WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.000 This podcast is brought to you by Poncho and GoDaddy. 00:05.000 --> 00:10.000 This show will give you a special code to get great discounts at GoDaddy.com. 00:10.000 --> 00:12.000 Got something to say? 00:12.000 --> 00:15.000 Walk it with your frequent log from GoDaddy. 00:21.000 --> 00:23.000 Time to play where in the world is Adam Curry. 00:23.000 --> 00:25.000 He was in Spain. He was in the UK. 00:25.000 --> 00:28.000 Two days later, he shows up in San Francisco. 00:28.000 --> 00:32.000 He's everywhere. He's like a fugitive. Where is he going? What's he running from? Huh? 00:32.000 --> 00:36.000 Check it out on the DSC. 587. 00:58.000 --> 01:00.000 He was in Spain. He was in Spain. 01:00.000 --> 01:02.000 He was in Spain. He was in Spain. 01:02.000 --> 01:04.000 He was in Spain. He was in Spain. 01:04.000 --> 01:06.000 He was in Spain. He was in Spain. 01:06.000 --> 01:08.000 He was in Spain. He was in Spain. 01:08.000 --> 02:36.250 [ Music ] 02:37.680 --> 02:43.880 Okay guys, grab your gal and hit the floor because here's that beat you in the way 02:43.880 --> 02:44.680 into swing too. 02:44.680 --> 02:49.680 Along with that beat with the beautiful eyes, one very beautiful like a trinketide, 02:49.680 --> 04:17.680 [ Music ] 04:17.680 --> 04:35.280 Hey, remember I told you the lady Patricia was working on some special project, there you have it. 04:35.280 --> 04:42.320 The Star Sisters strike back. Better known as the Nilfs. Oh man, if you're into that dancing 04:42.320 --> 04:48.320 with the star stuff, well, this is the kind of music those people love. I gotta say, I kind 04:48.320 --> 04:54.480 of like it myself. It's awesome. I love the military cadence at the beginning there. Now it's 04:54.480 --> 05:01.760 not pod safe yet. However, check this out. And this was something the lady P worked on quite 05:01.760 --> 05:08.080 a bit with her record company or the record company she's been with for 20 years or something 05:08.080 --> 05:13.520 like that. They're going to put it up on the pod set music network. They have a publishing company, 05:13.520 --> 05:19.200 so they have all the rights, all the ASCAP, BMI, everything's covered. I did say to the to the 05:19.200 --> 05:23.920 the record company and said, just send me that in writing. Okay. And then I'll be happy to help you 05:23.920 --> 05:30.640 get that up on the pod set music network. Should be up sometime this week. And she will be performing 05:30.720 --> 05:40.240 that live on dancing with the stars in the Netherlands on Sunday, May 6th. And she's, you know, 05:41.840 --> 05:48.000 I love my wife man. She's nuts. She's really, she's off the race with this one. She will have 05:48.000 --> 05:53.680 video. I'm sure we're going to put it up on pod show when a video of the show. It's going to be a 05:53.680 --> 05:59.760 lot of fun. I've actually been working on getting 30 of the royal Dutch marines onto the show. 05:59.840 --> 06:05.760 And it's just, it's a creative project. And she's completely, completely embedded into this. 06:05.760 --> 06:11.200 And it's cool. I like it. This was obviously a remix of a song that she had a number one hit with. 06:11.200 --> 06:18.080 And I think in 1981 or 1982, they went through so much trouble trying to find the original master 06:18.080 --> 06:22.560 that had been some flooding in one of the studios. And it's like, you know, this is all magnetic 06:22.640 --> 06:28.800 tape days, right? These are big 24 track magnetic tapes. And it's been quite a project. 06:28.800 --> 06:33.520 Anyway, coming to you from Northern California right here overlooking the bay. It is the Curry 06:33.520 --> 06:39.120 condo. This is the daily source code episode 587. Thank you so much for being along for the ride. 06:39.120 --> 06:45.440 I got in this afternoon. Boy, what an interesting trip. First of all, you know, we got back 06:46.640 --> 06:51.680 late. I should say early Sunday morning, really Saturday night. And you're not going to believe 06:51.760 --> 06:59.280 what happened to us. Or to me, really, over the course of two days. So we arrive at like 06:59.280 --> 07:03.680 130 in the morning. And of course, you know, our temporary visas are being turned into permanent 07:03.680 --> 07:07.600 visas. And so I have all this paperwork I have to show from the home office. And it's, you know, 07:07.600 --> 07:13.280 big pain in the ass. So we're like 10 minutes, maybe 15 minutes at immigration. And okay, 07:13.280 --> 07:16.880 so when they stamp everything they'll let us through. And just about everyone's already got 07:16.880 --> 07:21.280 there, their suitcase and they're all gone. And Andy, of course, who would win with us on vacation, 07:21.360 --> 07:27.040 Christina's bow, her boyfriend, which I got to tell you a story about in a second. 07:28.480 --> 07:32.000 You know, he says, oh, okay, there's only a couple left. And here's yours. And he, you know, 07:32.000 --> 07:39.760 I have a really beautiful, to me roller bag, a big one. And I, and I cost a lot of money. And I 07:39.760 --> 07:44.400 said, you know, it's like $700 for a suitcase. But I travel so much. It really at the end of the day 07:44.400 --> 07:49.120 is well worth it because, you know, basically it hangs together. And there's also not a lot of them. 07:50.080 --> 07:56.960 And it's just, it's, it's a, it's a really good travel case. And it's convenient, you know, 07:56.960 --> 08:01.760 it's got a pop-up handle on wheels and the whole thing. And, you know, it might's pretty distinctive. 08:01.760 --> 08:06.400 It's a, it's a standard, it's a standard bag. It's got the, you know, the leather tag on it. And then there's 08:06.400 --> 08:14.000 a gold virgin flyer club card or whatever. And so he brings this over and I'm like, wow, 08:14.560 --> 08:20.560 there's a lock on it. My lock was cut off by the TSA. I mean, how can the lock did they put a new lock on it? 08:20.560 --> 08:26.480 Then of course, I realized that the gold card on the, on the suitcase is not a virgin gold card, 08:26.480 --> 08:31.680 but a British airways gold card. So now it's like 145. It's like two in the morning and like, 08:31.680 --> 08:38.160 oh my God, someone picked up my suitcase. And there's a still here. It's the middle of the night 08:38.160 --> 08:47.760 word, Gatwick Airport, North Terminal. I was like, f**k, f**k, f**k, f**k. I mean, what are the chances, 08:47.760 --> 08:54.480 right, of both the same bags coming in from Tenerife, exact same configuration, the only difference 08:54.480 --> 08:59.440 being a lock. And of course, mine is heavier than all shit. But I guess someone, you know, 08:59.440 --> 09:03.280 this guy's suitcase was pretty heavy too. So anyway, so I take this bag off. I roll over, 09:03.280 --> 09:08.000 there is a baggage services, there's someone there. And right at that very moment, thank 09:08.000 --> 09:14.720 goodness, the guy was in the parking lot. And he realized that that he had the wrong suitcase. 