 02:13.040 --> 02:14.040 Hello. 02:14.040 --> 02:16.040 No, no, no, no, no. 02:16.040 --> 02:19.040 What's your name? 02:19.040 --> 02:20.040 Come on. 02:20.040 --> 02:21.040 Go ahead. 02:21.040 --> 02:22.040 Tell me. 02:22.040 --> 02:23.040 You can't pretend. 02:23.040 --> 02:25.040 No, Ken Clark. 02:25.040 --> 02:26.040 No, Ken Clark. 02:26.040 --> 02:27.040 No, Ken Clark. 02:27.040 --> 02:29.040 A little background on Ken. 02:29.040 --> 02:36.040 For those of you who joined the daily source code in the past six months, I guess. 02:36.040 --> 02:43.040 Like Ken and I go way back to when I first started MTV in 1987. 02:43.040 --> 02:44.040 87. 02:44.040 --> 02:45.040 87. 02:45.040 --> 02:46.040 Yes. 02:46.040 --> 02:48.040 Ken was the director of on air talent. 02:48.040 --> 02:50.040 Well, is it was that the title, Ken? 02:50.040 --> 02:52.040 Or was it at that point? 02:52.040 --> 02:55.040 I think I was like the VGA coordinator. 02:55.040 --> 02:56.040 Right. 02:56.040 --> 02:59.040 The director ship probably came later. 02:59.040 --> 03:00.040 Yeah. 03:00.040 --> 03:01.040 It's like, give me my coffee. 03:01.040 --> 03:02.040 Ken bitch. 03:02.040 --> 03:03.040 Now. 03:03.040 --> 03:06.040 But Ken had already been there for what five or six years before. 03:06.040 --> 03:07.040 I even got there. 03:07.040 --> 03:08.040 Ken. 03:08.040 --> 03:12.040 I started in New Year's Eve, 1984 and 1984. 03:12.040 --> 03:13.040 Okay. 03:13.040 --> 03:14.040 So three years. 03:14.040 --> 03:15.040 Three years. 03:15.040 --> 03:16.040 Good. 03:16.040 --> 03:17.040 Yeah. 03:17.040 --> 03:21.040 And over the past two years on the daily source code from time to time, 03:21.040 --> 03:24.040 Ken and I will catch up for something called the MTV Chronicles. 03:24.040 --> 03:29.040 And we'll just, you know, talk about some crap about old times. 03:29.040 --> 03:34.040 And I think sometimes it has something to do with MTV, sometimes it doesn't. 03:34.040 --> 03:35.040 That's true. 03:35.040 --> 03:38.040 Well, in this case. 03:38.040 --> 03:39.040 Right. 03:39.040 --> 03:42.040 In this case, there are actually two reasons for us to do another MTV Chronicles. 03:42.040 --> 03:45.040 Although it will also be just kind of an update in general. 03:45.040 --> 03:52.040 The first one was the 25th anniversary of MTV, which of course passed by very silently from the MTV side. 03:52.040 --> 03:58.040 And Ken is much more ingrained in the MTV alumni community. 03:58.040 --> 04:01.040 I've, I've no one ever emailed me. 04:01.040 --> 04:02.040 I'm completely shunned. 04:02.040 --> 04:06.040 The alumni, the alumni mailing list. 04:06.040 --> 04:08.040 There was a five year cut off. 04:08.040 --> 04:12.040 If you were with MTV within the first five years, you made the list. 04:12.040 --> 04:13.040 Oh, really? 04:13.040 --> 04:15.040 Oh, I didn't know that. 04:15.040 --> 04:16.040 Okay. 04:16.040 --> 04:17.040 And I, I was in there. 04:17.040 --> 04:19.040 I started out in a three and a half, four years in. 04:19.040 --> 04:23.040 So I, you were just on the other side of the cut off for the alumni list. 04:23.040 --> 04:27.040 You know, it's so often that I'll read in the, in a newspaper or in an, 04:27.040 --> 04:30.040 in any kind of mainstream publication, you know, Adam Curry, 04:30.040 --> 04:32.040 one of the first VJs. 04:32.040 --> 04:35.040 I'm like, man, you know, first of all, obviously they're not doing research, 04:35.040 --> 04:40.040 but it must really bug like the original guys that, you know, 04:40.040 --> 04:42.040 I don't know if any of them care anymore. 04:42.040 --> 04:43.040 Yeah, of course they do. 04:43.040 --> 04:44.040 Of course they do. 04:44.040 --> 04:48.040 They're pretty laid back about it. 04:48.040 --> 04:52.040 Yeah, but I mean, you just like fuck, you know, it's just irritating. 04:52.040 --> 04:55.040 They could say early MTV VJ. 04:56.040 --> 04:58.040 And that would be relatively true. 04:58.040 --> 05:01.040 Yeah, but it's funny to think that, but if you look at 25 years, 05:01.040 --> 05:08.040 you were there from like five to 10 or 11 or 12 years into MTV's life. 05:08.040 --> 05:10.040 Yeah, you would have been an early MTV. 05:10.040 --> 05:14.040 Well, what happened was, just as I came into MTV, 05:14.040 --> 05:17.040 they were going to 40 million households. 05:17.040 --> 05:20.040 Remember, we still had to do a lot of sucking up to cable companies. 05:20.040 --> 05:23.040 We had to go blow them and go do like they were coming. 05:23.040 --> 05:27.040 They were going to send their grandchildren and their advertisers. 05:27.040 --> 05:30.040 Kids down to the studio to meet Adam Curry. 05:30.040 --> 05:32.040 Like there was some no redstone themselves. 05:32.040 --> 05:36.040 You know, they've got some some cable company in Botfuck. 05:36.040 --> 05:40.040 And like, you know, and at that point, they really were just like, 05:40.040 --> 05:42.040 cable, you know, trench diggers. 05:42.040 --> 05:44.040 Didn't we call them trench diggers, too, at the time? 05:44.040 --> 05:47.040 We got some more trench diggers coming through with a grand kid. 05:47.040 --> 05:48.040 Remember that? 05:48.040 --> 05:50.040 No, frankly. 05:50.040 --> 05:53.040 Oh, well, I remember that was the distribution at the time. 05:53.040 --> 05:56.040 I mean, I was like really important for MTV to get on basic cable. 05:56.040 --> 05:57.040 Remember that? 05:57.040 --> 05:58.040 It was. 05:58.040 --> 05:59.040 Because it was. 05:59.040 --> 06:03.040 A lot of cable companies said, now we're going to push you up into the premium packages. 06:03.040 --> 06:08.040 And I think it was for that very reason that MTV was so censored really. 06:08.040 --> 06:12.040 I mean, how careful did we have to be with anything? 06:12.040 --> 06:15.040 You couldn't offend anyone in the music industry, 06:15.040 --> 06:20.040 and he sponsored and certainly got someone in BF. 06:20.040 --> 06:22.040 Because then we might get thrown off of this. 06:22.040 --> 06:23.040 They did work. 06:23.040 --> 06:24.040 Very hard. 06:24.040 --> 06:29.040 And employed a whole bunch of people to ensure that MTV offended no one. 06:29.040 --> 06:31.040 Affiliate relations was always. 06:31.040 --> 06:32.040 Wasn't that it? 06:32.040 --> 06:33.040 Who were always calling down? 06:33.040 --> 06:37.040 Yeah, but there was also that the head censor Michelle von Thos. 06:37.040 --> 06:39.040 Oh, there's a forgotten about her. 06:39.040 --> 06:40.040 Yeah. 06:40.040 --> 06:41.040 The hammer. 06:41.040 --> 06:42.040 She would go through the lyrics, right? 06:42.040 --> 06:44.040 The lyrics of every single lyrics. 06:44.040 --> 06:45.040 The videos. 06:45.040 --> 06:48.040 She basically had the final say as to what the hammer. 06:48.040 --> 06:51.040 Is that what she was called the hammer? 06:51.040 --> 06:53.040 Michelle von Thos. 06:53.040 --> 06:54.040 The hammer. 06:54.040 --> 06:58.040 She's living out here at this point in the lovely Pacific Northwest. 06:58.040 --> 07:00.040 Is she no longer with MTV networks? 07:00.040 --> 07:01.040 Oh, no. 07:01.040 --> 07:02.040 No. 07:02.040 --> 07:03.040 She's not. 07:03.040 --> 07:06.040 She probably had a breakdown from that crap. 07:06.040 --> 07:09.040 I withhold all come in. 07:09.040 --> 07:10.040 Oh, really? 07:10.040 --> 07:11.040 Wait a minute. 07:12.040 --> 07:13.040 I don't know. 07:13.040 --> 07:14.040 I don't know. 07:14.040 --> 07:15.040 I really don't know. 07:15.040 --> 07:16.040 Oh, I know. 07:16.040 --> 07:20.040 I've got to rest a May one time at an advertising agency from someone named Michelle 07:20.040 --> 07:23.040 von Thos who had just relocated from New York. 07:23.040 --> 07:27.040 And obviously, she was no longer with the channel. 07:27.040 --> 07:30.040 She's no longer with the channel. 07:30.040 --> 07:31.040 Tom Fresher. 07:31.040 --> 07:32.040 No, there is Tom Fresher right. 07:32.040 --> 07:33.040 Yeah. 07:33.040 --> 07:36.040 So that was another reason for us to get on the honkers because well, 07:36.040 --> 07:39.040 we have lots of stories that we've actually withheld about Tom Fresher in the past. 07:39.040 --> 07:40.040 And of course, 07:40.040 --> 07:42.640 I'm not going to hold back any more now. 07:42.640 --> 07:45.960 Well, we'll talk about that in a second. 07:45.960 --> 07:47.560 I know the one you're thinking about. 07:47.560 --> 07:48.560 Yeah. 07:48.560 --> 07:49.560 We'll see if we get there. 07:49.560 --> 07:51.560 That's not a funny light story. 07:51.560 --> 07:53.560 And that's pretty heavy. 07:53.560 --> 07:56.560 No, it's not a light story. 07:56.560 --> 07:58.840 But I do have a funny time-pressed-in story. 07:58.840 --> 08:01.040 All right, hit me with the Tom Freston story first. 08:01.040 --> 08:04.880 Well, it's just, we were all, you know, let's just, let's just position this for a second 08:04.880 --> 08:08.840 because people may not even know what the hell is going on. 08:08.840 --> 08:18.520 Tom Freston was CEO of MTV Networks, which was MTV VH1 and Nickelodeon, from trying 08:18.520 --> 08:24.000 to think, wasn't John Reardon there before him? 08:24.000 --> 08:25.000 I don't know. 08:25.000 --> 08:29.000 I'll say there was the President of MTV and then he became the right, that's right. 08:29.000 --> 08:30.000 Now, he's the right. 08:30.000 --> 08:31.000 The network. 08:31.000 --> 08:32.000 Right, right. 08:32.000 --> 08:35.840 I don't remember where Reardon fell in there, but Reardon was a big mockery muck in the 08:35.840 --> 08:36.840 day as well. 08:36.840 --> 08:37.840 I don't know what happened. 08:37.840 --> 08:40.960 It's, um, and then my graph was graph. 08:40.960 --> 08:41.960 A graph. 08:41.960 --> 08:42.960 Yeah. 08:42.960 --> 08:44.560 So every time Freston moved up, my graph would be right. 08:44.560 --> 08:51.020 Now, Freston went to become a more respect for Judy McGrath than I did for Tom 08:51.020 --> 08:52.020 Freston. 08:52.020 --> 08:53.020 Well, exactly. 08:53.020 --> 08:56.480 So my point was going to be after a whole bunch of rap and with you as the Tom Freston, 08:56.480 --> 08:57.720 I was never impressed by him. 08:57.720 --> 09:00.720 I never thought he did anything intelligent for the channel. 09:00.720 --> 09:03.680 I thought he was just an accountant that sat up there and just like, you know, smoked 09:03.680 --> 09:04.840 dope with people. 09:04.840 --> 09:07.880 Didn't actually seem like he contributed to anything within the channel. 09:07.880 --> 09:14.240 Do you ever see him in any meeting of any significance ever, um, no, go ahead. 09:14.240 --> 09:18.280 On the rare occasion that I did, though he never knew who I was. 09:18.280 --> 09:20.080 I was with the channel for 10 years. 09:20.080 --> 09:21.080 That's right. 09:21.080 --> 09:22.080 Who's that guy? 09:22.080 --> 09:23.960 I know it was worse than that. 09:23.960 --> 09:27.720 And I was a director of honor director of honor talented at that point. 