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01:01.000 16 million dollars worth of airplane strapped to my ass. 01:01.000 --> 01:04.000 In the next generation radio content in my ears. 01:04.000 --> 01:07.000 We don't need no sticky and crispy. 01:07.000 --> 01:10.000 I like to think I'm flying into this jerk. 01:10.000 --> 01:13.000 Honest and kiss and curry. 01:13.750 --> 04:57.000 [ Music ] 04:57.000 --> 04:59.000 Fireings, let me know 04:59.000 --> 05:01.000 The fun things and not worry 05:01.000 --> 05:05.000 Which means you can find it at quadshow.com 05:05.000 --> 05:09.000 Of course you'll find the link to their 05:09.000 --> 05:12.000 Artist page at 05:12.000 --> 05:13.000 The show notes for the show 05:13.000 --> 05:15.000 DailySourceCode.com 05:15.000 --> 05:17.000 By the way, some very cool you can do 05:17.000 --> 05:19.000 If you follow that link 05:19.000 --> 05:21.000 And you've registered with podshow 05:21.000 --> 05:23.000 You can collect all of their songs 05:23.000 --> 05:25.000 You do it by hitting get it 05:25.000 --> 05:26.000 And you can put it in your collection 05:26.000 --> 05:27.000 So whenever you want to hear it 05:27.000 --> 05:28.000 You can go straight into your collection 05:28.000 --> 05:30.000 It's like a bookmark really 05:30.000 --> 05:33.000 But it's a multimedia bookmark 05:33.000 --> 05:36.000 And then you can just play all the songs 05:36.000 --> 05:38.000 You can put it into a collection of other artists 05:38.000 --> 05:39.000 Hey, cool shit 05:39.000 --> 05:40.000 Anyway, it's DailySourceCode 05:40.000 --> 05:43.000 Episode 588 coming to you from a very 05:43.000 --> 05:46.000 Well, it was a very sunny San Francisco 05:46.000 --> 05:48.000 Of course the sun is now gone down over the yard arm 05:48.000 --> 05:50.000 It is the evening, Tuesday evening 05:50.000 --> 05:52.000 So you're here in this Wednesday hopefully 05:52.000 --> 05:55.000 I'm on my west coast recording schedule 05:55.000 --> 05:56.000 And I'm feeling good 05:56.000 --> 05:58.000 I gotta tell you, I got to bed on time last night 05:58.000 --> 06:00.000 10 30 11 o'clock 06:00.000 --> 06:01.000 I actually watched a little bit of news 06:01.000 --> 06:03.000 Which was a ton of waste 06:03.000 --> 06:05.000 I watched a David Letterman's monologue 06:05.000 --> 06:06.000 And I passed out 06:06.000 --> 06:07.000 And I woke up this morning 06:07.000 --> 06:09.000 Before the alarm clock went off 06:09.000 --> 06:11.000 Like 7, 10, 7, 15 06:11.000 --> 06:12.000 It's funny 06:12.000 --> 06:14.000 I can actually program my brain 06:14.000 --> 06:16.000 And say I want to wake up at 7 06:16.000 --> 06:17.000 And at like 7 06:17.000 --> 06:18.000 I will wake up 06:18.000 --> 06:20.000 Maybe 659 or 701 06:20.000 --> 06:21.000 Do you have that? 06:21.000 --> 06:23.000 I know a lot of people who can do that 06:23.000 --> 06:25.000 I wonder how we do that 06:25.000 --> 06:30.000 Lots of good feedback about the new format 06:30.000 --> 06:32.000 I'm so happy you guys are liking it 06:32.000 --> 06:34.000 And there's of course some suggestions 06:34.000 --> 06:37.000 And lots of people sign up to be savants 06:37.000 --> 06:40.000 In the ongoing series of savants 06:40.000 --> 06:42.000 People hawken their family members 06:42.000 --> 06:44.000 And saying they want to be savants 06:44.000 --> 06:46.000 Because their experts in a certain field 06:46.000 --> 06:48.000 This is all fabulous 06:48.000 --> 06:50.000 Because I'm going to take advantage of every single one of you 06:50.000 --> 06:54.000 And I've got a couple of pieces of feedback 06:54.000 --> 06:57.000 Privately and publicly 06:57.000 --> 06:59.000 And it's almost like a challenge 06:59.000 --> 07:01.000 You'll never be able to get a single 07:01.000 --> 07:02.000 I guess on every single day 07:02.000 --> 07:03.000 You'll never be able to pull it off 07:03.000 --> 07:04.000 I'm like 07:04.000 --> 07:05.000 Thank you 07:05.000 --> 07:06.000 I really enjoy that challenge 07:06.000 --> 07:07.000 Because I know I can 07:07.000 --> 07:10.000 I know that I am no more than a couple of phone calls away 07:10.000 --> 07:12.000 From anybody I want to talk to 07:12.000 --> 07:14.000 I'm convinced of that 07:14.000 --> 07:16.000 Now the most people I'm interested in talking to 07:16.000 --> 07:19.000 Of course aren't famous people 07:19.000 --> 07:23.000 They're not the people you see appear on CNN 07:23.000 --> 07:26.000 Or on MTV for that matter 07:26.000 --> 07:28.000 You know it's a people from our own world 07:28.000 --> 07:29.000 Our own savants 07:29.000 --> 07:30.000 And I love you 07:30.000 --> 07:32.000 And I will protect you always 07:32.000 --> 07:36.000 But so that's good 07:36.000 --> 07:38.000 And I will work very hard 07:38.000 --> 07:40.000 And I'm not quite sure 07:40.000 --> 07:42.000 I think I still want to keep 