09:14.720 --> 09:19.280 So he found someone on the other side of customs and they communicated with the baggage. And 09:19.280 --> 09:23.360 he was really nice guy. You know, we were both laying out. So we went through, by the way, it's a 09:23.360 --> 09:26.800 great way to smuggle shit. Let me tell you, because when that happens, no one checks you. Like, 09:26.800 --> 09:30.320 oh yeah, let's go find the guy. They forget to look at your suitcase. Nothing I had any 09:30.320 --> 09:36.320 contraband with me, of course. And so the guy was on the other side, you know, really nice thing 09:36.320 --> 09:40.960 was a Scottish. And, you know, we laughed about it for a few minutes and shook hands. And so we took off. 09:40.960 --> 09:47.440 Okay. So just keep that part of the story in mind. Let me just cycle back for a second. 09:47.440 --> 09:51.200 The headphone earlobe for those of you who had not been following along. 09:52.800 --> 09:55.840 Fuck you, already knew that didn't you. I'm so confused with the time you 09:55.840 --> 10:01.200 already talked about that on yesterday's show. Here, oh, he's what I want to say about Andy. 10:01.280 --> 10:09.040 So Christina and Andy, they share their own suite right next door to ours. They're very grown-up kids. 10:09.040 --> 10:13.680 I have to say, you know, that's almost 17. He's 17. So what are you going to do, right? 10:14.240 --> 10:19.680 And everything was peachy keen until he decided to dunk her in the pool. 10:20.560 --> 10:25.600 And I think she had just blow dried her hair or some shit like that. And she, she threw all 10:25.680 --> 10:33.760 his shit in the pool. I'm talking about his bag. He's close. I like, oh, yeah. That's my daughter. I love it. 10:34.640 --> 10:40.560 Okay. So, um, spend a little bit of time at home on Sunday. Of course, 10:40.560 --> 10:43.920 had to, you know, go to the doctor, have the headphone earlobe checked out. 10:43.920 --> 10:48.480 And the Monday morning, it picked up because coming to San Francisco. And, you know, Virgin, 10:48.480 --> 10:54.800 they sent the car for me. So I'm, uh, off to the airport, you know, struggling to be on time as usual. 10:55.040 --> 11:00.000 And it's a madhouse in the Virgin lounge. I mean, it's like there's a, there's a band playing, 11:00.000 --> 11:04.880 there's a million people. I'd never seen anything like it. What the hell is going on? 11:05.520 --> 11:12.880 Well, it's our inaugural flight to Chicago. And, uh, so this is all press. And, uh, it was great. 11:12.880 --> 11:17.440 You know, I was talking to some folks from, uh, Sky News, from Bloomberg. 11:18.320 --> 11:23.840 Um, oh, there's this guy, uh, what's his name? Uh, he does the business travel report on CNN, Richard. 11:23.920 --> 11:29.120 He's, he's a total whack job. If you've ever seen that show, then you, you know, exactly 11:29.120 --> 11:32.720 I'm talking about. Anyway, you know, I went up to him and I said, hey, man, I really love your show. 11:32.720 --> 11:37.680 I got your fucking wacky. You know, come on over to the dark side. He actually seemed pretty interested. 11:38.480 --> 11:41.040 And I said, when he's in San Francisco, he'd look us up right. 11:42.160 --> 11:47.680 Probably see each other in London before that. And, uh, guess who else was there? Sir Richard. 11:48.320 --> 11:55.200 And his parents. So, uh, I went over and I said, uh, excuse me, Sir Richard. Uh, I'm a, I'm a paying 11:55.200 --> 12:02.560 punter. A punter, by the way, is kind of the kind of, is that like slang, I guess, English slang for, uh, 12:03.280 --> 12:09.040 just a dumb, dumb fuck who pays? I'm paying punter, you know, congratulations. I really love your 12:09.040 --> 12:14.000 airline. Man, he was a, but a nice guy. But it was really weird. He shook my right hand with his left hand. 12:14.880 --> 12:20.960 I wasn't too sure at all that was about. Okay. Anyway. So, um, so it was, it was just a mad house in the, 12:20.960 --> 12:27.120 in the virgin clubhouse. Uh, then they got on the plane, you know, by the way, delayed for an hour. 12:27.120 --> 12:30.480 I don't know what that was all about. I came in late from New York as getting out of New York 12:30.480 --> 12:36.240 apparently was a nightmare. So, uh, we left late, um, you know, typical flight. What I watch, um, 12:36.240 --> 12:40.000 the pursuit of happiness, the wheel Smith movie. That was pretty cool. Like that. I've been reading 12:40.000 --> 12:45.280 another book, uh, the third secret, which is, uh, kind of like, uh, the Vinci code type book 12:46.000 --> 12:51.120 and arrive at San Francisco and, uh, everything's fine. You know, I go through, uh, immigration. 12:51.120 --> 12:58.240 I'm there, uh, waiting for my bag and, uh, all the bags go by and, uh, my bag's not there. I do notice, 12:58.240 --> 13:04.720 of course, another two me bag, um, just like mine, but it has a, um, it had a, uh, like a ribbon 13:04.720 --> 13:09.280 tied around the handle. So, like, okay, well, that's not mine. I didn't tie ribbon around it. 13:09.360 --> 13:13.040 And I'm waiting, I'm waiting, then everyone gets their bags. And then, of course, there's like three 13:13.040 --> 13:17.120 bags left. One of them, which is the fucking two me bag with a ribbon wrapped around it. And 13:18.480 --> 13:25.520 exactly, how is it possible that would happen to me twice in as many days? So, I look at the tag 13:25.520 --> 13:30.960 and there's like Amy Frederickson or something and there's a number and I call the number. 13:31.520 --> 13:37.280 Hello, it's Amy. I said, Amy, it's Adam. Do you have all your bags? Yeah. I said, well, 13:37.440 --> 13:40.720 there's one of your bags here and it's a two me bag. Do you have your two me bag? Yeah. Well, 13:40.720 --> 13:45.840 I think that's my two me bag. Didn't you notice? It was like 8 million pounds and didn't have a ribbon 13:45.840 --> 13:55.040 on it. She was already 15 minutes away from the airport. So, she had to turn around and come back to 13:55.040 --> 14:02.080 said, uh, I'm in a BMW X5. So, I'm standing out there by the corner. I got, I swear to God, 14:02.640 --> 14:08.400 a black Beamer X5 pulls up with five cute chicks in it. Oh, sorry, three cute chicks. 