09:27.720 --> 09:31.400 And he would, why, we, we all, everybody just verified this to it. 09:31.400 --> 09:34.160 The MTV alumni reunion in New York that I had. 09:34.160 --> 09:37.560 And she's going to tell us about, yeah, we got, there's nothing scandalous, but yeah, 09:37.560 --> 09:38.920 I'll tell you about it. 09:38.920 --> 09:40.200 We just all got hammered. 09:40.200 --> 09:41.200 Uh-huh. 09:41.200 --> 09:45.680 And everybody was laughing because they remembered, Freston would walk into a room and he, he would 09:45.680 --> 09:47.280 say, well, hi, Adam, how are you? 09:47.280 --> 09:48.880 Hi, Bob, hi, hi, Dave. 09:48.880 --> 09:49.880 Hi, nice to see you. 09:49.880 --> 09:50.880 Hi. 09:50.880 --> 09:53.480 And he'd look at me and he'd say, and who the hell are you? 09:53.480 --> 09:56.120 Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. 09:56.120 --> 09:57.120 Every time. 09:57.120 --> 09:59.720 And that, and they'd say, well, this is Ken Clark. 09:59.720 --> 10:01.480 He's the director of honor talent. 10:01.480 --> 10:02.480 Oh, yeah, right. 10:02.480 --> 10:04.320 He's a hundred grand a year, Mr. Freston. 10:04.320 --> 10:05.320 Surely you know that. 10:05.320 --> 10:06.320 I know. 10:06.320 --> 10:11.120 He's just a human flash-wasting money. 10:11.120 --> 10:14.520 So then, you know, two weeks later, I bill hi, Dave, who said hello to you. 10:14.520 --> 10:16.360 I mean, and that went on for 10 years. 10:16.360 --> 10:17.920 Well, so anyway, so I remember how it went. 10:17.920 --> 10:23.960 I think Freston moved up as Frank Beyondy moved up to corporate. 10:23.960 --> 10:24.960 And I forgot about. 10:24.960 --> 10:25.960 Yeah. 10:25.960 --> 10:30.720 Oh, you know, I, I met his daughter the other day, beyondy's, beyondy's daughter is working 10:30.720 --> 10:31.720 at zero. 10:31.720 --> 10:34.680 Barbie, barbie, barbie, barbie, beyondy. 10:34.680 --> 10:37.320 She doesn't show now with Martha Stewart's daughter. 10:37.320 --> 10:38.920 It's pretty funny. 10:38.920 --> 10:43.200 Anyway, so he moved up and then, and the graph, oh, no, then they brought in Reardon. 10:43.200 --> 10:46.440 I remember it was really weird because John Reardon, no, wait a minute. 10:46.440 --> 10:47.440 I'm sorry. 10:47.440 --> 10:48.440 We had Lee Masters. 10:48.440 --> 10:51.960 Oh, I like Lee Masters was the shit. 10:51.960 --> 10:53.200 He's the guy that hired me. 10:53.200 --> 10:55.000 He hired me. 10:55.000 --> 10:57.000 He was MTV Networks president. 10:57.000 --> 10:58.000 That's how it worked. 10:58.000 --> 10:59.000 He was in writing network. 10:59.000 --> 11:00.000 MTV president. 11:00.000 --> 11:06.040 Freston went to MTV Networks, then Reardon came in, and when Reardon came in, Lee went 11:06.040 --> 11:07.040 out. 11:07.040 --> 11:12.320 He started E Entertainment, which was the movie channel, what was it, what was it called? 11:12.320 --> 11:13.320 What was it called? 11:13.320 --> 11:17.280 It was called, it was called something else. 11:17.280 --> 11:18.280 Are you sure? 11:18.280 --> 11:19.280 Yeah. 11:19.280 --> 11:21.440 It was like a movie kind of a gossipy. 11:21.440 --> 11:23.360 No, it was some kind of movie channel. 11:23.360 --> 11:24.360 It was dumb. 11:24.360 --> 11:25.360 Yes. 11:25.840 --> 11:30.800 Yes, naturally V. I'm such a fan of Lee and snatched TV. 11:30.800 --> 11:34.480 But then Reardon was living in Tom Freston's house. 11:34.480 --> 11:35.880 You remember that? 11:35.880 --> 11:41.280 And then Tom Freston fired up much, obviously, he had access to a much higher level 11:41.280 --> 11:42.280 of executive. 11:42.280 --> 11:45.920 It was really weird because he was in Freston's house and then Freston fired him and 11:45.920 --> 11:48.280 never to be heard from again. 11:48.280 --> 11:52.760 Where was Freston, why weren't Freston in Freston's wife in Freston's house? 11:52.800 --> 11:57.320 They were, they were living with the Frestons. 11:57.320 --> 11:58.800 It was really weird. 11:58.800 --> 11:59.800 It really was. 11:59.800 --> 12:02.840 And he didn't, Reardon didn't last for like half a year. 12:02.840 --> 12:05.440 Well, did the guy move out immediately? 12:05.440 --> 12:06.440 I think so. 12:06.440 --> 12:07.440 Yeah. 12:07.440 --> 12:08.840 It was like a really weird situation. 12:08.840 --> 12:09.840 I don't know. 12:09.840 --> 12:11.840 Maybe he was known to come with Freston's wife. 12:11.840 --> 12:12.840 Didn't they split up? 12:12.840 --> 12:14.080 You got a divorce, didn't he? 12:14.080 --> 12:15.080 Freston? 12:15.080 --> 12:16.080 No, I didn't have. 12:16.080 --> 12:17.400 Yeah, I think so. 12:17.400 --> 12:22.720 So anyway, so Tom Freston just last week was very publicly fired. 12:22.760 --> 12:24.760 By the way, what? 12:24.760 --> 12:26.160 He claimed he resigned. 12:26.160 --> 12:27.560 No, come on, please. 12:27.560 --> 12:29.960 Can't, I mean, it's in the business press. 12:29.960 --> 12:34.160 Everyone's saying he was fired and the reasons were. 12:34.160 --> 12:38.160 So I'm going to redstone, who owns a Viacom. 12:38.160 --> 12:39.120 Viacom. 12:39.120 --> 12:40.120 Viacom. 12:40.120 --> 12:43.000 It was like 83 and humble, this guy was unbelievable. 12:43.000 --> 12:45.960 You don't fuck you, don't fuck you, don't fuck you, don't fuck. 12:45.960 --> 12:47.960 Tom, Tom, Tom, no shit. 12:47.960 --> 12:52.600 So Freston apparently had missed out on the MySpace acquisition, which is what Fox 12:52.680 --> 12:53.600 got. 12:53.600 --> 13:01.200 Rupert Murdoch, of course, arch enemy of Sumner Redstone and say, excuse me, overall 13:01.200 --> 13:02.200 ratings. 13:02.200 --> 13:05.960 No, the overall strategy was unclear and you know, they haven't really gotten anything 13:05.960 --> 13:06.960 together. 13:06.960 --> 13:10.920 So that really felt, and I agree, it did kind of feel like MTV's lagging around. 13:10.920 --> 13:16.120 And then the most recent video musical words ratings were down 30 percent. 13:16.120 --> 13:19.920 I think that was like, you know, the straw that broke the camel's back. 13:19.920 --> 13:21.560 Oh, I had that on my list. 13:21.560 --> 13:22.560 Did you watch it? 13:22.640 --> 13:24.840 Oh, you know, I sat here with Christina. 13:24.840 --> 13:25.840 I didn't. 13:25.840 --> 13:26.840 So I can't. 13:26.840 --> 13:33.360 Oh, well, Christina's 16, she's perfect MTV age, she sits down and she loves all kinds 13:33.360 --> 13:34.360 of music. 13:34.360 --> 13:37.760 But after 15 minutes, she says, I can't stand it, it's just too much hip hop. 13:37.760 --> 13:38.760 It's too much fucking hip. 13:38.760 --> 13:41.400 I don't mind a little bit of hip hop, but it's all hip hop. 13:41.400 --> 13:43.680 She could, she literally walked away. 13:43.680 --> 13:49.320 I actually, I had to t-boat it and I too find myself fast forwarding through at least 13:49.320 --> 13:50.320 three acts. 13:50.320 --> 13:52.320 I'm just like, okay. 13:53.120 --> 13:53.800 It's just too much. 13:53.800 --> 13:57.840 I saw like a wrap up on, you know, entertainment tonight or something. 13:57.840 --> 14:02.400 And I realized that I really, really am now completely out of touch. 14:03.600 --> 14:04.680 We're old, officially. 14:04.680 --> 14:07.680 I thought I knew what was going on. 14:07.680 --> 14:10.720 No, but I know, but I obviously not. 14:10.720 --> 14:13.600 And Jack Black was just horrible. 14:13.600 --> 14:15.600 And I think he's a very funny guy. 14:15.600 --> 14:16.400 Great actor. 14:16.400 --> 14:17.800 I can't really like him. 14:17.800 --> 14:18.400 Yeah. 14:18.400 --> 14:19.560 This was definitely no. 14:19.560 --> 14:21.480 Oh, it was, it was just not happening. 14:21.520 --> 14:23.880 It was like everything was supposed to go wrong. 14:23.880 --> 14:27.360 And it wasn't funny the way they were, it's just wasn't funny. 14:27.360 --> 14:28.680 It wasn't funny. 14:28.680 --> 14:30.160 So anyway, so Tom Fresen's out. 14:30.160 --> 14:33.720 So that means that MTV is in flux. 14:33.720 --> 14:34.800 And who is this guy? 14:34.800 --> 14:38.200 They brought back this, with a D. 14:38.200 --> 14:40.400 Daughter, what's his name? 14:41.400 --> 14:42.440 I think he was name. 14:44.800 --> 14:48.160 Yeah, it was a guy who'd done something before. 14:48.160 --> 14:50.160 Anyway, what I'm looking for that, 14:51.160 --> 14:53.960 what a lot of people commented on on this year's video 14:53.960 --> 14:57.360 musical awards, particularly the pre-game show, 14:57.360 --> 14:59.560 is John Norris and Kurt Loder. 14:59.560 --> 15:00.400 I still alive. 15:00.400 --> 15:05.760 I actually, several people either called or emailed me 15:05.760 --> 15:12.440 about John Norris's hair color, about John Norris 15:12.440 --> 15:13.040 in general. 15:13.040 --> 15:16.640 I just think, you know, I feel really bad saying that 15:16.640 --> 15:18.960 because I got along with John, you know, 15:18.960 --> 15:20.560 but that was, I never did. 15:20.560 --> 15:24.120 I never got along with him and he hated me. 15:24.120 --> 15:25.680 I did okay with John, I really did. 15:25.680 --> 15:27.400 I have nothing personal against him. 15:27.400 --> 15:30.840 It's just that that was like 15 years ago. 15:30.840 --> 15:33.880 And we've all grown up and I turn the thing on 15:33.880 --> 15:35.520 and he's still sitting there. 15:35.520 --> 15:38.200 Like Frankenstein talking to these people 15:38.200 --> 15:41.280 and there is something hermetically preserved 15:41.280 --> 15:42.360 looking about him. 15:42.360 --> 15:45.840 I just, for Maldahide does wonders. 15:45.920 --> 15:49.440 I question how stimulating that job can still be. 15:51.440 --> 15:54.440 He always wanted to be, you know, 15:54.440 --> 15:56.480 this is where exactly where you wanted to be. 15:56.480 --> 15:58.080 And, you know, the MTV News Department, 15:58.080 --> 15:59.760 bless him because they did, 15:59.760 --> 16:02.400 I have to say, transform the channel 16:02.400 --> 16:04.320 with a lot of their long-form programming 16:04.320 --> 16:06.720 and a lot of it really, really top-notch stuff. 16:06.720 --> 16:10.960 And they totally drove that and Dave Ceronek certainly. 16:10.960 --> 16:12.440 And he was great. 16:12.440 --> 16:15.400 And I heard Kurt was very important to the channel 16:15.400 --> 16:17.240 because he was a really credible, 16:18.240 --> 16:21.080 he was a journalist at the time he joined the channel. 16:21.080 --> 16:23.360 The problem is whenever he goes to interview someone, 16:23.360 --> 16:26.240 he has the personality of a fucking dish rag. 16:26.240 --> 16:27.240 Well, that's true. 16:27.240 --> 16:29.400 I mean, he just, that's the downside. 16:29.400 --> 16:31.280 He's a great writer, great journalist, 16:31.280 --> 16:33.680 but I never thought he was a huge TV personality. 16:33.680 --> 16:36.160 No, he's very, and I'm quite certain 16:36.160 --> 16:37.480 that he would probably agree. 