WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.680 Hey, this is Trucker Tom from TruckerTomPodcast.com, PodShow needs you to help us suck less. 00:07.680 --> 00:12.480 Just go to suckless.podshow.com for complete details. 00:15.120 --> 00:17.120 You're Adam, installing. 00:17.120 --> 00:21.360 You'll, for the DSC-617, I got to set the record straight. 00:21.360 --> 00:24.320 You was talking about the ending of the sopranos, well, 00:24.800 --> 00:29.680 it seems that my nephew at water has stolen the ending to the sopranos. 00:30.800 --> 00:35.600 That's all worry about it. We're going to get it back. I got a baseball bat with his name on it. 00:35.600 --> 00:39.840 I got a bunch of the boys. We're going to hunt them down and get back the ending, but 00:40.480 --> 00:46.320 yeah, I was like you. I didn't know what was going on. I was in the backyard trying to adjust the 00:46.320 --> 00:52.160 satellite dish because I thought I had lost my satellite, but not water stole the ending of the 00:52.160 --> 00:59.120 sopranos, because nobody in the right mind would end a show like that. So anyway, on the DSC-617, 00:59.120 --> 01:03.920 let everybody know that we'll get the ending back and let everyone to sopranos fans 01:03.920 --> 01:07.360 will be satisfied. Capiche. Hi. 01:21.250 --> 04:32.000 [ Music ] 04:32.000 --> 04:36.000 Yeah. 04:36.000 --> 04:42.000 That's the one. 04:42.000 --> 04:44.000 This is it. 04:44.000 --> 04:46.000 It's the one-off song from the summer. 04:46.000 --> 04:48.000 We heard it here. 04:48.000 --> 04:50.000 I'm in the name of the source code. 04:50.000 --> 04:52.000 Aren't you happy? 04:52.000 --> 04:54.000 Yeah. 04:54.000 --> 04:56.000 Yeah. 04:56.000 --> 05:00.000 It's Koopa from the Pate Music Network. 05:00.000 --> 05:02.000 It's another one of those Nigel Specials. 05:02.000 --> 05:04.000 We've been bringing us all kinds of awesome music. 05:04.000 --> 05:06.000 Bring it on to the Pate Music Network. 05:06.000 --> 05:10.000 I just clicked on a link off of one of its weekly emails. 05:10.000 --> 05:14.000 You sent them out to a whole bunch of podcasts. 05:14.000 --> 05:16.000 No idea. 05:16.000 --> 05:18.000 I have no idea what he's doing. 05:18.000 --> 05:20.000 I got to interview this guy. 05:20.000 --> 05:22.000 That's for a future daily source code. 05:22.000 --> 05:28.000 Today was episode number 617 coming to you from the curry condo in San Francisco, Northern California. 05:28.000 --> 05:30.000 How are you doing? 05:30.000 --> 05:31.000 Wow. 05:31.000 --> 05:32.000 What a day. 05:32.000 --> 05:36.000 First of all, to be in the office and to be working with everybody. 05:36.000 --> 05:37.000 A lot of new faces. 05:37.000 --> 05:39.000 At least new faces to me. 05:39.000 --> 05:41.000 The place is jammed. 05:41.000 --> 05:43.000 We have two offices now. 05:43.000 --> 05:48.000 Actually, I think we're very close to signing a lease on a new space. 05:48.000 --> 05:51.000 But this is this non-smoking thing. 05:51.000 --> 05:55.000 For some reason, I've been completely energized. 05:55.000 --> 05:57.000 And today was a really, really good day. 05:57.000 --> 06:02.000 And I'd like to start with the end of the day first to tell you that I got really excited 06:02.000 --> 06:05.000 by the keynote, the Steve Jobs keynote that he did here. 06:05.000 --> 06:10.000 As I told you yesterday, and you probably know, the Apple worldwide developer conference 06:10.000 --> 06:12.000 is being held here in San Francisco. 06:12.000 --> 06:15.000 So the place is crawling with macheads. 06:15.000 --> 06:20.000 And as we've come to expect from Steve, he did a keynote. 06:20.000 --> 06:23.000 Now, this, of course, a little more technically oriented. 06:23.000 --> 06:26.000 Although, still pretty consumer-ish, I would have to say. 06:26.000 --> 06:33.000 Showing new features and, you know, of the mac and, I mean, you have, if you are, obviously, 06:33.000 --> 06:36.000 if you're a machead, you probably already watched this thing. 06:36.000 --> 06:38.000 You might have even watched it live. 06:38.000 --> 06:39.000 Now, you have to see this. 06:39.000 --> 06:42.000 I got to tell you, I've got major wood for leopard. 06:42.000 --> 06:43.000 Okay. 06:43.000 --> 06:44.000 I'm just horny for this thing. 06:44.000 --> 06:48.000 The way Steve Jobs presents that stuff. 06:48.000 --> 06:49.000 Yeah. 06:49.000 --> 06:51.000 And there's all, it's just, there's cool, cool features. 06:51.000 --> 06:55.000 And I'm sure by the time leopard comes out, there'll be a new faster 06:55.000 --> 06:56.000 max to run it on. 06:56.000 --> 07:00.000 And, you know, we'll be able to take advantage of the 64-bit architecture. 07:00.000 --> 07:05.000 I mean, all the stuff that just, I have to make, it gives me really, really excited. 07:05.000 --> 07:10.000 And my via was just sitting there, you know, with its melted alt key from some 07:10.000 --> 07:13.000 debris burning debris that fell on it. 07:13.000 --> 07:18.000 It's just kind of sitting there going, you, you thinking about their women. 07:18.000 --> 07:22.000 And I have to admit, I'm thinking of a woman, her name is leopard. 07:22.000 --> 07:24.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 07:24.000 --> 07:32.000 And interesting move there by, by Apple to enable development on the iPhone by essentially 07:32.000 --> 07:35.000 saying, hey, you know, you can pretty much do anything you want. 07:35.000 --> 07:40.000 You can access all the functions of the forthcoming iPhone without having to, you know, 07:40.000 --> 07:42.000 actually load an application onto it. 07:42.000 --> 07:44.000 Just use the Safari browser. 