14:09.360 --> 14:16.240 And they're like really apologetic and we swap bags and I went to my condo like good married boy. 14:17.360 --> 14:23.760 And my ears, I have I have stuff like all this cotton, you know, padding and wattage because 14:24.560 --> 14:28.800 it's the headphones man. I got to be really careful. I do not want to have a resurgence of the 14:28.800 --> 14:35.760 headphone earlobe. No, I don't like the in ear experience of like the iPod headphones. I really 14:35.760 --> 14:42.240 need to have phones that cover my entire ear. But this is very, you can hear now that the tape is actually 14:42.240 --> 14:50.160 sticking to the headphones. So, a lot of great responses about the, about the first of the savon 14:50.160 --> 14:55.920 series having come extra blogger on yesterday talking about mobile phone industry and about the 14:55.920 --> 15:02.640 French elections briefly. I have to say pretty much everybody was completely positive about that. 15:02.640 --> 15:09.440 So, talking to another savon today, docks or what we're talking about, the death of web radio, 15:09.440 --> 15:16.480 of web casting because I think it's, I don't know. I mean, podcasting, of course, I think is, 15:16.480 --> 15:22.960 you know, huge growth curve and part of that is because the total, you know, just routing around 15:23.040 --> 15:30.640 the mainstream music business and using creative commons, licensed songs and podcast music, etc. 15:31.760 --> 15:39.040 But docks or else, he knows a shitload about radio. He knows about the streaming stuff and 15:39.040 --> 15:46.080 he's just an interesting guy and he's an a-lister. So, we'll be talking to him later as the 15:46.080 --> 15:54.720 official savon for today's show, one in a series of many. Hello Adam. This is Tokyo Dan and it's 15:54.720 --> 15:59.520 been a while since I've given you any feedback. And I know that you prefer feedback from listeners 15:59.520 --> 16:05.120 rather than podcasts these days, but I have something I have to say in this time it's not positive. 16:06.240 --> 16:13.360 Man, what has happened with the pod safe music network? Absolutely nothing. That's right. 16:13.360 --> 16:19.280 It's still in the same sorry beta state it was a year ago. It's like it has been forgotten about. 16:20.240 --> 16:27.520 A year ago is exciting and more than acceptable because it was new. But a year later it's unforgivable. 16:27.520 --> 16:33.840 I mean, have you ever tried to do a simple search? It's almost fucking useless. For example, 16:33.840 --> 16:42.960 I select R&B as a genre, enter a simple keyword such as Love and 62 result pages are returned, 16:43.040 --> 16:49.520 but not just R&B tunes, but songs and every other genre that's on the PMN are returned. 16:49.520 --> 16:53.840 All right, hold on a second Tokyo Dan because I see you got more than a minute left of this rant. 16:56.080 --> 17:00.320 Okay, let me tell you, um, first of all, search your absolutely right, sucks. 17:02.560 --> 17:08.640 However, you can do a genre sort. So if you just select R&B and don't put in a search term, 17:08.720 --> 17:11.840 it will show you all the R&B tracks. I'm not saying that that's right. 17:14.000 --> 17:20.240 But it definitely is one thing you can do. Now, I don't use the pod safe music network necessarily for searching, 17:20.240 --> 17:26.560 but please rest assured. We're quite aware that it sucks and we're actually implementing 17:26.560 --> 17:32.880 a new search across everything. So the search that works and I think the results are beautiful at 17:32.880 --> 17:38.960 podshow.com and podshow.com slash music. You might want to try that. I comes from the same 17:38.960 --> 17:43.920 database for more about that in a minute. So we are implementing a better search across the board. 17:43.920 --> 17:49.600 Absolutely agree. As search, you could even miss, you could even misspell like one letter 17:49.600 --> 17:54.400 and it won't give you results. So it sucks. But, you know, it's like dude, 17:55.760 --> 18:00.400 there's a lot of stuff going on. Okay. Next try the same thing under advanced search. 18:01.040 --> 18:06.480 Nothing is returned. Not an advanced search is just to make you feel happy like you did some like 18:06.480 --> 18:12.000 it did something. That's never worked for me. Come on. I know there are some R&B songs with the 18:12.000 --> 18:19.360 keyword love. No way, man. It's for artists on the PMN. If they sell their music and have some money 18:19.360 --> 18:25.040 in the PMN, there's no easy to find information about how to get their money out of the PMN. 18:26.000 --> 18:32.000 I know the artists have to contact podshow and request a check. But outside of the USA, 18:32.000 --> 18:38.480 a 20 or 30 dollar US check costs more to cash than it's worth. Jesus Christ, why can't you 18:38.480 --> 18:44.720 implement a system as simple an elegant as PayPal? Oh boy. Oh, how I wish we could implement 18:44.720 --> 18:52.240 something as simple an elegant as PayPal. But doesn't quite work as well if you want to have 18:52.240 --> 18:58.080 a repository where you can go back and download the song you want as many times as you want the 18:58.080 --> 19:06.320 song that you bought believe me. And also, at the time when we implemented what is it that 19:06.320 --> 19:10.720 click and buy, I think there were a whole bunch of other huge benefits which really allowed a 19:10.720 --> 19:16.720 lot more people to be able to buy through the system. Now just just to reiterate, we added this just 19:16.720 --> 19:22.880 as an option. We don't make any money from it. It's 99 cents. I think it's nine cents that goes 19:22.880 --> 19:29.520 to click and buy for processing. We take nothing. The artist gets everything. So for a little bit 19:29.520 --> 19:35.440 of extra hassle, I think, you know, we are basically, you know, the fucking you get what you pay for. 19:36.480 --> 19:42.000 But okay, point taken. I think there are better systems now. But you can understand why that was 19:42.000 --> 19:46.880 on a little bit of a lesser priority than a lot of the other things we've been doing recently. 19:47.440 --> 19:51.920 Man, Adam, by the way, there's no reason to take the Lord's name in vain on this. 19:51.920 --> 19:57.840 Really disappointed with the PMN. I used to really go after artists to get their music on the PMN. 19:57.840 --> 20:04.000 I told him it was a new way to market and sell their music. It looked like the wave of the future. 