WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.000 It was $60 million worth of airplane strapped to my ass. 00:07.000 --> 00:10.000 Then the next generation radio content in my ears. 00:10.000 --> 00:15.000 I like to think I'm flying into the future. 00:15.000 --> 00:17.000 I'm just kidding. 00:17.000 --> 00:18.000 It's Adam Curry. 00:18.000 --> 00:19.000 Let her drop. 00:19.000 --> 00:24.000 Delta, see her turn. 00:24.000 --> 00:27.000 Episode 6-07. 00:27.000 --> 00:28.000 Hey, everybody. 00:28.000 --> 00:29.000 How you doing? 00:29.000 --> 00:31.000 It is late on Thursday evening. 00:31.000 --> 00:32.000 I'm back at the manner. 00:32.000 --> 00:33.000 Don't worry. 00:33.000 --> 00:35.000 It's not another flying sound scene tour. 00:35.000 --> 00:39.000 It's been a pretty busy 48 hours. 00:39.000 --> 00:41.000 Maybe even a little bit longer. 00:41.000 --> 00:44.000 And I'm really, really tired. 00:44.000 --> 00:49.000 And tomorrow on the maximum music footballer Friday, I'll be happy to tell you all about it. 00:49.000 --> 01:19.000 For today, though, we have a special S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S- 01:19.000 --> 01:47.120 S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-P-S-S-S-S-U-S-R-I-C-S-S-And-E-T-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-E-S-A-D-D-S-S-I-S-S-S-E-O-R Freeienst, CH 01:47.120 --> 01:54.120 That really makes me feel good when I hear someone enjoy something like that, basically. 01:54.120 --> 02:01.040 Not really an experiment because I've done these recordings before and the responses are exactly 02:01.040 --> 02:02.040 perpendicular. 02:02.040 --> 02:08.280 People say I don't, I'm not interested, hated listening to it and it was way too basic 02:08.280 --> 02:12.520 and then the opposite because you really should be listening to an episode like this in 02:12.520 --> 02:14.160 the car. 02:14.160 --> 02:19.440 Because you're in the same type, this is totally, it's theater of the mind. 02:19.440 --> 02:22.760 You don't need to close your eyes to be in the cockpit with me. 02:22.760 --> 02:26.400 If you turn this up, your car is actually vibrating. 02:26.400 --> 02:31.600 If you haven't listened to that in the car on the speakers and it does seem to work for 02:31.600 --> 02:38.000 a lot of people with earbuds, but really trying to get it on a nice speaker system and 02:38.000 --> 02:43.400 that by the way, completely uncompressed, un-tweet, non-filtered recording of exactly what 02:43.400 --> 02:49.080 was going on in my ear, I will tell you, I just use this little love microphone, I stick 02:49.080 --> 02:53.440 it into my ear and then put the headphones on so it's picking up the intercom, it's picking 02:53.440 --> 02:54.440 up the radio. 02:54.440 --> 02:58.880 The radio, by the way, there's something fucked with it, I've got a, I'm trying to get 02:58.880 --> 03:06.240 that fix, it's not very clear, it's a little unintelligible and I'm just on the reception 03:06.240 --> 03:11.560 side, I'm actually having some trouble hearing what people are saying and I went with 03:11.560 --> 03:17.000 the cat and yoss and that's a story from another day, you flew me, you flew co-pilot 03:17.000 --> 03:22.840 and safety pilot to Darmstadt, oh man, I can't so much shit to talk about. 03:22.840 --> 03:29.760 Hi Adam, it's Will from Essex and the UK again, I'm getting a bit concerned, and I've 03:29.760 --> 03:35.280 got to be honest, I haven't listened to all of your shows, but what's happened to Roger? 03:35.280 --> 03:41.840 His Roger Smalls got, because I think I'm most of the TV to highlight, and I haven't 03:41.840 --> 03:46.400 had the ring, I haven't had just me, and more importantly I haven't had a dodgy phone 03:46.400 --> 03:51.680 microphone action and him doing his card and bit, I don't know, I'm going to be worried 03:51.680 --> 03:56.320 about it and so I just wanted to keep you doing the chemical or you know, the text or any 03:56.320 --> 04:00.120 amount, because I'm sure you got it's competitive, I'll just pop around to his house and 04:00.120 --> 04:10.680 just take these, you know, in the right, dude, I feel really bad, I don't think I've 04:10.680 --> 04:15.640 looked at Roger sight in such a long time, Roger Smalls.com, is it was it Roger Smalls 04:15.640 --> 04:27.440 thought, I think it's that log, spot.com, Roger Smalls.com, that's interesting, leads to 04:27.680 --> 04:34.280 OS X training.com, okay, we're not looking for that Roger, Smalls are blogs, okay, Monday, May 04:34.280 --> 04:40.800 seven, so it's been a little while, it's got, oh, it's got another weird stuff, hmm, it seems 04:40.800 --> 04:46.400 depressed, oh man, you're right, I don't know if I'm going to go to his house, but I think it 04:46.400 --> 04:51.520 is a good idea to check up on him. Hey Adam, this is Dan, just wanted to say that's over 04:51.520 --> 04:58.080 it, I'm going to put it into your PSC 606, your flight to the channel, great piece of that podcasting, 04:58.080 --> 05:03.920 I've been listening to your show for a while, and that was a great piece of what you did there. 05:03.920 --> 05:09.960 I work in an office, I guess you must have flown over the top of our gas platform, as I 05:09.960 --> 05:14.960 think it was on route. Anyway, take care, really enjoy it, all the best, Roger Bye. 05:14.960 --> 05:19.280 Hey man, if you're on the gas platform, get me the coordinates, get me the GPS coordinates, 05:19.360 --> 05:24.640 because I don't know which one is yours, I'll fly over, and we'll set a time, and we'll like 05:24.640 --> 05:30.480 to take pictures of each other, do something radical like that. The prize definitely goes to 05:32.480 --> 05:42.320 Bell Flyer, who said Minimil, who said enjoyed the flight, what do you say? What was the 05:42.320 --> 05:49.120 interest to you? Okay, here it comes, I thought I heard a bounce. This is only a fucking 05:49.120 --> 05:55.200 pilot could hear this, because yes, upon landing, I bounced a little bit, keep that flare 05:55.200 --> 06:00.080 going until you, until the stall warning, if you can, Cessna's will bounce above 80 knots, yeah, 06:00.080 --> 06:06.720 I know, I came in a little too fast. I can't believe that someone actually heard that, 06:06.720 --> 06:09.680 just with the audio, because I'm not saying anything, and you just have to listen to it, because 06:09.680 --> 06:14.560 actually, revved up a little bit, but the bounce, I thought it came through ever so slightly, so 06:14.560 --> 06:20.480 oh, I have a James's back on the line. Yeah, Adam, pretty, James, just listen to your little 06:20.480 --> 06:26.000 films, so you're into a nice little bit of a difference. You mentioned it, Jeffrey and Jeff, I'm 06:26.000 --> 06:33.120 guessing that's a helicopter, but I'm not a aviation person, but I gotta use to fly helicopter, 06:33.120 --> 06:38.160 you don't, you don't, let's do enough, just a question, sorry, I'm not next, okay, 06:38.720 --> 06:46.560 James, I gotta tell you, man, that I am so jazzed about what's gone down in the past couple of 06:46.560 --> 06:51.520 weeks with how the flying's gone, but yeah, I miss it terribly, and now that the nice weather's 06:51.520 --> 06:56.880 upon us, I'll definitely get some chopper flying in, and I don't know, if you guys like it, 06:56.880 --> 07:03.200 I'll do another, I think that actually, as we move into the German market, and again, 07:03.200 --> 07:08.080 please, after the weekend, we'll talk about that and what's going down, but we are definitely 07:08.080 --> 07:13.600 coming to thank you, everybody, for sending me emails, with your great insights on the market. 