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Delta, Sierra Charlie 501 01:03.720 --> 01:06.320 $16 million worth of airplane strapped my ass 01:07.200 --> 01:10.200 Then the next generation radio content in my ears 01:13.000 --> 01:15.000 I like to think I'm flying into the shirt 01:24.520 --> 01:26.520 I 01:29.800 --> 01:31.800 Question everything 01:31.800 --> 05:53.480 [ Music ] 05:53.480 --> 05:59.320 It's not like me to shave and say I'm sorry 06:00.280 --> 06:02.280 It's 06:03.960 --> 06:06.600 Nurse reverse engineering kick-in-off episode 06:06.600 --> 06:12.200 Number five zero one of the daily source code coming to you from San Francisco, California from the Curry Conno 06:12.200 --> 06:13.400 Good morning 06:13.400 --> 06:17.080 Good afternoon, good evening or house tomorrow down there in Australia 06:17.080 --> 06:20.040 I love it when these guys write some stuff on the pod tape music 06:20.040 --> 06:21.240 Now work about themselves 06:21.240 --> 06:22.680 Indie rock band from Toronto 06:22.680 --> 06:24.520 Please visit our MySpace page 06:24.520 --> 06:25.160 Here it goes 06:25.160 --> 06:28.520 We're all proud of our country and city without being overly political 06:28.680 --> 06:31.640 We have a sense of humor we hate rock stars we just love to write and play 06:31.640 --> 06:36.120 Hope you enjoy let us know if you do well of course just by reporting the song you automatically be notified 06:36.840 --> 06:39.880 Hey, it's a bright and early here on the west coast 06:40.440 --> 06:44.360 Of course I'm here this week um out at Pod Show HQ 06:45.160 --> 06:47.640 In San Francisco thanksgiving week so 06:48.680 --> 06:50.360 Getting the hang out with a lot of people 06:50.360 --> 06:54.600 There's a couple of uh I got definitely to get together's planned 06:54.920 --> 06:58.440 Near the end of the week looking forward to that a little bit of bonding with the 06:58.520 --> 07:00.920 With my amigos and amigos out here 07:01.800 --> 07:08.760 Hey big news that I have just not seen anyone report on I really really really don't understand why I'm not seeing more 07:10.440 --> 07:12.440 More about this certainly online 07:12.760 --> 07:15.560 Clear channel has agreed to be acquired 07:16.120 --> 07:18.600 The buyout is going to be completed 07:19.240 --> 07:22.760 18.7 billion dollars let me just go to the 07:23.720 --> 07:29.400 I'll crap I hate it when I do that I have all my notes in google note pad and if you click on a link there 07:29.400 --> 07:32.120 It doesn't pop open a new tab or a new window 07:33.400 --> 07:35.400 Sox anyway 07:35.720 --> 07:38.760 Here we go clear channel communications the owner of so this is from 07:39.160 --> 07:41.160 New York business.com 07:41.160 --> 07:44.440 The owner of seven local radio stations said Thursday it is agreed to be acquired for about 07:45.160 --> 07:51.240 $18.7 billion by group of investors led by Thomas H. Lee partners and bane capital partners now remember 07:52.760 --> 07:56.520 Whenever an industry is on its last legs there's only one thing it can do it's 07:57.240 --> 08:02.840 Consolidate so that's what clear channel was it it consolidated thousands of radio stations 08:02.840 --> 08:05.080 But also outdoor venues and all kinds of 08:06.200 --> 08:12.040 Related businesses and then there's only one thing way to go after that that's exactly what this is the company will be taken private 08:12.360 --> 08:14.360 It's a management buyout 08:15.160 --> 08:19.400 You know this is very similar to barbarians at the gate. You know KKR did with RGR in the bisco 08:20.040 --> 08:22.040 That usually fucks companies up 08:22.040 --> 08:26.280 I hate to say it for all the folks who are working at tier clear channel related companies 08:26.840 --> 08:32.600 But that means that certainly for the next year there's gonna be a lot of turmoil in radio people are gonna be 08:33.000 --> 08:35.560 Looking for well looking out for themselves of course 08:36.280 --> 08:39.400 I don't know what they had like 40,000 employees in total 08:40.680 --> 08:45.480 So when a new company comes in a management buyout like that what they do typically is they 08:45.800 --> 08:51.000 Trim everything down get rid of the quote excess fat which is usually comes in the form of people 08:52.200 --> 08:55.000 And then they they start you know chopping it up into bits 08:55.640 --> 08:58.200 So I think this is the time we really need to strike my friends 08:59.320 --> 09:02.520 It's strike hard. There's so many podcasts out there 09:04.920 --> 09:06.920 Some are good in some are 09:07.880 --> 09:14.520 This custodian. Oh, they're not that bad. Oh, not take the one called dancing with elephants for example. It's family safe 09:14.760 --> 09:21.720 I told you join Greg Tanya Nikolai and Caleb. Wow find them at dancing with elephants.com and join the fun 09:22.040 --> 09:24.040 Okay, we'll see you later. Bye. Bye 09:28.040 --> 09:31.560 Yesterday got a kind of a weird phone call on the voicemail 09:32.680 --> 09:36.520 Apparently from someone who knows jazell jazell. It was been calling me up and 09:37.560 --> 09:39.560 chatting me up to say the least 09:39.960 --> 09:43.640 Let me just play that again. So so we can remind each other of this 09:44.920 --> 09:49.080 I don't know who this is but stop