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You know, we'll be now to hear
on the prairie ain't easy.

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A lot of minds after cookie
finishes.

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Mixing us up some grubwee.

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Consider how to camp fire and
tell stories.

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Maybe have a little camaraderie.

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Then we snuggle up in Spoon and
listen to the DSC, 637.

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It's awful nice here, broke back
mountain.

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Now that I'm curious, just put
this in the mood.

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The lower here's levy, you can
borrow one of my headphones.

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With $60 million worth of
airplane strapped to my ass.

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Then the next generation radio
content in my ears.

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I like to think I'm flying into
the future.

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[ Music ]

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Come on, baby, watch out, yeah

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There's just days that are
perfect to roll monk out

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Pod people taking over because
the revolution has progressed

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Yet another step, my friends,
that's right

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Mainstream media coming apart at
the scenes in the United Kingdom

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And it's going to spread
worldwide

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And we can start watching it as
of today

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Sit back and enjoy this ride

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Daily source code episode number
637 coming to you

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From the affluent suburb of
Surrey

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No one is killed for a G-town
west side in the curry manner

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And what a perfect day, I'm so
excited to talk to you about

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What's going on over here?

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I have alluded about it, alluded
to it for the past couple days

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This fits in perfectly with the
conversation about the society
of the spectral goal

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Because the BBC is falling apart

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Not just the BBC, but all media
now is under huge scrutiny here
in the United Kingdom

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And this is not just a ding in
the armor of mainstream media

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It is a huge chunk

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There's a crack, we can stick
our, the limit in there

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And start making them bleed and
I'm counting on you to help

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Let me explain what's going on
why I'm so excited today

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First of all, yesterday a report
came out from the BBC

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I've been keeping up to speed on
what's been going on

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Is that all of these practices
within television at the BBC

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Which is publicly funded

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Not just through some tax budget

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But actually by paying every
individual household that has at
least

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One television or radio has to
pay about $300 a year

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For the right to actually use
that

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Because we're presuming that
you're going to watch BBC

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The BBC is actually a trust

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It's called the BBC Trust

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Trust being the big word here

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Because we pay this money

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We trust the BBC to come up with
fair

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And oh boy, how weird does that
sound?

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And balanced programming that is
not driven by commercial
interests

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Now of course we're not crazy

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We all know particularly with
government run

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Mainstream media that there's a
lot of politics involved

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Their funding depends on how the
politics are played

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Report today came out that says
in the run up to the invasion of
Iraq

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Tony Blair met with Rupert
Murdoch a number of times

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In three days running in three
day run up to the actual
invasion

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Hmm, I wonder why

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Okay, so this all started with
this documentary about the queen

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Which has not even been released
yet

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But the trailer was proven to be
false

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The queen was outraged, the
palace, the royal family

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Because they edited things out
of sequence to kind of sex up

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The queen's reaction to Annie
Lieber was asking her to take
off her

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It wasn't even a crown her tiara
for a photo shoot

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And showed her storming off
which was actually her walking
into the photos

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And now things are just bubbling
up to the top

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The BBC is going through a wide
scale investigation

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Here's just part of the report
that came out yesterday

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Here's some of the falsehoods,
lies, trickery and cheating

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That the BBC has by their own
admission has taken part in

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Comic Relief March 16th, 2007
BBC won

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In a section of this appeal
program

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Viewers were invited to donate
money to comic relief

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That by calling in they could
win prizes that belonged to a
famous couple

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The first two callers taken on
air gave incorrect answers

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The other waiting callers were
lost

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And a third caller was heard on
air successfully answered the
question

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This caller wasn't fact not a
viewer

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But a member of the production
team

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TMI September 16th, 2006 on BBC
2 and on CBC is a kids program

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Following a production problem
with a live competition

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Viewers were led to believe that
a member of the audience was
involved

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And won a competition open to
the public

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In fact, the caller was a member
of the production team

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The program team failed to seek
proper advice before running the
competition

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Sports relief July 15th, 2006
BBC won

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Viewers were led to believe that
a member of the public was
involved in

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And won a competition open to
the public

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Whereas the caller was in fact,
you guessed it, a member of the
production team

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Children in need November 18th,
2005 BBC won Scotland

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In a segment called Raven

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The island in BBC Children's
need appeals

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Scotland broadcast in 2005
Viewers were led to believe that
a phone

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In competition opened to the
audience had been won by a
viewer