07:42.000 --> 07:44.000 Completely football 07:44.000 --> 07:45.000 I don't want to have a guest 07:45.000 --> 07:47.000 Maybe I'll just do straight music a whole bunch of songs 07:47.000 --> 07:49.000 You know let's shake it up a little bit 07:49.000 --> 07:51.000 You guys seem to be enjoying something different 07:51.000 --> 07:52.000 So that's good 07:52.000 --> 07:54.000 Let me see 07:54.000 --> 07:55.000 I wanted to thank 07:55.000 --> 07:58.000 Doxerals again for appearing on yesterday's show 07:58.000 --> 08:01.000 He of course posted a couple of links on his weblog 08:01.000 --> 08:03.000 He said that he felt 08:03.000 --> 08:06.000 He posted that he felt that he didn't do a really good job 08:06.000 --> 08:09.000 Explaining the issues or what he's working on 08:09.000 --> 08:11.000 Now the vendor 08:11.000 --> 08:13.000 What is it called? 08:13.000 --> 08:14.000 Vendor name system 08:14.000 --> 08:16.000 I understand because I've been reading his weblog 08:16.000 --> 08:18.000 So I know what he's talking about 08:18.000 --> 08:20.000 Basically a way for 08:20.000 --> 08:23.000 Customers who don't have a vendor yet 08:24.000 --> 08:27.000 Or who are just finding a vendor to figure out how to pay them 08:27.000 --> 08:28.000 Something like that 08:28.000 --> 08:30.000 But when Doc has it up and running 08:30.000 --> 08:31.000 I'm sure we'll have him back on 08:31.000 --> 08:33.000 We'll talk about it 08:35.000 --> 08:36.000 So you guys 08:36.000 --> 08:38.000 You can't be lazy on me 08:38.000 --> 08:40.000 Okay, because I'm out there 08:40.000 --> 08:41.000 I'm working the guests 08:41.000 --> 08:42.000 I'm getting them in 08:42.000 --> 08:43.000 I'm getting them on the show 08:43.000 --> 08:45.000 And all of a sudden everything stops 08:45.000 --> 08:46.000 There's no more phone calls 08:46.000 --> 08:48.000 Or almost no more phone calls 08:48.000 --> 08:49.000 There's no more bits being sent in 08:49.000 --> 08:50.000 I mean you know 08:50.000 --> 08:51.000 It has to come 08:51.000 --> 08:52.000 Don't be too lazy 08:52.000 --> 08:54.000 Just be sitting back the whole time 08:54.000 --> 08:56.000 Do something, say something 08:56.000 --> 08:58.000 Or I'm going to have to continue playing this annoying jingle 09:14.000 --> 09:16.000 Yeah, I want you to call in 09:16.000 --> 09:18.000 And let me know what's going on 09:18.000 --> 09:21.000 Or if you have some feedback on a certain topic 09:21.000 --> 09:23.000 You know what to do 09:23.000 --> 09:25.000 I'm actually walking here 09:25.000 --> 09:27.000 I'm trying to pull up 09:27.000 --> 09:29.000 Where the hell is it? 09:29.000 --> 09:30.000 Shit 09:30.000 --> 09:32.000 I hope this is the 09:32.000 --> 09:34.000 Where do I put it? 09:34.000 --> 09:35.000 I hope this is the right one 09:35.000 --> 09:36.000 Yeah 09:42.000 --> 09:44.000 Only person who called in today 09:44.000 --> 09:46.000 I had a prolific program 09:46.000 --> 09:48.000 I'm here from San Francisco 09:48.000 --> 09:50.000 It seems that you are coming 09:50.000 --> 09:52.000 I think you're on Tuesday 09:52.000 --> 09:54.000 I would love to get into the other way 09:54.000 --> 09:56.000 In person 09:56.000 --> 09:58.000 In person 09:58.000 --> 10:00.000 You feel the same way about me 10:00.000 --> 10:02.000 Yes, I do 10:02.000 --> 10:04.000 There for me number is 10:04.000 --> 10:06.000 Okay, well, I won't play as a phone number 10:06.000 --> 10:12.000 So this is of course the downside of having all the savants in the continuing series 10:12.000 --> 10:14.000 Are we done with the number? 10:14.000 --> 10:16.000 To see you this week 10:16.000 --> 10:18.000 I'm available any evenings 10:18.000 --> 10:20.000 After 4-3 evening 10:20.000 --> 10:22.000 That's my home from work 10:22.000 --> 10:24.000 Yeah, so the problem is 10:24.000 --> 10:28.000 I wish I had time to hang out with everybody 10:28.000 --> 10:30.000 I'm here, we're so busy 10:30.000 --> 10:34.000 My life is completely scheduled around meetings that we have at the office 10:34.000 --> 10:36.000 And of course a production of the daily source code 10:36.000 --> 10:38.000 I'll tell you, I wish I could only work on this show 10:38.000 --> 10:40.000 And that's the only thing I was doing all day long 10:40.000 --> 10:44.000 But on the other hand, I do enjoy all the other wacky shit that we're getting into 10:44.000 --> 10:46.000 We're working on some interesting stuff 10:46.000 --> 11:02.000 Yeah, we've been working a lot on lowering our suck quotients 11:02.000 --> 11:08.000 And so you'll be hearing about some exciting ways that you can help us suck less 11:08.000 --> 11:14.000 And it doesn't matter whether you're a podcaster, a pod safe music artist 11:14.000 --> 11:18.000 Or an audience member, in fact that is in many ways preferable 11:18.000 --> 11:20.000 Because we need some help 11:20.000 --> 