07:44.000 --> 07:47.000 It's the full Safari browser, the Safari engine. 07:47.000 --> 07:51.000 They say, I guess with engine, it means that that engine can tap into, you know, so you could 07:51.000 --> 08:00.000 write an Ajax web 2.0 script or web page to call a number or to access some of the 08:00.000 --> 08:07.000 Google map functionality or G wouldn't be nice if you could do something with it to 08:07.000 --> 08:10.000 access the iPod part. 08:10.000 --> 08:15.000 No mention of that, but it will be really nice for accessing podcasts. 08:15.000 --> 08:19.000 But, you know, so essentially, it's, it's not a bad idea. 08:19.000 --> 08:22.000 And I also kind of thought, hey, you know, what's all this mumbling and grumbling about 08:22.000 --> 08:23.000 developers? 08:23.000 --> 08:27.000 When the iPhone was announced, it's like, oh, it's a close box and no one could develop on 08:27.000 --> 08:28.000 it. 08:28.000 --> 08:31.000 And I'm thinking, you know, all the apps I really need are accessed either through Wi-Fi or 08:31.000 --> 08:36.000 through through the cellular network. 08:36.000 --> 08:42.000 And so I presume that in order to get developers interested, they had to release a version 08:42.000 --> 08:45.000 of the Safari engine for Windows, which they did. 08:45.000 --> 08:46.000 I downloaded it immediately. 08:46.000 --> 08:49.000 I'd say not quite ready for prime time yet. 08:49.000 --> 08:51.000 And with that, I mean, it's incredibly fast. 08:51.000 --> 08:57.000 I have to admit it seems that the test that he showed that it really is faster than Firefox. 08:57.000 --> 09:00.000 But there's a couple of gnarly things in there. 09:00.000 --> 09:03.000 And I'm not, you know, there's no way for me to provide data feedback. 09:03.000 --> 09:06.000 But I'll tell you what's a couple of things are wrong right off the bat. 09:06.000 --> 09:10.000 First of all, sometimes like Google notebook doesn't function with it. 09:10.000 --> 09:12.000 You can click the buttons. 09:12.000 --> 09:15.000 It'll add a new note for you. 09:15.000 --> 09:19.000 When you click in the field, you don't actually see any typing show up. 09:19.000 --> 09:22.000 In fact, checking in other browser, no typing showed up. 09:22.000 --> 09:23.000 No text was entered. 09:23.000 --> 09:25.000 So that's one problem. 09:25.000 --> 09:30.000 In Gmail, when you use that, I can just tab once or twice depending on what field I'm in. 09:30.000 --> 09:35.000 If I'm in the editing field, editing a message or composing a message, just hit the tab. 09:35.000 --> 09:38.000 It's the focus is on send and I just have to hit return. 09:38.000 --> 09:40.000 So I never actually have to use the mouse. 09:40.000 --> 09:41.000 That doesn't work. 09:41.000 --> 09:42.000 That function. 09:42.000 --> 09:44.000 It'll, it'll go to the send button. 09:44.000 --> 09:46.000 But when I hit enter, it doesn't actually. 09:46.000 --> 09:48.000 Maybe I have to hit to something else. 09:48.000 --> 09:51.000 Is there a difference between enter and return in this case? 09:51.000 --> 09:56.000 I don't think I have a, I only have an enter key, which is the return key on my, on my IO. 09:56.000 --> 09:59.000 So anyway, so that's just makes it completely unusable. 09:59.000 --> 10:02.000 No way to import my existing bookmarks. 10:02.000 --> 10:04.000 Sorry, that's not going to fly. 10:05.000 --> 10:09.000 I spend a lot of time on taking those bookmarks exactly what I want them to be. 10:09.000 --> 10:13.000 No plugin for, for the Google notebook. 10:13.000 --> 10:15.000 So no contextual menu. 10:15.000 --> 10:17.000 All stuff that I use is really important. 10:17.000 --> 10:18.000 And I'm sure it'll get there. 10:18.000 --> 10:21.000 But right now, it's just not quite ready for prime time for me. 10:21.000 --> 10:24.000 But still, I want one of them freaking phones too. 10:24.000 --> 10:25.000 I'm sorry. 10:25.000 --> 10:30.000 It's just like, ah, I've won it. 10:31.000 --> 10:32.000 Oh, what is it? 10:32.000 --> 10:33.000 What is it? 10:33.000 --> 10:36.000 God, man, that stuff is so inspiring to me. 10:36.000 --> 10:41.000 And I look at, you know, some of the, some of the jokes he puts into his presentation. 10:41.000 --> 10:43.000 I'm like, wow, man, when you're really cruising, 10:43.000 --> 10:47.000 and you've got awesome products that people just really want and are crying about. 10:47.000 --> 10:49.000 And you can have so much fun. 10:49.000 --> 10:53.000 And I'm, I'm not envious, but I'm just, I'm inspired. 10:53.000 --> 10:55.000 I'm really inspired by that. 10:55.000 --> 10:59.000 And so that with some, some things that happen today, 10:59.000 --> 11:05.000 just, you know, sitting down face to face with, with some folks working on a number of different things. 11:05.000 --> 11:10.000 One of course is is continuing to make podshow.com or we believe it should be. 11:10.000 --> 11:14.000 And we're starting to surface things very, very slowly. 11:14.000 --> 11:21.000 And I've actually, I'd like to involve you in a test if you don't mind as, as listeners to the show. 11:22.000 --> 11:24.000 So we have this channel architecture. 11:24.000 --> 11:26.000 And I, I don't want to go too deep into it right now. 11:26.000 --> 11:31.000 But it's, it is significantly different from any other site out there, 11:31.000 --> 11:32.000 the way they're using channels. 11:32.000 --> 11:38.000 You'll, you've probably noticed if you visit podshow.com that a lot of, 11:38.000 --> 11:41.000 actually, two things have really started to surface almost everywhere. 11:41.000 --> 11:44.000 Play buttons and get buttons. 