07:14.720 --> 07:18.160 Actually, I felt my German kind of start getting a little bit better, while I was there for a couple 07:18.160 --> 07:22.960 days. Anyway, so I feel that, you know, there'll be plenty of opportunity, or maybe that the 07:22.960 --> 07:29.120 only time will be able to do a show is when I'm flying, which is okay, because it gets pretty lonely. 07:31.040 --> 07:37.520 And speaking of lonely, here is Mr. lonely himself. It's been a while and great to have him 07:37.520 --> 07:38.400 back on the show. 08:00.080 --> 08:01.840 On a second, I didn't receive any messages. 08:02.480 --> 08:08.240 Why do we need to get to those? No, no, no, no, please, something went wrong. I didn't receive 08:08.240 --> 08:12.240 any, I haven't received anything from you since I started asking for you to call me. 08:13.360 --> 08:14.480 Crap, I hate that. 08:17.120 --> 08:22.400 Shit, man. Would you try doing the the UK now or just send me an email if you called it? 08:22.400 --> 08:27.280 I really, really hate this, so please, let's try and make that word better. Let's try and 08:27.280 --> 08:33.600 suck less on that. Anyway, dude, what's with the show in the airplane? I'm on. What's 08:33.600 --> 08:38.000 focus group that you listen to that said? Or your audience wants to hear you as a sound of your voice. 08:38.000 --> 08:44.800 It doesn't matter what you're saying. It's a show. I listen to a show and I'll wait a minute. 08:44.800 --> 08:52.560 Did I imply that at one time you didn't find the show? By the way, it was an episode of a show. 08:52.560 --> 08:58.160 You didn't find that to be entertaining or a show. I was, I was definitely putting on a show. 08:58.160 --> 09:05.200 I was multitasking and you probably know from your own experience, man, on good multitaskers. 09:05.200 --> 09:10.320 Your voice, respect to audience, give me a show. You know, which raises my second point. 09:10.320 --> 09:15.120 Is this show a hobby or a profession? Is this thing to me that this show has just been 09:15.120 --> 09:19.920 getting in the way of your flying? Which I thought was your hobby and the show is your business. 09:20.000 --> 09:26.400 Oh, dude. The flying is to get around to enable the business to happen more efficiently. 09:27.760 --> 09:34.000 At life gets in the way in general. I'm confused by all this. So, hey, dude. 09:34.000 --> 09:38.560 Um, what's the show? We don't just want to hear anything. What are the show in the topic? 09:39.120 --> 09:45.040 You know, on Delta Sierra, Charlie, you know, let's get the show back on the road. 09:45.040 --> 09:50.160 You know, what happened to Larry King? Hey, wait. Which brings my last point tomorrow's football. 09:50.160 --> 09:55.680 Oh, whenever you're footballer. And I think the part-face network has to be a little bigger than 09:55.680 --> 09:58.400 White rock and roll bands. Okay. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. 09:59.920 --> 10:03.120 Now, this, you got to listen to this. I'll just let it play. For some reason 10:04.240 --> 10:09.360 nylon is, is, is, is confused. Well, he's definitely confused. Saying that, have you ever looked? 10:09.360 --> 10:13.040 Have you gone to potter.com slash music? Have you ever looked at the categories? 10:14.000 --> 10:18.000 Now, they're white rock. What is white rock music? Jesus. 10:18.000 --> 10:22.720 This network has to be a little bigger than white rock and roll bands. Are there no jazz or 10:22.720 --> 10:28.960 does out there? Are there no R&B artists in the pot safe? And as soon as you see the word jazz on our site, 10:29.920 --> 10:35.040 there are R&B. Click on the link. I mean, maybe even there's some classical people. 10:35.040 --> 10:42.400 Oh, classical, click on the link. Yeah, but let us expand this to, you know, beyond just the white rock 10:42.480 --> 10:47.920 and roll bands, jazz. The audience in the world and then podcasting is bigger than that. 10:48.800 --> 10:55.200 So I'm back. Say flying. Good thing we don't have to get a return trip. And that's what you 10:55.200 --> 11:00.880 assume. That's her dick. Not a lot. Hey, nylon, nylon. Look at me. Look at me. Turn around. 11:00.880 --> 11:07.440 Now, bend over, bend over. Stand over. This is from the pot safe music network. 11:07.440 --> 14:14.320 [ Music ] 14:14.320 --> 14:16.960 From the very own Proxy music network 14:17.600 --> 14:23.680 J-me mysteriously sexy and nylon seems to apparently matters to you 14:24.800 --> 14:26.800 She's white 14:26.800 --> 14:28.800 The savonth specials 14:28.800 --> 14:32.000 Okay, it's a time for our savonth from our series of the circle of savonth 14:32.800 --> 14:34.240 Dying the self-interference of savonth 14:35.200 --> 14:36.880 So long 14:36.880 --> 14:39.920 I think I'm gonna be able to get at least one savonth in episode 14:39.920 --> 14:42.640 There's a fast forward button on there for a reason 14:43.120 --> 14:47.600 And I hope to be able to talk to a savonth every single day 14:48.320 --> 14:49.920 savonth 14:49.920 --> 14:53.200 And by the way, I want you to know that this format change doesn't mean that 14:53.840 --> 14:56.560 I don't still want to make it pictures make it pictures 14:57.200 --> 14:59.680 By the salt and the sense of savonth savonth 14:59.680 --> 15:01.680 So with me now 15:01.680 --> 15:03.680 one of the biggest 15:03.680 --> 15:05.680 Superstar savonth 15:05.680 --> 15:07.680 In fact, he is the Mac Daddy of savonth 15:07.680 --> 15:10.480 He is the true J-C of savonth 15:11.440 --> 15:13.440 John C. Dvorak 15:13.440 --> 15:15.440 Hey 15:15.440 --> 15:19.520 The funny thing about that savonth thing is that I was once called the columnist savonth 15:19.520 --> 15:22.000 By the Washington Post. I thought that I always thought that was amusing 15:22.000 --> 15:23.200 And they were quite new at that moment 15:23.200 --> 15:26.560 Did you tell us not so you didn't take it as an insult or compliment you just didn't 15:27.520 --> 15:29.840 Well, the way I see it, I'm kind of like you mad 15:29.840 --> 15:32.800 I mean, you know any you way the publicity by the pound 15:32.800 --> 15:33.520 Yeah 15:33.520 --> 15:36.080 Or the kilo depending on what I mean to that day 15:36.080 --> 15:37.600 Well, yeah, well you're in Europe 15:37.600 --> 15:37.920 So 15:38.880 --> 15:39.920 I 15:39.920 --> 15:44.240 Think the news is a starting to spread to quite well by now that 15:44.880 --> 15:46.880 You've joined Pod Show as 15:47.520 --> 15:54.240 I'm going to right here the Vice President of Managing Editor who will be producing a new breed of technology channel 15:55.760 --> 15:57.760 You know, how could I resist? 