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In fact due to a technical
mistake calls from the public
did not get through

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And the name of a fictitious
winner was read on the air

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The Liz Kershaw Show 2005 on BBC
6 music in pre-recorded programs

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Presented as if they were live

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A competition was announced that
appeared to feature genuine
listeners

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Foning into take part one of
whom could win a prize on air

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In fact, in recorded programs
there were no competitions or
prizes

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And all of the callers were
actually members of the
production team and their
friends

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A new producer took over the
program in December 2006

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And stopped the practices as a
matter of priority

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Finally, white label, world
service, BBC

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Until April 2006 a weekly pop
music preview program on the
English service

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On more than one occasion a fake
winner was announced for the CD
prize

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When no winning entries had
actually been received

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Gee

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And you think that's all you
think that's it

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You think that's all that's been
fake

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Let me tell you what happens in
television

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And then we're going to listen
to some beautiful words from
David Cox

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Long time television producer
here in the United Kingdom

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Who was on News Night last night

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I can't tell you how excited I
am about this

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We are going to bring these
suckers down

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Television is inherently a
trickery medium

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It was designed that way

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It was magic when it first came
out

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I'm going to tell you just a
couple of examples of how I
involved in television
production

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Have deceived the public on
purpose

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Not for financial benefit or
gain

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Well, that depends on how you
look at it

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Because of course

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If you tell someone that you
have a satellite interview with
Janet Jackson

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And you promote that so that
people will come and watch your
show

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Therefore your ratings go up

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That of course can be seen this
100% deception

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That I did that several times

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This is exactly what happened in
the 80s

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When I was in the Netherlands
working for a public broadcaster

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The organization was Veronica
Broadcasting

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I did a program called Countdown

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And we would receive electronic
press kits

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From record companies for their
major artists

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So when Janet Jackson came out
with her album

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I think that was the one that
had what if you'd done from me
lately on it

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Huge album

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Janet Jackson you could not get
a bigger star

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In fact we couldn't get Janet
Jackson in the studio

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But the electronic press kit
really consisted of an interview
with Janet

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So questions would be asked off
screen

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And Janet would be answering
those questions

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And so what we would do is we
would and this was sent out for
this very purpose by the way

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To take sound bites from or what
we did

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And I had a big part in this
because I didn't concoct it

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But I did completely execute it

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I looked at all the answers that
Janet gave

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I wrote up questions which of
course were similar to the
questions asked

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But not the exact questions

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So already right there I was
going over the line

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I think I was not asking the
exact questions she was
responding to

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We edited a tape about three and
a half minutes of Janet's
answers

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And black spaces in between

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And I timed my questioning to
that tape

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So imagine here's what happened

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I would sit there and say okay
we got Janet Jackson on the side

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Like while I was saying that
they would show a frame of that
tape

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So it looked like we literally
put in fuzzy stuff

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Like the satellite was coming in
and out

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Of course this was the 80s when
a satellite interview was still
a huge deal

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We did not have the internet at
the time

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Or at least we weren't using it
the way we used it today

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And then I knew the cues I knew
would ask the question

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Janet's answer would come I wish
I could find this tape

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Or copy of it because you'll see
that I probably even through in
a

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Funny question to which she gave
a totally different response

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Just to really sex up the whole
interview

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Complete utter deception my god

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This was a music program on
television

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Where the artists came on and
pretended to actually perform

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They had their guitars with
actual cords plugged in

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Microphones with cords plugged
in plugged in

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And nothing on the other end

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There was no mixing board there
were lip syncing entirely

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It was there was just mining to
the track

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That of course is complete
deception

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Now it's not like we don't know
that anymore

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But it is it's inherent to the
medium

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Why? Well, it's very expensive
to get a great sound for a band
live

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Particularly if you have a
45-minute program once a week

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And you have to shove 809
artists onto a stage

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I mean it's a huge cost huge
production

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Absolutely no budget

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And of course the artists and
the record companies

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Complicit in this whole affair
because they stood up there and
they faked right along

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And this is just one tiny
example

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I can give you millions of
examples of how television

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Deceives the viewers all the
time

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Please go take the XNTV
experiment

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You will not be disappointed it
will open your eyes

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It will give you a complete red
pill moment

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I guarantee you

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But right now we're starting to

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Collectively lick the red pill

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We're starting to figure out
what's going on

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And there's a number of reasons
for it

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And I think that if we all

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Really focus on this

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And we start the wave roll in
here because the BBC