11:44.000 --> 11:45.000 And they're very distinct now. 11:45.000 --> 11:46.000 You can't miss them. 11:46.000 --> 11:50.000 And, and, you know, please, just see this as a sandbox for right now. 11:50.000 --> 11:54.000 Because things are going to change pretty rapidly over the next couple of weeks. 11:54.000 --> 11:58.000 You're literally going to see podshow.com change before your eyes. 11:58.000 --> 12:04.000 So one of the things that you may not have, you know, quite seen or used yet 12:04.000 --> 12:09.000 is the fact that everything that you find in podshow. 12:09.000 --> 12:11.000 Oh, that was disgusting. Excuse me. 12:11.000 --> 12:14.000 Everything you find in podshow, you can get. 12:14.000 --> 12:19.000 So if you create a channel and let's just, you know, 12:19.000 --> 12:22.000 not even think about what that is, but you get a channel by default. 12:22.000 --> 12:24.000 So you have a default channel in podshow. 12:24.000 --> 12:28.000 When you see a little get button next to a show, 12:28.000 --> 12:32.000 then you click on that and it'll give you a list of all the channels you have available. 12:32.000 --> 12:36.000 If you, if you only have, you never create a new channel, then you just have one default channel. 12:36.000 --> 12:37.000 That's fine. Just use that. 12:37.000 --> 12:39.000 So you can add it to that channel. 12:39.000 --> 12:42.000 And whenever that show updates, 12:42.000 --> 12:44.000 the newest episode will be available in that channel. 12:44.000 --> 12:47.000 So if you go to your channel module, you can hit play channel, 12:47.000 --> 12:49.000 and it'll just kind of play. 12:49.000 --> 12:53.000 Now, all, we have so many amazing features that are completely hidden away, 12:53.000 --> 12:56.000 which, of course, we have to now start surfacing up. 12:56.000 --> 13:02.000 One of those features is that you can put a channel onto a mobile device. 13:02.000 --> 13:04.000 You can do that through an RSS link. 13:04.000 --> 13:07.000 Oh, and actually any other device doesn't have to be mobile. 13:07.000 --> 13:08.000 Well, let's just make it real simple. 13:08.000 --> 13:10.000 You can put it on your iPod. 13:10.000 --> 13:13.000 And as you know, the way to get stuff on the iPod is through iTunes. 13:14.000 --> 13:17.000 So you can create a channel, and I have several of these. 13:17.000 --> 13:20.000 In fact, I don't subscribe to single podcast anymore. 13:20.000 --> 13:23.000 I use, because this is some of the stuff we're talking about today. 13:23.000 --> 13:25.000 Like, you know, what do I really use pod show for? 13:25.000 --> 13:28.000 Well, once in a while, surf around, you know, look for stuff, 13:28.000 --> 13:32.000 or I'll see who is listening to a show and see what else they're listening to. 13:32.000 --> 13:35.000 And of course, if I see someone who just looks hot, I'll click on them. 13:35.000 --> 13:37.000 Just to see what's going on. 13:37.000 --> 13:40.000 But I really use it to manage. 13:40.000 --> 13:44.000 I don't use the iPod at all, practically. 13:44.000 --> 13:48.000 I use my Nokia phone, the E61 India. 13:48.000 --> 13:50.000 And it has a podcasting application in it. 13:50.000 --> 13:55.000 And all I need, basically, is an RSS feed or podcast feed or channel feed, 13:55.000 --> 13:57.000 or just it's a URL. 13:57.000 --> 14:01.000 And I enter that in and up comes my channel. 14:01.000 --> 14:04.000 And it automatically updates on my phone overnight. 14:04.000 --> 14:07.000 And the newest shows episodes, I should say, 14:07.000 --> 14:09.000 of shows that are in each channel appear. 14:09.000 --> 14:12.000 So I have an on the go channel, which is a combination of, actually, 14:12.000 --> 14:15.000 I can tell you exactly what it is. 14:15.000 --> 14:19.000 Let me just go to my channels. 14:19.000 --> 14:21.000 I just have that all set up at atom.podshow.com. 14:21.000 --> 14:24.000 I'm getting to an interesting point here where I want you to help me out. 14:24.000 --> 14:25.000 So just bear with me. 14:25.000 --> 14:27.000 I just want to try and make this clear as possible. 14:27.000 --> 14:29.000 So you might on the go channel. 14:29.000 --> 14:32.000 I have quite a few shows, actually. 14:32.000 --> 14:36.000 I've got the New York Times front page on the media, 14:36.000 --> 14:40.000 BBC NewsPod, the promo feed, 14:40.000 --> 14:44.000 national inquire, or legend, Mike Walker's, the gossip game, 14:44.000 --> 14:45.000 Pacific Coast Hellway. 14:45.000 --> 14:48.000 So you can actually see that if you go to atom.podshow.com, 14:48.000 --> 14:50.000 you can see what I have in each of my channels. 14:50.000 --> 14:53.000 So not all of these shows update to daily, 14:53.000 --> 14:56.000 but when one updates, then it appears in the feed, 14:56.000 --> 14:59.000 and therefore appears on my Nokia. 14:59.000 --> 15:01.000 So the on the go is really, you know, 15:01.000 --> 15:03.000 I even named the channel. 15:03.000 --> 15:05.000 It's for the train rides to shortage. 15:05.000 --> 15:09.000 So when I go to London, I know that the latest stuff in this channel 15:09.000 --> 15:11.000 is just and it's short stuff. 15:11.000 --> 15:14.000 You know, it's like these are like 10 to 15 minutes show. 15:14.000 --> 15:17.000 Some of them live longer, but they just show up in date order, 15:17.000 --> 15:18.000 chronological order. 15:18.000 --> 15:22.000 So that's essentially how I use podshow. 15:22.000 --> 15:24.000 And if I don't like a show anymore, 15:24.000 --> 15:26.000 then I'll just get it out of my channel 15:26.000 --> 15:29.000 and it won't show up on my phone anymore. 