fucking calling jazell ant hole 09:52.760 --> 09:56.920 I got a lot of people saying hey, what's going on with that? Okay. I got an email 09:57.880 --> 10:00.520 From jazell honey. I heard your show today 10:01.080 --> 10:06.440 Want to say I'm so sorry for so lots of those sorry for that message in your comment line 10:06.440 --> 10:12.600 I am so embarrassed that was Nick who's a complete jerk and isn't anything I really want to talk about but he doesn't control my life 10:13.320 --> 10:18.120 A friend of mine says I said there is a train that goes from San Diego to San Francisco if that's true 10:18.120 --> 10:22.280 I'm gonna come up there on Wednesday because I don't want you to be all alone for Thanksgiving 10:24.200 --> 10:27.880 And then she says here's something to think of me by and she sent me a picture 10:31.160 --> 10:34.200 Excuse me the old man and me can barely handle this is like a 10:35.240 --> 10:37.720 Very nice belly button picture 10:38.360 --> 10:46.120 Love jazell PS I would tell you to call me, but I don't think it's safe for me to use my phone for a couple of days until I get a new one 10:46.120 --> 10:52.600 PPS I looked it up fun. Oh god. I looked it up on the internet. I know where the pod show offices, so I'll just meet you there 10:55.080 --> 10:57.560 jazell. I don't know this is such a good idea 11:02.360 --> 11:05.160 Oh, sorry, it's way too early for me. You know 11:06.040 --> 11:10.680 Maybe we should get to know each other a little bit before you actually come on over here 11:10.680 --> 11:17.880 Yeah, I'm just over current you tell us near just responding to a comment made by the guy from spine grayio.com 11:19.720 --> 11:22.920 I think that's at 496 I'm a little bit behind at the moment 11:23.560 --> 11:25.320 You sort of that was zoom 11:25.320 --> 11:27.320 And he was saying that's 11:27.320 --> 11:32.760 Well, you know if you could set a windows media play just monitor a directory and if you download your podcast as an app 11:32.760 --> 11:38.600 Then it will upload them and that's all well and good and that's better than the iPod does because you need 11:38.600 --> 11:42.920 I actually want to get your podcast and it's a point that windows media play can do that 11:42.920 --> 11:49.880 But unfortunately windows media play is not supported on the zoom the only software that the zoom supports the stuff that comes with the player 11:50.680 --> 11:52.920 Most of our so confident in their previous 11:54.840 --> 11:56.840 MP3 products that they're not supporting 11:57.560 --> 12:01.800 Those previous products including the thing that's bundled in every copy windows on the using 12:02.680 --> 12:06.200 So there's only pretty much a podcast free zone at the moment 12:06.920 --> 12:08.920 Just so I see that back to you. Thanks a lot, bye 12:09.480 --> 12:13.800 Yeah, I appreciate it lots of people and I haven't really talked about the zoom that that much 12:14.440 --> 12:18.520 Obviously because out of the box it doesn't really understand what to do with podcast and unless you 12:18.520 --> 12:22.680 There is a way of course to drag an MP3 file into it somehow. I haven't seen one of these 12:23.240 --> 12:25.960 I have my hands kind of have been itching to check on out 12:26.520 --> 12:30.840 But most of what I've heard is oh, you know, they don't support podcasting 12:31.480 --> 12:35.640 And of course already the hacks are appearing on the scene. This came in this morning 12:36.840 --> 12:39.640 Yeah, and I'm this is a shoes calling from Chicago 12:40.360 --> 12:42.360 You were talking about 12:43.320 --> 12:47.480 All of a sudden you were talking to soon and that's how you need software 12:48.360 --> 12:49.160 or 12:49.160 --> 12:50.760 And that having software to play 12:51.080 --> 13:00.040 podcast or to get podcasts while I found out there's a program called our website that's called feed your soon 13:00.600 --> 13:06.920 All-one word that call of course, feed your soon that come off is a program that accompanies the soon player 13:07.640 --> 13:09.640 And let's you download 13:11.000 --> 13:19.800 Podcast to the zoom so you can play them and it seems to have some next features and hey, maybe there's a solution that you guys might want to be aware of 13:20.280 --> 13:24.520 You know, it's interesting. So I'm looking at this feed your zoom dot com look at looking at the page and 13:26.520 --> 13:28.520 It's just like iTunes 13:28.520 --> 13:31.960 Which of course, you know, on the one hand it's good because it looks like it can actually 13:32.840 --> 13:37.400 Subscribe you to podcasts and automatically download audio and video onto your zoom device 13:38.200 --> 13:41.400 Of course, this is yet another piece of software you need to manage 13:42.440 --> 13:44.680 To use to manage content to get it onto the device 13:45.640 --> 13:50.280 You know, I think that there's a really a hugely missed opportunity here 13:50.520 --> 13:58.680 You know, what's happening with these hardware manufacturers is they they market these MP3 players and video players and they market it with you know 13:58.680 --> 14:00.680 Essentially the only thing the consumer 14:01.080 --> 14:05.160 Cares about or at least I do as a consumer. You know, well, what content can I get with it? 14:05.880 --> 14:09.720 It's just