15:57.760 --> 16:00.400 Didn't you make all the title and everything up? 16:00.400 --> 16:02.400 You guys made up the title 16:02.400 --> 16:07.280 But this beside the point the fact of the matter is that I you know I decided I'm gonna actually turn 16:08.160 --> 16:13.520 This experience into into a into a speech. I you know, I give these these speeches around the country 16:13.520 --> 16:14.800 I keynotes and whatever 16:14.800 --> 16:15.840 But you know 16:15.840 --> 16:20.880 The funny thing about the whole podcasting scene is that it's just so mirrors 16:21.440 --> 16:27.280 What's happened to newspapers and print with online publishing and I just 16:27.840 --> 16:32.400 Can't not see it happening exactly the same way and for exactly the same reasons 16:33.360 --> 16:37.600 For broadcasting it's just it's just the way the numbers work out 16:38.160 --> 16:41.760 This is the future so I so I was really enthusiastic about 16:42.720 --> 16:44.720 Jumping in on this one so 16:45.440 --> 16:49.840 I've been looking around the web and a couple the there's basically two things that 16:50.480 --> 16:54.480 Of course gets repeated and copied and linked to over and over with with something like this 16:54.480 --> 17:00.000 And by the way John welcome. I think it's it's awesome that that you've made this decision of come on board 17:00.320 --> 17:02.000 I'm already loving working with you 17:02.880 --> 17:09.600 But I'll suck up some more later so the ones that the yeah, right the two things people want to know 17:10.160 --> 17:16.560 Action my contract by the way. I have to suck up to you. Oh really and is that on Tuesdays and Thursdays because I do have that 17:16.880 --> 17:23.040 No, actually, you know what it specifically says in section three five days a week. I only get two days off 17:24.080 --> 17:24.880 in 17:24.880 --> 17:26.880 2000 and four 17:26.880 --> 17:28.640 25th of 17:28.640 --> 17:29.920 October 17:30.080 --> 17:35.760 You wrote in your column on PC magazine about how you just didn't see it happening with in fact 17:35.760 --> 17:41.440 I love this list if podcasting such and this becomes popular and you describe what your experience was of course 17:41.440 --> 17:47.120 This is early days then it's placed in the pecking order for all forms of fun entertainment would be as follows 17:47.120 --> 17:50.480 I love this on top circuses night clubs 17:50.800 --> 17:56.160 Movies sporting events cable TV network TV county fairs talk radio PBS 17:56.640 --> 18:00.320 Whittling fingernail clipping and then podcasting 18:01.440 --> 18:08.560 I'm a laugh riot. I had to say and I remember you writing that and and I probably thought at this at the time 18:09.200 --> 18:10.720 Fucker, I 18:10.720 --> 18:12.720 We'll show you 18:12.720 --> 18:16.400 But you know the funny thing is it's like I did the same thing with blogging and 18:17.040 --> 18:23.840 I mean actually wrote three or four columns and some of them same kind of like snide, you know, you know humorously 18:24.800 --> 18:26.800 Positioned 18:26.800 --> 18:28.800 Policy papers essentially and 18:29.280 --> 18:35.200 You know the blogging thing of course I got into a couple years or a couple years ago in 2004 and I now 18:35.520 --> 18:42.800 Actually think about it because I could have probably gotten into blogging around 1998 when like Leo the port over at ZDTV was 18:43.200 --> 18:45.680 Was blogging already because he jumps on anything 18:46.400 --> 18:48.400 that happens and 18:48.880 --> 18:54.560 If I had done that I wouldn't you know, I'd probably be retired. It just like it was it was I 18:55.200 --> 18:57.200 tend to do that people don't understand this quite 18:57.920 --> 19:04.880 You know, completely my my normal fan base does because I know I'm always like experimenting with with my current thinking 19:05.440 --> 19:07.440 Is that I like to 19:08.160 --> 19:13.200 Look at a technology or an idea or something new like a trend like this and then I'll I'll 19:13.680 --> 19:19.520 Try to try to see everything that's wrong with it and then expose what I think is wrong 19:20.160 --> 19:27.280 And see what kind of pushback I get I you get different kinds of responses to some of these negative pieces that I do and I'm at natural 19:27.600 --> 19:29.200 If you know I've taken 19:29.200 --> 19:31.600 Vocational tests and I it turned out to be 19:32.880 --> 19:35.840 People it comes up at the top of the list. I swear it's 19:36.880 --> 19:38.880 Critic it's like that might 19:40.080 --> 19:42.640 I'm not telling it's the truth. I've done this more and more and 19:42.640 --> 19:46.160 Every time it comes up number one what you should do is become a critic 19:46.640 --> 19:49.600 So anyway, so apparently I have like critical genes 19:49.600 --> 19:54.320 So I'm very critical and that's why you should don't jump on things like you know the second that they happen 19:54.880 --> 19:59.840 But what I do is I criticize it and I go into great details or I'll do something very snide like that 19:59.840 --> 20:02.000 This you mentioned which was quite funny by the way 20:02.800 --> 20:04.320 I do say so myself 20:04.320 --> 20:10.160 But anyway, I'll get I'll get blowback on that and I'll start to reanalyze and reanalyze and then pretty soon 20:10.160 --> 20:13.440 I get a clue now with the podcasting thing compared to the blogging 20:14.800 --> 20:21.200 I kind of got a clue. I think a little faster on the whole thing it did it it didn't take the you know 20:21.200 --> 20:26.720 What one two three four five it didn't take six or seven years for me to figure out that that 20:27.120 --> 20:31.600 Content management software was a great thing because it allowed people to like bypass 20:32.000 --> 20:33.600 You know complicated systems 20:33.920 --> 20:38.080 But with the podcast and think because I'm so in tune with what's happening to newspapers 20:38.480 --> 20:42.000 I just realize it just dawned on me talking to both you and Ron 20:43.040 --> 20:50.640 The CEO of Potcho that that it's like exactly what's happening to newspapers is going to happen to broadcasts because 20:51.280 --> 20:58.080 Just the cost you don't have to have an antenna you don't have to have a first class radio telephone guy running it 20:58.080 --> 21:02.080 You don't have to have a big staff you don't have to have amplifiers. You don't have to you know 21:02.080 --> 21:08.000 You have international poll. I mean it's unbelievable and it's just exactly the same mile away 21:08.000 --> 21:11.120 What's happened to newspapers is that they have they're overhead 21:11.120 --> 21:15.440 It's like they have to print the papers. They've got a buy ink. They've got a buy paper 21:15.440 --> 21:22.160 They have a distribution issue which is by the way another thing that radio broadcasters don't or TV broadcasters 21:22.160 --> 21:26.560 Don't need when you have the internet you don't need the distribution network. It's built into the system 21:26.880 --> 21:30.880 So what I and it went at that dawn. I mean, so this is the end of you know 21:31.600 --> 21:35.200 Conventional thinking I got I got I got a clue a little faster here 21:35.520 --> 21:41.680 So I love these press releases. No, actually I fucking hate them because they never a press release 21:42.000 --> 21:44.960 Never puts in hyperlinks to anything. They just mentioned all these great 21:45.440 --> 21:50.320 Properties and all these fantastic things that we have and that you've done and and they never put a link 21:51.040 --> 21:54.000 But anyway, did you actually say this in the let me just read your quote 21:55.680 --> 22:00.880 Technology has given us this massive new distribution medium and yet our approaches producing technology content 22:01.760 --> 22:07.840 has been in the same old predictable style comments devourack by working with pod shows new channel format 22:07.840 --> 22:10.720 We can combine entail of entertainment and insight 22:10.960 --> 22:18.000 Ron wrote this I can't believe entertainment and insight and take the concept of integrated programming to an entirely new level. Did you say that devourack? 