11:22.000 So that's the stuff we're working on 11:22.000 --> 11:24.000 And you'll be hearing about that in just a couple weeks 11:24.000 --> 11:26.000 How to help pod show suck less 11:26.000 --> 11:30.000 This is the new Jeff Smith jingle that we've rolled out for 11:30.000 --> 11:32.000 I still have to kind of learn the timing 11:44.000 --> 11:48.000 I don't need you to help us suck less 11:48.000 --> 11:50.000 Jeff, I love it, no 11:50.000 --> 11:56.000 Okay, let me see, had a couple of other things I wanted to talk with you about today 11:56.000 --> 12:02.000 Oh, yeah, just regarding Docsurals and the whole web radio 12:02.000 --> 12:06.000 Link in the comments at dailysourcecode.com 12:06.000 --> 12:08.000 Statement from 365.com 12:08.000 --> 12:12.000 About the copyright royalty board, the changes in pricing from music 12:12.000 --> 12:16.000 And I'm not going to read the whole thing of course I'll put a link to it in the show notes 12:16.000 --> 12:20.000 If you haven't already seen it, Brian, no posted that 12:20.000 --> 12:26.000 But so here was an interesting part here 12:26.000 --> 12:30.000 Since live 365 aggregates all of the performances 12:30.000 --> 12:32.000 Stream through our service into a single report 12:32.000 --> 12:36.000 We will be paying millions of dollars to sound exchange 12:36.000 --> 12:38.000 To administer our four quarterly reports when we actually do all the work 12:38.000 --> 12:40.000 On top of that 12:40.000 --> 12:46.000 The new minimum fee would be more than triple live 365's royalty obligation for 2007 12:46.000 --> 12:48.000 And retroactively 2006 12:48.000 --> 12:52.000 Here comes Yahoo real networks in Pandora 12:52.000 --> 12:54.000 And so I guess we could lump a couple of the names in there 12:54.000 --> 12:56.000 Let's just take those three 12:56.000 --> 13:00.000 We'll have minimum fees that exceed $50 million 13:00.000 --> 13:04.000 Although they're combined 2007 internet radio revenues 13:04.000 --> 13:06.000 Will not even approach $100 million 13:06.000 --> 13:08.000 So that's like a $50 million deficit 13:08.000 --> 13:10.000 So of course you can add last step 13:10.000 --> 13:12.000 M to that and a whole bunch of services 13:12.000 --> 13:14.000 And as I reflected a bit more in the conversation 13:14.000 --> 13:16.000 I had with Doc 13:16.000 --> 13:18.000 It is a shame but not 13:18.000 --> 13:20.000 Because well let me put it this way 13:20.000 --> 13:22.000 I agree with him 13:22.000 --> 13:24.000 That programming music 13:24.000 --> 13:26.000 Very much like a DJ does in the clubs 13:26.000 --> 13:28.000 A DJ 13:28.000 --> 13:30.000 It's an art form 13:30.000 --> 13:32.000 And that's the art form I grew up with 13:32.000 --> 13:34.000 The art form I was schooled in 13:34.000 --> 13:36.000 It's creating a vibe and of course that works very well with radio 13:36.000 --> 13:38.000 Because your audience is usually 13:38.000 --> 13:42.000 And a local geographical level 13:42.000 --> 13:44.000 So that's what I grew up with terrestrial radio 13:44.000 --> 13:46.000 So it's raining outside 13:46.000 --> 13:48.000 You play different records and when it's very sunny 13:48.000 --> 13:50.000 Outside stuff like that 13:50.000 --> 13:54.000 But all these themes and the order that the records appear 13:54.000 --> 13:56.000 It's a very very very effective way 13:56.000 --> 13:58.000 Of creating great entertainment 13:58.000 --> 14:00.000 And I just believe that the music industry 14:00.000 --> 14:02.000 Is a shooting themselves in the foot 14:02.000 --> 14:04.000 For doing this, for making it 14:04.000 --> 14:06.000 Virtually unaffordable 14:06.000 --> 14:08.000 And I think it's just dumb 14:08.000 --> 14:10.000 And if anything 14:10.000 --> 14:12.000 I think that 14:12.000 --> 14:16.000 They are 14:16.000 --> 14:18.000 Putting this type of pricing into effect 14:18.000 --> 14:20.000 Are 14:20.000 --> 14:24.000 Proving a huge disservice to society in general 14:24.000 --> 14:26.000 Because you should be able to hear 14:26.000 --> 14:28.000 This music 14:28.000 --> 14:30.000 It is art, it should you know web radio 14:30.000 --> 14:32.000 In effect maybe it should be treated like a museum 14:32.000 --> 14:36.000 And maybe there should be some curator rules and stuff like that 14:36.000 --> 14:38.000 You know the shit that's in a museum 14:38.000 --> 14:42.000 Is more valuable than the music we're talking about 14:42.000 --> 14:44.000 I'm not saying that one is better than the other 14:44.000 --> 14:46.000 But you know there's a higher price tag on most pieces of art 14:46.000 --> 14:48.000 Than there is on MP3 files of songs 14:48.000 --> 14:52.000 But I think that music 14:52.000 --> 14:54.000 The soundtrack to our lives because that is one thing that 14:54.000 --> 14:56.000 Really resonated for both of us 14:56.000 --> 15:00.000 It's important, it's