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You know it's like

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All right the curtain is open

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The underpants are down

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The bear bottom of the trust is
showing

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This is going on everywhere

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It's going on in commercial
television

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You don't hear a lot of people
weighing in

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About this deception of viewers
in the United States

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I'm telling you

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Network executives are pooping
their pants right now

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They don't want any of this

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Eki stuff spilling over to them
in the US

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We have to do it

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We have to expose them

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It's part of our revolution

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Now not saying that there's no
deception going on

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In online television and radio
and podcast

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Independent media

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I can only speak for myself

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You know I'm full of shit

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You know what my mode of stars

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You know what I want to do

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I'm not trying to hide behind
anything

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And I'm not taking money from
you on an annual basis

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Pretending that I'm giving you
fair and balanced television

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Production

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So this is really coming to a
head

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Last night on News Night a big
news talk program

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Here in the United Kingdom

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Of course they had a lengthy
interview with

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The chairman of the trust

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Of the BBC who was

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His position of course is being
questioned

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Should he resign or not

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And then they go into a
conversation

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A live on air

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Luckily

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Between Michael Gray

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Who used to be

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The keeper of the trust of the
BBC

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And is now the head of ITV

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In the UK commercial

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Commercial network of stations

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Of channels

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And David Cox

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Long time television producer

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Who pulls no punches

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And says some beautiful things

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So beautiful

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I wanted to just play him for
you today

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It's about eight minutes

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And total I'm going to give
commentary

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And I'm going to show you

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What's happening

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With a little bit of Mark
Thompson

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Talking about just the tail end
of his interview

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Talking about the trust of the
BBC

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And what he's trying to do to
contain this

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But trust me

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These guys are trying to cover
up everything

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Because every single program

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Everything you see

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Has deception and trickery in it

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Because it's part of the medium

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I think the way to judge me

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The way to judge

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The whole leadership of the BBC

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Is how we react to those
mistakes

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And whether if we discover
weaknesses in our system

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We put things in place to reduce

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Or eliminate those weaknesses
entirely

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That's what we're going to do

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And I will be judged

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The BBC Trust have made it very
clear today

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To me today

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That they will judge me

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And they'll judge my colleagues

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On our success

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In

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Taking this utterly seriously

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Which I assure you we do

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But then over the coming months

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Everything all the steps in
place to make sure

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That these instances

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Either never happen again

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Which of course is the ideal

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Or that the chances of them
happening

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Is reduced to absolutely a small

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Is it humanly can be?

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Do you accept that the

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The BBC license fee is based

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On trust from the British public

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And tonight many people

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Will be saying why should we
trust the BBC

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Great, great, great question

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Everyone who pays the license
fee

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Within the sound of my voice

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You should be prepared to really
cause a

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Shitstorm about this

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I believe that in these
instances

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We let the public down very
badly

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What I would say is I hope that
the public

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Would also recognise

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That what we've done today

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And what we've done over the
last few months

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Is trying to be very open and
honest

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About this issue

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Both about the fact that it
exists

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To explore

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I think more thoroughly than in
the other blockers

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I'm aware of exactly how

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How to extend this problem

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Is how widespread it is

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And also that we are totally
committed

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To putting this right

18:23.800 --> 18:24.800
And in this respect

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Fully winning back their
confidence

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Thank you very much

18:28.800 --> 18:29.800
Okay, okay

18:29.800 --> 18:31.800
So

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Cover up

18:33.800 --> 18:34.800
Cover up

18:34.800 --> 18:36.800
They sure they've been totally
open

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That was the only list that is
available

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The list that I just read to you

18:40.800 --> 18:42.800
And that's over a course of like

18:42.800 --> 18:44.800
A year and a two years

18:44.800 --> 18:46.800
They come up with seven
instances

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Of some deception going on

18:48.800 --> 18:50.800
And that's just about

18:50.800 --> 18:52.800
Staff members stepping in

18:52.800 --> 18:54.800
To cover up because their
competition

18:54.800 --> 18:56.800
Sucked or didn't work or broke
or they couldn't find

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Any sexy winners

18:58.800 --> 18:59.800
Oh man, let me tell you

18:59.800 --> 19:00.800
On the radio

19:00.800 --> 19:01.800
Huh

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How many Z100 in New York

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W HTZ

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Shut up

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I'm in the middle of a fantastic
thing here