16:37.480 --> 16:38.760 He's very, very, very. 16:38.760 --> 16:41.480 Certainly after 10 Martinez. 16:41.480 --> 16:45.360 I really, he could knock him down my boy, Kurt. 16:46.160 --> 16:47.640 He could slow him down like, you know, 16:47.640 --> 16:50.120 he'd been pushed out there and he would endure it. 16:50.120 --> 16:51.600 Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right. 16:51.600 --> 16:54.120 He would endure them in a long, you know, 16:54.120 --> 16:57.480 MTV news snippet, but as soon as it was over, 16:57.480 --> 17:00.200 I was like, for Christ, they'd give me a cigarette. 17:00.200 --> 17:03.240 You know, the cigarette was always right out of the... 17:03.240 --> 17:04.080 Like mine. 17:04.080 --> 17:05.280 Mine was always under the table too. 17:05.280 --> 17:06.960 I know, which we're always smoking. 17:06.960 --> 17:08.480 We were always smoking in the studio. 17:08.480 --> 17:11.120 Part of the fun thing about going back to New York 17:11.120 --> 17:14.160 that week of the MTV reunion. 17:14.160 --> 17:15.000 Yeah. 17:15.000 --> 17:17.520 And seeing a lot of people, some of which I, 17:17.520 --> 17:20.280 some of whom were gone well before you even got there. 17:20.280 --> 17:22.440 I saw the lady that first picked up the phone 17:22.440 --> 17:24.240 when I was a college kid in Ohio, 17:24.240 --> 17:27.000 and I kept calling MTV trying to get somebody on the phone, 17:27.000 --> 17:28.600 they gave me the time of day. 17:28.600 --> 17:32.040 In this lady named Claire Joseph picked up the phone 17:32.040 --> 17:34.600 and finally, and talked to me, 17:34.600 --> 17:38.040 and helped me get in touch with Brian Godchew. 17:38.040 --> 17:38.880 Was Brian there? 17:38.880 --> 17:39.720 Was Brian Godchew? 17:39.720 --> 17:40.560 Yeah, yeah. 17:40.560 --> 17:41.560 Excellent. 17:41.560 --> 17:44.280 As was Claire Joseph, and she left before, 17:44.280 --> 17:46.360 you know, I guess she went to VH one or something, 17:46.360 --> 17:49.520 but I had not seen Claire Joseph in like 20 years. 17:49.520 --> 17:51.760 And so like I, I just went right over to her, 17:51.760 --> 17:54.800 and I said, Claire, you know, how the fuck are you? 17:54.800 --> 17:57.160 You may not remember me, but, and I like, 17:57.160 --> 18:00.480 like, I don't know, like, almost made her cry. 18:00.480 --> 18:01.560 Really? 18:01.560 --> 18:02.600 I mean, in a good way, 18:02.600 --> 18:04.640 because I said really, if you hadn't taken the time 18:04.640 --> 18:07.560 to be a nice lady, I hadn't know what they all would have happened. 18:07.560 --> 18:09.800 I like, I would end it up like all my other friends 18:10.680 --> 18:13.600 school, you know, like working in a gas station in Toledo 18:13.600 --> 18:15.960 with a deeper capital L loser. 18:15.960 --> 18:17.880 All right, so, so, so, so, so, so, first of all, 18:17.880 --> 18:21.240 it was Philip Domin, that name doesn't ring a bell 18:21.240 --> 18:25.160 and Thomas dolly, that, that does ring a bell. 18:25.160 --> 18:29.400 Dolly rings a very distant bell, hang down. 18:29.400 --> 18:32.360 Yeah, time, dolly, it does. 18:32.360 --> 18:36.240 And that said, well, was he, was that a song? 18:36.240 --> 18:37.080 Was he? 18:37.160 --> 18:41.160 Oh, the, the new team, down, yeah, Domin and Dolly 18:41.160 --> 18:44.120 is the same one that led Viacom from 96 to 2000 18:44.120 --> 18:45.960 after Redstone and fired an earlier, 18:45.960 --> 18:48.360 oh, after he had fired an earlier CEO, Frank beyondy. 18:48.360 --> 18:49.360 There you go. 18:49.360 --> 18:50.200 There he is. 18:50.200 --> 18:51.720 So, when beyondy went out, 18:51.720 --> 18:55.480 fresh then moved up, and those guys moved into, 18:55.480 --> 18:58.600 into Viacom, into running Viacom. 18:58.600 --> 19:01.160 They sound like an afternoon showed. 19:01.160 --> 19:03.560 Everybody, it's Domin and Dolly, 19:03.560 --> 19:04.840 we're the, yeah, here, we're on the MTV 19:04.840 --> 19:06.040 and she's not always everybody, yeah, 19:06.040 --> 19:07.800 we got some really good, interactive stuff, 19:07.800 --> 19:10.480 we're your social networking stuff. 19:10.480 --> 19:12.520 All right, so who was there? 19:12.520 --> 19:14.760 Who was at the, at the 25th reunion? 19:14.760 --> 19:16.800 And by the way, it would have been nice to have been invited. 19:16.800 --> 19:19.760 It was this only, this is a five year thing, too. 19:19.760 --> 19:22.560 Well, no, actually, that was probably open to everybody. 19:22.560 --> 19:24.800 T, and I, I see, I see. 19:24.800 --> 19:26.400 Take more blame than anybody else, 19:26.400 --> 19:28.680 but it was, it was kind of assembled 19:28.680 --> 19:30.360 by really, really early people. 19:30.360 --> 19:32.320 I was in America, I was in San Francisco, 19:32.320 --> 19:33.760 but I would have come to New York. 19:33.760 --> 19:35.440 Well, they, they didn't, there was an LA 19:35.440 --> 19:36.800 that you could have gone down to LA 19:36.800 --> 19:39.200 and joined Martha Quinn and Nina Blackwood. 19:39.200 --> 19:41.640 Okay, well, I'm glad you didn't tell me that. 19:41.640 --> 19:43.640 And Ken's size, Lure. 19:43.640 --> 19:47.560 Ken's size, well, there was, there was a simultaneous gig 19:47.560 --> 19:49.040 held on both coasts. 19:49.040 --> 19:51.200 Oh, was it a satellite link up? 19:51.200 --> 19:54.600 Well, they tried, but nobody could make anything go, I don't think. 19:54.600 --> 19:57.240 It was, there was a video cast done of it 19:57.240 --> 20:00.320 and it was, it is available online somewhere. 20:00.320 --> 20:01.560 Excellent. 20:01.560 --> 20:03.000 All right, so who was in New York? 20:03.040 --> 20:05.440 Who did you, who did you see? 20:05.440 --> 20:07.200 You know, there was a huge list of people 20:07.200 --> 20:09.240 that wouldn't mean anything to anybody. 20:09.240 --> 20:11.440 Right, skip them. 20:11.440 --> 20:17.600 The, was Julian Goldberg, still at MTV, 20:17.600 --> 20:18.720 when you were there? 20:18.720 --> 20:19.960 Jillian Goldberg? 20:19.960 --> 20:20.760 Jillian. 20:20.760 --> 20:21.960 Jillian? 20:21.960 --> 20:22.960 Yeah. 20:22.960 --> 20:26.080 He was a tall bald guy who was very instrumental 20:26.080 --> 20:27.600 in the early MTV days. 20:27.600 --> 20:29.240 There had been like Ken's size, Lure, 20:29.240 --> 20:30.240 and Jillian Goldberg. 20:30.240 --> 20:32.600 Were these in the honor promo department, guys? 20:32.600 --> 20:34.960 No, they were probably heads of production. 20:34.960 --> 20:35.960 I don't think so. 20:35.960 --> 20:37.760 I don't know. 20:37.760 --> 20:40.520 Size little rings are gone, but Jillian Goldberg 20:40.520 --> 20:43.400 was the original executive producer of MTV. 20:43.400 --> 20:46.040 Well, I, one of the things I found for the reunion party, 20:46.040 --> 20:47.880 I, you know, because I have the vaults of stuff, 20:47.880 --> 20:50.480 is I put together these little packets 20:50.480 --> 20:53.480 and had them all copied and bound to pass out to people. 20:53.480 --> 20:54.680 Oh, that's nice. 20:54.680 --> 20:57.920 Funny things like, you know, the Michael Jackson Memo, 20:57.920 --> 21:02.440 the infamous Hammer Memo, and I had the original 21:02.440 --> 21:07.440 five press releases from MTV, a subsidiary of Warner Amix. 21:07.880 --> 21:08.880 Oh, that's right. 21:08.880 --> 21:09.720 That's right. 21:09.720 --> 21:13.480 And now I'm seeing the hiring of Mark Allen, J.J. Nina. 21:13.480 --> 21:15.320 Oh, that's cool. 21:15.320 --> 21:18.440 And so, Jillian was there. 21:18.440 --> 21:22.120 Did you hand out any of the, any of the blooper 21:22.120 --> 21:23.840 really have? 21:23.840 --> 21:26.160 No, I didn't take any video. 21:26.160 --> 21:28.160 Dude, we've got to put that online. 21:28.160 --> 21:29.120 We've got to put that online. 21:29.120 --> 21:31.720 Oh, you know, I had a great conversation with, 21:31.720 --> 21:34.320 I ended up having a couple of gin and tonics at the bar 21:34.320 --> 21:35.640 with Rick Krim. 21:35.640 --> 21:38.080 Oh, I like Rick Krim, who's all right. 21:38.080 --> 21:40.760 I always liked Rick Krim, the minute I saw him, 21:40.760 --> 21:45.760 I was like, Rick, dude, Rick is a VP at VH1. 21:47.880 --> 21:50.160 I think, still in talent, artist relations. 21:50.160 --> 21:53.440 So he's with the network, no longer with the channel. 21:53.440 --> 21:56.160 And I kind of like VH1, you know, VH1 sometimes. 21:56.160 --> 21:57.680 Well, VH1, no, plays Metallica. 21:57.680 --> 22:02.880 So, I ended up talking to Rick for a long time, 22:02.880 --> 22:04.960 but we were talking about the fact that I've got a lot 22:04.960 --> 22:08.760 of really cool shit on tape and that, you know, over time, 22:08.760 --> 22:10.400 it's degrading and rotting. 22:10.400 --> 22:11.400 Yeah, it is. 22:11.400 --> 22:16.280 And that someday, all this shit needs to be burned to DVD. 22:16.280 --> 22:18.080 I mean, there's a, there's a vault of it. 22:18.080 --> 22:20.360 A truckload, a veritable truckload. 22:20.360 --> 22:22.960 Can, can, listen to me. 22:22.960 --> 22:26.520 I will have it all pay for it to be professionally transferred 22:26.520 --> 22:27.920 every single last tape. 22:27.920 --> 22:32.400 How much the idea have like, that's really worth saving? 22:32.400 --> 22:38.560 Well, I'd have just, I've got about 15 boxes of great quarter-inch 22:38.560 --> 22:39.240 reals. 22:39.240 --> 22:42.720 I'm going to, you know, you need to, you mad, you mad, 22:42.720 --> 22:45.200 you mad, you mad, you mad, you mad machine to spot them. 22:45.200 --> 22:48.240 Well, yeah, but a lot of them are labeled in stuff. 22:48.240 --> 22:51.520 I mean, the looper, the looper, yeah, much that. 22:51.520 --> 22:52.920 Let's just get the blooper real. 22:52.920 --> 22:54.080 Let's just transfer that. 22:54.080 --> 22:54.920 Let's put it out. 22:54.920 --> 22:57.640 There's a few blooper reals, but yeah, I could probably, you know, 22:57.640 --> 22:59.000 siphon off the looper. 22:59.000 --> 23:01.760 I'll find a place in Portland that'll do it. 23:01.760 --> 23:04.000 And you just bring the tapes there. 23:04.000 --> 23:05.200 And then they'll do it professionally. 23:05.200 --> 23:06.320 And then we'll put them up online. 23:06.320 --> 23:07.200 I'll take the risk. 23:07.200 --> 23:08.200 Don't worry about it. 23:08.200 --> 23:10.440 Well, have your people, call my people this week. 23:10.440 --> 23:12.160 Oh, I should have started that. 23:12.160 --> 23:13.640 Shell. 23:13.640 --> 23:14.680 That'll be so cool. 23:14.680 --> 23:16.560 There's some awesome stuff there. 23:16.560 --> 23:18.800 I mean, the best stuff, really. 23:18.800 --> 23:23.200 So actually, the week of the, the week of the MTV thing, 23:23.200 --> 23:25.360 MTV did everything they possibly could 23:25.360 --> 23:27.640 to thwart any press. 