22:19.520 --> 22:24.240 I think I may have said each one of those words at some point in my life 22:24.800 --> 22:31.040 Well essentially, okay, so what's interesting is that and the way people that what we saw on interrupt you 22:31.040 --> 22:36.000 But people out there who listen to this show. I mean you have to I I can explain a few things 22:36.000 --> 22:41.840 But the way they should know everyone should know and by the way when I do I'm going to be doing the tech five report on 22:43.120 --> 22:47.600 On the pod show network, which will be a daily thing that people should subscribe to but and I'm going to 22:48.080 --> 22:53.760 reveal some of these kinds of weirdness is that take place with the press release. A lot of the stuff is written 22:53.920 --> 23:00.720 Not necessarily by the person that's quoted. I believe what I said there though is not contradictory to anything 23:00.720 --> 23:06.720 I believe it's just not something I was specifically said at any given time. I just want you to know what I said 23:07.280 --> 23:09.280 okay 23:09.840 --> 23:15.440 In life technology is no longer in the back row seat. It is now taking center stage. I got to do the dramatic voice 23:15.840 --> 23:19.280 Pod show tech which is the channel you'll be building or whatever it is John 23:19.680 --> 23:25.360 Will reflect that change says Pod show president and co-founder Adam Curry John is the perfect anchor 23:25.360 --> 23:35.040 Combining his legendary insight on camera personality and extensive roll of decks to keep to help keep us fresh the channel fresh informative entertaining and relevant 23:36.720 --> 23:41.840 That's pretty good. That's pretty good sucking up isn't it that was a good quote. I got one of that so 23:42.800 --> 23:49.280 We split you know, we actually we met a long time ago. What was it 15 years ago, maybe now? That's too long 23:49.280 --> 23:51.280 Was a 93 I think 23:52.480 --> 23:54.480 14 years ago 23:54.480 --> 24:00.720 Cnet's formed yeah, it was 92 or 93 could have been 15 but I think it's 14 because you know, we were both on the original 24:01.680 --> 24:07.200 Staff of the scene if the phenomenon which it was only it was a cable channel at the time 24:07.200 --> 24:10.240 They didn't in fact I registered seen that dot com for them. Oh 24:10.720 --> 24:13.440 Did you now yeah for haulsie and 24:13.440 --> 24:18.560 Shellbee and in fact I hosted their email for I don't it must have been half a year or something like that 24:18.560 --> 24:20.400 Yeah, you know that I don't think the I don't want to 24:21.120 --> 24:26.960 Talk out of school here, but you know, I don't think the public generally realizes what a geeky nerd you really 24:29.280 --> 24:30.960 Let me ask you a question John 24:30.960 --> 24:33.680 You know, they made an offer to me at the time to 24:34.560 --> 24:37.920 You know to move out to San Francisco and work for Cnet 24:38.080 --> 24:39.920 Which would have been a very substantial 24:41.040 --> 24:44.560 Change of life for me. Oh although I I really was tempted by it 24:44.560 --> 24:49.120 There are a number of reasons why I wasn't going to leave and wasn't going to do it, but the deal they offered 24:50.160 --> 24:54.560 Which was you know a reasonable money to do it. It was they are so still some risk 24:54.560 --> 24:57.600 But there was like a whole shit load of options 24:58.560 --> 25:06.080 Yeah, and I was just wondering if if the deal that you could you did launch with him you launched with the channel I believe and you were there for 25:06.240 --> 25:08.240 God knows how long 25:08.240 --> 25:13.360 And then you know, did you ever make any money off of that to those options? I mean was that a a good set up? 25:13.360 --> 25:19.280 I was actually a I never took the there's a couple deals that were offered to me 25:20.240 --> 25:28.720 And the deal I took was kind of a was unless I didn't want to really throw everything at those guys because I wasn't like a big fan necessarily of 25:29.600 --> 25:31.600 See halls he had came up with his initial 25:32.000 --> 25:38.080 schemes were to do a interactive TV play which was something it was dying and they kind of just stumble onto the internet 25:38.800 --> 25:43.600 After the fact and it was and it wasn't until actually then I didn't actually refuse to do a deal with it 25:43.600 --> 25:47.920 Right at the bat when you were still talking to him. I was done and then when they brought in Kevin Wendell 25:47.920 --> 25:52.160 Oh right talk they talked to me into doing some workform and so I did some stuff there 25:52.160 --> 26:00.000 But it never you know I got some options. I never but I didn't make the kind of I mean I if I had jumped in when Wendell came on 26:00.320 --> 26:03.600 I would have done pretty well for myself 26:03.600 --> 26:07.920 I did I made some money. Let's put it that way but I didn't make the kind of money that Richard Hart made 26:07.920 --> 26:15.600 Who's the guy who took your place crack and Richard Hart is retired now and doesn't apparently doesn't do anything 26:16.560 --> 26:18.560 Last time I saw him was in a theater 26:18.560 --> 26:21.040 He was sitting there was a full beard 26:21.040 --> 26:22.560 He didn't you couldn't recognize him 26:22.560 --> 26:25.120 I mean I didn't I don't want to say look like a bomb 26:25.680 --> 26:29.760 But that's funny. You look better. Let's put it that way. So I think you did well 26:30.240 --> 26:33.920 But you know it was a pretty risky situation at the time they did great 26:33.920 --> 26:37.120 I actually should I could have probably pushed myself into a really 26:37.760 --> 26:39.760 Important job there and 26:39.760 --> 26:46.160 Then I would be retired myself, but yeah, you know, I'm not like I'm starving to death. Let's face it now and 26:48.160 --> 26:51.440 The other question that is just popping up everywhere 26:52.080 --> 26:55.040 Is does this mean he'll no longer be on twit 26:56.880 --> 26:59.200 Yeah, it's funny people like the you know the twit thing is 27:00.400 --> 27:05.280 I don't know what these guys are like twit is like some sort of a weird phenomenon. It's a kind of a call 27:06.000 --> 27:11.920 It's a cult showing with the huge following. No, I'm still doing twit. I mean twit consists for me 27:11.920 --> 27:17.040 I mean I actually actually do some work here at Pocho. I got to like you know produce a page and do stuff 27:17.520 --> 27:23.280 Oh, oh god damn page. Well, actually I have to say well, no, no, but I'm bringing some other people on board 27:23.280 --> 27:29.280 So it's not going to be like I'm just sitting around doing nothing but with twit it's basically I you know pick up the the 27:30.320 --> 27:37.760 Skype thing on a on a weekly basis. I've already done the work because it's what I do normally and I just sit there and shoot the crap with these 27:38.080 --> 27:41.680 With the other guys who haven't even on the show. It's not like it's not like a job 27:42.560 --> 27:48.080 So there's no reason for me not to keep doing it and well, it's it's a whole competitive thing 27:48.080 --> 27:52.400 You know people believe that people don't know what to believe but not at zero sum yet 27:52.400 --> 27:56.320 I mean I don't I don't understand that completely because I'll go although you 27:57.040 --> 28:01.440 We're chiding me earlier. We had for people out there. We had a chat earlier about 28:02.400 --> 28:05.120 Robert Skobel who works for a competitor and 28:05.760 --> 28:10.880 I said I don't think he's ever gonna mention that I'm over here because I don't think this competitor who you if you notice 28:10.960 --> 28:17.280 I'm not saying they're names, but I'll say it pot time tech. Yeah, they are I think they play zero sum which is the you know the game 28:17.280 --> 28:22.400 We're saying well, you know if we say something about them they're gonna take our business