19:07.800 --> 19:09.800
W HTZ in New York

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Number one radio station

19:11.800 --> 19:13.800
When I did a weekend shift there

19:13.800 --> 19:14.800
During the

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On was at mid 90s

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No, early 90s I think

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Yeah, late 80s early 90s

19:20.800 --> 19:21.800
We would have

19:21.800 --> 19:22.800
Contest winners

19:22.800 --> 19:24.800
And here's how it would work

19:24.800 --> 19:26.800
It would be collar 100

19:26.800 --> 19:27.800
Right now

19:27.800 --> 19:28.800
On the toll free lines

19:28.800 --> 19:30.800
One hundred two four two zero

19:30.800 --> 19:32.800
One hundred two four two zero

19:32.800 --> 19:34.800
One hundred I even remember the
number

19:34.800 --> 19:35.800
If you can if you can believe
that

19:35.800 --> 19:38.800
It's a clear channel station by
the way clear channel

19:38.800 --> 19:39.800
Those guys

19:40.800 --> 19:42.800
And and the instruction

19:42.800 --> 19:44.800
To the phone ops

19:44.800 --> 19:45.800
Who literally would sit there
and go

19:45.800 --> 19:46.800
Z100 or call number ones

19:46.800 --> 19:47.800
Z100 or call number two

19:47.800 --> 19:48.800
And they would go that way

19:48.800 --> 19:49.800
Up until they hit one hundred

19:49.800 --> 19:51.800
But they would never say one
hundred

19:51.800 --> 19:52.800
At ninety nine

19:52.800 --> 19:53.800
They would wait

19:53.800 --> 19:54.800
And the collar that called in

19:54.800 --> 19:56.800
They would they were trained to
listen to their voice

19:56.800 --> 19:59.800
This person had to be someone
who was going to be excited

19:59.800 --> 20:01.800
Sometimes the DJ would even say

20:01.800 --> 20:03.800
Make sure it's a girl

20:03.800 --> 20:06.800
And if the collar was collar
number one hundred

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Was not did not fit the profile

20:09.800 --> 20:11.800
The phone op was trained to say

20:11.800 --> 20:13.800
Z100 or call number ninety nine

20:13.800 --> 20:14.800
Try again later

20:14.800 --> 20:17.800
So you might have five or six
people who are call number
ninety nine

20:17.800 --> 20:18.800
Until they found one that fit
the profile

20:18.800 --> 20:20.800
That person was then collar one
hundred

20:20.800 --> 20:23.800
Complete deception this happens
all the time

20:23.800 --> 20:25.800
And mainstream media

20:25.800 --> 20:28.800
Now of course as you know for my
own personal view point

20:28.800 --> 20:31.800
I love putting the fuck up
people on the air

20:31.800 --> 20:33.800
I love people who have speech
impediments

20:33.800 --> 20:35.800
And and and weird accents

20:35.800 --> 20:37.800
And because it's human is
beautiful

20:37.800 --> 20:40.800
I love it that's a big part of
what motivates me

20:40.800 --> 20:42.800
So now onto the interview
Michael Grayd

20:42.800 --> 20:44.800
pompous ass

20:44.800 --> 20:46.800
I wish you could see the
pictures

20:46.800 --> 20:49.800
Is going to tell you that this
is because of market pressure

20:49.800 --> 20:51.800
And bullshit bullshit

20:51.800 --> 20:53.800
What happens

20:53.800 --> 20:56.800
And this is this is worldwide

20:56.800 --> 20:58.800
Production staff

20:58.800 --> 21:01.800
For I'm just going to talk about
television in this case

21:01.800 --> 21:03.800
Our kids the kids

21:04.800 --> 21:06.800
You know they have no training

21:06.800 --> 21:08.800
They'll be paying shit because
they'll do anything

21:08.800 --> 21:10.800
You know the blow anybody to
work in

21:10.800 --> 21:12.800
Quote television being show
business

21:12.800 --> 21:15.800
They're really cheap this is how
big profits are made

21:15.800 --> 21:17.800
And that's systematic

21:17.800 --> 21:21.800
It's systemic it's inherent to
the way the business works

21:21.800 --> 21:24.800
You know we've got to pay
Jonathan Ross eight million
pounds

21:24.800 --> 21:27.800
You know so we got to make up
for that somewhere

21:27.800 --> 21:29.800
By the way when I went to
university

21:29.800 --> 21:32.800
I studied broadcasting
communications

21:32.800 --> 21:35.800
And there's two things that
really got drilled into your
mind