important that that gets passed on 15:00.000 --> 15:02.000 It's exposure and if terrestrial radio 15:02.000 --> 15:04.000 Doesn't have the bandwidth 15:04.000 --> 15:06.000 Literally to provide all of this music 15:06.000 --> 15:08.000 And web radio is one way to do that 15:08.000 --> 15:12.000 Then I do agree that it's very very important 15:12.000 --> 15:14.000 For our 15:14.000 --> 15:16.000 From a social standpoint 15:16.000 --> 15:20.000 Or from a cultural standpoint 15:20.000 --> 15:22.000 Not from a money-making standpoint 15:22.000 --> 15:24.000 No, I don't know if that's going to help 15:24.000 --> 15:26.000 If we can do anything about it or not 15:26.000 --> 15:28.000 So be it 15:28.000 --> 15:30.000 So we did that one 15:30.000 --> 15:32.000 Oh, I got this 15:32.000 --> 15:34.000 A lot of people sent me this link 15:34.000 --> 15:36.000 This is fantastic 15:36.000 --> 15:38.000 Yeah, I'm going to read this is from the BBC 15:38.000 --> 15:40.000 Let me just go to the email 15:40.000 --> 15:42.000 Send this to me Matt 15:42.000 --> 15:44.000 Oh 15:44.000 --> 15:46.000 You're going to love this if you hadn't heard about this 15:46.000 --> 15:48.000 This is nuts 15:48.000 --> 15:50.000 Singer Cheryl Crow has said 15:50.000 --> 15:52.000 A ban on using too much toilet papers 15:52.000 --> 15:54.000 Should be introduced to help the environment 15:54.000 --> 15:58.000 Crow has suggested using only one square per restroom visit 15:58.000 --> 16:00.000 Except, of course, on those pesky occasions 16:00.000 --> 16:02.000 Where two or three would be required 16:02.000 --> 16:06.000 While clearly she doesn't shit like a guy 16:06.000 --> 16:08.000 Are you crazy? 16:08.000 --> 16:10.000 Now 16:10.000 --> 16:12.000 45-year-old who made the comments on her website 16:12.000 --> 16:16.000 Has just toward the US and a biodiesel powered bus to raise awareness about climate change 16:16.000 --> 16:22.000 I am all for the biodiesel bus 16:22.000 --> 16:23.000 That's cool baby 16:23.000 --> 16:25.000 But 16:25.000 --> 16:27.000 This thing about the toilet paper 16:27.000 --> 16:29.000 Hmm 16:29.000 --> 16:35.000 I propose a limitation be put on how many squares of toilet paper can be used in any one sitting 16:35.000 --> 16:37.000 This is 16:37.000 --> 16:39.000 You know, I met Cheryl Crow when she had 16:39.000 --> 16:41.000 Completely blown out hair 16:41.000 --> 16:45.000 And she was singing backups for Michael Jackson on the 16:45.000 --> 16:47.000 I was at the bad tour 16:47.000 --> 16:49.000 I was a very different girl back then 16:49.000 --> 16:51.000 She was one of the band 16:51.000 --> 16:53.000 She was one of the guys 16:53.000 --> 16:55.000 She was burping and farting 16:55.000 --> 16:57.000 And she was funny and she was energetic 16:57.000 --> 16:59.000 And she was 16:59.000 --> 17:01.000 Not a girl who would restrict my paper usage 17:01.000 --> 17:03.000 How am I outraged by this? 17:05.000 --> 17:07.000 She's got more brilliant ideas 17:11.000 --> 17:15.000 She's designed a clothing line with what she calls a dining sleeve 17:15.000 --> 17:17.000 The sleeve is detachable 17:17.000 --> 17:23.000 And can be replaced with another dining sleeve after the diner has used it to wipe his or her mouth 17:23.000 --> 17:25.000 So I guess instead of using paper napkins 17:27.000 --> 17:29.000 Actually, I think that's a pretty good idea 17:29.000 --> 17:35.000 Except why don't we use I mean we can reuse the sleeve after we've wiped off our mouth 17:35.000 --> 17:39.000 We can use the sleeve to wipe off our ass 17:39.000 --> 17:43.000 Of course the entire reason I even mentioned the story so I can play the jingle 17:47.000 --> 17:49.000 Let's find a chair 17:55.000 --> 17:57.000 We got some great savants on the show today 17:57.000 --> 18:01.000 Because we'll be talking about a very hot news story 18:01.000 --> 18:03.000 Which has actually been alive for about a week now 18:03.000 --> 18:05.000 I can't believe we're still talking about it 18:05.000 --> 18:09.000 This is the voice mail that Alan Baldwin left for his 11 year old daughter 18:09.000 --> 18:11.000 And I gotta tell you 18:11.000 --> 18:15.000 The reason why I wanted to bring it up on the Charlie is because 18:15.000 --> 18:17.000 It's a little sick of mainstream media and the way they're trying 18:17.000 --> 18:19.000 I'm like are all these parents so fucking great 18:19.000 --> 18:23.000 All these parents or oh it never you 18:23.000 --> 18:27.000 You're the parent and you should never talk to your child like that 18:27.000 --> 18:31.000 And I gotta tell you I just it doesn't feel like 18:31.000 --> 18:33.000 Reality is being represented 18:33.000 --> 18:35.000 Regarding the story 18:35.000 --> 18:37.000 Let me say it's a travesty this whole thing is taking place 18:37.000 --> 18:39.000 You know for a family to have