23:27.640 --> 23:29.720 Yeah, they didn't want to see mold, right? 23:29.720 --> 23:30.960 Well, yeah, that was the story. 23:30.960 --> 23:34.080 Was it they wanted to see meong in fresh and relevant 23:34.080 --> 23:36.840 and dwelling on the fact that they were a quarter of a century 23:36.840 --> 23:38.480 old made them feel old. 23:38.480 --> 23:41.920 And I, I think that's probably horseshit. 23:41.920 --> 23:47.200 They received such, you know, unanimous bad response 23:47.200 --> 23:49.320 to their celebration of their 20th, which 23:49.320 --> 23:53.240 was the biggest piece of shit that's ever come down by. 23:53.240 --> 23:58.280 That they were probably afraid to go anywhere near the 25th. 23:58.280 --> 24:00.360 Freshness, but was puckering. 24:00.360 --> 24:03.920 Well, they, they refused to release any, any old video 24:03.920 --> 24:07.080 or footage of MTV, any press or media outlet. 24:07.080 --> 24:11.120 I heard through the grapevine that even Kurt Loder was told 24:11.120 --> 24:15.240 that he was absolutely forbidden from doing any press regarding 24:15.240 --> 24:16.400 the typical, that's so typical. 24:16.400 --> 24:17.400 That's so typical. 24:17.400 --> 24:21.920 MTV, Martha and Nina and everybody were told that, you know, 24:21.920 --> 24:25.280 they weren't allowed to use any photos or any footage of them 24:25.280 --> 24:28.800 to any media outlet from the MTV era. 24:28.800 --> 24:29.800 Really? 24:29.800 --> 24:33.800 No, another infamous MTV memo, like if they were, 24:33.800 --> 24:36.320 well, I don't have access to any of this. 24:36.320 --> 24:40.160 This is here, say, a new hobby, knowing the network, 24:40.160 --> 24:42.400 as well as it sounds like it. 24:42.400 --> 24:46.840 I'm pretty certain that, you know, the powers that 24:46.840 --> 24:51.560 be decided that they really didn't want to celebrate the 25th anniversary. 24:51.560 --> 24:56.240 However, you know, the founding staff, including some really high 24:56.240 --> 24:59.600 ups, it, freshness was actually there at one of the two parties. 24:59.600 --> 25:03.600 So, I mean, you know, in New York, in New York, yeah. 25:03.600 --> 25:06.600 I heard that when he left, the one I didn't go to. 25:06.600 --> 25:09.800 When he left the building, everyone crowded the hallways and the plot 25:09.800 --> 25:11.720 of it as he left. 25:11.720 --> 25:15.720 A plot of that he was leaving or a plot of him, applauding him, I believe. 25:15.720 --> 25:16.720 Oh, okay. 25:16.720 --> 25:20.760 I didn't know what you were, you meant. 25:20.760 --> 25:22.720 I would have been like, goodbye! 25:22.720 --> 25:26.040 No, no, no, no, no, no, he would have looked at me and said, 25:26.040 --> 25:27.040 who the hell are you? 25:27.040 --> 25:34.040 Thanks, thanks Bob, thanks Adam, whoever you are, thanks. 25:34.040 --> 25:38.480 Great work and we're the, I really love your work. 25:38.480 --> 25:40.960 No, I'm sure he did. 25:40.960 --> 25:42.960 So, no, it's kind of odd. 25:42.960 --> 25:45.360 No celebs showed up. 25:46.360 --> 25:49.160 Big celebrities, no, because it wasn't that kind of party. 25:49.160 --> 25:54.240 You know, MTV, like VJ-wise in New York, we had Alan Hunter and Mark Goodman. 25:54.240 --> 25:55.600 We're both in New York. 25:55.600 --> 25:56.600 What are they doing now? 25:56.600 --> 26:03.760 So, I know that they're, all the original VJs are on serious, yes, that I'm aware of. 26:03.760 --> 26:06.080 Are you a revival channel? 26:06.080 --> 26:14.440 Mark was doing terrestrial radio in Los Angeles, and of course, he pointed that out. 26:14.480 --> 26:16.680 I'm also doing a terrestrial radio. 26:16.680 --> 26:19.000 No, actually, he didn't. 26:19.000 --> 26:20.400 Mark Mark was very cool. 26:20.400 --> 26:28.240 I have no idea what he's doing now because he recently relocated to back to the New York area. 26:28.240 --> 26:29.560 Oh, really? 26:29.560 --> 26:35.680 Yes, he's living in, he's living in the suburbs of New Jersey in a place that you know, 26:35.680 --> 26:38.720 not real well, it's, it's not, we're living lived. 26:38.720 --> 26:41.200 It's not Montclair or Verona, we're lived. 26:41.200 --> 26:42.200 Where is it? 26:42.200 --> 26:45.440 It's a place where a lot of your money went. 26:45.440 --> 26:47.840 A lot of my money at Lannick City? 26:47.840 --> 26:51.840 No, no, yeah, like you have a pressure used to know gambling. 26:51.840 --> 26:53.680 Come on, honey, it's only three hour drive. 26:53.680 --> 26:54.680 Come on, let's go. 26:54.680 --> 26:58.680 Whenever, yeah, whenever all man, whenever all man, all power would fly over you guys 26:58.680 --> 27:00.960 would hit at Lannick City. 27:00.960 --> 27:02.120 A lot of my money went. 27:02.120 --> 27:03.560 Where the hell did my money go? 27:03.560 --> 27:04.760 That's a good question, Ken. 27:04.760 --> 27:05.760 Where did it go? 27:05.760 --> 27:06.760 Short, short hills. 27:06.760 --> 27:08.760 Oh, short, short hill. 27:08.760 --> 27:11.640 Of course, short hills, mall. 27:11.680 --> 27:13.200 I wasn't the short hills, mall. 27:13.200 --> 27:15.040 It was the mall at short hill. 27:15.040 --> 27:18.240 The mall, I'm sorry, yes, the mall at short hills. 27:18.240 --> 27:20.200 Yeah, a lot of money did go that way, didn't it? 27:20.200 --> 27:22.000 Yeah, I said, where are you living now, Mark? 27:22.000 --> 27:24.760 And he said, out in short hills, I was like, in short hills, 27:24.760 --> 27:25.760 only shit. 27:25.760 --> 27:27.680 Yeah, that's expensive there. 27:27.680 --> 27:32.840 Well, I would presume most places in short hills, pretty upscale. 27:32.840 --> 27:34.200 I would think he's worth it. 27:34.200 --> 27:37.560 No, I don't know, I don't use it anywhere in New Jersey 27:37.560 --> 27:39.120 is probably expensive. 27:39.120 --> 27:39.840 Yeah, that's true. 27:39.840 --> 27:41.520 OK, so here we go. 27:41.520 --> 27:45.120 And Alan, Alan Hunter, still does house, right? 27:45.120 --> 27:50.240 Is still in Alabama, had his lovely girlfriend with him 27:50.240 --> 27:55.280 and his daughter who is his daughter and goodman's daughter, 27:55.280 --> 27:57.720 both our teenagers now, and we're like knockouts. 27:57.720 --> 28:00.320 It's kind of alarming that everybody's daughters 28:00.320 --> 28:02.520 and the talk to be these gorgeous young women, 28:02.520 --> 28:04.040 everybody in the restaurant was, you know, 28:04.040 --> 28:05.840 ogling at them, nobody had any idea. 28:05.840 --> 28:08.520 They were underage. 28:08.520 --> 28:10.200 They look at me in the 20s. 28:10.200 --> 28:12.080 I'm sure you know how that goes. 28:12.080 --> 28:15.560 Oh, Christina showed me her fake ID yesterday. 28:15.560 --> 28:17.280 Oh, great. 28:17.280 --> 28:19.320 She's like, you're like, yeah, look at this. 28:19.320 --> 28:20.880 Oh, you said you're 19 here. 28:20.880 --> 28:22.000 Yeah, it works. 28:22.000 --> 28:26.560 She says in her nice little British accent, it works. 28:26.560 --> 28:27.120 That's funny. 28:27.120 --> 28:28.120 She's nuts. 28:28.120 --> 28:29.840 So the week I was in New York, though, 28:29.840 --> 28:33.480 it was like 100 degrees, and there was like 98% humidity 28:33.480 --> 28:36.560 and like 31 people died from the heat. 28:36.560 --> 28:38.360 OK, so do you remember how bad 28:38.360 --> 28:40.520 New York used to get when I remember spending 28:40.520 --> 28:45.160 one summer in New York and vowing to myself never, ever again. 28:45.160 --> 28:46.800 Yeah, and then you bought the house out in New York. 28:46.800 --> 28:47.320 That's right. 28:47.320 --> 28:47.840 That's right. 28:47.840 --> 28:49.240 With the pool. 28:49.240 --> 28:51.000 This is no way to live. 28:51.000 --> 28:51.360 Yeah. 28:51.360 --> 28:52.360 Allen, anyway, no. 28:52.360 --> 28:55.280 Allen Hunter is still down in Birmingham, Alabama. 28:55.280 --> 28:57.200 He's still doing his video production stuff. 28:57.200 --> 29:01.680 Has a film production company actually has his 29:01.680 --> 29:05.360 film artist, you know, a lot of independent films 29:05.360 --> 29:08.200 is involved with Sundance this year. 29:08.200 --> 29:12.600 And also owns a big facility that's recording studios 29:12.600 --> 29:15.080 and a club and whatnot, really, Birmingham. 29:15.080 --> 29:15.760 So yeah. 29:15.760 --> 29:16.960 Right on. 29:16.960 --> 29:17.760 I didn't know about it. 29:17.760 --> 29:19.600 Yeah, and he's holding the studio on the ground. 29:19.600 --> 29:20.240 Yeah, that's cool. 29:20.240 --> 29:20.920 Sounds like it. 29:20.920 --> 29:23.600 That's great. 29:23.600 --> 29:25.640 No downtown Julie Brown, I presume. 29:25.640 --> 29:27.560 No downtown Julie Brown. 29:27.560 --> 29:29.200 That was it in terms of VJs. 29:29.200 --> 29:31.880 And then there were just a lot of cool people like Brian 29:31.880 --> 29:35.720 and Helene Gross, who I have been seen in towns. 29:35.720 --> 29:38.120 And I, you know, like I said, I had a great conversation 29:38.120 --> 29:43.120 with Rick Kram and, and, you know, I'm trying to think 29:43.120 --> 29:45.520 if there's anybody else who'd have been particularly interested 29:45.520 --> 29:46.680 in. 29:46.680 --> 29:47.720 No, not really. 29:47.720 --> 29:48.720 Not at the party. 29:48.720 --> 29:51.080 I had a wild weekend Manhattan. 29:51.080 --> 29:53.360 Now did everybody sit around and mope about how 29:53.360 --> 29:55.560 in TV doesn't play videos anymore? 29:55.560 --> 29:57.160 Oh, no, no, no, no. 29:57.160 --> 30:00.440 This was a group of people who really, really enjoyed working 30:00.440 --> 30:02.120 together, getting together, many of whom 30:02.120 --> 30:05.880 hadn't seen each other in 10, 15 years. 30:05.880 --> 30:10.520 Nobody was, what MTV was doing now was pretty much 30:10.520 --> 30:12.280 irrelevant conversation. 30:12.280 --> 30:13.880 It was, it was how are you? 30:13.880 --> 30:15.880 What are you doing now? 30:15.880 --> 30:18.200 You know, it was a lot of, do you remember this and that? 30:18.200 --> 30:20.840 I mean, seeing each other and, you know, triggered all sorts 30:20.840 --> 30:23.120 of funny memories of shit that happened back then. 30:23.120 --> 30:24.360 OK, so I'll forgotten. 30:24.360 --> 30:28.640 Give me a story that they recalled that was good, can? 30:28.640 --> 30:30.920 Well, I had found a couple of memos that I had 30:30.920 --> 30:35.680 or letters that I had, that MTV memos brought a few laughs. 30:35.680 --> 30:37.400 Yeah, things that were in the vault. 30:37.400 --> 30:40.880 I found a great, before you remember Communicar, right? 30:40.880 --> 30:42.400 Our boy of it, car service. 30:42.400 --> 30:47.520 Let me just, yeah, let me just explain Communicar in New York. 30:47.520 --> 30:51.360 It was really one of the first mass scale radio cars. 30:51.360 --> 30:55.760 So it's like, it's like a cab that you can call no difference. 