like VHS and beta max, you know, who was buying beta maxes 14:10.360 --> 14:12.360 Well people who didn't want any content 14:13.320 --> 14:18.360 You know video stores sprung up and then of course everyone went to VHS because 14:19.240 --> 14:22.440 VHS had all the actually the porn I guess in the early days and 14:23.320 --> 14:27.960 All of these devices all these portable media devices are all being marketed as music machines 14:27.960 --> 14:31.480 I really believe that if you put a cheap machine out there in the marketplace 14:32.840 --> 14:34.840 But marketed it 14:35.160 --> 14:38.680 As a podcast receiver a pod catcher or 14:39.400 --> 14:41.400 Something along those lines I 14:42.280 --> 14:47.240 You know, or just said hey you want some great fucking alternative content to your radio. It's on this device 14:48.440 --> 14:51.800 Excuse me since I was blind on folders and all that stuff 14:54.120 --> 14:58.120 So I think that the first you know, there's got to be someone out there who can put a 14:59.080 --> 15:05.080 $99 device in the marketplace. Maybe we do it without audio first just to do it without video just do it with audio 15:05.800 --> 15:11.560 And and you know market it with look at all these these great shows you can get on this device 15:11.560 --> 15:13.800 I think that you know, I think that that would work 15:14.920 --> 15:21.800 And of course the zoom will support pod casting absolutely you know that it's it's gonna be in the next step from where revision or whatever 15:23.880 --> 15:25.880 So I think that's the missed opportunity here 15:26.600 --> 15:31.320 And it's very very hard to compete with something as massive as as iTunes in the iPod 15:32.120 --> 15:37.880 Anyway, keep an eye on it. So yesterday I told you that I was receiving lots of emails and audio feedbacks about 15:38.360 --> 15:42.360 Being discussed on this week in tech episode 15:42.760 --> 15:43.320 What is it? 15:43.320 --> 15:50.280 207-7-H whatever that means. That's the identifier here on the file and and I listen to it 15:52.200 --> 15:54.200 I was pretty amazed first of all about 15:55.320 --> 15:57.320 the misinformation 15:57.560 --> 15:59.880 being the disseminated through the show 16:00.520 --> 16:06.040 But also the invitation was quite interesting. Please listen in with me to this week in tech 16:07.480 --> 16:09.480 Leola port 16:09.480 --> 16:14.920 Jonsi de Vorak, well I'm a big fan of and I've known for a long or I met a long long time ago 16:16.040 --> 16:17.880 And I'm a big fan of what he does and then 16:18.840 --> 16:26.120 Forget the guys name he interviewed me at podcast con uk on Saturday and London and essentially he interviewed me and then 16:26.760 --> 16:30.120 Went right on to to he is a I guess a semi regular on Twitter 16:31.320 --> 16:33.720 And he had the following to say about me 16:37.720 --> 16:40.760 So I was anyway at the grocery store, you know, and he leaves you know after you know 16:40.760 --> 16:45.160 You should hold on a second. That's somehow it jumped back in in cast blaster 16:46.040 --> 16:47.400 Let me see 16:47.400 --> 16:49.400 He's Jonsi de Vorak talking about 16:49.960 --> 16:54.040 Famous people and that of course is the impetus here to start talking about me 16:57.080 --> 16:59.960 Ah, that's Leo talking some crap come on get to the 17:00.520 --> 17:06.040 Somehow I had it set up exact the exact point set up in cast blaster and then it like jump back 17:06.040 --> 17:07.720 I don't know if that has to do with the file size 17:09.080 --> 17:15.320 This is that's how the real world feels about podcast usually a logging web 2.0 web 3.0 17:15.320 --> 17:17.960 They don't care the whole world's going yeah, whatever 17:18.040 --> 17:22.040 Yep, that's very depressing 17:22.760 --> 17:29.160 All right, it's true you're right. What is the the other father of podcasting adzam curry yesterday? 17:29.160 --> 17:32.840 What oh my god, this is amazing. Where did the man? Where'd you meet him? 17:33.560 --> 17:41.160 Uh, podcast con uk. Oh really they had a podcast uk version of the portable media expert right in it with emphasis on the word con 17:42.120 --> 17:44.680 All right, all right, that's a funny line 17:45.400 --> 17:51.320 That was the in joke. Yes, so tell me about what happened to podcast? Well, he tensed up the apparently he's moved to England 17:51.640 --> 17:55.560 Yeah, that's right. He was apparently how about I've been there for two years, dude 17:56.200 --> 17:57.880 Belgium or somewhere and now he's back 17:57.880 --> 18:02.520 Yeah, he's actually he tends up because is it hot show? 18:03.080 --> 18:08.680 Yes, this guy is now pretending like he doesn't know who I am or or who pod show is he was all over me in podcast 18:08.680 --> 18:13.720 I got to find out what this guy's name is because now he's like, oh, I'm going to talk shit about Adam 18:13.720 --> 18:18.440 I think this company has his company has now got a sort of uk version, which is 18:18.840 --> 18:25.000 BT pod show British telecom pod show who sort of bulls with concept. He is a man. He is a mad deal maker that man 18:25.000 --> 18:30.360 I can't believe we turned up. He's got you know how much you just seen how much much venture funding he got for pod show 18:31.080 --> 18:33.080 Half million oh it's over 15 18:33.800 --> 18:39.880 Really no actually it's a over 23 15 million wiki pd says eight and a half minutes 18:39.880 --> 18:43.720 Oh, it's behind the time. I got no, no, please whatever you do believe wiki pd 18:43.720 --> 18:46.600 Okay, that shit's always right behind the times 18:46.600 --> 18:52.520 I wanted to go in and edit that and put in the correct number and I got deleted because people said I was over inflating shit 18:52.520 --> 18:56.840 But both numbers are ridiculous. Where is the show me the money? 