20:04.000 --> 20:09.360 Well, now the PMN is just a ripple of the past. And I'm too embarrassed to ask artists to put 20:09.440 --> 20:15.920 their music on the pod safe music network. I guess the pod safe music network was just the first 20:15.920 --> 20:21.200 stepping stone you used to create your pod show empire. Now that you got all the content, 20:21.200 --> 20:26.320 you need not to generate a profit from advertisers. You don't really give a shit about the artist 20:26.320 --> 20:31.280 that help you build the base of your empire. You know, that's it, Adam. That's all I have to say. 20:31.280 --> 20:37.280 I'm sorry, but that's the way I feel. All right, Tokyo, Dan. Well, that of course is quite 20:37.280 --> 20:46.160 offensive. What you say at the end there, particularly if you know that in 2006, over 250 million 20:46.160 --> 20:53.920 spins were generated through the pod safe music network. So that's just songs that were played 20:53.920 --> 21:01.120 from the pod safe music network and were reported back. And by the way, that mechanism is very 21:01.120 --> 21:07.040 much alive and kicking. Is the pod safe music network dead? No, absolutely not. Have you seen how 21:07.040 --> 21:13.680 many new songs come on every single day? No, it's growing exponentially. Now, the things that 21:13.680 --> 21:20.000 you'd like to see fix, which you say, you know, to say that we don't care about it or that, you know, 21:20.000 --> 21:25.040 oh, we have enough content. Now, fuck it all. No, have you not noticed, perhaps, that we actually 21:25.040 --> 21:31.920 integrated the pod safe music network into the listener side. So podshow.com slash music. Now, 21:31.920 --> 21:36.960 you can access all those songs, all of the charts, all of the plays, also what shows they 21:36.960 --> 21:41.280 didn't play it on. That's not just template work, okay? I mean, there's logins to consider. You 21:41.280 --> 21:45.120 have to, you know, have a universal log in. There's a whole bunch of crap that came with that. 21:45.120 --> 21:50.400 I took a long time, dude. You know, send me some programmers who will get everything done for your 21:50.400 --> 21:55.200 liquidity split. You know, at the same time, we have to deal with bandwidth. We have to deal with 21:55.280 --> 22:02.560 all kinds of stuff. So, a little bit of leniency would be nice, okay? Just give us a little bit of 22:02.560 --> 22:08.400 a break. I understand that you don't like the way stuff is, and we'll try and make it better. But 22:09.520 --> 22:15.280 that type of comment, I think it's just I'm called for. Hi, Adam. It's Matthew calling from Australia. 22:15.280 --> 22:20.560 I was tempted to call and leave a message after listening to the CSV interview last week. But I'm 22:20.560 --> 22:27.120 glad I waited until this week, and heard your interview with him on the Monday show. I really 22:27.120 --> 22:32.720 preferred that. I thought it was a much more interesting, so to listen to. And I encourage you to keep 22:32.720 --> 22:36.880 up with the interviews. I think it's a great idea for a new format. Keep up with the work. Thanks. 22:36.880 --> 22:41.120 All right, man. And I appreciate you calling it and saying that as I said, most everybody thought 22:41.120 --> 22:45.120 it was a good idea to look at the, you know, rehash the format a little bit. 22:45.120 --> 22:53.200 Um, well, I forgot something really important. Okay. Let me, let me, let me play the, uh, 22:53.200 --> 22:58.080 fuck. Oh, I'm such an idiot. You know why? Because I'm looking at the clock. I'm looking like 22 22:58.080 --> 23:01.840 minutes. I'm like, oh, I've got to stop for the satellite window. And then I thought, oh, no, 23:01.840 --> 23:09.600 there's something I had to tell you guys. I couldn't tell you this. You know, I was in New York, 23:09.600 --> 23:14.960 and we have having meetings with Syrius. We've been going back and forth. And I really couldn't 23:15.280 --> 23:20.320 say anything about what has been going on because I wanted to make sure that everyone who's been 23:20.320 --> 23:26.080 contributing to the pod show on Syrius, uh, that they knew what was going on first. And in fact, 23:26.080 --> 23:31.680 let me, um, we sent an email today to all the shows that are participated. I'll just read it to 23:31.680 --> 23:36.240 you for a bit of them because it really does explain exactly what's going on. And a couple of you 23:36.240 --> 23:40.560 already been sending me questions, although not a lot, but I certainly got five or six questions about this. 23:40.560 --> 23:46.240 Okay, this is, uh, from Richard Brueher, hey, and of course, I'm on a list as well. Hi, 23:46.240 --> 23:50.320 guys, as you know, we've been investing in making significant enhancements and improvements to 23:50.320 --> 23:55.120 the pod show network where the launch of our new colo, that's a co-location of the data barn last 23:55.120 --> 23:59.600 week. We've created the infrastructure necessary to take our partners and programming to the next level. 24:00.160 --> 24:04.800 Over the past months, we've begun to develop opportunities for distribution into new markets and 24:04.800 --> 24:09.680 across exciting platforms and network to the same time. We've been reviewing our current relationships 24:09.760 --> 24:14.000 with a goal of focusing our energies where we'll get the most return our investment for pod show 24:14.000 --> 24:21.120 our producers and our audience. As you are aware, the radio market is undergoing a massive restructuring 24:21.120 --> 24:26.160 with the merger of Sirius and XM, the pending rollout of digital radio and the new licensing of 24:26.160 --> 24:30.240 internet radio. We believe it is an incredibly opportunistic time one that we are uniquely 24:30.240 --> 24:35.040 positioned to take advantage of. Our relationship with Sirius was exclusive and although very 24:35.040 --> 24:40.080 positive for the past two years has become less productive for both parties. At the same time, 24:40.080 --> 24:44.880 new opportunities are coming up that are more core to our progress. We have therefore 24:44.880 --> 24:50.080 terminated our exclusive relationship with Sirius and have begun to review a variety of options. 24:50.080 --> 24:54.240 Now, this, of course, frees up producers, PWF, and Brian Know to help drive the production of 24:54.240 --> 24:58.160 some of these great opportunities and to focus on enhancing the production quality of audio 24:58.160 --> 25:02.480 content on our network. We'll keep you posted on all new developments as they come to fruition. 25:02.480 --> 25:06.400 On behalf of Ron Adam and all of us here, thank you very much for your hard work. You've been 25:06.400 --> 25:10.800 part of the first podcast indication to any other platform for congratulations. You help make 25:10.800 --> 25:15.920 pod show and pod casting history. So I wanted to make sure that I told you that. 25:18.640 --> 25:24.000 It would have been nice to have been able to finish up and then have a good buy show, 25:24.560 --> 25:30.560 but that show this folks. What can I say? Okay, so back to the savant segment. 25:31.120 --> 25:35.840 I think I'm going to be able to get at least one savant in episode. Now, the trick of course is 25:35.840 --> 25:41.680 to get all the shit into the show without making it extremely long with the interview. 