15:29.000 --> 15:32.000 If I find something new somewhere in podshow, 15:32.000 --> 15:34.000 you know, a new show that I like, 15:34.000 --> 15:35.000 then I can add it to that channel, 15:35.000 --> 15:37.000 or any of my other channels for that matter. 15:37.000 --> 15:42.000 And some channels, I have show up in different devices. 15:42.000 --> 15:44.000 You know, like I have a, 15:44.000 --> 15:46.000 we call Microsoft. 15:46.000 --> 15:47.000 What do you call that thing? 15:47.000 --> 15:48.000 Media Center. 15:48.000 --> 15:52.000 So I have some channels that I subscribe to there. 15:52.000 --> 15:55.000 Now, what we've done within podshow is 15:55.000 --> 16:01.000 not just can you just get or collect or subscribe to shows, 16:01.000 --> 16:04.000 but you can also do it for individual episodes. 16:04.000 --> 16:09.000 You can do it for the songs made available by an artist. 16:09.000 --> 16:12.000 All of these have a little get buttons next to them. 16:12.000 --> 16:14.000 And you can even do it for images. 16:14.000 --> 16:17.000 And I believe, and we've kind of held back in a couple things 16:17.000 --> 16:19.000 because it can get really confusing. 16:19.000 --> 16:21.000 It's already quite a mind trip 16:21.000 --> 16:24.000 when you, if you can follow along when I'm about to tell you. 16:24.000 --> 16:28.000 So because you can get individual shows, 16:28.000 --> 16:31.000 I can create a channel that you can, 16:31.000 --> 16:35.000 that'll just, with stuff that'll automatically show up on your iPod, 16:35.000 --> 16:38.000 or wherever you use this channel, wherever it is. 16:38.000 --> 16:41.000 So it's really, it's meant for two type of uses. 16:41.000 --> 16:44.000 One is to play the channel in a web browser. 16:44.000 --> 16:46.000 And you can just do that by clicking play channel. 16:46.000 --> 16:48.000 And it'll just pop up a window. 16:48.000 --> 16:52.000 And the other use is to put this on a different device. 16:52.000 --> 16:55.000 So let's just say an iPod to make it simple. 16:55.000 --> 16:59.000 So when you, after you've listened to the show, or if you're in front of your computer right now, 16:59.000 --> 17:00.000 you can do it now if you want. 17:00.000 --> 17:04.000 Just go to dailysourcecode.com and you see the DSC channel. 17:04.000 --> 17:05.000 And there'll be two links. 17:05.000 --> 17:07.000 One to put it on your iPod. 17:07.000 --> 17:10.000 And the other one is a pure RSS link. 17:10.000 --> 17:14.000 So you can put that on anything that will understand RSS with enclosures. 17:14.000 --> 17:17.000 Nice little technical info there. 17:17.000 --> 17:19.000 We'll understand that feed. 17:19.000 --> 17:23.000 Now what I've done in there is I've put in a couple of episodes 17:23.000 --> 17:29.000 that I think are worth watching or listening to. 17:29.000 --> 17:31.000 So I put what I put in there. 17:31.000 --> 17:36.000 I put just a random hit test episode episode number 42 17:36.000 --> 17:41.000 just to kind of show that I can get something from way back when I put in. 17:41.000 --> 17:43.000 Oh, episode 85. 17:43.000 --> 17:46.000 I think of this week in tech. 17:46.000 --> 17:47.000 This week in tech. 17:47.000 --> 17:48.000 Twitter. 17:48.000 --> 17:49.000 The one that I was a guest on. 17:49.000 --> 17:53.000 And I also put in an intro to the channel. 17:53.000 --> 17:56.000 All just by using a mouse. 17:56.000 --> 17:58.000 So I didn't have to code anything. 17:58.000 --> 18:00.000 I didn't have to write anything. 18:00.000 --> 18:04.000 Anything I found online or if I searched for it because, 18:04.000 --> 18:07.000 you know, we, of course, search across podcast, 18:07.000 --> 18:09.000 Ali and Andy Potter.org. 18:09.000 --> 18:12.000 And you know, we have a, I'd have to say pretty much, 18:12.000 --> 18:16.000 a very extensive certainly of independent mainstream shows. 18:17.000 --> 18:19.000 And we also searched in the episodes. 18:19.000 --> 18:22.000 The search is not perfect yet totally down with that, 18:22.000 --> 18:24.000 but it ain't all that bad. 18:24.000 --> 18:28.000 Anything you find you can add a single episode. 18:28.000 --> 18:31.000 You can add to your channel. 18:31.000 --> 18:36.000 So it's a kind of a different way of broadcasting if you will. 18:36.000 --> 18:38.000 Now I could use it as a companion. 18:38.000 --> 18:42.000 So for instance, if there, you know, I listened to a lot of stuff. 18:42.000 --> 18:46.000 So for me, if I, if I hear an episode that I think will be funny, 18:46.000 --> 18:48.000 or you know, that I want you to listen to, 18:48.000 --> 18:50.000 I'll just add that single episode to the feed. 18:50.000 --> 18:52.000 And it'll just stay there until I remove it, 18:52.000 --> 18:54.000 which is another thing I can do. 18:54.000 --> 18:56.000 I can remove stuff from the feed and replace it. 18:56.000 --> 18:59.000 I could change the whole channel overnight. 18:59.000 --> 19:02.000 Now, of course, the stuff you already downloaded 19:02.000 --> 19:05.000 would remain on your, on your iPod that would automatically 19:05.000 --> 19:06.000 been brought in. 19:06.000 --> 19:09.000 But anything new would be introduced right there. 19:09.000 --> 19:11.000 And it'd be there automatically. 19:11.000 --> 19:13.000 And, you know, I cut an intro for the video. 19:13.000 --> 19:15.000 Which is pretty stupid one by the way. 19:15.000 --> 19:17.000 But I cut a video intro for the channel. 19:17.000 --> 19:19.000 But you don't have to do that. 19:19.000 --> 19:20.000 You know, it could be anything. 19:20.000 --> 19:21.000 It could be any type. 19:21.000 --> 19:23.000 Literally any type of media that you want. 19:23.000 --> 19:25.000 It could, it could just be a picture. 