18:57.480 --> 19:00.760 Yeah, so what is so tell me he shows up in what you said he is he wearing an outfit 19:01.240 --> 19:06.920 And I rate just pink jumper with pink sunglasses no this raining outside and we're the middle of grey London right now 19:06.920 --> 19:11.160 Yeah hold on a second hold on a second dude first of all 19:13.000 --> 19:14.920 These aren't pink sunglasses 19:14.920 --> 19:18.680 He was sitting no more than 20 centimeters away from me 19:19.320 --> 19:22.600 Their glasses and their rose colored glasses 19:23.800 --> 19:26.760 I love watching in the world through rose colored glasses 19:27.480 --> 19:32.040 You're totally misrepresenting that I was wearing sunglasses inside now 19:32.040 --> 19:38.280 They were not sunglasses did completely wrong and then the jumpa as you call it is a sweater 19:38.840 --> 19:45.160 Of course, it was pink and matched the glasses before I leave the house. I have two very stylish women 19:46.120 --> 19:50.120 Who evaluate what I have on and then dress me up 19:51.560 --> 19:55.960 I'm so sorry. I didn't know that you or the rest of the podcast community were the 19:57.080 --> 20:01.320 Fashion icons. I thought you were no got the pink sunglasses take the boy out of MTV 20:01.320 --> 20:06.120 But you can't take the TV out of the boy. That's all I can say right and he was really interesting even though he's like 20:06.680 --> 20:10.280 What he's like 63 now oh fuck you Leo dude 20:11.160 --> 20:13.160 You know so many people 20:13.160 --> 20:17.960 I got really I could start it very early. I was on television when I was 19. I'm only 42 20:17.960 --> 20:23.400 Please don't make me feel any worse than I already do about that Leo. This took at the long blonde hair in the pink jumper 20:27.240 --> 20:32.040 And he's out in the corner. It's basically just chatting to people who are coming up and looks like grandpa on one stir 20:32.840 --> 20:35.880 He Leo. I know you're kidding about this, right? 20:40.280 --> 20:45.720 He never happened to graceful aging gracefully. That's all I ask 20:46.360 --> 20:52.840 I'm throwing some quick say what was it what he's what he was kind of like the bad boy in the corner. Is that what he was doing? 20:52.840 --> 20:54.840 No, man 20:55.560 --> 21:00.920 That was just feeling up the females yeah people were just like saying hello and he was throwing it 21:00.920 --> 21:04.280 I think well the did you have to kiss his ring when he comes when you come up to him or man? 21:05.560 --> 21:09.240 He has got quite a big ring. He does. I've kissed it. Well 21:09.960 --> 21:14.440 Kissing you kissed not exactly kissing when anyone was here somewhere 21:15.800 --> 21:21.240 Yeah, no punch line. He was just throwing crotes out like you know how thick was it was never going to be worth 21:21.880 --> 21:26.280 Anything that it was just like a policy. You know what you want to know the sad thing and that dig stuff 21:26.280 --> 21:28.840 You know that is so you are such a dickweed 21:29.400 --> 21:32.840 You know, I thought you were a journalist. You know that is not what I said 21:33.720 --> 21:37.080 You're taking my my words completely out of context 21:38.200 --> 21:40.840 Who is this guy but when he get brain damage 21:42.920 --> 21:44.920 No, because he has eight and a half million he knows 21:45.880 --> 21:46.920 Well, yeah 21:46.920 --> 21:48.920 digs never going to be worth anything 21:49.640 --> 21:51.640 Kiss my ring. I've got a pink jumper 21:51.800 --> 21:57.320 You show you don't like Adam I take it. No, I'm just teasing him. I don't know. He said he listed he said right 21:57.320 --> 22:02.520 This is the best quote from him all day. I said I slice me at him. I actually do a podcast 22:02.520 --> 22:06.040 I'm on the as by a friend of my Lea La Poe. I do this week in tech. He said oh, yes 22:06.040 --> 22:12.120 I know this week in tech. Oh, yeah. I know he said generally I all like do is I check the website to see if the 22:13.080 --> 22:16.680 I'm not that late. Oh, interesting. Well, he's got what's up? He's a smart guy 22:20.280 --> 22:22.280 Adam carries your biggest fan job 22:22.280 --> 22:27.240 I'm not as big as fan, but you know, I met Devorac in the very early 90s 22:28.280 --> 22:31.960 Maybe it was even maybe it was 80 maybe it was 1990 22:32.680 --> 22:37.480 This outfit in California and at the time I had it, you know, I was just working at MTV for a couple of years 22:37.480 --> 22:41.320 I had an agent in Los Angeles Marion Rosenberg very famous agent who 22:42.200 --> 22:46.440 I think what I had gotten some kind of gig on a totally hidden video 22:47.400 --> 22:51.960 Which was a Fox TV show and the executive producer of that a guy named Kevin Wendell 22:52.760 --> 22:56.920 Who would I think actually help set