25:42.560 --> 25:46.960 And by the way, I want you to know that this format change doesn't mean that I don't 25:46.960 --> 25:51.280 student want naked pictures and shit like that. Okay? So a few free to send those. And of course, 25:51.280 --> 25:54.880 keep your comments coming into the phone numbers. Here's the UK number. 26:01.040 --> 26:14.400 7 5 3 plus 4 4 2 0 7 6 8 1 3 7 5 3. So welcome to the daily source code Doc Serals on the 26:14.400 --> 26:20.720 eve of of your trip to Brussels. So I'm glad you could take it just a few moments because you 26:20.720 --> 26:26.720 sir are a true savant in every sense of the word, particularly when you have to cover a few things. 26:26.720 --> 26:31.280 Well, when it comes to web radio, actually, I think when it comes to radio in general, I mean, 26:31.280 --> 26:36.000 I've been reading your weblog for many years. You always have the inside track. You always have an 26:36.000 --> 26:40.400 interesting take. You come at radio from a little different perspective than I do, I think. 26:40.960 --> 26:48.720 And you've been blogging a lot about the changes in the fees to be paid for music. 26:48.720 --> 26:53.280 Is this the copyright royalty board? Is that who made this decision? 26:53.840 --> 26:58.880 The thing is that the, I was a very long story. I'll try to make it as short as possible, 26:58.880 --> 27:04.160 but it started probably before the DMCA, but the DMCA is a good, a good place to sort of, 27:04.160 --> 27:09.200 that's the digital millennium copyright act. Yeah, the digital millennium copyright act, which was 27:09.200 --> 27:18.160 past I think in October of 1998. And a moment of things left unclear was what, what online, 27:18.160 --> 27:23.280 what, what, what U.S. Broadcast, I should say webcasting stations playing, 27:23.280 --> 27:28.880 or I double-A license music would pay to the organization created by the I double-A called 27:28.880 --> 27:35.840 sound exchange in royalties. And let me just stop here there for one second, Doc. Does that mean 27:35.840 --> 27:40.800 it's the only fee you have to pay for using licensed music, or do you also have to pay 27:40.800 --> 27:47.440 ASCAP BMI on top of that stuff? As I, as I understand it, that, that's, that's still owed, 27:47.440 --> 27:54.720 but that's, it's, it's so not a gating factor that it's not really been part of the conversation, 27:54.720 --> 28:03.680 that the, from the beginning, the R I double-A wanted to charge the, the webcasters, the 28:03.680 --> 28:09.520 maximum possible amount. They wanted to do with online radio with their never-letoo, with broadcast 28:09.520 --> 28:14.480 radio, and which is basically set the term by which the music was used. And so they set really 28:14.480 --> 28:19.840 would amounted to pretty heinous terms. And there's a lot of back and forth at the end of which 28:19.840 --> 28:25.520 they're, through something called a copyright arbitration royalty panel or clerk. Originally, 28:25.520 --> 28:29.520 we still, I think, copyright royalty arbitration cattle, but it makes still that out. 28:29.520 --> 28:38.320 That was crap, yeah. Yeah, and so, and so that, that was, that was settled by Senator 28:38.320 --> 28:43.920 Jesse Helms, that he was, it was partying from the Senate, mostly on behalf of the religious 28:43.920 --> 28:47.760 broadcasters who realized that they would be completely screwed along with everybody else. 28:48.320 --> 28:53.360 Okay, so let me, let me just set this doc because it's really complicated stuff when it comes to 28:53.360 --> 28:59.840 rights and royalties. So essentially, now streaming goes back, I guess you're right to 1998, 28:59.840 --> 29:04.160 and it was okay, you know, since it's not a download, we'll, we'll let you stream our music 29:04.240 --> 29:08.880 because what, you know, stream license music, but you're going to have to pay a special fee for that. 29:09.920 --> 29:16.160 Probably not dissimilar to a subscription fee to a music service in a way, like Napster or, 29:17.200 --> 29:22.960 or, you know, one of these other subscription-based systems. And is that incorrect? 29:25.360 --> 29:32.480 I'm not sure, here's what they wanted from the beginning is to charge on a per listener, 29:33.360 --> 29:39.920 per song basis, and they wanted to impose those reporting requirements on the stations, and they wanted 29:40.640 --> 29:45.680 to, basically they said that they're, you know, we, we think this is, first of all, they characterize it as a 29:45.680 --> 29:50.000 performance, okay, and the most of the performance rights goes back to the fees, I think. 29:50.000 --> 29:55.280 That's, you should be asked, but the point is they wanted the stations, they said basically, 29:55.280 --> 29:59.040 here's what it costs, and you guys have to pay this, and you don't care if the place you had a business 30:00.000 --> 30:05.920 or not. And, and a kind of settlement was reached in in 2002, and everybody kind of thought, 30:05.920 --> 30:10.400 well, that's kind of gone away, at least on a listing side. I, I paid very close attention to this 30:10.400 --> 30:13.840 for a number of years, and they didn't pay any more attention to it, until early this year, 30:14.400 --> 30:21.760 when something called the copyright royalty board, which nobody heard of, suddenly shows up and says, 30:21.760 --> 30:26.880 oh, no, you're, here's a new rate, oh, but a winner, a hell of a higher than you've ever seen before. 30:26.880 --> 30:32.240 And this time, everybody got thrown into it, there was a, there was a quiet, uh, what was called a 30:32.240 --> 30:37.840 card of out for the non-commercial stations that were separate deals with the RWA, that that 30:37.840 --> 30:42.640 includes the NPR stations and other non-commercial stations. They got thrown in there too, so everybody 30:43.280 --> 30:49.360 from clear channel to NPR to all the little Pacific stations and ordinary webcasters, and for that 30:49.360 --> 30:55.440 matter, podcasters who are streaming, it's a different set of rules for streaming. All got thrown into 30:55.520 --> 31:00.640 the same pod and suddenly had the same problem. And, and the problem is basically there is, 31:01.200 --> 31:07.840 for the smaller guys, there's, nobody has yet imagined or put into practice the business model 31:07.840 --> 31:14.240 that will allow them to pay these rates. So essentially, it's a debt sentence for web streamers 31:14.240 --> 31:19.360 in the US. Okay, but, but here's, here's what I don't understand. First of all, who is 31:20.320 --> 31:26.400 creating web streams, I mean, everyone, it kind of gets lumped into web radio, and to me, 31:26.400 --> 31:31.360 radio is something completely different than a live 365 channel that's basically a playlist. 