to go through this that sucks 18:39.000 --> 18:43.000 So I've got some some cool people 18:43.000 --> 18:45.000 And major savants to talk about it 18:45.000 --> 18:47.000 But first let's revisit the voice mail just briefly 19:13.000 --> 19:15.000 You know 19:15.000 --> 19:17.000 You know 19:17.000 --> 19:19.000 You know 19:19.000 --> 19:21.000 You know 19:21.000 --> 19:23.000 You know 19:23.000 --> 19:25.000 You know 19:25.000 --> 19:27.000 You know 19:27.000 --> 19:29.000 You know 19:29.000 --> 19:31.000 You know 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They truly are savants of the human psyche and I thought the perfect 21:12.520 --> 21:18.080 people to call today about this. Welcome Robin and Suzanne, Maiden of 21:18.080 --> 21:21.800 Insight Works to the Daily Source Code. How are you guys doing? 21:21.800 --> 21:27.600 We are doing great. Very well. Thank you. I'm so glad you guys could make it. I 21:27.600 --> 21:32.000 appreciate you staying up late. You being on East Coast time, but you guys have 21:32.000 --> 21:38.200 helped me in the past with, I said the human psyche, which of course is, that's a 21:38.200 --> 21:43.160 very, very broad description of what you guys talk about. You want just for the 21:43.160 --> 21:47.640 people who aren't familiar with Insight Works, just give us a brief synopsis of 21:47.640 --> 21:53.200 the show and what you guys do on that? Well, we talk about Insight Insight 21:53.200 --> 22:01.840 into ourselves and we miss fellow at Horrible in our website name. That's INSYTWORKS.com 22:01.840 --> 22:07.720 and I thought it's like we're at the pocho so you can get it there. But we 22:07.720 --> 22:13.400 talk about depth psychology. Suzanne is an active therapist and she's gone to 22:13.400 --> 22:18.080 the Pacifica Graduate Institute and there's a lot of union work and depth 22:18.080 --> 22:23.440 psychology and I'm just a lay person. I've done a lot of reading and we on 22:23.440 --> 22:29.840 our show talk about how people function and using the depth psychology approach 22:29.840 --> 22:34.840 and the things that are in the unconscious, how that manifests in the physical world. 22:34.840 --> 22:40.440 So, when you hear this voicemail from Alec Baldwin, what was your initial reaction 22:40.440 --> 22:42.720 the first time you heard? I don't know if you were together when you heard it 22:42.720 --> 22:49.160 you heard it separately. What was your first reaction? Oh my god, I'd cringe. I just 22:49.160 --> 22:55.720 cringe. Oh, me too. We have a 10 year old and I just couldn't believe it. Yeah, I mean, 22:55.880 --> 22:59.880 you know, and lightly speaking, and when I say lightly, I just mean some of basic 22:59.880 --> 23:07.400 therapeutic standpoint. I mean, it's clearly emotional abuse. There's no 23:07.400 --> 23:13.120 question about that. But I think what you're looking at at a maybe something a 23:13.120 --> 23:17.080 little bit deeper than that, like I'm guessing, and the that be right, is to 23:17.080 --> 23:23.120 why he would do something like that. Well, here's my thought. What really struck 23:23.120 --> 23:29.320 me, and Patricia and I heard it together, and I talked with a couple of my, I don't 23:29.320 --> 23:37.560 really have any friends. So acquaintances about it. And I have to admit that in contrast 23:37.560 --> 23:44.440 to everything I saw and actually your reactions as well on television, if you kind of, if 23:44.440 --> 23:50.680 I look a little bit through the words in the tone, I understood him. And I think that 23:50.680 --> 23:57.280 I too have been at times certainly that pissed off at my daughter who now is almost 23:57.280 --> 24:04.880 17. You can't say anything she kicked my ass. But I certainly would have to say that 24:04.880 --> 24:13.480 I too have in the past been guilty of speaking certainly in that type of tone, have been 24:13.480 --> 24:19.280 that angry, and of course that anger probably was channeled from somewhere else at that 24:19.280 --> 24:23.960 moment, and I think that's what's what's probably happening here as well. But everyone 24:23.960 --> 24:28.640 seems so incredibly shocked, and I'm thinking myself, have the people that I'm seeing 24:28.640 --> 24:33.280 respond to this, never ever spoken to their children like this, because I think I have to admit 24:33.280 --> 24:37.640 that I have, and I've heard other parents say this as well. 24:37.640 --> 24:45.240 Okay, and absolutely, and I guess that distinguishing factor is that, and I too have a child, 24:45.240 --> 24:50.720 we have a little boy, and he's actually close to Alex Baldwin's daughter's age, and 24:50.720 --> 24:55.920 have I lost my temper with my kid? Oh my gosh, have I raised my voice of my screen? Of 24:55.920 --> 25:03.240 course. But the distinguishing factor is, have you called your kid really ugly