up the Fox network of television stations 22:58.040 --> 22:59.080 formerly known as the 23:00.280 --> 23:02.280 Code hanger network 23:03.000 --> 23:05.000 The wire code hanger network 23:05.000 --> 23:09.320 He was brought into Cnet early on because it was a television project 23:09.320 --> 23:13.560 It was going to be a television channel and it was going to be a tech oriented channel 23:14.920 --> 23:16.920 On cable and 23:16.920 --> 23:21.480 So I think it it came through Kevin Wendell and he had of course teamed up with the founders of Cnet 23:22.840 --> 23:24.840 Shelby Bonnie and 23:25.480 --> 23:26.840 Halsey minor 23:26.840 --> 23:29.480 I'm sure there were other investors and they basically 23:30.360 --> 23:35.160 Said you know, you know, they contracted me to come out and do a pilot and the pilot consisted of a number of different shows 23:35.160 --> 23:40.200 There were basically creating a I think like a 12 hour block of Cnet programming and based upon that 23:40.200 --> 23:49.640 They would go out and get get more venture funding and it was one of the most amazing trips of my life that that I've ever made because it was actually was it was life changing 23:50.440 --> 23:55.560 Because I remember I'd never really been to San Francisco. I remember arriving at SFO and you know 23:55.560 --> 24:01.320 Seeing like I'd never seen so many laptop bags in my life remember this is a 1990 or 91 very very early 24:01.960 --> 24:06.200 And you know, there was a guy sitting over in the corner with his C++ 24:07.800 --> 24:09.080 Developers kit 24:09.080 --> 24:15.480 Yeah, you know the the actual shrink wrap box under his arm. I'm like wow that this is and I was geek, you know, so I thought yeah 24:15.480 --> 24:17.480 This could be kind of a place for me 24:18.040 --> 24:20.040 You know what the real bummer is 24:20.280 --> 24:24.120 God, this is a bummer. If you're listening to this on serious satellite stars 102 24:24.680 --> 24:28.600 You got it down low the rest of the show with daily source code dot com to hear the rest of the story 24:29.240 --> 24:38.680 Because there's some good as history in here when it comes to Silicon Valley so anyway you guys love to do that and I also have a shakes live recording 24:40.440 --> 24:42.440 To anyway 24:42.440 --> 24:45.720 They they didn't even have a website in fact 24:47.480 --> 24:49.480 During that I think it was like a weekend where I 24:50.920 --> 24:54.120 Where this was taking place it was a really cool set 24:55.080 --> 24:59.160 You know lots of television professionals. So it was pretty fun to work with them 24:59.960 --> 25:03.480 There was a co-host on the channel at the time Dr. Mae Gemison 25:04.360 --> 25:06.360 astronaut 25:06.360 --> 25:09.000 And she was extremely nice and there was a 25:10.520 --> 25:12.360 And then there was kind of like a roundtable 25:12.920 --> 25:13.880 program 25:13.880 --> 25:19.800 For get what it was called but it was very much like the McGlockling group and John C. Devorex sat there with a number of other 25:19.880 --> 25:21.880 um 25:22.200 --> 25:24.360 Well, I guess you would call them pundits these days 25:24.760 --> 25:31.800 In fact very much like what the Gilmore gang is only it was a video version and I was fantastic you know there was 25:32.600 --> 25:34.600 John Perry Barlow I 25:34.600 --> 25:36.600 Met him there and hung out with him 25:36.600 --> 25:42.200 That's where I met Mark Cantor for the first time and I'll never forget you know three o'clock in the morning 25:42.200 --> 25:46.840 Mark Cantor holding court and all these kids and myself included basically sitting around and 25:47.800 --> 25:52.120 Spoken dope listening to stories of early Macintoshes and early 25:52.760 --> 25:58.840 Just really the early Silicon Valley days of personal computing and it was it was just so enthralling 25:58.840 --> 26:05.880 I'm like wow this is like a like hippie stuff out here for geeks and I have to admit I felt very very comfortable and very very much at home 26:05.880 --> 26:08.120 I really don't think so no 26:08.120 --> 26:12.920 Adam's a great guy and really what there would be no part you know he used to be a scene at in the early days and they got rid of him 26:13.000 --> 26:15.000 For some oh 26:17.000 --> 26:22.120 I hope that is not what Shelby and Halsey told you John C 26:23.080 --> 26:27.080 Here's what here's what happened so I did the pilot which they paid me for and 26:28.280 --> 26:35.480 You know before I did that we actually signed and agreement you know that said well, you know if everything gets picked up then we'll take you on for this amount of money 26:37.880 --> 26:41.880 And it's like two million options or something like that options in C net 26:42.680 --> 26:47.720 And as I said a minute ago, they they didn't have a website so actually while I was there that week and a registered 26:47.720 --> 26:49.720 C net dot com for them and 26:50.040 --> 26:53.080 I set up a email forwarding to their AOL 26:53.560 --> 26:56.280 addresses because they had all they had was AOL 26:57.160 --> 27:02.360 America online and American online didn't even have remember this was pre American online 27:02.920 --> 27:09.400 Giving their users access to the internet remember those days when you could only use the AOL browser and 