21:35.800 --> 21:37.800
Now this was 81

21:37.800 --> 21:39.800
I believe 82 or something like
that

21:39.800 --> 21:42.800
And one is equal airtime

21:42.800 --> 21:43.800
Which of course

21:43.800 --> 21:47.800
When is the last time you heard
any talk show

21:47.800 --> 21:50.800
Or watch any talk show where
there was equal airtime

21:50.800 --> 21:52.800
For both sides of a political
debate

21:52.800 --> 21:54.800
Well of course that isn't true
anymore

21:54.800 --> 21:55.800
Go listen to Rush Limbaugh

21:55.800 --> 21:56.800
Where's the other side

21:56.800 --> 21:58.800
So somehow that is just that
rule that

21:58.800 --> 22:01.800
Regulation has just been thrown
overboard

22:01.800 --> 22:03.800
It pops up once in a while and
you know people talk about it

22:03.800 --> 22:05.800
Say well you know there's just
no way we can't do it

22:05.800 --> 22:06.800
All right

22:06.800 --> 22:10.800
And then there was the infamous
case of the 64,000 dollar
question

22:10.800 --> 22:12.800
There's been books written about
this movies

22:12.800 --> 22:14.800
Remaid movies about it

22:14.800 --> 22:16.800
And that was all about this
deception

22:16.800 --> 22:18.800
Where you could not have a game
show

22:18.800 --> 22:21.800
That had a contest knew had the
fricking answers up front

22:21.800 --> 22:23.800
Just to draw in huge ratings

22:23.800 --> 22:24.800
It was deemed illegal

22:24.800 --> 22:26.800
This regulations about that

22:26.800 --> 22:29.800
It goes on all the time my
friends

22:29.800 --> 22:30.800
So Michael Grayd

22:30.800 --> 22:33.800
Who used to work at the BBC is
now going to be a real pompous

22:33.800 --> 22:35.800
And say oh is market pressure

22:35.800 --> 22:38.800
And then I want you listen very
closely

22:38.800 --> 22:40.800
To a David Cox says

22:40.800 --> 22:42.800
David Cox long time television
producer

22:42.800 --> 22:44.800
I have a huge amount of respect
for the guy

22:44.800 --> 22:47.800
Listen to what he says about
television

22:47.800 --> 22:49.800
And listen to what he says about

22:49.800 --> 22:51.800
His working with David Grayd

22:51.800 --> 22:53.800
The man who was right there
saying that

22:53.800 --> 22:55.800
Oh this is something of the last
couple of years

22:55.800 --> 22:57.800
That 30 years ago

22:58.800 --> 23:01.800
David Cox and Michael Grayd were
deceiving the public together

23:01.800 --> 23:03.800
Well for some perspective on why
this has happened

23:03.800 --> 23:06.800
I'm joined by Michael Grayd
currently head of ITV

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And formally chairman of the
BBC's Board of Governors

23:08.800 --> 23:10.800
And David Cox, a TV producer and
writer

23:10.800 --> 23:12.800
Who formally edited a weekend
world

23:12.800 --> 23:14.800
Do you understand why this has
happened

23:14.800 --> 23:17.800
I mean why some producers think
it's all right to line this way

23:17.800 --> 23:20.800
No, I can't say I do exactly

23:20.800 --> 23:23.800
I think it's partly to do with
casualisation

23:23.800 --> 23:25.800
Of the industry

23:25.800 --> 23:27.800
People on short term contracts

23:27.800 --> 23:29.800
100 tremendous strain

23:29.800 --> 23:31.800
tremendous pressure

23:31.800 --> 23:33.800
Competitive pressure is enormous

23:33.800 --> 23:36.800
Exactly what the BBC is not
supposed to have

23:36.800 --> 23:38.800
Is competitive pressure

23:38.800 --> 23:40.800
And I think the culture has

23:40.800 --> 23:42.800
You know this is clearly an
epidemic

23:42.800 --> 23:44.800
And it's not just the BBC that's
got the problem

23:44.800 --> 23:47.800
I mean I think every broadcaster
has got this problem

23:47.800 --> 23:49.800
So are you looking at

23:49.800 --> 23:52.800
We are waiting for Deloitte to
deliver there

23:53.800 --> 23:55.800
Their report on our

23:55.800 --> 23:57.800
Premium phone line problem

23:57.800 --> 23:58.800
So listen to this

23:58.800 --> 24:01.800
The guy is actually bringing
Deloitte and Toosh to
investigate