19:25.000 --> 19:29.000 So this channel will perform differently, 19:29.000 --> 19:31.000 depending on where you're using it. 19:31.000 --> 19:34.000 Of course, if you have, if you don't have a video iPod, 19:34.000 --> 19:36.000 video stuff is not going to play. 19:36.000 --> 19:38.000 I'm not sure about the pictures. 19:38.000 --> 19:42.000 I think pictures will probably display on a video iPod. 19:42.000 --> 19:46.000 But certainly everything will work in the dashboard. 19:46.000 --> 19:48.000 And so there's, you know, it's funky, right? 19:48.000 --> 19:50.000 We're figuring this stuff out. 19:50.000 --> 19:51.000 So I'm trying to keep it pretty simple. 19:51.000 --> 19:54.000 Keeping it just very limited to audio and video. 19:54.000 --> 19:56.000 I am doing a mixed channel. 19:56.000 --> 19:58.000 And I want you to take a look at that. 19:58.000 --> 20:00.000 And please, put it on your iPod. 20:00.000 --> 20:02.000 And, you know, let's just get a feel for it. 20:02.000 --> 20:06.000 And see if it's an actual experience that you like and let me know. 20:06.000 --> 20:08.000 And if there's anything that, you know, that you dig. 20:08.000 --> 20:12.000 Obviously, you can go out and you can get that show for yourself. 20:12.000 --> 20:16.000 And by now, I'm sure you understand that you can clearly. 20:16.000 --> 20:20.000 You can create your own channel and do this very same thing. 20:20.000 --> 20:24.000 So it's, it's kind of using Poncho.com as a utility. 20:24.000 --> 20:28.000 But in a very interesting way, because, you know, for me to be able to create. 20:28.000 --> 20:33.000 And now, of course, I'm going to create a channel with single episodes for Patricia. 20:33.000 --> 20:37.000 That'll just go on an iPod actually on iTunes. 20:37.000 --> 20:39.000 She doesn't, well, she's used my iPod. 20:39.000 --> 20:41.000 But she just, she understands iTunes. 20:41.000 --> 20:43.000 And she'll understand how to go into it. 20:43.000 --> 20:48.000 And, you know, into a, just open up one little folder there and see if there's something new to play. 20:48.000 --> 20:49.000 And she'll get that. 20:49.000 --> 20:51.000 And so I can put all kinds of stuff in there. 20:51.000 --> 20:57.000 And I'm really moderating that channel or, or on the editor of the channel or maybe 20:57.000 --> 21:02.000 maybe I'm just kind of like a broadcaster in some kind of bizarre to it twisted way. 21:02.000 --> 21:05.000 So again, go to dailysourcecode.com or query.com. 21:05.000 --> 21:07.000 You'll see the link there. 21:07.000 --> 21:09.000 It should open up iTunes automatically. 21:09.000 --> 21:11.000 Get the channel for you. 21:11.000 --> 21:15.000 And if you're using something else, there's an RSS feed for you. 21:15.000 --> 21:16.000 Hey, let's play. 21:16.000 --> 21:18.000 You will know by name. 21:18.000 --> 21:19.000 Question. 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It's because we can't explain it. It's like Tivo. 27:54.320 --> 27:58.320 You know, Tivo has spent $300 million trying to explain to people what the 27:58.320 --> 28:05.040 frick of Tivo is. And they failed miserably at it. But you know, when people 28:05.040 --> 28:08.480 get a Tivo, guess what? They don't want you know, try and take it away from them. 28:08.480 --> 28:12.200 They'll stab you and they will. They'll bite you whatever it takes to do not 28:12.200 --> 28:16.200 remove the Tivo. So it's one of those things that you just have to show 28:16.200 --> 28:20.760 people in order for them to understand. And you know, and again, I'm going back to 28:20.760 --> 28:25.400 the whole job's thing today when he claims that there's half a billion downloads 28:25.400 --> 28:33.840 of iTunes onto Windows computers. You know, I don't, that seems like a lot. But 28:33.840 --> 28:37.760 anyway, when I want to ask someone, you got an iPod. Yeah, I got an iPod. Well, 28:37.880 --> 28:41.320 have you ever seen the little word podcast in iTunes? No, I haven't seen it. 28:41.320 --> 28:46.240 You know, the people that just don't see it. You know, it's just not on the radar 28:46.240 --> 28:51.160 like that. But if I said, Hey, man, let me send you an email and you just click 28:51.160 --> 28:57.480 on that link and you'll have a channel of of what we can call podcasts or let's 28:57.480 --> 29:02.840 just say you'll have a channel of cool shit on your iPod. Now that, you know, 29:02.840 --> 29:07.240 you don't have to explain it. It's like, ah, it got some cool shit. I don't 29:07.280 --> 29:11.880 cool shit. Look, it's like, it's like shit. It's in trying to explain a podcast 29:11.880 --> 29:17.080 thing. You said that people understand internet radio better than podcast. And I 29:17.080 --> 29:21.320 was thinking, it's really not just internet radio. But it's kind of like internet 29:21.320 --> 29:27.200 radio with something like TV or digital video recording. Yeah, okay. So that's my 29:27.200 --> 29:30.760 point. And I appreciate what you're saying, but I don't think we should compound 29:30.760 --> 29:37.200 the problem by trying to say podcasting is internet TV. It's not 29:37.200 --> 29:42.400 just getting your shows from internet. But your computer actually collects your shows 29:42.400 --> 29:46.600 in a way that a digital video recorded does so that they're downloaded and 29:46.600 --> 29:50.800 organized and ready to do it. And those people are advertisers are afraid of 29:50.800 --> 29:55.520 digital video recorders. Although I saw a survey somewhere where some results 29:55.520 --> 30:01.000 of a survey crap. I wish I had that. I probably saved it somewhere. It said 30:01.000 --> 30:07.920 that when Tvo users, um, misquoting is I think it was like when Tvo users 30:07.920 --> 30:13.720 watch ads, um, they really want 30 second ads and not 15. So I don't know what 30:13.720 --> 30:18.520 the hell it was. But I still, you know, hey, look, make the ads entertaining. 