27:09.480 --> 27:15.320 And they would only let you go to certain sites and it cashed everything for hours and all man how the good old days 27:17.400 --> 27:20.200 And so you know I actually ran there their 27:21.240 --> 27:26.200 Their email and their domain name registration for almost a year so after that weekend 27:26.760 --> 27:32.040 You know a couple things happened. Oh, also I had to move to San Francisco to do it and you know that was one thing the 27:32.040 --> 27:36.600 Petrition I definitely weren't really it wasn't the right moment for us to move to San Francisco 27:36.840 --> 27:40.840 But also I felt that they had no vision, you know, I was I and I remember telling them there 27:41.160 --> 27:47.480 Said you know, do you do please you know the future of what you're doing here is great the whole idea of a content 27:48.120 --> 27:50.920 Network around technology is fantastic 27:50.920 --> 27:55.800 But you've got to look further than a cable channel. You've got to look at what you can do with this stuff online 27:55.800 --> 28:01.560 It's all gonna come it's happening and of course these guys just didn't have the vision because they couldn't even see the internet because they were on AOL 28:02.520 --> 28:08.840 And so I I wasn't too sure. I was gonna take the gig to start with but then they did something really 28:10.200 --> 28:12.200 I think it was really stupid 28:12.200 --> 28:16.360 Oh, it certainly wasn't a nice thing to do. They got investment in based upon 28:18.280 --> 28:23.960 I guess partially based upon the pilot and then they had to do like a reverse split and 28:27.240 --> 28:29.720 What's the word I'm looking for right I never have to deal with this word 28:32.360 --> 28:33.560 Oh 28:33.560 --> 28:35.560 I'm spacing 28:38.600 --> 28:40.600 I know the Dutch word 28:41.080 --> 28:43.080 for Valtara 28:43.080 --> 28:45.080 crap anyway 28:45.080 --> 28:49.880 I had two million shares and then all of a sudden all that had to change and there was all this paperwork and 28:50.520 --> 28:53.240 Delusion. Oh, thank you. I told you it never have to deal with that 28:55.160 --> 28:57.160 And and everyone was deluding 28:57.240 --> 29:03.480 So instead of you know taking this out of their own option pool or however else they were dealing with the money coming in and the shares being split up 29:03.480 --> 29:07.880 They took it away from people they had you know promised a part two before that. It was just it was like fuck you 29:08.360 --> 29:11.560 You know you guys got no vision and you clearly aren't entirely nice 29:11.880 --> 29:13.960 So I'll just pass you know thank you very much 29:13.960 --> 29:19.480 I had a good time but I'm not gonna take you up on the opportunity so they didn't get rid of me John C. Devorek 29:20.040 --> 29:22.040 I did not get rid of me 29:22.040 --> 29:23.400 God 29:23.480 --> 29:26.920 But I'd like to know if that's what they told you in another way. He was quite the visionary 29:26.920 --> 29:28.280 I mean when he was at MTV 29:28.760 --> 29:30.760 He left and and started an ISP 29:31.480 --> 29:34.840 I mean, I know here's a piece of sharp eye. I did not start an ISP 29:36.200 --> 29:41.560 Leo God this how this is you got you know this is what happens whenever you listen to or listen to a 29:42.520 --> 29:47.000 Show or read something that's about yourself you hear all these 29:47.960 --> 29:53.560 Incredible inconsistencies untruths and mistakes and you've got to question 29:54.120 --> 29:59.960 The next thing you're listening to or reading which you don't know that much about you've got a question if it's ever's a writer not 30:00.440 --> 30:02.440 No, I did not start an ISP 30:02.920 --> 30:04.760 I started a company called on-ramp 30:05.880 --> 30:11.880 Now there was an ISP called on-ramp in Texas at the time but it was definitely two different types of companies 30:12.840 --> 30:19.960 I started a really what was it turned out to be an interactive advertising agency. We were building websites. You know first client was 30:21.800 --> 30:27.560 What do we have? We built planet reboc.com but wiser dot com tampax dot com the website 30:27.560 --> 30:29.560 You'll visit more than once a month 30:29.560 --> 30:32.600 We built continental airlines flightcontinental dot com 30:33.320 --> 30:38.440 You know that's what I was doing and yes, I did leave MTV. I quit on the air and said 30:38.600 --> 30:42.280 I think the internet's the place to be we should go find that piece of video someone has it somewhere 30:42.280 --> 30:45.880 It was right after the number one of the top 20 countdown. I remember it was loser by back 30:45.880 --> 30:51.400 Which I thought was just so interesting but I'm surprised you know I think I remember I was in Europe 30:52.120 --> 30:57.000 In the late 90s before the dot com bus and I was reading one of these I think it was a Dutch paper 30:57.400 --> 30:59.400 Talking about him how he's worth a hundred million 31:00.280 --> 31:02.280 Devorac can read Dutch 31:02.280 --> 31:05.640 Dollars and he's very good at promoting himself and 31:05.960 --> 31:11.000 I couldn't figure out what yeah, I think and wow, you know because he owned all this stuff and then didn't I don't know what happened 31:11.000 --> 31:15.880 And then next thing you know he's been doing