24:01.800 --> 24:05.800
Deloitte and Toosh are the
people who actually put the pay
lines in place

24:05.800 --> 24:08.800
A different division of Deloitte
and Toosh

24:08.800 --> 24:12.800
Actually has all these SMS text
divisions

24:12.800 --> 24:13.800
It's like

24:13.800 --> 24:15.800
Sorry for got to mention that

24:15.800 --> 24:18.800
So Deloitte and Toosh are
basically investigating
themselves

24:18.800 --> 24:19.800
In a way

24:20.800 --> 24:22.800
I don't know what's in it

24:22.800 --> 24:23.800
But I don't expect to be

24:23.800 --> 24:25.800
Particularly happy about what
I'm going to read

24:25.800 --> 24:26.800
But I don't know what's in it

24:26.800 --> 24:27.800
You know I'm just thinking

24:27.800 --> 24:29.800
Have you ever seen those
competitions on television

24:29.800 --> 24:31.800
Where they have the accountants
come in with the briefcase

24:31.800 --> 24:33.800
And here's the sealed bid

24:33.800 --> 24:34.800
And oh yes

24:34.800 --> 24:35.800
This has been protected

24:35.800 --> 24:36.800
And we have the results

24:36.800 --> 24:38.800
You know how that doesn't happen
anymore

24:38.800 --> 24:40.800
How you don't see those guys

24:40.800 --> 24:42.800
You know like when there's a
public vote for

24:42.800 --> 24:44.800
Pop idol or American Idol

24:44.800 --> 24:46.800
Or dancing with the stars

24:46.800 --> 24:47.800
The no longer does that happen

24:47.800 --> 24:48.800
Where the guy says okay

24:48.800 --> 24:49.800
It's all protected

24:49.800 --> 24:50.800
And our seal of approval

24:50.800 --> 24:51.800
You know why?

24:51.800 --> 24:52.800
Because they're in the fucking
game with them

24:52.800 --> 24:53.800
That's why

24:53.800 --> 24:54.800
Um

24:54.800 --> 24:57.800
This precise reason is why

24:57.800 --> 24:59.800
As the why this is spread

24:59.800 --> 25:02.800
Quite as badly as this across
all broadcasts

25:02.800 --> 25:03.800
Not just the BBC

25:03.800 --> 25:06.800
Is it is a function of that
pressure

25:06.800 --> 25:08.800
It's a function of short-term
contracts

25:08.800 --> 25:10.800
It's a function of lack of
training

25:10.800 --> 25:14.800
I just I'm at a loss really to
understand

25:14.800 --> 25:15.800
Oh man

25:15.800 --> 25:17.800
This is so beautiful

25:17.800 --> 25:19.800
It's like the nose is growing

25:19.800 --> 25:21.800
I think you have a sense of why
this is going on

25:21.800 --> 25:22.800
Why do effects

25:22.800 --> 25:23.800
Okay, so now we go to David Cox

25:23.800 --> 25:25.800
Listen to what he has to say

25:25.800 --> 25:27.800
The same Michael Reds saying all
broadcasts

25:27.800 --> 25:28.800
There's one way or another

25:28.800 --> 25:30.800
Well, I'm not surprised

25:30.800 --> 25:32.800
Mark Thompson says he is

25:32.800 --> 25:35.800
That dishonesty has been
discovered in television

25:35.800 --> 25:37.800
And I don't feel the need that
Michael clearly feels

25:37.800 --> 25:39.800
And Mark is well

25:39.800 --> 25:42.800
To blame the whole thing on some
strange short-term factors

25:42.800 --> 25:45.800
And some suddenly have come into
play and changed everything

25:45.800 --> 25:48.800
When the industry was once pure
and now suddenly it isn't

25:48.800 --> 25:51.800
I think the reality is that
television has always

25:51.800 --> 25:54.800
And way had a culture of
deception within it

25:54.800 --> 25:56.800
It's in the nature of what it
does

25:56.800 --> 25:58.800
Almost everything on television
is a

25:58.800 --> 26:00.800
Confection of some kind or other

26:00.800 --> 26:02.800
This isn't really true of other
activities

26:02.800 --> 26:06.800
But what television producers
have been doing all the time