30:18.520 --> 30:21.520 Make people want to watch it. There are ads I watch and there are ads I'll stop 30:21.520 --> 30:27.360 for because they're funny. Even the dam, uh, what is it? Uh, 1 1 8 1 1 8.com 30:27.360 --> 30:33.520 ads that they had on before and after lost on channel. Or I watch that. Those guys 30:33.520 --> 30:37.120 are dumb and makes me feel good to watch. Anyway, just thought it was a better 30:37.120 --> 30:42.920 analogy. Love the show. Absolutely. Thanks a lot, Adam. Take care. I appreciate it so 30:42.920 --> 30:47.440 much. Janice, will you please call back more often? And let me know what you do. And, uh, 30:47.440 --> 30:55.120 well, I'll be remiss if I didn't ask for some naked pictures. Oh, shit. This is the one. 30:55.200 --> 31:01.200 Let's have a word with the nylon spread and the news with the smile on where the 31:01.200 --> 31:07.360 wrong old right window for light. Let's listen for the wild and the nylon. Oh, yes, 31:07.360 --> 31:12.480 he's back. And I don't know if I'm just missing his comments because he refers to it 31:12.480 --> 31:17.280 as if comments are being sent. He's calling in every single day. But here he is. And he's 31:17.280 --> 31:22.720 got a lot of crap on his mind. The nylon everybody. Yeah, I'm the nylon. I must be a little 31:22.720 --> 31:26.080 reluctant to play some of my calls these days. Hey, that's what I'm talking about. I don't 31:26.080 --> 31:29.920 receive your calls, okay? I don't know what you're doing, but they're not coming to me. This is the 31:29.920 --> 31:33.840 first time I've received one since the last time you said I don't play your calls. It's too critical, 31:33.840 --> 31:41.600 but I'll keep going. So first point is, um, John DeVoilac. This guy is a vice president of your 31:41.600 --> 31:46.640 organization and vice president and most company means he's an officer of the company. Yeah, 31:46.640 --> 31:50.000 no, no, no, no. If you're an officer of the company, you're an officer of the company. If 31:50.000 --> 31:56.080 you're a vice president, vice president is not like an officer. Officer would be a chief executive 31:56.080 --> 32:07.760 officer or chief technology officer. BP is vice president, not officer. But I think your point is 32:07.760 --> 32:14.000 well made. You know, he's he's, he's dedicated to the success of the company. Yes, he's a stakeholder. 32:14.160 --> 32:20.480 And I, uh, yeah, stakeholder. And, you know, he's committed to maximizing the value of the company. 32:21.120 --> 32:26.560 Well, as is everyone at Pod Show, everyone at Pod Show is a stakeholder in the form of options. 32:27.120 --> 32:33.200 So they, uh, they absolutely have a stake in, uh, in a number of different types of outcome. 32:33.200 --> 32:37.840 I found them a couple of times. The guy doesn't know what his job is. You know, the 32:38.400 --> 32:42.560 PR release you put in, devour, devour act is always trying to stumble to say, 32:42.560 --> 32:48.000 I, what is Ron Bloom mean by all this hyperbole? Guy is in our particular about what he does. 32:48.000 --> 32:52.480 And it's now three weeks. And I'm sure we hear something. But I think most of your listeners 32:52.480 --> 32:58.240 and audience are also confused. You know, you know, nylon, um, after you, hopefully just listen to 32:58.240 --> 33:03.200 my whole rant about channels, go back and reread the press release. And by the way, you know, I had 33:03.280 --> 33:09.760 John on the show. Ah, something stuck in my nose. Hold on. I had John on the show. And we 33:09.760 --> 33:14.160 laughed about the press release. It's a press release. It's for the press. It's not for bloggers 33:15.200 --> 33:22.160 and nyloners. It's a press release. You know, old school, old world. You know, there is still 33:22.160 --> 33:27.680 a need for that. And it's sometimes is quite useful. Now, but go back and reread that and maybe 33:27.680 --> 33:31.040 something will start to dawn on you as to how we're putting all this stuff together. 33:31.040 --> 33:37.120 The icing on the cake is Twitter 100. He's on there with Leo. Leo is the show by saying, John, 33:37.120 --> 33:42.400 anything you want to plug? John plugs his blog. Nothing else. He's a vice president, 33:42.400 --> 33:48.160 a part show. He should be plugging. Nothing. Two minutes later, Leo prompts some. Leo comes back 33:48.160 --> 33:54.320 and prompts him and says, how about part show, John? And then John comes in. What kind of officer 33:54.320 --> 33:59.760 of a company needs prompting to talk about his company? So two things there. First of all, 34:00.720 --> 34:07.520 we're very happy with the work that John already does. His writing, his own blog, 34:08.960 --> 34:17.040 cranky geeks, his appearances on CNBC. And of course, this week in tech. And I mean, how 34:17.040 --> 34:24.080 lame would it be if he went around and all these shows, all of a sudden promoting his, you know, 34:24.080 --> 34:28.560 he doesn't, well, he does promote his blog. But not like, hey, you know, I've got a blog. It's, 34:28.720 --> 34:31.280 you know, he'll say, I wrote about this on my blog. And I'm sure in the future, 34:31.280 --> 34:36.560 we'll say, oh, I said this on tech five, which is unofficially soft launched, whatever the hell, 34:36.560 --> 34:43.120 that means tech five dot pod show dot com to ECH five. I think tech five