a bunch of other stuff and so I I think he's he's 31:16.360 --> 31:20.760 Become a mysterious person and so far as what is what he's worth what money is 31:20.760 --> 31:25.640 I got you know what we want to keep it that way John C. Devorac 31:26.200 --> 31:31.080 I want you to be always thinking what's courty up to what's he doing behind my back? 31:32.040 --> 31:39.960 What I've got $20 right here for you Adam U.S. cash on the table if you want to be on Twitter just come on by 31:40.840 --> 31:42.840 $20 waiting for you 31:44.840 --> 31:46.840 I bet he's heard of Skype 31:48.120 --> 31:56.200 Yeah, he'd be fun to talk so was podcast content fun of concast UK con anyway, so any goes on and on now I'll put a link in the show notes to the show 31:57.720 --> 32:00.680 So I emailed Leo. I said dude 20 bucks 32:01.080 --> 32:04.200 Stick you know shut that up your ass. Of course. I'll come on only to do with ass 32:04.200 --> 32:08.200 You've never asked me to be on the show, but I'll only do it if John C. Devorac is on 32:10.040 --> 32:14.440 So he wants me to do it Sunday, but I'm I think I'm flying back Saturday and one and you know 32:14.440 --> 32:18.280 I want to arrive until Sunday late and warning and 32:19.000 --> 32:23.400 I'll be jet lag and I want to be really fresh when I talk to these guys and get that English guy on too 32:23.800 --> 32:26.200 That's the so-called journalist will you please? 32:26.360 --> 32:30.680 Hey Adam Mike here from the fishball at fishballacoustic.podshow.com 32:32.040 --> 32:39.800 Just wanted to let you know that the recordings that we did of the shakes at the podcast conference turned out really well and a couple of 32:39.800 --> 32:44.040 their songs I'm reliably informed have now been uploaded to the pod save music network 32:44.920 --> 32:51.640 So if any of you listeners want to check out some great live music from the podcast conference on Saturday 32:52.280 --> 32:58.360 then head over to the PMN where you'll find two or three tracks from the shakes and maybe you'll 32:58.360 --> 33:03.400 obliged by playing one of those on your show you never know anyway congratulations on the big 500 33:03.400 --> 33:09.800 Adam nice one mate. Talk to you soon cheers. It's another first the first kick we've ever played 33:09.800 --> 33:11.800 We've had name badges 33:12.120 --> 33:17.000 You guys has been a bit rock and roll rebel. It's not wearing his 33:20.200 --> 33:22.200 Look at him raging against the system 33:25.240 --> 33:27.240 It's next on the chinkled daylight 33:27.240 --> 33:29.240 Hello 33:29.240 --> 34:58.240 [ Music ] 34:58.240 --> 35:00.240 Yeah, yeah 35:00.240 --> 35:03.240 Stuff me flyin' out again 35:09.240 --> 35:12.240 The shakes from podcast con UK 35:12.240 --> 35:15.240 I think I need a little bit of daylight 35:16.240 --> 35:18.240 Yeah, those guys are great 35:18.240 --> 35:21.240 Fantastic links in the show notes, of course 35:21.240 --> 35:23.240 DailySourceCode.com 35:23.240 --> 35:26.240 There was one more thing that I didn't get to play yesterday 35:26.240 --> 35:29.240 That was just so funny because it's since we've been talking about history here 35:29.240 --> 35:33.240 And the more I think about that guy who passed himself off as a journalist 35:33.240 --> 35:36.240 And then, you know, clearly trying to, you know, 35:36.240 --> 35:38.240 Bake entertainment out of our encounter 35:38.240 --> 35:42.240 Behind my back with, you know, just fuck you 35:42.240 --> 35:44.240 Get that guy on, okay? 35:44.240 --> 35:46.240 When I come on the show 35:46.240 --> 35:48.240 I gotta talk to him too 35:49.240 --> 35:51.240 All right, this is something I didn't get around to yesterday 35:51.240 --> 35:53.240 But I really liked because it is a piece of history 35:53.240 --> 35:55.240 That's, that's pretty funny 35:55.240 --> 35:58.240 Anyway, I just thought I'd send a little gift to you 35:58.240 --> 36:17.240 This is a little something I stumbled across 36:17.240 --> 36:20.240 I'm getting ready to head home for Thanksgiving 36:20.240 --> 36:23.240 And I just wanted to take a few things to listen to 36:23.240 --> 36:26.240 On the way, you know, just in case I get bored with the family 36:26.240 --> 36:31.240 But anyway, I was stumbling, I stumbled across this on a website called 36:31.240 --> 36:32.240 MP3airtracks.com 36:32.240 --> 36:35.240 That's Mike Papa, numero3airtracks.com 36:35.240 --> 36:38.240 It's from KQLZ in Los Angeles 36:38.240 --> 36:41.240 And the morning guy, Michael's got Shannon 36:41.240 --> 36:43.240 I, you might know, you might not, I don't know 36:43.240 --> 36:46.240 But just take a listen as we go back to 1980 36:47.240 --> 36:49.240 And a good morning to Adam Curry 36:49.240 --> 36:51.240 Just getting up as one of him at his lovely wife 36:51.240 --> 36:53.240 For sure, she was in town for the TJ Martell 36:53.240 --> 36:55.240 Celebrity softball game 36:55.240 --> 36:57.240 He's telling me a funny story that happened Saturday 36:57.240 --> 37:00.240 Tommy Lee and the Molly crew is kind of like 37:00.240 --> 37:02.240 Running his mouth, Jacket is yours 37:02.240 --> 37:04.240 Up there with his softball bed 37:04.240 --> 37:05.240 Now that first time up 37:05.240 --> 37:08.240 Strikes out, you know, hard as a strike out in softball 37:08.240 --> 37:11.240 