names? Have 25:03.240 --> 25:07.400 you been really threatening and intimidating? I don't mean threatening like, if you don't 25:07.400 --> 25:11.680 do a, you're going to be grounded, or privileges are going to be taken away. That's 25:11.680 --> 25:17.600 different. But the distinguishing factor is that he's like threatening her. He's like, 25:17.600 --> 25:21.080 I'm going to come out there and blah, blah, straighten you out. 25:21.080 --> 25:25.680 Yeah, but is that wrong? I mean, well, Suzanne, he was basically saying, I'm going to 25:25.680 --> 25:29.560 get on a plane. The way I heard it, and maybe I'm just hearing it differently, is I'm 25:29.560 --> 25:34.360 going to stop my life and come and straighten you out because you need help. And I've 25:34.360 --> 25:38.680 been through this, by the way, with my daughter, the whole phone thing, where, you know, 25:38.680 --> 25:44.240 they reject the call or it's, you know, everyone can, my daughter's on the phone all day. 25:44.240 --> 25:48.000 Everybody can reach her, but when I call, I always get voicemail. You know, it's like, what's 25:48.000 --> 25:51.080 going on with that? And it felt to me like I was saying, I'm going to take, I'm going to 25:51.080 --> 25:55.280 stop everything. I have to fix you, which is, of course, dads are like that. You know, 25:55.280 --> 26:00.520 so kids broken, got to go fix the kid. It felt to me, it, to me, it didn't feel like, 26:00.520 --> 26:04.560 like it was going to go kick her ass or anything, but, you know, sit her down and have 26:04.640 --> 26:09.480 to talk. Okay, but he didn't say we're going to sit down and talk about this. He called 26:09.480 --> 26:16.800 her a rude, thoughtful, little pig who had no brain. Yeah. Okay, that's one of the things 26:16.800 --> 26:22.800 that I took out of this was, yes, I get as angry and I have gotten as angry in this 26:22.800 --> 26:28.680 frustrated sounds like you have. And Alex, you know, Alex Baldwin has, but I always go 26:28.680 --> 26:34.160 after the behavior, I don't go after the person. And in this case, Alex went right 26:34.240 --> 26:41.040 after the person. He called his daughter names. And I think that's very different than talking 26:41.040 --> 26:48.080 about the behavior. And the next level that I'd like to take this to is sort of into what 26:48.080 --> 26:54.720 did this trigger in him? Because it's obviously, you know, a phone call getting rejected, 26:54.720 --> 27:00.400 like you've had done, that, that doesn't merit the response. And that's what people always 27:00.480 --> 27:07.840 get surprised about is how people react to a seemingly small trigger. And that's where 27:07.840 --> 27:12.880 Suzanne and I say it's triggering something in the unconscious. Yeah, this is deep for him. 27:12.880 --> 27:19.040 This is very deep. This is triggering, you know, this type of rage, rage is old anger. When somebody 27:19.040 --> 27:24.160 is fat out of control, rage, that's not new stuff. That's not the event itself. You got to look 27:24.160 --> 27:28.880 back historically. What has gone on with him in the past? I mean, just some of the words that he 27:28.880 --> 27:33.920 used, you know, he was obviously very angry. He was very frustrated. He was insulted. He can say 27:33.920 --> 27:40.800 it has to be the last time he humiliated me. Right. So he felt humiliated and he felt attacked. 27:40.800 --> 27:48.240 Now, were those things really, you know, appropriate for having his daughter reject a phone call? 27:49.040 --> 27:55.840 You know, I think it's from a much deeper wounding from a long time ago, or maybe just a 27:55.840 --> 28:02.560 collection of a lot of experience where he has been humiliated or attacked or insulted. 28:02.560 --> 28:09.520 We're letting so out of control in his life that he's asking kind of his daughter to put him 28:09.520 --> 28:13.920 that responsibility almost on her and saying, I'm going to come out there and straighten you out. 28:13.920 --> 28:18.880 And this is going to be the last goddamn time he humiliated me. What else was going on in his life? 28:19.600 --> 28:25.360 That feels so out of control. So let me just say a couple of things about that. 28:25.440 --> 28:29.680 First of all, I got the distinct feeling that this was not the first time that she hadn't picked 28:29.680 --> 28:35.520 up the phone by prior arrangement or something like that. So that could stem some of the frustration 28:35.520 --> 28:43.280 could stem from that. I will say one other thing, as it comes to family behavior, our family, 28:44.400 --> 28:49.280 particularly my daughter and I, and Patricia is, of course, completely opposite, which is why 28:49.280 --> 28:56.080 our marriage has worked for 20 years. But we're very, we all three of us are very emotional people, 28:56.080 --> 29:00.880 and we talk with a lot of motion, you know, where artists, performers, we're creative people. 