away when in fact 28:22.400 --> 28:24.400 We're not at the point 28:24.400 --> 28:26.400 in this industry 28:26.400 --> 28:27.360 for any 28:27.360 --> 28:29.360 for years where 28:29.360 --> 28:36.320 You know everything is accumulative in other words if I plug somebody they plug maybe it's not like it's not like for example at pot show 28:37.280 --> 28:39.840 I'll be doing some news drops, but you know 28:39.840 --> 28:47.760 Cali does news news kind of and Natalie does news kind of but it's not like any one of us is gonna take any business away from the other 28:48.160 --> 28:54.000 Yeah, because you know and it's not gonna be that way with one company competing with another for maybe ten years 28:54.000 --> 28:55.600 I mean at some point yes 28:55.600 --> 29:01.160 That's gonna happen, but it's not happening now because there's distilled growing what are you gonna do that's gonna be different 29:01.160 --> 29:04.600 John because that's kind of what our great press release says 29:05.400 --> 29:07.640 Yeah, when you hear it you'll see what's different about it 29:07.960 --> 29:12.920 It's gonna be a little it's gonna be a podcast, you know, I've been thinking about this by the way because it's like something you're 29:13.240 --> 29:15.960 Want to know and uh, you know pod I mean just 29:17.160 --> 29:21.400 Reading news is one thing, but having kind of a really just kind of an extreme pod 29:22.440 --> 29:23.800 The pod 29:23.800 --> 29:27.720 Community right now the podcast in community they don't 29:28.360 --> 29:32.280 It's just it's a little more experimental than what you would get from 29:34.280 --> 29:37.720 Standard radio because everything's been coming homogenized and and 29:38.760 --> 29:44.760 Maybe ruin by some of these large corporations that have taken over major media and which is typical in the death throws 29:45.720 --> 29:47.720 Yeah, that's right, but 29:48.040 --> 29:50.200 You know the pod thing is so much 29:50.200 --> 29:53.960 Weirder because you can I mean if you watch like Cali show for example 29:54.920 --> 29:56.920 Geek brief you see 29:56.920 --> 30:01.080 You know, it's it's a very unusual kind of thing that would never be on broadcast TV yet 30:01.080 --> 30:07.080 Although that woman who did the rocket boom a man to condon went and actually went to to 30:07.880 --> 30:12.680 Major media. She's like I think she's with ABC now and she does some some podding 30:13.400 --> 30:18.120 Well, isn't she supposed to also be like a segment host for 30:19.080 --> 30:24.600 For one of their cable properties. I don't know what don't they have a case? Yeah, it's something like I mean I've seen but hey 30:24.600 --> 30:29.560 Well, she's got a bunch of jobs. She's supposed to be doing over there, but the fact of the matter is you know 30:29.560 --> 30:31.560 These major media guys 30:31.560 --> 30:39.320 I think are largely clueless about any of it and and so they they're gonna just ruin her the way I see it and 30:39.720 --> 30:41.720 Should we go save her is it worth it? 30:41.720 --> 30:44.760 Well, you know, I think that she would fit in 30:45.240 --> 30:49.880 I mean she's and she's you know, there's a thing I have to say this and I just kind of embarrassing to do this because I 30:50.200 --> 30:52.040 Written for you know 30:52.040 --> 30:59.400 wide range of publishing the vehicles as it were and the thing is I used to do some of my best work 31:00.040 --> 31:02.040 at a low pay 31:02.040 --> 31:08.520 Regional distribution publication that was actually free called micro times and it wasn't because it was 31:09.480 --> 31:15.240 You know finally tuned writing that was heavily edited and and made to be super slick 31:15.240 --> 31:23.400 It's because nobody cared enough because they were getting me so cheap to say anything about what I was doing and so I would do very 31:23.640 --> 31:26.520 Experimental stuff and it was some of it 31:26.520 --> 31:33.000 It's actually holds up. I've reprinted a few things on the one not as much as I showed over at the devorect.org slash blog 31:33.960 --> 31:39.000 Site but I'm going to eventually put some of this stuff up and I you know, I've had I did like 31:39.480 --> 31:45.400 You know scripts. I put us phony scripts up and and strange poems and all kinds of weird stuff 31:45.400 --> 31:51.480 They got a lot of play and I always find it the one of the most interesting experiences experiences I had once is that 31:52.920 --> 31:57.000 You do experimental stuff that works and then people who are mainstream 31:57.000 --> 32:00.840 They want you to do that for them and so the situation occurred 32:00.920 --> 32:03.880 I was writing for PC computing which is of you know was a high-end 32:05.400 --> 32:09.400 Prestigious publication at the time and I had sent them a piece 32:10.040 --> 32:14.360 That was because they're always saying why don't you give us more stuff like you're doing over there 32:14.760 --> 32:18.280 And so I sent them an experimental piece that was really an interesting 32:18.840 --> 32:22.840 Kind of a strange dream sequence article and 32:24.200 --> 32:26.200 They kicked it back which is 32:26.200 --> 32:30.520 It happens once in a while everybody and it's now this is kind of weird. I don't know what we're gonna do 32:30.520 --> 32:34.840 I don't know what can you do is give us a regular column so I get a game a regular thing 32:34.840 --> 32:39.320 And so I gave that dirt that that other piece right to micro times which was the outlet 32:39.320 --> 32:41.800 I was using and they went and told me we love it 32:42.360 --> 32:48.520 Well, they they wouldn't say that because they just ran everything but they ran it and the kicker was is that the editor 32:49.000 --> 32:54.840 For PC computing calls me up about the micro times piece and says why don't you give us stuff like that? 32:56.840 --> 33:00.440 Typical so typical so do we get the micro time 33:00.520 --> 33:05.640 Stuff for do we get the the the the PC CIO magazine stuff it depends 33:06.840 --> 33:08.920 I'm gonna give you the micro time stuff 33:08.920 --> 33:12.440 But we'll see what you whether you like it or not, but no you're gonna get some I mean 33:13.000 --> 33:16.120 One of the things I'm gonna be doing over there besides my own material 33:16.120 --> 33:20.520 I'm gonna do that five minute thing and then I'm gonna try to do some some longer pieces that run 33:21.320 --> 33:24.200 On occasion, you know we're getting some other we're gonna get 33:24.600 --> 33:27.400 I'd like to get people out there who are interested in doing tech 33:28.280 --> 33:30.600 Analysis or they want to do podcast 33:30.600 --> 33:34.040 You know, they should definitely check out the pod show sites and 33:34.520 --> 33:39.320 Put up something or just get a hold of me or if somebody's doing and I'm actually looking at every 33:39.720 --> 33:47.720 Tech podcast or listening though my guests mostly every tech podcast out there now and there's there's stuff already that that we can bring on 33:48.280 --> 33:53.080 To to live and things up. There's a lot of good stuff. There's a lot of good stuff up. There's a lot of crummy stuff 33:54.040 --> 33:56.040 You know, it's really like going through 33:56.440 --> 33:59.240 Unsolicited manuscripts to find the good stuff, but but it's 34:00.280 --> 34:03.320 There's a lot of stuff. It's amazing. Well, we got reacquainted after 34:04.120 --> 34:06.600 I appeared on cranky geeks and I think we'd probably 34:07.160 --> 34:11.160 Pingly each other back and forth once or twice over over the 15 years 34:11.640 --> 34:16.680 Well, you got real you got here's what happened you got some happened with you some years ago 34:16.680 --> 34:20.680 You got really rich and so then you just kind of kicked away everybody else 34:21.240 --> 34:25.720 This happens to anybody makes a lot of money. They they step on everybody under him 34:27.560 --> 34:29.560 Okay, I hope it hurt 34:29.880 --> 34:32.200 I did out my ear is still swollen 34:33.480 --> 34:39.000 Did you ever receive any offers from anyone to do something like this? I mean 34:40.280 --> 34:42.280 I have to believe that there were 34:42.840 --> 34:47.480 Certainly a pod tech or someone must have said you know, do you want a pod tech now no pod tech would never do 34:47.480 --> 34:50.120 There there there I don't think they have the insight 34:51.240 --> 34:55.240 I hate to tell you this Adam, but you know, you're actually in the forefront of this whole thing 34:55.720 --> 34:56.760 not 34:56.760 --> 35:00.520 Give it ask me to do stuff, but just in the whole pod scene 35:01.480 --> 35:05.160 It's it's it's it's but generally scatterbrained right now 35:05.160 --> 35:09.960 I think it's it's has not coalesced in any way shape or format set for about four companies 35:10.600 --> 35:14.840 The other guys are like little mini networks like rev three and these other people who you know 35:14.840 --> 35:18.200 Just produce a lot of little shows that are you know 35:18.840 --> 35:20.840 Interesting and 35:20.840 --> 35:29.080 It's this is I when I got on board with you guys I was thinking to myself this is I'm one of the few times where I'm early in 35:30.040 --> 35:32.520 Because I think that this is the ten years from now 35:33.080 --> 35:35.000 I think almost everything is gonna be done through this 35:35.560 --> 35:39.240 Mechanism I mean you already seeing it the big networks are freaked out about it 35:39.240 --> 35:44.760 They're looking for alternatives or IP TV you know I got kind of jacked up about IP TV 35:44.760 --> 35:50.040 Which by the way, I think is one of the reasons like I jumped on board really fast because I'm all over that 35:50.040 --> 35:53.320 You saw this and you and you've seen our IP TV interface, right? 35:54.120 --> 35:56.120 Yeah a little bit 35:56.120 --> 35:59.160 Wait man, I had a big you haven't seen the whole Chris hasn't given you the whole demo 36:00.120 --> 36:05.240 You know, I haven't seen the whole thing because I'm really right now just completely preoccupied with audio 36:05.240 --> 36:11.240 Okay, all right, which by the way I have to say I love I really when you when you when you when we first talking and 36:11.320 --> 36:16.920 And you know, because you do cranky geeks, which you know, I think has great appeal as the type of program that it is 36:17.320 --> 36:23.960 But I was really happy to hear that you would do audio and daily, which is a big deal. No audio audio is the right now 36:23.960 --> 36:29.640 I don't see anything. I mean the video thing is cool. I agree and I think and I'm a big and like I said 36:29.640 --> 36:35.320 I'm a huge fan of IP TV real IP TV where everything's distributed on the internet. You don't have you don't have antennas anymore 36:36.840 --> 36:39.080 You know like there now there's a new thing called IP 36:40.040 --> 36:47.320 B and or some interface or a internet protocol broadcast networks and isn't there a 36:48.840 --> 36:54.600 A couple of companies are trying to pull together and consortium to build an open source and 36:55.320 --> 36:57.720 Open standard IP TV 36:58.280 --> 37:03.400 Spec or platform or something of this name a couple is a bunch of these things showing at mostly by the way 37:03.800 --> 37:10.040 Here because the internet actually IP TVs already moving way. I mean they're it's on its way. I have a website 37:10.600 --> 37:13.400 called IP TV daily, which is a scraper 37:15.160 --> 37:20.280 And it I've been up for years and it's like essentially it's a huge database of news stories 37:20.680 --> 37:23.160 And the thing about it is that the number I have 37:23.720 --> 37:29.640 Try to put the scraper together for a number of specialist subjects because I need these for my own data for my own purposes 37:29.960 --> 37:32.680 So I you know if I'm going to do it as a website and 37:34.200 --> 37:37.560 The number of stories that come across on a daily basis 37:37.880 --> 37:43.960 It's just astonishing about IP TV in general. You mean yeah, it's just a huge business that's gonna 37:43.960 --> 37:48.440 When it hits it's gonna be a monster and it's gonna be interesting to see what works and you know 37:49.560 --> 37:53.480 We were at see bit and it was all you know like Microsoft 37:53.480 --> 37:58.120 The IP TV platform. I'm my wife is loud 37:58.440 --> 38:05.240 The Microsoft IP TV platform and everyone kind of had the same thing and now in you know Motorola's gonna have one and and 38:06.120 --> 38:10.920 Nokia's gonna have one everyone's gonna have their own version of what they call IP TV 38:11.720 --> 38:17.400 You know Eric's already got one. I mean go to Sweden and this stuff's already in play it in yours Korea 38:17.400 --> 38:22.440 It's just some of these guys these Johnny come late. These are coming on to the scene with trying to you know 38:23.000 --> 38:27.960 Serpent what's already pretty much in play. I mean if you want to follow a company that's on top of all this look for 38:27.960 --> 38:31.960 Menurve and networks. I mean that's the company that really is a dominant force if I was 38:32.920 --> 38:39.560 And if I had any you know money, I didn't invest in them. Hey, John, are you if you don't mind me asking you are a Democrat or Republican 38:40.600 --> 38:47.400 I don't like to say, but let me but let me tell you first I started off as a Democrat because I was a kid 38:47.480 --> 38:54.200 Right in my parents were you know we're working middle class so then I became a Republican and then it because a Carter 38:54.760 --> 38:59.720 It'd be honest about and the fact that I noticed over the years that all the Democrats kept trying to kill me 39:00.280 --> 39:06.680 So then I became a Republican. I stayed a Republican and now I consider myself an independent because I think the Republicans have just 39:07.080 --> 39:08.680 lost control of their own 39:08.680 --> 39:15.560 ideology and so I'm I would consider myself a Republican independent libertarian 39:17.640 --> 39:22.440 Okay, well luckily, I'm just a pothead that makes it much easier to explain. Oh, yeah, that's I can't do that anymore 39:22.840 --> 39:24.840 Oh, you can really for health reasons 39:26.040 --> 39:29.640 No, it's just it's not you know once you get over 39:30.200 --> 39:32.040 24 39:32.040 --> 39:34.040 Fuck you 39:34.760 --> 39:36.760 Only 24 yeah, thanks 39:36.760 --> 39:41.000 John, I'm really well, I've already had fun working with you. I'm really looking forward to 39:41.960 --> 39:46.600 What's coming and working with you? I hope certainly that you when you will remain 39:48.200 --> 39:53.880 Genetic self by being critical of our company and you know what we've already discussed a lot about the site 39:54.200 --> 39:57.960 You know stuff that you know, I can't find anything wrong with the company 39:59.800 --> 40:04.680 I love that you know the funny thing is is that you know the one of the other reasons that you know the company is cool 40:04.680 --> 40:11.640 And people that don't realize how big this company actually is but you really have put together a lot of really cool guys 40:11.640 --> 40:15.640 There's a lot of people