31:33.200 --> 31:38.320 The people who are hurt most are the people who are just streaming together playlists, 31:38.320 --> 31:44.800 and, um, and I guess trying to make money with that somehow, or like, is it like Pandora or 31:44.880 --> 31:50.480 last FM? Are these the guys that are getting getting hit the hardest? Or is it a clear channel 31:50.480 --> 31:56.240 who, uh, will have to turn off their streams, boo-hoo, I'm crying? Right, and the crucials turned 31:56.240 --> 32:01.200 them off before. Um, like, the clear channel is a player in this, but, of course, nobody knows 32:01.200 --> 32:07.920 it's going to be behind the scenes there, but the, um, if it's being streamed, if it's live, 32:08.000 --> 32:15.440 then it's considered a performance, and, and the, the IW wants to, wants you as the, as the, 32:15.440 --> 32:21.280 as the medium of that, whether you're a robotic playlist or a live radio station, 32:21.280 --> 32:27.040 but that's, that's, that's kind of my point is, you know, who's being hurt by these fees? 32:27.040 --> 32:31.680 You know, it's, well, there's a people being hurt by the scenes of most are the, 32:31.760 --> 32:38.080 if it's what I'm concerned or should say, are, are the actual, be going, um, radio stations 32:38.080 --> 32:41.840 on the net, that, that people don't, I don't want to knock anybody in live 365, 32:41.840 --> 32:45.600 I don't know, I'm not definitely aware of it, but, but radio paradise, um, 32:45.600 --> 32:50.160 the, I mean, I have about a hundred stations that I can listen to live on my sonos system 32:50.160 --> 32:52.800 here at the house. How many people are listening to the, to these streams, 32:52.800 --> 32:57.120 Doc, I mean, isn't really that, is it really, and, I never hear anything about it. Really, 32:57.200 --> 33:01.760 oh yeah, hell of a, listen, I was, I was talking to, um, at the Brooklyn Center, 33:01.760 --> 33:05.120 we've been working with, um, with, with the, with the public broadcasting folks 33:05.120 --> 33:11.680 coming up with, uh, a model to improve, um, uh, their, their revenues from, from their listeners, 33:11.680 --> 33:15.920 and, and it's talking to a guy with a, a pretty large, well, I can't say what it is, 33:15.920 --> 33:19.440 it's definitely one way to see in New York, and, and I jokingly said, well, I'm your listener 33:19.440 --> 33:24.800 on the list code, he said, well, there are 10,000 of you, and this sometimes 20,000 of you. 33:24.960 --> 33:31.120 It's a rapidly growing percentage of their total listenership, um, and it's, and I had no idea, 33:31.120 --> 33:37.920 and he said, there's much more countable, um, on, um, online, and it is on, uh, through the air, 33:37.920 --> 33:44.080 then you've already tried to go, go back to the, uh, but, okay, so, so for, for radio stations, 33:44.080 --> 33:49.840 uh, that already have a terrestrial signal, um, and they, you know, so they want to expand their, 33:50.080 --> 33:54.720 um, their market, and they're doing so by providing streams, which I understand, they make, 33:54.720 --> 33:59.200 they make, so they're just not just, I mean, it's, it's radio paradise, which is, which is online, only. 33:59.200 --> 34:04.320 Online, but, okay, but radio paradise is, but Doc, is it, is it, is it, is it just the music 34:04.320 --> 34:08.640 that makes radio paradise, so special, is it, oh, God, no, no, it's, it's built, it's built, it's built, 34:08.640 --> 34:14.000 it's built, so, so why, so why would, it is the personality and he's the guy who puts it together, um, 34:14.000 --> 34:17.600 you know, there's a, there's a whole week radio out of Alaska, right? 34:17.600 --> 34:23.240 There are a couple of people who are doing this thing out of a shack and have been doing it for years and they do and all of a good job 34:23.240 --> 34:25.960 Right, but what I mean so they could easily use 34:27.680 --> 34:29.680 a music under different license they could use 34:31.400 --> 34:36.040 Music license on a creative commons they could use the policy using our work that you know garage ban 34:36.040 --> 34:40.520 If you're in authority on music that happens which is I mean 90 34:41.480 --> 34:42.680 You know 34:42.680 --> 34:48.000 90-some percent of the music that's running through most of our heads is you know above a certain age is 34:48.560 --> 34:53.200 Stuffy for the radio and that but bought a record source and to say oh you can't play that at all 34:53.200 --> 34:55.520 You know, it just doesn't work for a lot of people 34:55.520 --> 35:00.440 I mean to be a definitely worship people are dealing only in positive music for example or and you know 35:00.440 --> 35:05.120 I mean look I'm the I'm the first person to say I hated because I really miss playing 35:05.800 --> 35:07.880 You know the soundtrack to my life. I'm 35:07.880 --> 35:12.920 Miss sharing that with my listeners. I think it's a travesty and I really despise the fact that I can't do it 35:12.920 --> 35:17.720 But it's just a fact, you know, this so this this seems to me like this is being blown out of proportion 35:17.720 --> 35:22.720 We're something that we know we saw this coming years ago doc we knew that it would never work 35:22.720 --> 35:27.760 It will be so coming but at the same time everybody again, you know 35:27.760 --> 35:33.200 Clear channel NPR and and the small webcaster and the rest of nobody expected it to be 35:33.600 --> 35:38.440 But the royalty panel to make the decision that they did they heard one side they heard the other side and 35:38.800 --> 35:40.480 They expected the 35:40.480 --> 35:46.400 The decision to come down somewhere in the middle. It didn't come down in the middle out of nowhere and nobody expected it 35:46.400 --> 35:50.280 It came down entirely on the side of the yard of a way and sound exchange and that's 35:52.000 --> 35:54.640 That's been a complete shock and so 35:55.160 --> 36:00.200 I mean for again for people who who you know or for whom it's okay that 36:00.920 --> 36:08.840 That something as unjust as this happens. Well fine, but you know for a lot of people 36:08.840 --> 36:14.320 It's you know who are putting out radio that does play the sound track of our lives 36:14.440 --> 36:19.480 It's this not good. It's you know and and it's not accepted. I mean why should we put up with that? 36:19.480 --> 36:22.120 Why should that be okay? Why should it be okay? 36:22.680 --> 36:28.920 For the you know for the record industry to muscle Congress into putting a an nascent business 36:28.920 --> 36:34.720 Out I mean that that's basically they're doing the killing of business the killing of it 36:34.720 --> 36:39.080 It's just starting out and they're doing it on purpose. I mean, it's just an amazing thing to talk 