30:55.760 --> 30:58.920 Except the cars wall, this ugly burgundy, kind of, 30:58.920 --> 31:03.680 they were burgundy, burgundy town cars and you had vouchers. 31:03.680 --> 31:06.480 And so, you know, the car would cost, you know, whatever car costs. 31:06.480 --> 31:09.720 I mean, if you left it for now, it cost 25 bucks or something like that. 31:09.720 --> 31:12.400 We didn't ever find out really directly what it costs. 31:12.400 --> 31:13.800 It was all went to corporate. 31:13.800 --> 31:17.280 The corporate would give me vouchers vouchers vouchers. 31:17.280 --> 31:19.200 Yeah, that was like gold boy. 31:19.200 --> 31:24.200 Can sky would give each VJ, you know, two vouchers per recording session 31:24.200 --> 31:26.080 want to get two one to get from. 31:26.080 --> 31:27.360 That was the big limit. 31:27.360 --> 31:28.360 That was early. 31:28.440 --> 31:32.240 That was the big limit that we were all riding in was fucking Communicar. 31:32.240 --> 31:36.680 And the limits were only for when people would see you like, you know, bullshit can. 31:36.680 --> 31:38.520 They never never gave us limos. 31:38.520 --> 31:40.520 I always got my own limos. 31:40.520 --> 31:41.520 Yeah, no. 31:41.520 --> 31:45.640 Who got the limo the night you were in that limo with downtown Julie Brown and it backed over 31:45.640 --> 31:46.640 the old lady. 31:46.640 --> 31:47.640 That was my limo. 31:47.640 --> 31:48.640 That was my limo. 31:48.640 --> 31:49.640 That was my limo. 31:49.640 --> 31:51.120 I paid for that limo when we back over her. 31:51.120 --> 31:53.440 It was downtown Julie Brown doing in there. 31:53.440 --> 31:54.440 I don't remember. 31:54.440 --> 31:55.920 I really don't remember. 31:55.920 --> 31:56.920 I do. 31:56.920 --> 31:57.920 I don't remember her being in the limo. 31:57.920 --> 32:00.360 I don't remember backing up over the old one of the old ladies. 32:00.360 --> 32:02.360 That was pretty funny. 32:02.360 --> 32:04.360 Yeah, oops. 32:04.360 --> 32:06.360 Sorry, lady. 32:06.360 --> 32:12.000 I think that was for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame awards or something like that. 32:12.000 --> 32:13.000 I think that's what we're going to do. 32:13.000 --> 32:15.520 I just have another funny story, too, that came up. 32:15.520 --> 32:19.800 Before that, the Communicar story, before there was Communicar, they had a different 32:19.800 --> 32:20.800 car service. 32:20.800 --> 32:26.480 And this was before my day at the channel, frankly, I think I started right around the 32:26.480 --> 32:28.360 time they went with Communicar. 32:28.360 --> 32:34.760 And they're probably still with Communicar, frankly, I don't know, but Mark Goodman 32:34.760 --> 32:39.840 was getting picked up at his house one morning to go to the studio for his taping. 32:39.840 --> 32:43.400 And they got like partway there and he realized, like, having forbid, he didn't have 32:43.400 --> 32:46.080 a voucher. 32:46.080 --> 32:51.520 And so you got voucher, well, you got voucher, you got voucher, you got voucher, exactly. 32:51.520 --> 32:57.080 This solution Mark proposed was drive me to the studio, I'll go in and get one, you 32:57.080 --> 32:58.080 know? 32:58.080 --> 32:59.080 I mean, I'm comfortable. 32:59.080 --> 33:00.080 Yeah. 33:00.080 --> 33:08.480 He's like, no, the guy's insisting, he's going to take him home immediately. 33:08.480 --> 33:12.840 Didn't they call JJ Jackson the franchise, he's not what they call them at Communicar? 33:12.840 --> 33:13.840 Yeah, probably. 33:13.840 --> 33:14.840 Just JJ. 33:14.840 --> 33:18.480 And Dr. Dre had a lover also. 33:18.480 --> 33:21.480 Those guys left the car out all the time, it's like just for 10 hours. 33:21.480 --> 33:22.480 And he's in front of the club. 33:22.480 --> 33:23.480 10, 12 hours. 33:23.480 --> 33:25.480 It's like he was sitting there. 33:25.480 --> 33:26.480 All right. 33:26.480 --> 33:31.440 So, Judy McGrath and everybody would have a stroke, sitting up and out for like a $400 33:31.440 --> 33:32.440 Communicar bill. 33:32.440 --> 33:38.480 So, this argument ensues in the town car and it finally got to the point that escalated 33:38.480 --> 33:44.080 the car driver, brandishing a screwdriver and trying to like poke Mark Goodman over the 33:44.080 --> 33:45.080 seat. 33:45.080 --> 33:46.080 Excellent. 33:46.080 --> 33:51.200 And like Mark finally dove out of the moving car and like was almost killed in 33:51.200 --> 33:52.200 traffic. 33:52.200 --> 33:53.760 All right. 33:53.760 --> 33:59.240 And he had written this really, really funny memo to like the president or the vice president 33:59.240 --> 34:06.280 of MTV and also copying the head of the car service about that whole, and you have 34:06.280 --> 34:07.280 that memo sitting. 34:07.280 --> 34:08.280 I do. 34:08.280 --> 34:09.280 And it was a very, very funny memo. 34:09.280 --> 34:10.280 Oh, you're going to read it. 34:10.280 --> 34:11.280 You're going to have to share it. 34:11.280 --> 34:12.280 Oh, it's very, very lengthy. 34:12.280 --> 34:13.280 Oh, okay. 34:13.280 --> 34:15.280 I don't want to read that. 34:15.280 --> 34:18.680 It's, it's three pages of, of recanting this story. 34:18.680 --> 34:21.160 I mean, I guess the important part is that he, 34:21.200 --> 34:25.960 tried to stab him with a screwdriver and I believe it was the next week that they switched 34:25.960 --> 34:26.960 to community. 34:26.960 --> 34:28.360 That was the end of that. 34:28.360 --> 34:33.880 But it did remind me and this, I wasn't so much an MTV story as an Adam Curry story. 34:33.880 --> 34:35.600 Oh, boy. 34:35.600 --> 34:40.880 There was a time after I had left the channel and was working for me, right? 34:40.880 --> 34:41.880 Yes. 34:41.880 --> 34:47.680 That you were in Los Angeles doing something. 34:47.680 --> 34:54.920 It was something, perhaps it was this, I think it was the circus of the circus. 34:54.920 --> 34:55.920 Oh, dude. 34:55.920 --> 35:00.720 Circus of the stars were the rocket car of death with, what was her name? 35:00.720 --> 35:01.720 What was the host of the show? 35:01.720 --> 35:02.720 Oh, fuck. 35:02.720 --> 35:04.920 Dear, dear, dear hall was not known. 35:04.920 --> 35:05.920 Was that her name? 35:05.920 --> 35:06.920 Dear, dear. 35:06.920 --> 35:08.920 Dear, dear hall. 35:08.920 --> 35:09.920 What's her name? 35:09.920 --> 35:10.920 Come on. 35:10.920 --> 35:11.920 That was dear, dear hall. 35:11.920 --> 35:13.920 It was dear, dear hall, right? 35:13.920 --> 35:14.920 I don't. 35:14.960 --> 35:17.280 I remember Cameron Diaz. 35:17.280 --> 35:20.560 Cameron Diaz was on that show with me and she was doing a trap. 35:20.560 --> 35:22.040 He's number. 35:22.040 --> 35:23.640 And she was 13. 35:23.640 --> 35:27.640 She was a little fat Puggie kid through 13. 35:27.640 --> 35:30.640 And anyway, I should have gotten her then, and nailed her. 35:30.640 --> 35:37.280 You had to, you had to nip up to San Francisco for some sort of radio station promo. 35:37.280 --> 35:38.520 Really? 35:38.520 --> 35:42.740 And you were supposed to take just like a shuttle flight up to San Francisco and do this 35:42.740 --> 35:44.600 radio station gig. 35:44.600 --> 35:49.760 And then fly back down to LA for the next day's taping of circus of the circus of 35:49.760 --> 35:50.760 the stars. 35:50.760 --> 35:54.120 No, it could not be circus of the stars in LA because I was really sick then. 35:54.120 --> 35:55.120 I remember. 35:55.120 --> 36:01.240 Well, it's when you abandon your car, you abandon your car. 36:01.240 --> 36:02.640 I remember this. 36:02.640 --> 36:03.640 Wait a minute. 36:03.640 --> 36:04.640 Wait a minute. 36:04.640 --> 36:06.640 Let me back up. 36:06.640 --> 36:08.040 Budget rent a car in Los Angeles. 36:08.040 --> 36:09.720 I don't know if they still do it. 36:09.720 --> 36:11.040 They had this great service. 36:11.040 --> 36:14.720 And we were always allowed to rent a car through budget. 36:14.720 --> 36:18.040 Now I always paid extra money for the car that I think didn't I can? 36:18.040 --> 36:20.760 Did I always put on extra cash? 36:20.760 --> 36:26.800 Yeah, like a Mercedes 500 SL or something nice convertible. 36:26.800 --> 36:27.800 Oh, Lexus. 36:27.800 --> 36:28.800 Yeah. 36:28.800 --> 36:29.800 Nice cars. 36:29.800 --> 36:30.800 Nice car. 36:30.800 --> 36:35.520 And what was cool about the service is you'd arrive at LAX and the guy would be waiting 36:35.520 --> 36:39.720 for you at baggage claim and you'd walk over to the car, which you'd already driven 36:39.720 --> 36:40.720 there. 36:40.760 --> 36:41.760 You know, he'd take your luggage. 36:41.760 --> 36:43.440 It was like, you've got really good. 36:43.440 --> 36:46.760 It's like, you know, okay, I'm on the lowest wrong of the show business ladder here. 36:46.760 --> 36:48.200 But I got a guy picking me up. 36:48.200 --> 36:49.200 I got some hot wheels. 36:49.200 --> 36:52.560 You know, I got a nice, nice ride here waiting for me. 36:52.560 --> 36:56.720 And sometimes when you take the guy back and drop them off, because I always stayed at 36:56.720 --> 37:00.120 the water stay, same James Club hotel. 37:00.120 --> 37:00.960 The same James. 37:00.960 --> 37:02.280 Yeah, fuck, I forgot about that. 37:02.280 --> 37:03.280 Yeah. 37:03.280 --> 37:09.760 And so, yeah, so I don't think it was a trip to San Francisco, but I do remember at one 37:09.760 --> 37:10.760 point. 37:10.760 --> 37:15.520 I think it was a, maybe it was a BMW I'm thinking, because I always tried to rent 37:15.520 --> 37:16.760 a different car each time. 37:16.760 --> 37:18.000 So I wanted to drive cool cars. 37:18.000 --> 37:22.960 I think it was a BMW that had everything integrated. 37:22.960 --> 37:33.000 Whatever it was, I basically drove up to departures at LAX and I was late for the flight. 37:33.000 --> 37:35.520 I just, this is not how you were supposed to do this. 37:35.520 --> 37:36.520 I should point out. 37:36.520 --> 37:38.000 No, you're supposed to, how did it? 37:38.000 --> 37:41.800 It was a valet return lot, like a block or two from the airport. 37:41.800 --> 37:42.800 Right. 37:42.800 --> 37:44.440 You're supposed to go to the valet return. 37:44.440 --> 37:45.440 Yeah. 37:45.440 --> 37:46.440 And then take the fucking bus. 37:46.440 --> 37:50.440 I had no time for that, can. 37:50.440 --> 37:52.040 So I drive the beamer up. 37:52.040 --> 37:53.040 I get my stuff. 37:53.040 --> 37:54.040 I jump out. 37:54.040 --> 37:59.040 I lock the car and I get on my flight and I call a can from the plane and say, what 37:59.040 --> 38:01.120 I say, hey, Ken, I don't think you locked the car. 38:01.120 --> 38:02.120 I think you left the keys in. 38:02.120 --> 38:06.120 Well, if the key in the car, that's right with the doors open. 38:06.120 --> 38:07.520 Hey, Ken. 38:07.560 --> 38:11.960 I wasn't even sure if it was in the curb lane to be honest, you were in a triopic jam. 38:11.960 --> 38:13.960 I just got out and took away. 38:13.960 --> 38:19.040 I think you just got out and then called me from the airport and as you were running 38:19.040 --> 38:24.040 to the gate and said that you had just bailed the car. 38:24.040 --> 38:27.320 And so then I had to get on the phone with budget or whoever the hell it was. 38:27.320 --> 38:28.320 There was budget. 