29:02.080 --> 29:07.920 And I think I've said much worse things than, you know, I've never called my daughter stupid, 29:07.920 --> 29:12.960 because she's not stupid. But have I said things worse than, you know, then you're a pig? Yeah, 29:12.960 --> 29:21.600 probably. And I think that does come down to what, you know, a family, you know, every family has 29:21.600 --> 29:26.720 its own rules, its own behavioral patterns that are acceptable to them and how they speak to each other. 29:26.720 --> 29:31.120 It may not sound nice on the outside, but, you know, I've seen families that have been together 29:31.120 --> 29:38.000 very happily who just say the most terrific things to each other. Well, there are definitely 29:38.080 --> 29:44.160 standards within the family, you know, that the people operate under, that to the outside world, 29:44.160 --> 29:50.560 have different standards. So, you know, I can agree with you on that. So, and you guys, you know, 29:50.560 --> 29:55.760 have a child as well, so that that makes it a lot easier to talk about this. What do you think 29:58.800 --> 30:03.360 if, well, two things, I guess. First of all, what is a better way to approach these type of 30:03.360 --> 30:09.200 situations with your kids, you know, and I'm not a big believer in huge kumbaya. I have to say, 30:09.200 --> 30:15.120 write up front, you know, like, come on, let's sit down, let's talk about, you know, how, how can you 30:15.120 --> 30:20.080 do that? And perhaps the telephone is just not the right instrument in general. And what should 30:20.080 --> 30:25.120 Alec Baldwin do at this point? Really for the relationship with his daughter and forget everything else, 30:25.200 --> 30:34.000 because obviously his life may be very together, but yeah, does he have some problems with his family? 30:34.000 --> 30:41.680 Yeah, obviously. So, on those two topics, you know, what, what comparisons do to not fall into 30:41.680 --> 30:48.160 this trap, which I obviously is not going to work, you know, I heard it, I was like, well, you know, 30:48.160 --> 30:52.800 the kid is not going to respond to this. What can you do and what should Alec Baldwin do in 30:52.880 --> 30:58.400 his particular case? Wow, well, let's take a second question first, which is what he, 30:58.400 --> 31:05.760 where should he kind of go from here? And I think the first step is just to really talk the heck out of 31:05.760 --> 31:11.760 this, with his, with his daughter. But I don't think that should be, I think there should be some 31:11.760 --> 31:17.040 supervision there. What that looks like? I'm not really quite sure. Should there be a therapist? I don't 31:17.040 --> 31:23.520 think it can be in his ex-wife, you know, that's obviously a pretty, um, it's a non-starter, 31:23.520 --> 31:31.040 is what I'd call it. Yeah, yeah, that's a show stopper right there. So he really needs to just keep 31:31.040 --> 31:35.600 communications. A third grade, some sense when we work with families like this, we're one 31:35.600 --> 31:42.320 parent is more volatile. We could just email. Really? You know, that's just email each other for 31:42.320 --> 31:47.760 right now, instead of doing the comb-by-offing, because the kid might be too resistant to sitting 31:47.760 --> 31:53.600 actually down with him and talking about it. It might be safer to just do the email thing, 31:53.600 --> 32:01.520 so that might be a place to start. Interesting. Then how to respond? Yeah, that's one thing that, 32:01.520 --> 32:08.320 again, we recommend, um, in this type of situation. And then how do you even present from getting 32:08.320 --> 32:13.920 there? But, you know, how did he get where he is right now? He hasn't checked his own stuff. He's 32:13.920 --> 32:21.200 not a control. That's the thing that I go back to and in, in trying to fix the relationship with 32:21.200 --> 32:28.880 the daughter or how do you communicate with the child at this point? Um, I think that's, that's 32:28.880 --> 32:32.880 even trying to figure out a way to do that is almost a band aid to the, to the bigger problem. 