36:39.080 --> 36:43.720 Have dead. Okay. Here's my take on it. So yeah, I mean, I don't know about the putting out of business 36:43.720 --> 36:46.920 part of it because look, you know, it's it's their property 36:47.160 --> 36:49.960 They've they've had a monopoly over 36:50.680 --> 36:54.280 Remusic in the way it's licensed and how it's used for for many many years 36:55.080 --> 37:00.280 In in podcasting, I think we pretty much saw that there was just no way through it. So let's go around it and 37:00.920 --> 37:02.920 For my money, I think maybe 37:03.640 --> 37:10.360 We could take all this energy and we could create the soundtrack or the lives of our children or something like that 37:10.360 --> 37:16.120 You know, it's oh, it's pretty egotistical at this point. I agree that at the end of the day the listener loses 37:16.840 --> 37:18.040 Because 37:18.040 --> 37:22.680 There's just songs that my daughter is growing up with songs that she should you know that she should know about 37:22.760 --> 37:30.040 She's never gonna hear because they're not played on the radio and they're certainly, you know, not played on podcasts and they're just not available and that is a 37:30.040 --> 37:32.040 Travesty, but 37:32.040 --> 37:33.720 Don't you think we should just 37:33.720 --> 37:37.160 Get on with it and say all right. Well, you know, because I think either the 37:38.040 --> 37:41.160 Obviously, it's not a strategy for the future for for the for the 37:42.120 --> 37:43.160 mainstream 37:43.160 --> 37:45.160 Music industry 37:45.560 --> 37:50.280 I think that they'll either have to come around and and change their views if everyone says, okay, screw it 37:50.280 --> 37:52.280 We're just gonna go play this other stuff or 37:53.080 --> 37:55.080 They'll die 37:55.080 --> 37:57.080 Right, but but that's 37:57.080 --> 38:02.440 I think they can do both. I think on the one hand they can play the other stuff and and on the other hand they can fight 38:02.920 --> 38:03.960 What's happened? 38:03.960 --> 38:10.680 I also think by the way, and I want to completely switch my point of view on this because I think I think I think there are ways of dealing with it 38:10.680 --> 38:11.960 But we can't deal with it 38:11.960 --> 38:17.160 I'm the supply side. That's what I'm working on at the Birken Center Harvard right now is coming up with 38:17.560 --> 38:21.320 With instruments on the listening side there's a whole category of 38:22.680 --> 38:26.840 So after that hasn't been created yet and tools and haven't been created yet that that give 38:28.440 --> 38:35.560 Not just listeners, but but give customers ways of dealing with vendors that they don't have right now and now and you're here's a way of looking at it 38:35.560 --> 38:36.600 So 38:36.600 --> 38:40.280 And I'll just talk about I'll talk about public radio for a second. This is an interesting thing 38:40.280 --> 38:43.160 So if you're in any room with middle class people in the US 38:43.160 --> 38:49.240 It's a family people here listening listening listen to public radio and almost all the hands go up and and you say okay 38:49.240 --> 38:53.800 How many actually pay for it and most of the hands come down 10% go up then you mess this? 38:54.440 --> 38:59.000 How many of you would pay for it? It was easy at all the hands go back up again 38:59.480 --> 39:03.720 The problem is it's not easy. Now a color that with with with 39:04.360 --> 39:05.720 Music is that 39:05.720 --> 39:11.720 With the honor, I definitely want you to what's the station's to charge even the thousands this antipers song 39:11.800 --> 39:14.920 Okay, and it adds up of course you've got four or five 10 39:15.400 --> 39:17.400 20,000 listeners at any given time 39:18.200 --> 39:21.160 That adds up to a lot especially if you're not collecting money for it 39:21.240 --> 39:25.640 But what if you could collect money for it? What if we could solve the problem from the listening side of I 39:25.880 --> 39:29.480 I mean if I want to hear I mean just earlier tonight and I was playing with this thing is playing 39:30.040 --> 39:34.200 Six days on the road by Dave Dudley for 1963. It's part of the centric life, right? 39:34.760 --> 39:37.080 I'm gonna fix it to use on the road. I'm gonna go on on my own 39:38.040 --> 39:41.960 Doc you're dating yourself. Yeah, I just want my voice changed to that very song, right? 39:41.960 --> 39:45.240 So I'm gonna imitate Dave Dudley. So anyway, I 39:46.280 --> 39:49.000 So I'm thinking you know, I'd be willing to pay 39:49.160 --> 39:55.800 19,000 to this set to hear that song and I would like to be able when I hear it to punch a button on the car radio 39:55.800 --> 39:59.880 Or punch a button on the whatever I'm listening on and say you know, I want to throw it right 39:59.880 --> 40:03.560 I would have also a 20 25,000 to the set in their general right 40:04.040 --> 40:09.720 But Doc you come back to it has nothing to do with web radio is just another way of getting music, you know 40:09.720 --> 40:15.960 It's like you pay for satellite radio you pay for a subscription to Napster you you know, you pay for 40:16.600 --> 40:21.800 Subscription to Yahoo music engine, you know, it's like wouldn't it just be a hell of a lot easier just to buy a subscription? 40:21.800 --> 40:25.960 I mean I have Napster. I love it. You know, I was like, oh, I'd love to hear that song 40:27.000 --> 40:30.920 Here's interesting thing. We we got Rhapsody other subtle system. You listen to it 40:31.320 --> 40:36.440 Mostly, you know coming up to holiday is gonna take a little care to go get a Christmas music channels 40:36.440 --> 40:40.840 We play the Christmas music people come over we play the jazz thing and a plane to class 40:40.840 --> 40:44.840 It's really good and you know why they got a really boring after a while 40:44.840 --> 40:47.800 Yes, because you don't have someone programming it for you 40:47.800 --> 40:53.640 Exactly and how much did they say there is and all that but the interesting thing is the real radio stations 40:53.640 --> 40:59.800 I mean I listen to small things is something called care CL in in Salt Lake City awesome freaking radio station 41:00.200 --> 41:04.120 There's a little one in in Fairfield, I like how care you you and you know 41:04.120 --> 41:07.800 They're range on the ground is you know four miles, but I'm in that it's around the world and 41:08.520 --> 41:13.240 And I don't know whether they're playing a Creative Commons music or something else most of it is stuff 41:13.240 --> 41:18.200 I haven't heard before but it's cool shit and and I like listening to it and here 41:18.200 --> 41:22.840 Here's the thing I would like to this is like this is a light and on the one hand 41:22.840 --> 41:26.680 I would like to