38:28.320 --> 38:29.720 Before a budget, it was luxury line. 38:29.720 --> 38:30.720 You remember the luxury line? 38:30.720 --> 38:31.720 Luxury line. 38:31.720 --> 38:32.720 Luxury line. 38:32.720 --> 38:33.720 Beverly Hills. 38:33.720 --> 38:34.720 Yeah. 38:34.720 --> 38:37.480 So they, they were not, I had the call them and tell them. 38:37.480 --> 38:40.680 I'll never forget the guy in the phone cracked me up because I had to tell them what 38:40.680 --> 38:41.680 you'd done. 38:41.680 --> 38:47.280 And I told them what you'd done and the guy says to me, bit serer, he can't do that. 38:47.280 --> 38:53.480 You seem to misunderstand the point of my call. 38:53.480 --> 38:54.480 It's been done. 38:54.480 --> 39:01.480 And then when you came back, they didn't want you to have a car. 39:01.480 --> 39:02.480 No, they didn't want to. 39:02.480 --> 39:03.480 The car. 39:03.480 --> 39:04.480 I wonder why. 39:04.480 --> 39:05.480 Gee. 39:05.480 --> 39:06.480 That's kind of amazing. 39:07.480 --> 39:09.480 I don't know why we got talking about that. 39:09.480 --> 39:12.480 We did a lot of cool shit and Los Angeles back in the day man. 39:12.480 --> 39:15.480 We went there all the time to do fun stuff. 39:15.480 --> 39:16.480 Yeah. 39:16.480 --> 39:17.480 We really did. 39:17.480 --> 39:19.480 Everybody was always jetting off. 39:19.480 --> 39:23.480 And I'm telling you, every time we went to LA, it was just a barcherous. 39:23.480 --> 39:25.480 Everyone was always messed up. 39:25.480 --> 39:27.480 Everybody behaved pretty well in New York. 39:27.480 --> 39:30.480 I mean, we've said before while doing the MTV Chronicles, 39:30.480 --> 39:32.480 that that place ran like a well-oiled machine. 39:32.480 --> 39:33.480 And we had a lot of fun. 39:33.480 --> 39:34.480 And we got along well. 39:34.480 --> 39:39.480 But it wasn't the sort of sex drugs and rock and roll sort of hijinks that people might imagine. 39:39.480 --> 39:40.480 No. 39:40.480 --> 39:42.480 The minute you gave us those commune car vouchers, we were off. 39:42.480 --> 39:43.480 You know. 39:43.480 --> 39:44.480 Yeah. 39:44.480 --> 39:46.480 We're loose now. 39:46.480 --> 39:51.480 But for some reason, LA was always free rain to. 39:51.480 --> 39:52.480 Free rain to partay. 39:52.480 --> 39:53.480 Yeah. 39:53.480 --> 39:54.480 It was cool. 39:54.480 --> 39:55.480 Yeah. 39:55.480 --> 39:56.480 Everybody. 39:56.480 --> 39:58.480 I used to do all the skiing stuff. 39:58.480 --> 40:00.480 I went to all those ski resorts and we used to. 40:00.480 --> 40:01.480 But that wasn't Colorado. 40:01.480 --> 40:03.480 We'd like send you off to Aspen. 40:03.480 --> 40:06.480 Aspen Vale, Brecken Ridge, Whistler. 40:06.480 --> 40:07.480 The special brewer. 40:07.480 --> 40:08.480 Yeah. 40:08.480 --> 40:12.480 The special camera men that can ski backwards while holding that camera. 40:12.480 --> 40:13.480 No. 40:13.480 --> 40:14.480 We had a guy one time. 40:14.480 --> 40:16.480 I think it was in Brecken Ridge. 40:16.480 --> 40:20.480 And turnout he couldn't actually really ski. 40:20.480 --> 40:22.480 It was really, really sad. 40:22.480 --> 40:23.480 It was so sad. 40:23.480 --> 40:24.480 He was strong. 40:24.480 --> 40:25.480 He was strong. 40:25.480 --> 40:26.480 Like a million times. 40:26.480 --> 40:28.480 His camera was completely messed up. 40:28.480 --> 40:31.480 Well, couldn't he just stand in a stationary location? 40:31.480 --> 40:33.480 Have you come flying past? 40:33.480 --> 40:34.480 Yeah. 40:34.480 --> 40:35.480 We did a lot of that. 40:35.480 --> 40:37.480 He was actually at the top of the mountain. 40:37.480 --> 40:38.480 Afraid to go down. 40:38.480 --> 40:39.480 Yeah. 40:39.480 --> 40:40.480 Made a little bit harder. 40:40.480 --> 40:43.480 He's like, I don't think I can go down. 40:43.480 --> 40:48.480 Any other stuff in the packet that you want to share with us? 40:48.480 --> 40:50.480 No off the top of my head. 40:50.480 --> 40:51.480 I can't think of anything in the packet. 40:51.480 --> 40:53.480 The party I should have gone to. 40:53.480 --> 40:55.480 You know, there were two parties in New York. 40:55.480 --> 40:56.480 One the night of the first. 40:56.480 --> 40:59.480 Because that was the actual anniversary of MTV. 40:59.480 --> 41:00.480 But that was Tuesday night. 41:00.480 --> 41:02.480 And I was actually flying in. 41:02.480 --> 41:05.480 I was I was landing at Newark at about the time. 41:05.480 --> 41:06.480 The party was going on. 41:06.480 --> 41:09.480 And I opted not to go straight to the party with my luggage. 41:09.480 --> 41:10.480 So miss that one. 41:10.480 --> 41:14.480 But at that party, we had my graph and fresh and. 41:14.480 --> 41:16.480 And you got to tell me about these things. 41:16.480 --> 41:18.480 Can the entire upper. 41:18.480 --> 41:19.480 At. 41:19.480 --> 41:20.480 At whatever. 41:20.480 --> 41:21.480 It's a show. 41:21.480 --> 41:22.480 Thank you. 41:22.480 --> 41:23.480 Sorry. 41:23.480 --> 41:24.480 The upper echelon. 41:24.480 --> 41:26.480 It's still morning here in Portland, you know. 41:26.480 --> 41:27.480 Yeah. 41:28.480 --> 41:30.480 And I'm not sure I can say that we're in any way. 41:30.480 --> 41:31.480 But they were all there. 41:31.480 --> 41:33.480 And I missed that one. 41:33.480 --> 41:34.480 Yeah. 41:34.480 --> 41:35.480 Sounds like that was fun. 41:35.480 --> 41:36.480 Well, would you please. 41:36.480 --> 41:40.480 When it's 50th, would you please send me an email? 41:40.480 --> 41:41.480 So we can. 41:41.480 --> 41:43.480 Well, I don't know how many people will be left. 41:43.480 --> 41:46.480 I mean, the one thing that I do notice is in. 41:46.480 --> 41:49.480 Carloader John John Norris probably won't be. 41:49.480 --> 41:51.480 Most people look pretty good. 41:51.480 --> 41:56.480 But, you know, especially the early early folks, you know, I started there. 41:56.480 --> 42:00.480 When I was 21 or 22 years old, and they were already in their 30th or 40th. 42:00.480 --> 42:01.480 That's right. 42:01.480 --> 42:03.480 And so now they're really old. 42:03.480 --> 42:06.480 Because that was like 20 years ago. 42:06.480 --> 42:07.480 And then. 42:07.480 --> 42:08.480 I don't know. 42:08.480 --> 42:10.480 It's actually not really funny. 42:10.480 --> 42:12.480 Well, we're getting old. 42:12.480 --> 42:14.480 Everybody's doing well, though. 42:14.480 --> 42:17.480 I hear Beth McCarthy might be leaving Saturday night live. 42:17.480 --> 42:18.480 I don't know if that's true. 42:18.480 --> 42:19.480 Really? 42:19.480 --> 42:20.480 Well, how is. 42:20.480 --> 42:21.480 How's Saturday night live doing? 42:21.480 --> 42:23.480 I catch it once in a while when I'm in. 42:23.480 --> 42:24.480 You know, I haven't. 42:24.480 --> 42:28.480 I haven't watched network television at all in years. 42:28.480 --> 42:33.480 Although I did check out the the the debut of Katie Curric this week. 42:33.480 --> 42:34.480 Oh, yeah. 42:34.480 --> 42:35.480 How was she? 42:35.480 --> 42:37.480 She was all right. 42:37.480 --> 42:38.480 Yeah. 42:38.480 --> 42:39.480 She was all right. 42:39.480 --> 42:41.480 That's another something a redstone move right there. 42:41.480 --> 42:45.480 He personally made sure that they got her with the moon vest. 42:45.480 --> 42:48.480 Who is the golden child now? 42:48.480 --> 42:50.480 It didn't so much strike me as news. 42:50.480 --> 42:55.480 It's just like a half hour of of feature packages in some promotion. 42:55.480 --> 42:56.480 Exactly. 42:56.480 --> 42:57.480 Exactly. 42:57.480 --> 42:58.480 That's what people want. 42:58.480 --> 43:00.480 No, you don't know. 43:00.480 --> 43:01.480 Yeah. 43:01.480 --> 43:03.480 That's what it's because I like the news. 43:03.480 --> 43:05.480 So while I was in New York. 43:05.480 --> 43:06.480 The big news. 43:06.480 --> 43:07.480 I was, you know, as a. 43:07.480 --> 43:09.480 It was so hot out during the day. 43:09.480 --> 43:11.480 It didn't even go out until after dark. 43:11.480 --> 43:14.480 You would just sit there in near hotel room and. 43:14.480 --> 43:16.480 Wack on wait for the sun to go down. 43:16.480 --> 43:17.480 In the air conditioning. 43:17.480 --> 43:19.480 So you spent a lot of time watching the television. 43:19.480 --> 43:21.480 It was one afternoon. 43:21.480 --> 43:22.480 It was all over the news. 43:22.480 --> 43:24.480 Our old friend boy George. 43:24.480 --> 43:26.480 Oh, he had to clean the streets, right? 43:26.480 --> 43:27.480 That was while I was in New York. 43:27.480 --> 43:29.480 It was like to go down. 43:29.480 --> 43:30.480 No. 43:30.480 --> 43:33.480 I actually thought about going down in my camera. 43:33.480 --> 43:36.480 And I had a lovely dinner with our old friend. 43:36.480 --> 43:38.480 Jill Stemple who's actually very well. 43:38.480 --> 43:39.480 Jill. 43:39.480 --> 43:40.480 The diva. 43:40.480 --> 43:41.480 Jill. 43:41.480 --> 43:44.480 The diva Stemple is the bureau chief of the. 43:44.480 --> 43:48.480 She opened in his heading the New York bureau of the world entertainment news. 43:48.480 --> 43:49.480 Network. 43:49.480 --> 43:50.480 Went. 43:50.480 --> 43:51.480 Went. 43:51.480 --> 43:52.480 The guys. 43:52.480 --> 43:54.480 The guys we used to buy our news from Lloyd Bany and. 43:54.480 --> 43:56.480 Oh, he's still around. 43:56.480 --> 43:58.480 That's Jill's boss, man. 43:58.480 --> 43:59.480 That's pretty funny. 43:59.480 --> 44:01.480 And she's the bureau chief of the New York bureau. 44:01.480 --> 44:03.480 They're doing well. 44:03.480 --> 44:04.480 So she's laughingly. 44:04.480 --> 44:05.480 It said where you, you edit it. 44:05.480 --> 44:07.480 Why didn't she go down there with their camera and take some. 44:07.480 --> 44:08.480 Really? 44:08.480 --> 44:09.480 Celebrity. 44:09.480 --> 44:11.480 I was like, because it was a hundred. 44:11.480 --> 44:12.480 Fucking degrees out. 44:12.480 --> 44:14.480 Then I didn't want to have a hate stroke. 44:14.480 --> 44:19.480 Did I do like an in store appearance at a hardware store with boy George once? 44:19.480 --> 44:23.480 You did something funny with boy George in a store once. 44:23.480 --> 44:24.480 You guys knew each other. 44:24.480 --> 44:25.480 He's a really nice guy. 44:25.480 --> 44:27.480 He's a sweetheart when he's not a hero. 44:27.480 --> 44:29.480 He just keeps having trouble. 44:29.480 --> 44:30.480 Yeah. 44:30.480 --> 44:32.480 I met him a couple of times. 44:32.480 --> 44:34.480 The first time he was on heroin. 44:34.480 --> 44:35.480 And then remember that. 44:35.480 --> 44:36.480 I remember that. 44:36.480 --> 44:37.480 Yeah. 44:37.480 --> 44:38.480 I wasn't there. 