Second time up Tommy Lee strikes out again 37:11.240 --> 37:15.240 The third time he pops it up into foul territory 37:16.240 --> 37:19.240 And one of the L.A. kings, I don't know which one 37:19.240 --> 37:21.240 It wasn't grassky, one of the L.A. kings runs over 37:21.240 --> 37:24.240 And catches Tommy Lee's hit 37:24.240 --> 37:26.240 Behind his back 37:26.240 --> 37:28.240 Any free 37:28.240 --> 37:30.240 It threw his bat down, he started 37:30.240 --> 37:31.240 I'm gonna read 37:31.240 --> 37:32.240 KQLZ Los Angeles 37:32.240 --> 37:34.240 Pirate radio 37:34.240 --> 37:36.240 All right, that wasn't Tommy Lee 37:36.240 --> 37:38.240 It was Vince Neale 37:38.240 --> 37:41.240 He was one of the crew, it was Vince Neale 37:41.240 --> 37:43.240 Popped out in softball time 37:43.240 --> 37:44.240 Sorry Tommy 37:46.240 --> 37:48.240 The light grew anyway 37:50.240 --> 37:53.240 Nice travel back in time 37:53.240 --> 37:55.240 Is it just weird we need a little more played echo 37:55.240 --> 37:56.240 And radio these days 37:56.240 --> 37:57.240 That'll solve the problem 37:57.240 --> 37:59.240 Not breaking up clear channel 37:59.240 --> 38:00.240 He's played echo 38:00.240 --> 38:01.240 It's all about the echo 38:01.240 --> 38:04.240 But anyway again, congratulations 38:04.240 --> 38:05.240 Five hundred Charlie's 38:05.240 --> 38:06.240 You keep making them 38:06.240 --> 38:08.240 Keep commenting on them, okay? 38:08.240 --> 38:09.240 All right, yeah, thank you 38:09.240 --> 38:11.240 Yes, when he says played echo 38:11.240 --> 38:12.240 He's talking about about this effect 38:12.240 --> 38:14.240 Michael Scott Shannon, never bother 38:16.240 --> 38:18.240 Oh man 38:20.240 --> 38:22.240 Yeah, that was Pirate radio 38:22.240 --> 38:24.240 Actually, that was another gig 38:24.240 --> 38:26.240 I had just been an MTV for like two years 38:26.240 --> 38:31.240 And I was asked to come out to work with the Scott Shannon on Pirate radio 38:31.240 --> 38:32.240 Was a KQLD 38:32.240 --> 38:33.240 Something like that 38:33.240 --> 38:36.240 KQX, I don't know whatever, Pirate radio 38:36.240 --> 38:38.240 103.5 FM in Los Angeles 38:38.240 --> 38:40.240 I'm glad I didn't do it 38:40.240 --> 38:42.240 Because the station didn't last very long 38:42.240 --> 38:46.240 It's you know Scott Shannon who has built some very successful radio stations 38:46.240 --> 38:48.240 That was not one of them 38:48.240 --> 38:49.240 Yeah 38:49.240 --> 38:52.240 But it's not it didn't just sound like a podcast, man 38:52.240 --> 38:54.240 With all the play echo 38:54.240 --> 38:56.240 Oh 38:56.240 --> 38:57.240 Yeah, that was a good day, man 38:57.240 --> 38:59.240 That was the time we were out there 38:59.240 --> 39:01.240 It was indeed not Tommy Lee was Vince Neil 39:01.240 --> 39:03.240 But it was the same softball 39:03.240 --> 39:05.240 We had these annual softball games 39:05.240 --> 39:07.240 And Sam Kinniston was still alive, man 39:07.240 --> 39:08.240 That was pretty wild 39:08.240 --> 39:10.240 He drives what up under the diamond 39:10.240 --> 39:12.240 And his white rolls Royce with all kinds of chicks 39:12.240 --> 39:14.240 It was like falling out 39:14.240 --> 39:16.240 I 39:16.240 --> 39:18.240 Yeah 39:18.240 --> 39:20.240 What was I going to say? 39:20.240 --> 39:22.240 I was something really important 39:22.240 --> 39:24.240 People are escaping me already 39:24.240 --> 39:25.240 I got to go 39:25.240 --> 39:28.240 Oh yeah, I did want to mention that we've got a new in the attic coming up 39:28.240 --> 39:30.240 That's the Pete Townsend Rachel Fuller Show 39:30.240 --> 39:34.240 That we have on podshow 39:34.240 --> 39:36.240 Now, BTpodshow.com 39:36.240 --> 39:38.240 I think they're linked from the homepage 39:38.240 --> 39:41.240 So let me just see if I can find this 39:41.240 --> 39:42.240 Hold on a second 39:42.240 --> 39:44.240 Let me just Skype Ron 39:44.240 --> 39:48.240 Doing DSC 39:48.240 --> 39:50.240 Five minutes 39:50.240 --> 39:52.240 Okay 39:52.240 --> 39:54.240 I don't understand that 39:54.240 --> 39:55.240 So there's a new one 39:55.240 --> 39:56.240 I don't think it's been put up yet 39:56.240 --> 39:58.240 But I just want you to listen to this 39:58.240 --> 40:00.240 Pete Townsend man 40:00.240 --> 40:02.240 He's he's awesome 40:02.240 --> 40:04.240 He just listened to the intro for a second here 40:04.240 --> 40:05.240 You're right 40:05.240 --> 40:06.240 So I'm Rachel Fuller 40:06.240 --> 40:07.240 That's Rachel, man 40:07.240 --> 40:08.240 You're watching podshow 40:08.240 --> 40:09.240 Fucking brilliant 40:09.240 --> 40:11.240 Fucking brilliant 40:11.240 --> 40:14.240 Wait, I want to let me get into the 40:14.240 --> 40:16.240 The thing where Pete stars hold on 40:16.240 --> 40:18.240 I'd love that song by the way 40:18.240 --> 40:20.240 That's their opening 40:20.240 --> 40:24.240 Yeah, let's get to 40:24.240 --> 40:26.240 You got to hear what Pete has to say 40:26.240 --> 40:28.240 What 40:28.240 --> 40:30.240 He's so cool man 40:31.240 --> 40:33.240 I now have email with Pete Townsend 40:33.240 --> 40:35.240 About the show 40:35.240 --> 40:37.240 This is the legit podshow 40:37.240 --> 40:38.240 I just... 40:38.240 --> 40:39.240 Problem 40:39.240 --> 40:40.240 What? 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