help the stations fight the R.I.W.A and all that on the other hand 41:26.680 --> 41:28.680 I would like to 41:28.680 --> 41:33.320 Create the tools that make it easy for the listeners easier than ever for the listeners to get money 41:33.880 --> 41:39.800 Directly to the people who are to be artists and for the intermediaries that are doing the job and and through the day 41:39.800 --> 41:42.040 You mean just leaving it up to Napster and 41:42.360 --> 41:44.680 Rhapsody and those is boring. I mean, I would rather have a 41:45.240 --> 41:46.840 You know, you know 41:46.840 --> 41:51.320 And impulse based you know works when I want it to way of doing that. So 41:51.880 --> 41:53.880 Okay 41:54.200 --> 41:58.360 It may be completely bogus. I mean, I work, but I'm trying to make it work. You know, just start about it 41:58.360 --> 42:02.120 Well, when you when you got some news make sure you let me know. I'd love to hear about it 42:02.120 --> 42:04.120 I'd love to have you back on the show to talk about that 42:04.120 --> 42:08.920 Well, I'll be glad to come so just tell me what what are you gonna do in Brussels because it talk what the hell do you do? 42:08.920 --> 42:10.920 I mean you you write you 42:10.920 --> 42:14.680 You're you're an a-list blogger. Are you a consultant? I presume? 42:15.480 --> 42:18.840 Yeah, oh, that and it was the the main thing. I mean right now 42:18.840 --> 42:23.080 I've entered the the academic phase in my life. I've got a of a 42:23.880 --> 42:26.680 I'll fellowship at the Birken Center at Harvard 42:27.080 --> 42:29.080 And that's what I'm working on 42:29.080 --> 42:32.280 You know, I bet I bet you can pick up chicks with that. Hey, I'm a fellow at the 42:32.280 --> 42:35.080 I'm a race of a baby. Come on over here. Yeah 42:35.080 --> 42:38.280 Yeah, no, no, mostly 42:38.280 --> 42:43.080 I don't know what it does. Anyway, so the but it's fun, but the the other one is that I have a I also the fellowship 42:43.080 --> 42:45.560 But you see a speed here in Santa Barbara where I live to work on 42:46.120 --> 42:49.960 On some other stuff which is too long and complicated going to but it's also cool 42:50.120 --> 42:51.960 The big thing about both is that 42:52.600 --> 42:57.240 Is that I get to save a relationship so two universities that never would have let me in a student so 42:58.520 --> 43:03.400 That's that's pretty cool. I was like a straight beast student in school and uh all right, but now I get you 43:03.400 --> 43:05.640 But you got to eat Doc what what are you doing in Brussels? 43:05.640 --> 43:09.000 This is gonna be my dinner. Okay, so so there 43:09.880 --> 43:11.880 Actually, I'm yeah there are cutters a 43:13.160 --> 43:17.800 There's a I'm meeting with some some folks and I'm some business, but I'm also at a 43:18.440 --> 43:21.880 At a conference called inner identity open space that I've been involved with 43:22.840 --> 43:24.440 Online identity 43:24.440 --> 43:28.360 Development for a number of years and there's been some good salty involved in that, but 43:29.160 --> 43:31.160 More importantly, they'll actually manage to move 43:33.720 --> 43:38.120 Individual based identity forward with open ID and the number of other technologies over the last few days 43:38.120 --> 43:44.520 You really turn them out more of the instigators. What's that? You're turning me on now with all this identity talk. It's making me hot 43:48.440 --> 43:53.000 You know good consulting and that course is still right for litics journal. That's my page right right 43:53.000 --> 43:55.000 It's been my day job for many many years and 43:55.960 --> 44:00.760 That that gets me a lot of you know the information that's good to make money in some other way 44:01.160 --> 44:07.480 Okay, well Doc, I I love the stuff you're writing your weblog. I get it through RSS, but I presume is it still docked out weblogs.com? 44:07.880 --> 44:09.880 Yep, I think I've had the 44:10.200 --> 44:17.080 The same address longer. I'm not making the last weblogs.com blog. I think yeah, but the last thing is not just the thing say 44:17.960 --> 44:21.720 So we'll be following you. Thanks for for enlightening us 44:22.360 --> 44:25.400 Somewhat here on on on this whole issue 44:26.840 --> 44:31.960 It's very complicated, but you know, I did keep doing what you're doing. It's all you know that the podcasting 44:33.560 --> 44:38.040 There's actual progress there and and you're not pushing the same rock up. They all look wonderful 44:39.480 --> 44:43.240 Hold different rock. Yeah, it's a rock believe me. It's a rock as well 44:48.760 --> 44:55.080 All right, Doc, I really appreciate have a great trip to Brussels and I'll send you a list of restaurants for for you. Okay, bye 44:56.360 --> 44:58.360 All right, thank you 44:58.750 --> 49:46.250 [ Music ] 49:54.440 --> 50:01.340 necessary, crush and soulful battle from the pod tape music network, well, I'm not 50:01.340 --> 50:06.700 quite sure what I learned, but I do appreciate Doc Serals taking the time before his 50:06.700 --> 50:10.100 trip to talk about the death of Web Radio. 50:10.100 --> 50:14.820 Alright, so for tomorrow I'm looking for a savon who can talk to me about the World Bank 50:14.820 --> 50:22.300 and about Wolfowitz, I think it would be perfect for nylon, but I have no idea if nylon 50:22.300 --> 50:26.580 is still listening, haven't heard from him in a while, I don't know what he did while 50:26.580 --> 50:32.780 we're on vacation, but he's just kind of disappeared from the face of the earth. 50:32.780 --> 50:37.260 And of course, I'd love to hear your suggestions for the rights of on to talk about that, 50:37.260 --> 50:39.820 because that's just something I'd like to discuss tomorrow. 50:39.820 --> 50:43.700 It's really hard to do this by the way, I can see where it's 50 minutes right now, and I'm 50:43.700 --> 50:47.300 really trying to keep these interviews at 10 to 15 minutes. 50:47.300 --> 50:51.140 What do we do with Doc about 19 minutes, God's field feels a little bit long. 50:51.140 --> 50:54.740 But of course, I had to do a bit of intro, at least three minutes of talking about 50:54.740 --> 50:56.740 what Doc does. 50:56.740 --> 51:00.820 Okay, so here in San Fran, all kinds of meetings, all kinds of crap going on, so the shows 51:00.820 --> 51:06.100 will be recorded at night, but of course, I know you really like that. 51:06.100 --> 51:10.700 Adam at podshow.com, dailysourcecode.com, hey, we're going to have a fun week, I'll 51:10.780 --> 51:11.700 talk to you tomorrow, bye. 51:11.700 --> 51:21.500 Another podshow podcast, stick it in your ear. 51:21.500 --> 51:26.860 The best in the brightest served up daily by the sharpest minds and content delivery, podshow 51:26.860 --> 51:27.820 in line light.