44:38.480 --> 44:39.480 But I remember you telling me about that. 44:39.480 --> 44:40.480 Right. 44:40.480 --> 44:41.480 And that was in Holland. 44:41.480 --> 44:43.480 And they said, whatever you do, don't talk to him. 44:43.480 --> 44:45.480 I said, okay. 44:45.480 --> 44:49.480 And then I started went to announce him and I said, hey, don't talk to him. 44:49.480 --> 44:50.480 Why do you mean? 44:50.480 --> 44:51.480 Because he was on heroin. 44:51.480 --> 44:52.480 He was like completely fucked up. 44:52.480 --> 44:55.480 And he was just going to lip sync to the song on stage with all 44:55.480 --> 44:56.480 bunch of kids in front of it. 44:56.480 --> 44:57.480 And that was going to be it. 44:57.480 --> 44:59.480 And so I go up to announce him. 44:59.480 --> 45:01.480 And instead of doing, and here's boy George. 45:01.480 --> 45:03.480 I said, hey, man, they say you're on heroin. 45:03.480 --> 45:04.480 Oh, no. 45:04.480 --> 45:05.480 Did you believe? 45:05.480 --> 45:06.480 Yeah. 45:06.480 --> 45:08.480 He was really. 45:08.480 --> 45:09.480 He didn't know what was happened. 45:09.480 --> 45:12.480 But the woman from virgin was beside herself. 45:12.480 --> 45:14.480 But then, he didn't hear that did that. 45:14.480 --> 45:15.480 Oh, yeah. 45:15.480 --> 45:16.480 Oh, I heard it. 45:16.480 --> 45:17.480 Yeah. 45:17.480 --> 45:18.480 Yeah. 45:18.480 --> 45:20.480 That's like one of those things. 45:20.480 --> 45:24.480 But then the later we met at the, it was like a, a mis, a hard 45:24.480 --> 45:26.480 Where's the mis Channel or something? 45:26.480 --> 45:27.480 I don't know. 45:27.480 --> 45:28.480 It was mis Home Depot. 45:28.480 --> 45:30.480 Somewhere in New Jersey. 45:30.480 --> 45:31.480 It was for Z100. 45:31.480 --> 45:33.480 And he was in the, he was in Georgia. 45:33.480 --> 45:34.480 I didn't remember that. 45:34.480 --> 45:35.480 Yeah. 45:35.480 --> 45:36.480 He was a photo of you guys. 45:36.480 --> 45:37.480 Yeah. 45:37.480 --> 45:38.480 The judging thing. 45:38.480 --> 45:39.480 That's exactly what we were doing. 45:39.480 --> 45:40.480 It was during his really puggie days. 45:40.480 --> 45:41.480 Uh-huh. 45:41.480 --> 45:44.480 He had a lot of makeup on, and it started to slide off. 45:44.480 --> 45:46.480 I think you're right. 45:46.480 --> 45:49.480 Now, that was big news over here, actually. 45:49.480 --> 45:50.480 The garbage cleaning. 45:50.480 --> 45:53.480 Yeah, I always go to New York for the big news events. 45:53.480 --> 45:55.480 And you know, there were a couple other people. 45:55.480 --> 45:59.480 I got really, really stink and drunk one night with Leslie Pinkney. 45:59.480 --> 46:00.480 Well, I goodness. 46:00.480 --> 46:04.480 These are all people who used to work with us at thinking of ideas. 46:04.480 --> 46:10.480 And well, and it's, it's quasi relevant because Leslie is now vice president of music 46:10.480 --> 46:16.480 development for tempo, which is the Latin and Caribbean music channel owned by MTV Network. 46:16.480 --> 46:17.480 Okay. 46:17.480 --> 46:18.480 Interesting. 46:18.480 --> 46:21.480 So these people all kind of landed on their feet? 46:21.480 --> 46:22.480 Yeah. 46:22.480 --> 46:23.480 That's nice. 46:23.480 --> 46:24.480 Leslie's doing well. 46:24.480 --> 46:29.480 She looked great, and she can buy a mean shot or ten of patron silver. 46:29.480 --> 46:37.480 And the other person that I got really stink and drunk with. 46:37.480 --> 46:38.480 It was a theme. 46:38.480 --> 46:39.480 Separate occasion. 46:39.480 --> 46:40.480 Oh, yeah. 46:40.480 --> 46:41.480 Oh, yeah. 46:41.480 --> 46:46.480 Every night I was in New York was our old friend and former makeup artist to the stars. 46:46.480 --> 46:47.480 Keon Stava. 46:47.480 --> 46:48.480 Keon. 46:48.480 --> 46:49.480 Oh, man. 46:49.480 --> 46:50.480 How was she doing? 46:50.480 --> 46:51.480 Keon's done really well. 46:51.480 --> 46:52.480 She's doing makeup. 46:52.480 --> 46:54.480 Whatever happened to Jimmy. 46:54.480 --> 46:58.480 Jimmy had a falling out with MTV Networks. 46:58.480 --> 47:00.480 And then he went to the west coast. 47:00.480 --> 47:03.480 And he was, I don't know what he got swallowed up. 47:03.480 --> 47:04.480 He got swallowed up. 47:04.480 --> 47:05.480 She knows. 47:05.480 --> 47:06.480 What he's doing. 47:06.480 --> 47:07.480 But I forgot. 47:07.480 --> 47:08.480 We were really drunk. 47:08.480 --> 47:09.480 I'm sure she told me. 47:09.480 --> 47:11.480 That's funny. 47:11.480 --> 47:12.480 Oh, wow. 47:12.480 --> 47:13.480 So yeah. 47:13.480 --> 47:16.480 She sends her love to you as well. 47:16.480 --> 47:18.480 Keon was always very cool. 47:18.480 --> 47:20.480 And I'm hot on the chair. 47:20.480 --> 47:24.480 I had a brief chat with JB and our friend JB Miller. 47:24.480 --> 47:25.480 JB Miller. 47:25.480 --> 47:27.480 You used to work at MTV with us with Steve Leads. 47:27.480 --> 47:29.480 He's can't remember where Steve wins. 47:29.480 --> 47:30.480 Oh, no. 47:30.480 --> 47:31.480 I talked to Leads all the time. 47:31.480 --> 47:32.480 Where is Steve now? 47:32.480 --> 47:33.480 He's not serious. 47:33.480 --> 47:34.480 Yeah. 47:34.480 --> 47:35.480 He's a satellite. 47:35.480 --> 47:41.480 He does talent, create coordination. 47:41.480 --> 47:44.480 So you know, all the Steve Leads. 47:44.480 --> 47:45.480 Yes, Steve Leads. 47:45.480 --> 47:47.480 Everyone who comes on to any show. 47:47.480 --> 47:49.480 It's not to be confused with this brother Harvey Lee. 47:49.480 --> 47:50.480 No, no, no. 47:50.480 --> 47:52.480 I saw Harvey a while back, too. 47:52.480 --> 47:54.480 But yeah, no, Steve is a, hey, baby. 47:54.480 --> 47:55.480 I'm on with Ken. 47:55.480 --> 47:56.480 You want to say hi to Keon. 47:56.480 --> 47:57.480 Hey, baby. 47:57.480 --> 47:58.480 Hold on. 47:58.480 --> 47:59.480 Patricia. 47:59.480 --> 48:02.480 I put your earphones on, huh? 48:03.480 --> 48:04.480 Where are my earphones? 48:04.480 --> 48:05.480 There are the hang in there. 48:05.480 --> 48:06.480 The white ones. 48:08.480 --> 48:12.480 This may not be this may have to be a multiple installment show, 48:12.480 --> 48:14.480 because trouble is about to start. 48:14.480 --> 48:15.480 Oh, okay. 48:15.480 --> 48:16.480 You got it on. 48:16.480 --> 48:17.480 You can hear me. 48:17.480 --> 48:18.480 Yeah. 48:18.480 --> 48:19.480 Say how to Ken. 48:19.480 --> 48:20.480 Oh, my God. 48:20.480 --> 48:21.480 It's like you're in the room here. 48:21.480 --> 48:23.480 I said, I wish you were. 48:23.480 --> 48:24.480 I want to. 48:24.480 --> 48:25.480 I said it. 48:25.480 --> 48:28.480 It felt like Adam was almost inside me when we used to, 48:28.480 --> 48:29.480 and I put it in the phone. 48:29.480 --> 48:30.480 Excuse me. 48:31.480 --> 48:32.480 It's been a while since we've talked. 48:32.480 --> 48:33.480 Yeah. 48:33.480 --> 48:34.480 And we've each other. 48:34.480 --> 48:35.480 So he was in stereo. 48:35.480 --> 48:36.480 She's me. 48:36.480 --> 48:37.480 Oh. 48:40.480 --> 48:42.480 I want to give you a hug. 48:42.480 --> 48:43.480 How are you, Patricia? 48:43.480 --> 48:44.480 I'm fine. 48:44.480 --> 48:45.480 I'm fine. 48:45.480 --> 48:46.480 I'm doing good. 48:46.480 --> 48:47.480 Very good. 48:47.480 --> 48:48.480 Very happy. 48:48.480 --> 48:49.480 Tell me about the house. 48:49.480 --> 48:51.480 Tell me about the house and then we'll hang up. 48:51.480 --> 48:52.480 You want to tell me about the house? 48:52.480 --> 48:53.480 No. 48:53.480 --> 48:54.480 No. 48:54.480 --> 48:56.480 Did you lower the, 48:56.480 --> 48:57.480 wait, new house? 48:57.480 --> 48:58.480 Yeah. 48:58.480 --> 48:59.480 Yeah, we finally found something. 48:59.480 --> 49:00.480 I think we found something. 49:00.480 --> 49:01.480 I'll send you a link. 49:01.480 --> 49:02.480 You know, can't see real estate. 49:02.480 --> 49:03.480 I know. 49:03.480 --> 49:04.480 He knows all about this. 49:04.480 --> 49:05.480 Oh, yeah. 49:05.480 --> 49:06.480 Dude, you would clean up here. 49:06.480 --> 49:07.480 It's fucking mess. 49:07.480 --> 49:08.480 Eating well. 49:08.480 --> 49:10.480 Fucking mess. 49:10.480 --> 49:13.480 When are you coming over, dude? 49:13.480 --> 49:17.480 I think, well, I'm looking at my schedule now. 49:17.480 --> 49:20.480 And um, have all like a week from Friday. 49:20.480 --> 49:21.480 No, okay. 49:21.480 --> 49:22.480 I don't know. 49:22.480 --> 49:23.480 No, but you have. 49:23.480 --> 49:26.480 When am I going to just nip over to, 49:27.480 --> 49:29.480 to Portland, I would be easier for everyone 49:29.480 --> 49:31.480 to get together and stand for in Cisco. 49:31.480 --> 49:33.480 Wouldn't it, for you, yeah? 49:33.480 --> 49:34.480 Yeah. 49:34.480 --> 49:36.480 He's really saying that. 49:36.480 --> 49:37.480 He's really saying that. 49:37.480 --> 49:39.480 He's like, we're going to be in the meantime. 49:39.480 --> 49:40.480 The bottoms. 49:40.480 --> 49:41.480 They're all the time. 49:41.480 --> 49:42.480 And don't you go visit? 49:42.480 --> 49:43.480 No. 49:43.480 --> 49:44.480 Not a lot of them. 49:44.480 --> 49:45.480 No, not a lot. 49:45.480 --> 49:47.480 But she's been twice, dude. 49:47.480 --> 49:49.480 Well, that's what I'm saying in it. 49:49.480 --> 49:51.480 At that point, you're an hour and ten minutes away from me. 49:51.480 --> 49:53.480 So, you know, I should just nip down. 49:53.480 --> 49:54.480 Yeah. 49:54.480 --> 49:55.480 But that's saying. 49:56.480 --> 49:58.480 But that's your country. 49:58.480 --> 49:59.480 You have to see another. 49:59.480 --> 50:00.480 I would rather go to. 50:00.480 --> 50:01.480 I would rather go to London. 50:01.480 --> 50:02.480 Yeah. 50:02.480 --> 50:03.480 Well, there you go. 50:03.480 --> 50:04.480 I have to go. 50:04.480 --> 50:07.480 I have been in London and see everything this so much. 50:07.480 --> 50:08.480 You would love it. 50:08.480 --> 50:10.480 We'll go visit boy George together. 50:10.480 --> 50:11.480 It is. 50:11.480 --> 50:12.480 Well, it is my mother country. 50:12.480 --> 50:13.480 You know, I mean, my last. 50:13.480 --> 50:14.480 I know. 50:14.480 --> 50:17.480 Didn't I say that to you when I met you the first time? 50:17.480 --> 50:18.480 Are you English? 50:18.480 --> 50:19.480 Yes. 50:19.480 --> 50:20.480 Actually, I am. 50:20.480 --> 50:21.480 Yes. 50:21.480 --> 50:22.480 Can you tell by his accent? 50:22.480 --> 50:23.480 I know. 50:23.480 --> 50:24.480 Yes. 50:25.480 --> 50:26.480 Oh, we don't want to pass. 50:26.480 --> 50:27.480 There was a pass. 50:27.480 --> 50:28.480 A pass. 50:28.480 --> 50:29.480 A pass. 50:29.480 --> 50:30.480 A pass in the mix. 50:30.480 --> 50:31.480 A pass. 50:31.480 --> 50:32.480 Yes. 50:32.480 --> 50:34.480 And so Patricia came up here to get me down for dinner. 50:34.480 --> 50:35.480 Yes. 50:35.480 --> 50:37.480 It's been like 50 minutes. 