32:32.880 --> 32:38.240 Right, because Robin, this really, this is more of a symptom of a problem. His daughter is 32:38.240 --> 32:45.840 not, the daughter's almost an honest issue. Right. I mean, you say, well, maybe with, you know, 32:45.840 --> 32:49.840 Christina, you've tried to call her, and again, she's readable to all of her friends, and then when you 32:49.840 --> 32:56.320 try to call, she's not available. Um, and he had kids do that kind of stuff, of course they do. 32:56.320 --> 33:02.880 And, you know, is there a problem there with that? Well, yeah, maybe okay, but God, his rage was just, 33:02.880 --> 33:10.960 so to me, it was very disproportionate to the event. And I, I go back to, she's in and I always 33:10.960 --> 33:16.400 talk about things and try and look at the world in a symbolic fashion. And so, you know, what was 33:16.400 --> 33:22.640 the trigger in this? It was the daughter not answering the phone. So, symbolically, maybe, you know, 33:22.640 --> 33:33.120 Alec is not getting his phone calls answered, you know, kind of a, in a, in a metaphorical way, 33:33.120 --> 33:39.920 that, that, here he's trying to, you know, maybe get another, you know, another show, another movie, 33:39.920 --> 33:45.440 another whatever, and he's putting this stuff out there, and nobody's calling him. So, that's a 33:45.440 --> 33:51.440 very, that's a great analysis. I like that. Well, but it, I think in a very symbolic fashion, 33:51.440 --> 33:59.840 maybe this was just a trigger that he's been waiting for the, not coming. Nobody's answering 33:59.840 --> 34:06.320 and he just, and then he calls a daughter who, who maybe has done this also in the past, but maybe 34:06.320 --> 34:14.000 he just, you know, it just comes to a head and it's triggering a reaction from all these other things. 34:14.000 --> 34:20.080 And we're not, we're not privy in the news and everything else to all the details of his 34:20.080 --> 34:25.760 environment of what's going on in his life. Obviously, there's a part of him that wants to control 34:26.560 --> 34:31.120 his daughter. And that wants to be heard. Yeah. Pick up the phone, damn it. Yeah, you know, 34:31.120 --> 34:36.080 I think you guys really, really nailed it with that one because I catch myself a lot. 34:36.960 --> 34:42.320 I'll be, you know, busy, I'm doing stuff, you know, it can be stupid as like I'm trying to 34:42.320 --> 34:46.880 configure something and it's not working and then someone will come upstairs, ask something 34:46.960 --> 34:52.320 very benign and I'll snap, you know, and then, and now that I'm a little bit older, I actually 34:52.320 --> 34:58.160 catch myself and say, oh, you know, sorry, I was just a complete asshole. That was not directed to 34:58.160 --> 35:03.120 you, you know, and so I and Patricia really taught me a lot about that too because, you know, she 35:03.920 --> 35:09.520 just being senior in years, you know, what already recognized this and she could just easily 35:09.520 --> 35:14.240 shrug her shoulders instead of letting it explode into an event. But I think you're absolutely right 35:14.240 --> 35:20.160 that, you know, it's completely symbolic and we don't know any of the backstory. And if anything, 35:20.160 --> 35:26.400 I think the the Travis de Hairs that this, you know, that this recording was released completely out of 35:26.400 --> 35:32.400 context, I think that's, that's really the most damaging thing that was done here is just to, 35:32.400 --> 35:37.200 you know, to have this on public display to me seems like a really bad thing. 35:38.240 --> 35:43.280 Right. And it's really, it is so easy to take it out of context because there's just so many things 35:43.360 --> 35:49.040 we don't know. I mean, we can insert things and look at it, you know, symbolically that, 35:50.320 --> 35:54.960 all right. So the the only thing I guess I just want to go out of this is that I personally don't 35:54.960 --> 36:01.360 think that Alec Baldwin is a bad parent and, and it kind of bugged me, I have to say, you know, 36:01.360 --> 36:06.240 just seeing all the news reports and it's, you know, and man on the street interviews and, oh, 36:06.240 --> 36:10.640 you know, how the hell could he ever talk to his child like that and I'm like, well, you know, 36:10.960 --> 36:14.720 I don't think he's a bad guy, but yes, I think he did on the head there. 36:14.720 --> 36:19.680 Right, he's a bad parent and he and he and he and his daughter in other ways might have a 36:19.680 --> 36:26.320 really strong bond and a great relationship. Well, I sure hope they do. 36:27.360 --> 36:34.400 Yeah, I do too. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, guys. Well, listen, I really appreciate you weighing in on this 36:34.400 --> 36:38.720 and and hopefully I can call on you more in the future when we have to deal with the 36:39.520 --> 36:47.360 issues of the psyche. And everybody's my gosh. Everybody's my gosh. Yes, because there's lots of 36:47.360 --> 36:53.520 it floating around. Yeah, including my own. Yeah, including my own. Right on, right on, we've got 36:53.520 --> 36:58.960 baggage and we're proud of it. Damn it. He's hands with Louis Vuitton. 37:00.960 --> 37:05.040 Exactly. I'm black and white. Hey, man, to me, it's indestructible, you know, 37:05.200 --> 37:13.680 can't break my luck. All right. Well, guys, thanks so much. Insideworks.com is the website for the show. 37:13.680 --> 37:18.480 It's really a great show. 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