there. They're all enthusiastic. They're all you know 40:15.720 --> 40:19.800 Reminds me of like you went into magazines once in a while where it's a computer magazine 40:19.800 --> 40:22.520 And there's like people running the magazine that don't like computing 40:23.960 --> 40:25.960 I'm sorry to God and it's like what are you thinking 40:26.840 --> 40:31.160 And because you know if you work for a week for example you have to know how to fly a plane 40:31.560 --> 40:33.560 Yeah, that would be kind of a good idea 40:33.560 --> 40:37.560 Yeah, because you don't want people writing about aviation and they don't even know how to fly a plane 40:38.040 --> 40:41.080 So that they'd be a night that but you should be an enthusiast which is the cool thing 40:41.080 --> 40:42.520 And that's what you should be with a computer magazine 40:42.600 --> 40:49.480 But everybody at Pod Show is an enthusiast to an extreme and most of them have like I mean a lot of these guys 40:49.480 --> 40:51.960 You're talking to them and it's like they got two or three or five 40:52.680 --> 40:57.880 Podcasts that they do themselves on all kinds of weird stuff. It's a pretty pretty amazing group of guys 40:57.880 --> 41:01.640 Yeah, I think well and most people would say is why do you know those people? 41:02.200 --> 41:06.120 And by the way, I shouldn't say guys guys and girls. Oh, yes for sure for sure 41:06.120 --> 41:08.120 I should even say gals, you know, okay 41:09.080 --> 41:13.960 I mean, I live in the Berkeley area. What can I say? I can't have to be careful with my language. That's quite all right 41:16.040 --> 41:18.920 I got I'm fried man. I'm sorry. I just really wanted to talk to you 41:19.400 --> 41:23.640 Because you know the the press release came out and and and and if anyway, you know 41:23.640 --> 41:26.680 I'd love to do some kind of show that is specifically 41:27.320 --> 41:28.920 Hey, Han 41:28.920 --> 41:32.360 I'm interviewing the sabonth there's sabons could you just close my door for a second? 41:34.520 --> 41:36.520 Could you just close my door for a second, please? 41:38.600 --> 41:41.800 Like she slammed it. I don't think she'll screw in 41:47.800 --> 41:49.800 Nicely I thought 41:52.280 --> 42:00.600 Fuck was I gonna say you're talking about your you're glad to see on board. Yeah, exactly. No, but I really am and and I hope you you know continue to 42:01.160 --> 42:06.440 You know to be you and help us with all these other areas and I'd like to be a part of the technology 42:06.440 --> 42:09.080 Potcho tech channel with some kind of show somehow 42:10.120 --> 42:16.840 Hey, let's we should do some sort of some talk shows or something. I don't want to you and I just talk and just I don't know that would be like to it 42:16.840 --> 42:18.840 I'm sorry. We can't do that 42:19.720 --> 42:24.360 Actually wouldn't be like to it because the twit no it wouldn't be different because you're different than it would be 42:24.360 --> 42:27.720 Twit and twot is what it would be. They'll be kind of fun. That's watch show the twatch 42:28.680 --> 42:30.680 Okay 42:30.680 --> 42:32.680 Oh 42:32.680 --> 42:36.120 We what we need to what you need get some I don't know. We'll come up with something 42:36.120 --> 42:39.720 I'm sure because there's you know because we have so much time on our hands 42:39.960 --> 42:45.160 Well, of course the thing that I hate I hate this with the passion and you know Ron and I were in Germany and kind of had our 42:45.640 --> 42:50.120 Our backstone and everyone and you're right everyone of course is extremely enthusiastic 42:51.000 --> 42:55.080 But you know, so there's like nothing to go to so we have the news is out and you know 42:55.160 --> 43:00.200 There's this press release which is about all we have which of course. It's great someone's thinking we're getting the pieces working together 43:00.200 --> 43:04.680 But you know we haven't you know gotten the you know the the page up yet for a site 43:04.920 --> 43:09.160 You want to tell them tell everyone just what what's gonna happen next and what time frame you think 43:09.640 --> 43:11.240 Yeah, I think next week 43:11.240 --> 43:14.520 We've got the page design. I've got the show kind of figured out 43:15.480 --> 43:21.000 Next week we should start having a show on and unfortunately the U.S. we have a holiday on Monday 43:21.960 --> 43:26.760 We have these holidays once in a while. It's a bank holiday in the UK as well interestingly 43:26.760 --> 43:30.920 You know really what what what what is the holiday there? I don't know it's well 43:31.480 --> 43:36.760 It's strange here, you know, they don't always tell you what the holiday is it's just a bank holiday by the way 43:36.760 --> 43:40.600 And the UK and Canada is boxing day for years and years 43:40.600 --> 43:45.480 I can't say why did they celebrate boxing in those countries for just to take a holiday for boxing? 43:46.120 --> 43:50.280 I don't even have that any good boxers. You're kidding me, right, right? You don't really know that 43:51.000 --> 43:56.200 For years. I was thinking they don't get any good boxers in these countries. Why are they celebrating boxing day? 43:56.440 --> 43:58.920 I haven't so such a hard time believing that 43:59.640 --> 44:04.600 And so I find out it's like boxing day for thinking box stuff. I'll be gonna take back 44:04.600 --> 44:06.840 I mean what kind of a holiday is that oh, man 44:07.400 --> 44:10.200 Anyway, yeah, no, that is the day after Christmas here 44:10.920 --> 44:15.560 Right, yeah, so day you take your box stuff up and take it back believe me. So 44:16.200 --> 44:20.120 Anyway, the so we're gonna have a we'll have the thing going. I want people to subscribe to it 44:20.120 --> 44:26.680 It is it'd be perfect for the drive the daily drive to work. You'll get the tech news the with you know the 44:27.240 --> 44:29.240 kind with snide comments 44:30.120 --> 44:32.280 Probably I can just say hey 44:32.280 --> 44:34.280 I live we got a new format 44:34.440 --> 44:35.640 It's 44:35.640 --> 44:37.640 What is angry guy? 44:37.640 --> 44:39.640 Tech news snide comments 44:40.280 --> 44:42.360 Yeah, well, there'll be more than that but the 44:42.920 --> 44:45.320 It'll develop to because I'm not gonna you know, I'm gonna 44:46.040 --> 44:48.280 I'm gonna develop the thing so it changes 44:48.840 --> 44:54.440 It morphs into whatever people really want it to be but it's gonna be you know, it'll be it'll be valuable for anyone 44:54.440 --> 44:58.920 In fact, I mean we have that the tag line is you know, probably the most important five minutes of your life 45:00.040 --> 45:02.760 I like that. I do like that. It could be 45:03.880 --> 45:10.120 The channel concept which I don't want to try even attempt to explain because it's like explaining Tvo and when you just use it 45:10.600 --> 45:12.120 You get it 45:12.120 --> 45:16.280 How are you what are you gonna do with that? I mean what would you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna set up. I'm gonna set up a 45:16.280 --> 45:20.760 Manish of them. I set up five channels. I've been exploring what to put in them 45:22.440 --> 45:26.520 And the channel concept that Potcho which is another reason I thought it would be worthwhile 45:27.160 --> 45:32.200 Working for you guys is really some note of genius in terms of commercializing 45:32.840 --> 45:36.760 the usage of this technology for people who drive you know who use 45:37.480 --> 45:43.800 MP3 players or or iPods or whatever and they like to do these RSS downloads with the audio