FIV might also work, 34:43.120 --> 34:50.960 which should. You know, so when it's in reference, then it's relevant. And of course, 34:50.960 --> 34:57.840 we'll talk about it. But there's, you know, we didn't buy, you know, if I wanted to be on Leo show 34:57.840 --> 35:03.760 with a pod show commercial, I'd fucking buy a commercial. You know, that's not, that's, you know, 35:03.760 --> 35:10.960 these are existing things, existing existing work he was doing. There's no need to do that. 35:10.960 --> 35:16.080 That's just kind of lame. And Leo prompted him. That's right, Leo really asked him, I heard the show. 35:16.880 --> 35:22.000 And so John told him, I think that John was even, you could probably hear he was unprepared for the 35:22.000 --> 35:27.360 question. He wasn't intending on talking about it at all. You know, there's a right time and for things 35:27.360 --> 35:32.480 and a right place for things and a right moment. And, and that wasn't it. So I think, you know, 35:32.480 --> 35:39.680 maybe just being, uh, fucking decent nylon. Um, quite the confused. He doesn't talk about it on cranky geeks. 35:40.480 --> 35:45.120 You know, this sounds like a very titular fuzzy sort of relationship to have. 35:46.080 --> 35:50.880 I give it one year, you know, the guy doesn't seem to be totally aligned and engaged and committed. 35:51.600 --> 35:56.320 Good. You know, what are you? Now we'll sudden you're the media pundit. I give it one year. 35:56.960 --> 36:03.120 Shut up. See attributes for a single officer. Last and not least is back to Trinity. You may not 36:03.120 --> 36:08.480 want to hear it, but, you know, this meant my ride. You know, this is a great idea five months ago. 36:08.480 --> 36:15.360 It was audience generated, audience energize, audience customize, everyone was pushing the ports for 36:15.360 --> 36:21.120 open. They wanted to get on the Trinity band, Reagan. Nothing's happened because you're trying 36:21.120 --> 36:28.000 to get a sponsor's logo on poor little Trinity. Let's not monetize Trinity. It was a good idea. 36:28.000 --> 36:33.840 The audience was behind it. Let's get it over with. Run the thing, of course, the US, let everyone 36:33.840 --> 36:41.200 pedal 25 miles back home. Um, you know, three Trinity is free from the tent. Stop monetizing everything. 36:41.280 --> 36:45.280 It's the hall. It was a nice idea. The audience loved it five months ago, and by 36:46.640 --> 36:50.560 forgetting that it's an avenue focused on your audience. What's going to bring them some joy. So, 36:50.560 --> 36:56.160 oh, I don't know. All right. I'm going to say you're you're right on some of that. Absolutely. The heat 36:56.160 --> 37:02.400 was on five months ago. Now, I totally believed that the heat is there. But there's a couple of things. 37:03.280 --> 37:08.800 First of all, um, in putting this together, you know, this is a corporation where they're 37:08.800 --> 37:13.760 you like it or not. Uh, and I am an extension of a corporation. And so there's a couple of things 37:13.760 --> 37:19.600 that we have to do properly. Um, insurance is really part of it. So, you know, and so the minute you 37:19.600 --> 37:25.040 even start looking into that shit, guess what? I'm busy. And I hate looking at that. So I got to 37:25.040 --> 37:30.160 get a producer to do it. You know, producers not free. Yeah, because, of course, I could get someone 37:30.160 --> 37:36.640 to do it for free. And I could, you know, find people just enthusiastic. But I want things done right. 37:36.640 --> 37:42.640 I think this is a big project. And it's, and honestly, it's much bigger than I ever expected 37:42.640 --> 37:48.480 to be just thinking through the logistics of it. And no, I mean, I don't want, uh, to have to rely 37:48.480 --> 37:53.440 on people spending their own money to do deadhead trips. You know, in one way, because, you know, 37:53.440 --> 37:57.840 you're going to drive some part of the right. You have to get back somehow, eventually, unless you 37:57.840 --> 38:03.680 had it planned that way. So then you're into logistics. You know, there's a lot, a lot of logistics. 38:03.680 --> 38:10.160 Yeah, we could have seen where we got with it. But it's my fucking car. You know, I want to do this 38:10.160 --> 38:14.720 ride. It's not like, oh, I'm just throwing my car. It's my car, all right. And, you know, the car is 38:14.720 --> 38:21.840 also has had a lot of problems. Oh, Rosie, she hadn't even told me about the latest, uh, Trinity 38:21.840 --> 38:28.960 Clamter Port on us. Uh, apparently she would not no longer accept the key. Uh, I'm going to 38:28.960 --> 38:36.720 get a locksmith over and it's like 200 bucks for a new lock ignition, the ignition. So she's in the 38:36.720 --> 38:43.280 garage now here at the condo. And, uh, you know, as I think everything that that could have broken 38:43.280 --> 38:48.480 has broken and everything that need to be fixed has been fixed. So anyway, there's definitely 38:48.480 --> 38:53.360 costs associated with it. But I want us to have fun with it. And so you're right, you know, 38:53.840 --> 39:02.240 I was, I was ill-prepared, um, to take advantage of the, the, the wave that came. 39:03.360 --> 39:08.080 Although I do totally believe we can rekindle that when the time is right. And that time is going to 39:08.080 --> 39:15.200 come. And yes, um, I am actively looking for a sponsor. It's not necessarily me monetization, 39:15.200 --> 39:21.360 okay? It's like saying NPR monetizes on their sponsorships. You know, sometimes you just need to 39:21.440 --> 39:26.240 sponsorship to make something work. I just don't