50:37.480 --> 50:38.480 So we should stop anyway. 50:38.480 --> 50:39.480 All right. 50:39.480 --> 50:40.480 I guess that's enough for now. 50:40.480 --> 50:42.480 And it's going to send you everybody. 50:42.480 --> 50:43.480 Can wait for next year. 50:43.480 --> 50:44.480 But the 20. 50:44.480 --> 50:46.480 So it's to do our next in storm. 50:46.480 --> 50:47.480 Yeah. 50:47.480 --> 50:51.480 Now, listen, can't will you really come to San Francisco next time on there? 50:52.480 --> 50:53.480 It's entirely possible. 50:53.480 --> 50:58.480 It's a lot easier for me to nip down to San Francisco that it is a schedule time to go to English. 50:58.480 --> 50:59.480 You should come and you'd like it. 50:59.480 --> 51:00.480 You'd like it. 51:00.480 --> 51:01.480 It's a good vibe. 51:01.480 --> 51:02.480 Well, cool. 51:02.480 --> 51:04.480 We'll talk about that actually. 51:04.480 --> 51:05.480 Okay. 51:05.480 --> 51:09.480 Well, thanks for taking time out of your your morning can. 51:09.480 --> 51:11.480 Well, and thank you for having me. 51:11.480 --> 51:13.480 And so much fun. 51:13.480 --> 51:14.480 How do you want to say anything? 51:14.480 --> 51:15.480 Take a bite? 51:15.480 --> 51:17.480 I would just want to say goodbye. 51:17.480 --> 51:19.480 And I just want to see you can. 51:19.480 --> 51:20.480 I know. 51:20.480 --> 51:21.480 I love you. 51:21.480 --> 51:22.480 I want to see you too. 51:22.480 --> 51:24.480 But you know, I think of you. 51:24.480 --> 51:26.480 It's so frequently. 51:26.480 --> 51:30.480 You're with me almost as much on a daily basis as you were when I was working in 51:30.480 --> 51:31.480 Your home. 51:31.480 --> 51:32.480 Oh, really. 51:32.480 --> 51:37.480 Well, actually, it's the same that we do because sometimes we talk about you. 51:37.480 --> 51:38.480 I don't know. 51:38.480 --> 51:40.480 You know, sometimes it doesn't come up. 51:40.480 --> 51:41.480 Yeah. 51:41.480 --> 51:42.480 And I said, okay. 51:42.480 --> 51:43.480 I'm still there. 51:43.480 --> 51:44.480 I'm still there. 51:44.480 --> 51:46.480 You're still in there lurking in the corner. 51:46.480 --> 51:47.480 Yeah. 51:47.480 --> 51:48.480 You would not believe Christina though. 51:48.480 --> 51:49.480 You would not believe her. 51:49.480 --> 51:51.480 Well, the pictures every time I see a picture. 51:51.480 --> 51:52.480 I just my jaw falls. 51:52.480 --> 51:54.480 And I say, like, holy shit. 51:54.480 --> 51:55.480 Oh, no. 51:55.480 --> 51:56.480 Yeah. 51:56.480 --> 51:57.480 My little shark in. 51:57.480 --> 51:58.480 Yeah. 51:58.480 --> 51:59.480 I still have photos here. 51:59.480 --> 52:01.480 There's a photo in my office. 52:01.480 --> 52:04.480 From her, like, oh, I don't know. 52:04.480 --> 52:06.480 I remember being at her second birthday. 52:06.480 --> 52:08.480 But I think this photo is from like her fourth or fifth birthday. 52:08.480 --> 52:11.480 And it was that you had a pool party in your backyard. 52:11.480 --> 52:12.480 Um, so no. 52:12.480 --> 52:13.480 I look at pictures ever now. 52:13.480 --> 52:16.480 And I just, I feel like an old fuck. 52:16.480 --> 52:17.480 Yeah. 52:17.480 --> 52:18.480 And remember always naked. 52:18.480 --> 52:19.480 Always naked. 52:19.480 --> 52:20.480 She was always naked. 52:20.480 --> 52:24.480 The moment she came home, she would take off her clothes. 52:24.480 --> 52:25.480 She actually still does. 52:25.480 --> 52:26.480 Yeah. 52:26.480 --> 52:27.480 She does that. 52:27.480 --> 52:30.480 And I've left numerous times about her obsession over the pantyhose. 52:30.480 --> 52:31.480 Yeah. 52:31.480 --> 52:32.480 What was that? 52:32.480 --> 52:33.480 The pantyhose obsession. 52:33.480 --> 52:34.480 She wanted a pantyhose. 52:34.480 --> 52:35.480 Always. 52:35.480 --> 52:36.480 I just, she always nutrition. 52:36.480 --> 52:38.480 Telling her to stop with the pantyhose. 52:38.480 --> 52:40.480 I'll put them all in the fireplace. 52:40.480 --> 52:41.480 I got you. 52:41.480 --> 52:42.480 Really? 52:42.480 --> 52:43.480 Good one. 52:43.480 --> 52:44.480 She meant it. 52:44.480 --> 52:45.480 Mommy meant it. 52:45.480 --> 52:46.480 Yes. 52:47.480 --> 52:48.480 Right. 52:48.480 --> 52:49.480 Oh, yeah. 52:49.480 --> 52:50.480 You have to see her. 52:50.480 --> 52:51.480 You have to see her. 52:51.480 --> 52:52.480 I know. 52:52.480 --> 52:53.480 Beautiful. 52:53.480 --> 52:55.480 So you got any stories on before we go? 52:55.480 --> 52:56.480 Interview stories. 52:56.480 --> 52:57.480 Oh, I'm TV stories. 52:57.480 --> 52:59.480 We're just doing MTV stories. 52:59.480 --> 53:00.480 No. 53:00.480 --> 53:01.480 No. 53:01.480 --> 53:07.480 Remember we were discussing the fact that I had been in New York for the, for the 25th anniversary 53:07.480 --> 53:08.480 of MTV. 53:08.480 --> 53:09.480 Oh, you did. 53:09.480 --> 53:10.480 When I was talking about the, 53:10.480 --> 53:12.480 remember you used to go with us to Los Angeles. 53:12.480 --> 53:15.480 And we, we did a lot of fun stuff in Los Angeles. 53:16.480 --> 53:18.480 The only thing I just, I saw him again. 53:18.480 --> 53:20.480 John, uh, 53:20.480 --> 53:21.480 Norris. 53:21.480 --> 53:22.480 No. 53:22.480 --> 53:23.480 Yeah. 53:23.480 --> 53:24.480 You're coming in the neck. 53:24.480 --> 53:25.480 John Norris. 53:25.480 --> 53:28.480 And I remember he was sort of a go for them. 53:28.480 --> 53:29.480 You know. 53:29.480 --> 53:30.480 Yeah. 53:30.480 --> 53:31.480 Oh, he was here. 53:31.480 --> 53:33.480 He was a writer in the news department. 53:33.480 --> 53:34.480 I'm sorry. 53:34.480 --> 53:35.480 I thought he was a go for it. 53:35.480 --> 53:36.480 I drew in your, 53:36.480 --> 53:37.480 I drew in your V.J. 53:37.480 --> 53:40.480 I could really clearly Patricia treated him as a go for it. 53:40.480 --> 53:41.480 Hey. 53:41.480 --> 53:42.480 Hey, boy. 53:42.480 --> 53:43.480 We'll get my call. 53:43.480 --> 53:44.480 It was my latte. 53:44.480 --> 53:46.480 And he was in the back care of the car. 53:46.480 --> 53:47.480 I remember that. 53:47.480 --> 53:48.480 And we were in Los Angeles. 53:48.480 --> 53:49.480 In Los Angeles. 53:49.480 --> 53:54.480 And we had to go to somewhere on the mountain where you had an interview with somebody. 53:54.480 --> 53:55.480 Can he log in? 53:55.480 --> 53:56.480 Was that problem? 53:56.480 --> 53:57.480 I don't know. 53:57.480 --> 53:58.480 But he was in the back of the car. 53:58.480 --> 54:00.480 He was a very, 54:00.480 --> 54:02.480 uh, 54:02.480 --> 54:03.480 uptight, 54:03.480 --> 54:05.480 very nervous. 54:05.480 --> 54:06.480 Oh, yeah. 54:06.480 --> 54:07.480 And you know, 54:07.480 --> 54:08.480 his eyes were very big and he was so. 54:08.480 --> 54:10.480 I thought you were going to say emaciated. 54:10.480 --> 54:11.480 Now maybe. 54:11.480 --> 54:13.480 But he was, 54:13.480 --> 54:14.480 he wanted to be at him. 54:14.480 --> 54:15.480 I just knew it. 54:15.480 --> 54:16.480 Really? 54:16.480 --> 54:17.480 Yeah. 54:17.480 --> 54:18.480 He was constantly looking into. 54:18.480 --> 54:19.480 And you, 54:19.480 --> 54:22.480 you could tell that he thought I won't be there. 54:22.480 --> 54:23.480 Oh. 54:23.480 --> 54:24.480 Oh. 54:24.480 --> 54:25.480 I'm in the wrong spot. 54:25.480 --> 54:26.480 Yeah. 54:26.480 --> 54:27.480 He got there. 54:27.480 --> 54:28.480 He got there. 54:28.480 --> 54:29.480 He got there. 54:29.480 --> 54:30.480 I mean, 54:30.480 --> 54:31.480 He got there. 54:31.480 --> 54:32.480 He got there. 54:32.480 --> 54:33.480 He got there. 54:33.480 --> 54:35.480 He got there. 54:35.480 --> 54:36.480 He got there. 54:36.480 --> 54:37.480 Oh, yeah. 54:37.480 --> 54:38.480 He got there. 54:38.480 --> 54:39.480 You got there. 54:39.480 --> 54:40.480 Huh. 54:40.480 --> 54:42.480 Aren't you glad we don't still do that by the way? 54:42.480 --> 54:53.200 Yeah, but it was always it was really really fun then, but thank God we don't still do that 54:53.200 --> 54:58.400 No, but then it was the MTV that you know MTV should have been you know 54:58.400 --> 55:02.560 Oh, hey, hey, that's not fair. MTV evolved. They had to do what they had to do. That's fine 55:02.560 --> 55:07.840 I know but it was it was it was the time when it was fun. Do you still do you think they still have fun? 55:08.480 --> 55:13.680 Yeah, I think they have fun. They probably have fun. I mean because they weren't there then 55:13.680 --> 55:18.160 So they don't have the perspective on it and there's always new people coming in and then there's no 55:18.160 --> 55:25.680 An exciting and no trends in do you know. I mean to us we we got old and jaded and it wasn't funny 55:25.680 --> 55:31.440 No, that's right. I started the suck the only thing I remember there was people got fired all the time 55:32.240 --> 55:37.600 Well, yeah, I mean revolving door bring it there. They were there and then we're gone. You mean VJs or you 55:37.600 --> 55:42.160 VJs everything well VJs and everyone else at the channel base 55:43.440 --> 55:49.840 I mean makeup is kind of a revolver, but I think that's the nature of the business and of television 55:49.840 --> 55:55.200 Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think so. Yeah, it was a bit of a springboard, but you know they brought people like Andrew 55:55.280 --> 55:57.280 Daddo from Australia 55:58.400 --> 56:01.760 Well, they was a nice guy. Yeah, he was all right, but 56:02.720 --> 56:07.040 There was that Richard Wilkins guy that you liked actually you got along with Richard. He was all right. 56:07.040 --> 56:11.280 He talked about that funny guy. He's still an actor an actor 56:11.840 --> 56:19.520 The funny guy. Yeah, the funny guy. He was so Kevin Steven Steven. No, I he's in Seattle and I think he went back to whatever his degree 56:19.520 --> 56:26.480 had been was like an engineering. Yeah, he was too into it. He was way too intelligent for that. He was 56:26.480 --> 56:33.520 saying well, I think he got through it all just by doing a lot of mushrooms. Yeah, screw probably was. Yeah, 56:33.520 --> 56:40.320 yeah, he was fucked up all the time all the time. Yeah, that's my money that in his infamous addition 56:40.320 --> 56:45.520 where he shaved while he was in this audition tape. Yeah, doing the thing and then started doing 56:45.520 --> 56:52.080 this bizarre way was it was it a special impersonation or something. He put on that shirt and tie and yeah, 56:52.080 --> 56:54.720 I see it. He was in fact tripping 56:55.920 --> 57:00.800 and he got hired those were the days man. We could get hired for you in some shrooms. That's it. 57:02.080 --> 57:09.680 All right, I can't I'm going to go have I'm going to go have dinner and all right. I'll talk to you real soon. Okay. All right. See you guys 57:09.680 --> 57:14.480 I'm going to shoot. We miss you, can. I miss you too. Okay. Love you. Bye. 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