attached 45:44.200 --> 45:47.240 The idea with the channel is that you can take a 45:47.800 --> 45:51.080 A series of shows and wrap them in one RSS feed 45:51.480 --> 45:55.800 So the user can just click on that one thing and then they get this entire 45:56.360 --> 45:58.360 Channel full of material and 45:59.400 --> 46:04.120 Which could be you know two shows ten shows a hundred shows. I mean obviously you don't want that many but 46:04.600 --> 46:09.720 You know, I'm thinking in terms of like ten or twenty maybe and what I want to do is I want to set up 46:09.720 --> 46:13.240 Chancellor people who you know they're more a little more specializing just listening to the news 46:13.240 --> 46:17.080 Most of these channels by the way will have my news cast because it seems silly not to 46:17.480 --> 46:23.320 But I want to put together like a kind of a light channel of shows that people like to listen to that aren't really you know 46:23.320 --> 46:25.320 They're they're the longer format shows like 46:25.640 --> 46:33.240 Your show for example daily source code. Mm-hmm. It's a longer format now light show that people like to listen to it's very entertaining 46:34.200 --> 46:41.720 You know it would be geek briefs would be in there probably she might actually get in a couple spots and and and some of these other shows some other vendors 46:41.720 --> 46:45.000 That have useful shows that are long formats 46:45.240 --> 46:50.920 There'd be a kind of just a pure new show that has nothing but just all the new shows stacked up there'd be the one 46:50.920 --> 46:56.360 I'm having the most difficulty with is the IT channel, which is nothing but IT shows literally 46:56.920 --> 47:02.200 Shows done by IT professionals for IT people. There's not going to be the most interesting of the group 47:02.360 --> 47:07.960 But I can suspect that people that are in IT that have to commute to work will listen to this thing 47:07.960 --> 47:12.680 Because that's you know, you want to know what the everyone's doing then I want to my favorite one 47:12.680 --> 47:18.920 And now I do a gaming channel and then I would the one that I you know, I think that might some people might kind of get into 47:18.920 --> 47:24.280 Is kind of the thorax favorites, which is which is not going to be just computer stuff. It's going to be what I think 47:24.280 --> 47:28.360 You know, there's going to be some there might be a national geographic podcast or maybe 47:28.840 --> 47:35.800 Local podcast okay and tucky and but you know, I'd be like my news of course and then may I might have John Madden's 47:35.800 --> 47:37.800 Yeah, of course John Madden's 47:38.120 --> 47:45.160 KCBA John Madden's got this great show. He does locally on the radio that they podcasted I think and I would put that in there for sure 47:45.160 --> 47:48.120 Because it's really funny and people who don't like sports by the way 47:48.120 --> 47:53.800 I won't like this channel because I'm kind of a sports nut as you discover when my phone accidentally called you 47:54.200 --> 47:57.640 And I'm driving around when you're listening to that room guy was that what it was? 47:57.720 --> 48:03.960 Jim Rome is the best yeah because yeah, you but phone me like three times today and hey, you know what it was I 48:03.960 --> 48:09.000 Sitting on the other thing is bouncing around on the seat and it called you and then you caught me listening to Jim 48:09.000 --> 48:12.200 Rome or one of the other sports talk. It's embarrassing 48:12.920 --> 48:14.440 To the fact that I listen to this stuff 48:14.440 --> 48:21.240 But I tell you the truth Jim Rome to me is one of the greatest broadcasters that we've seen in this country for decades 48:22.680 --> 48:27.080 And for a lot of different reasons it's not just because he's he's very entertaining 48:27.400 --> 48:29.640 He has a style that's very distinctive 48:29.880 --> 48:33.640 He has a following. He doesn't you know, you don't seem at Hollywood parties 48:33.640 --> 48:37.880 He just does his own thing. He's got his own little world around him and he does this so well 48:38.120 --> 48:40.120 He's of course making millions of dollars, but 48:40.840 --> 48:45.640 It's like really you know when I first turned my thought it was like, who what? Who is this maniac? 48:45.640 --> 48:51.080 This is the weirdest shot I've ever heard because he's actually developed his own language. Is he but he's he's syndicated? 48:52.200 --> 48:55.480 He's on one of those huge radio syndication systems. Okay 48:56.040 --> 48:58.680 John John oh the premier 48:58.920 --> 49:02.040 Radio network is that what it is. Yeah, one day we'll go get him 49:03.240 --> 49:09.160 Hey, you know what he needs to be podcasting more because right now they have you could pick up some of his material 49:09.160 --> 49:13.960 But he he charges and it's a it's an awkward situation. It's not the same 49:14.520 --> 49:20.120 Yeah, he'd be ideal actually his show is this is just but anyways good drive time stuff for me 49:20.120 --> 49:25.480 But although I'm gonna probably get that my card doesn't have that cool connection where you can 49:26.920 --> 49:28.920 Jack in your iPod 49:28.920 --> 49:35.640 Yeah, I had a new car. I got a new car. Well now you're working for pod show boy. We got we got a we got a lot three years 49:35.640 --> 49:37.640 I'll be able to get a new car 49:38.600 --> 49:40.600 On on layaway 49:41.880 --> 49:46.520 All right, John man, that was a that was actually a longer chat that I intended but I really appreciated 49:46.600 --> 49:50.840 I'm a talkative guy now, but that's groovy man, so we'll look forward some time next week and 49:51.560 --> 49:54.600 You know anytime we can you know shoot the breeze on on my show 49:55.320 --> 49:57.560 You could do this is a two-parter 49:58.200 --> 50:00.200 Fuck that you know I don't like that 50:00.520 --> 50:02.520 You know you're a dick 50:04.280 --> 50:08.840 Seriously John it's gonna be a lot of fun for sure. All right, I hope to see you out here soon when you get out of 50:09.400 --> 50:14.680 Really get out to the coast again. Yeah out of out of Germany and and like you do Germany is gonna love you by the way 50:15.320 --> 50:20.600 Doc, yeah, I glass I glass couldn't talk that's a good yeah couldn't talk head walk 50:21.800 --> 50:25.640 All right, John. I'll see you around the office and we'll talk later. I use okay. Thanks 50:27.160 --> 50:28.440 There you go 50:28.440 --> 50:29.960 John C 50:29.960 --> 50:31.160 Devorac 50:31.160 --> 50:33.800 So I hope most of the initial questions were answered 50:33.800 --> 50:37.000 I think it's very interesting to see this response and 50:37.480 --> 50:38.760 So it looks like 50:38.760 --> 50:44.280 Next week everything's gonna start kicking off. All right. I just I have to go to bed. I'm sorry. I just I have no more 50:44.760 --> 50:46.760 Happening to me a moody 50:47.400 --> 50:52.920 Data source code dot com is where you can find uh, it was not a lot of links of course to the the song today. Oh 50:53.880 --> 50:55.880 And if you 50:55.880 --> 50:58.520 Thought that discussion between John and I was boring 50:59.800 --> 51:04.360 But I didn't help you completely fall asleep. Try a tyrant opn 51:05.800 --> 51:09.800 Who sponsored angb's unwind online dot patcho dot com 51:10.680 --> 51:14.360 Adam at patcho dot com if you want to send it any comments and 51:14.680 --> 51:17.240 I will be looking forward to talking to you tomorrow 51:17.880 --> 51:19.880 Another maximum music football Friday 51:20.600 --> 51:22.600 See you then