want to do this ad hoc. There's just too much 39:26.240 --> 39:32.240 involved. Um, for me, I mean, someone would have to manage it regardless, regardless. You know, 39:32.240 --> 39:36.000 Barbara was putting all together. She put a proposal together. And she wanted decent money, you know, 39:36.000 --> 39:40.960 to manage the whole thing. Uh, and you have to pay anyone, anyone's a decent money. And it's a, 39:40.960 --> 39:45.840 it's not like a day project. It's a three to, it's like a three-month project, I think, 39:45.920 --> 39:52.160 with preparation, with a trip, you know, this actual work involved. Now, that said, we, I think we're 39:52.160 --> 40:00.000 very close. And that's what I alluded to last week. We're very, very close, um, to a relevant sponsor 40:00.000 --> 40:09.040 who really wants to step up and step into this project. And, you know, I'm excited about that. 40:09.040 --> 40:14.240 And so if that possibility is out there, and that's for real. And as I said, I would 40:14.320 --> 40:18.320 have an update on that this week, you know, then I think it's worth waiting for. 40:18.320 --> 40:22.560 I think we can still have fun. There's a saying in Dutch about did it to fotsit for your 40:22.560 --> 40:28.880 need. Uh, and of course, it, uh, has not translated it all. Uh, but whatever's in the barrel 40:28.880 --> 40:34.480 is isn't going to go sour. Adam, I beg you, don't become tip my call version 2.0, 40:35.200 --> 40:40.480 3 20. Don't let Madison Avenue and logos touch her. It was a great idea. 40:41.440 --> 40:45.360 Ah, I feel better. You're so, uh, my one. 40:47.280 --> 40:57.200 Nylon. Um, I really don't like you, but I really, really, really do appreciate 40:57.200 --> 41:02.640 you calling in and giving me a piece of your mind. Whoa, he's an island. 41:03.120 --> 41:10.800 Fucking expatriate. He's in London, buddy. He's from New York. Whoa, he's my 41:10.800 --> 44:46.250 [ Music ] 44:46.720 --> 44:48.160 All right, I stand corrected. 44:51.280 --> 44:54.720 It's not exactly going to be pod save any time soon. 44:56.640 --> 45:00.160 Turns out the official Transformers theme sucks. 45:00.160 --> 45:02.320 So, fallen in, you're back a lot beside a date. 45:03.440 --> 45:06.400 It looks a little take on the official theme, but the fans aside. 45:07.520 --> 45:10.320 Leave a lot of evolution and be my friends. 45:10.320 --> 45:13.840 There'll be a video out on YouTube of that tomorrow. 45:13.840 --> 45:18.400 Which reminds me, I'm just waiting around now. I don't really have time to go trolling YouTube, 45:18.400 --> 45:23.040 but I'm so convinced that within a day or two we're going to see the real 45:23.120 --> 45:29.680 official ending of the sopranos. I think there's going to be a viral explosion of people creating 45:29.680 --> 45:36.960 funny endings, dramatic endings, endings they act themselves, endings that will be spoofed, 45:36.960 --> 45:40.880 takeoffs, etc. And quite honestly, I'm really looking forward to it. 45:41.920 --> 45:48.320 We talked a lot today about a lot of stuff. One more thing, I know I'm asking a lot of you, 45:48.320 --> 45:54.000 so besides clicking on a link, I know it's quite a task and check out what you think of my channel 45:54.000 --> 46:00.800 in iTunes, or maybe just some of you may check it out on your iPod, others, only on iTunes, 46:00.800 --> 46:06.560 or whatever you are. Let me know how that goes for you. And if you have a chance, I'd like you to 46:06.560 --> 46:10.960 become a member of the super panel. This is a whole suckless thing you've been talking about. 46:10.960 --> 46:15.600 We really want to understand more about you. I want to understand more about you as my audience, 46:15.680 --> 46:21.280 and we'll know that you're a DSC listener, and you'll also indicate what other things you 46:21.280 --> 46:27.360 listen to. And if you're a part of the super panel, then it kind of continues. And you don't have to 46:27.360 --> 46:33.120 do every single survey. I realize that what I'm doing here is basically saying to you as a friend, 46:33.120 --> 46:37.600 hey, just put my arm around you. Hey, when we go down to the mall, and when those people ask you 46:37.600 --> 46:42.640 to take the survey, take it, okay? Now I understand. It can be a pain in the ass, but I really 46:42.640 --> 46:49.200 would appreciate it. And soon advertisers will also be asking you through us as a part of the 46:49.200 --> 46:54.560 super panel, what you think of ads and how they're placed in podcasts, talking about pre-roll, 46:54.560 --> 46:59.680 post-roll, host endorsements, all this stuff. We get lots of feedback and you tell us lots of things 46:59.680 --> 47:04.640 about what you feel and what you think, but here's an opportunity to actually tell us. So the 47:04.640 --> 47:09.840 questions, very basic right now, but they are going to become extremely targeted also for other 47:09.840 --> 47:13.280 countries. You know, this is going to be a long campaign that's going to, you know, the 47:13.280 --> 47:18.800 suckless inserts are going to go away, you know, within a relatively short time, you know, 47:18.800 --> 47:25.280 the whole point is we got your attention for a number, in a number of ways, I'd really like that 47:25.280 --> 47:30.560 and I really appreciate if you take the survey for me. And I'll send you one of my naked pictures. 47:30.560 --> 47:35.040 DailySourceco.com, add on podshow.com, looking forward to talking to you guys tomorrow. Bye. 47:40.800 --> 47:49.920 The best and the brightest served up daily by the sharpest minds in content delivery, 47:49.920 --> 47:55.760 podshow and lightweight.