26:06.800 --> 26:08.800
When they're preparing a
documentary

26:08.800 --> 26:09.800
The editing footage

26:09.800 --> 26:11.800
To produce effects that aren't
quite

26:11.800 --> 26:13.800
A raw material justifies

26:13.800 --> 26:16.800
Reality shows up here and you
learn subsequently

26:16.800 --> 26:18.800
That what's happened has been
fixed

26:18.800 --> 26:19.800
Drama docs appear

26:19.800 --> 26:23.800
And what they do is they convert
the complexities of real life

26:23.800 --> 26:25.800
Into her heroic dramas

26:25.800 --> 26:27.800
With heroes and unfortunate
villains

26:27.800 --> 26:29.800
But this is a little bit of a
screen look

26:29.800 --> 26:31.800
As if she's walking out of a
room

26:31.800 --> 26:33.800
And she actually was walking
into the room

26:33.800 --> 26:35.800
They didn't do that

26:35.800 --> 26:36.800
Was that prevalent?

26:36.800 --> 26:38.800
Well, I think that if you live
in this world

26:38.800 --> 26:40.800
Where fake careers part of what
you do

26:40.800 --> 26:42.800
The borderline between what's
reality

26:42.800 --> 26:43.800
And what's fake

26:43.800 --> 26:44.800
It becomes very blurred

26:44.800 --> 26:46.800
And it shifts it shifts

26:46.800 --> 26:47.800
Especially when you're under
pressure

26:47.800 --> 26:49.800
And it's not just nowadays that
television people are under
pressure

26:49.800 --> 26:51.800
They've always been under
colossal pressure

26:51.800 --> 26:54.800
And faced with the problem

26:54.800 --> 26:55.800
That you've got to get your
program finish

26:55.800 --> 26:56.800
You've got to get your program
out

26:56.800 --> 26:58.800
The temptation always is

26:58.800 --> 27:00.800
To push that borderline a little
bit further

27:00.800 --> 27:02.800
And that's what happened with
the queen

27:02.800 --> 27:04.800
But it is it worse now because

27:04.800 --> 27:06.800
In your view because

27:06.800 --> 27:08.800
Do you hear what the man is
saying

27:08.800 --> 27:10.800
This is a long time television
producer

27:10.800 --> 27:12.800
And I just got to applaud this
guy

27:12.800 --> 27:14.800
For being completely open and
honest

27:14.800 --> 27:15.800
And saying what is?

27:15.800 --> 27:16.800
And he's not ashamed

27:16.800 --> 27:17.800
Which he shouldn't have to be

27:17.800 --> 27:19.800
But by Gali, let's not pretend

27:19.800 --> 27:21.800
Let's not cover this up people

27:21.800 --> 27:23.800
To take the specific case of the
BBC

27:23.800 --> 27:25.800
The BBC is trying to do too much

27:25.800 --> 27:26.800
And therefore it's inevitable

27:26.800 --> 27:28.800
If you have much more quantity

27:28.800 --> 27:29.800
You will have much

27:29.800 --> 27:32.800
Ah, I can't wait until you hear
what he says about Michael Greed

27:32.800 --> 27:34.800
Perhaps a dilution of quality

27:34.800 --> 27:36.800
And you wouldn't have the
editorial control

27:36.800 --> 27:38.800
She had when there's only a
couple channels

27:38.800 --> 27:39.800
Now it is hard

27:39.800 --> 27:41.800
The editorial lines of Quran

27:41.800 --> 27:42.800
Quite long these days

27:42.800 --> 27:43.800
Particularly with an independent
sector

27:43.800 --> 27:45.800
Although you cannot lay the
blame for this

27:45.800 --> 27:47.800
And Tali on the independent
sector

27:47.800 --> 27:48.800
Because a lot of these things
are in house

27:48.800 --> 27:50.800
BBC problems anyway

27:50.800 --> 27:51.800
But the talent moves around

27:51.800 --> 27:53.800
They don't love them on short

27:53.800 --> 27:54.800
The talent moves around

27:54.800 --> 27:55.800
Because you pay them shit

27:55.800 --> 27:56.800
You pay them shit

27:56.800 --> 27:59.800
And they're completely
indispensable

27:59.800 --> 28:00.800
In country

28:00.800 --> 28:02.800
When you want to do that, give
them short-term contracts

28:02.800 --> 28:03.800
So here's the reason why

28:03.800 --> 28:04.800
You have a television program

28:04.800 --> 28:05.800
You have people working on it

28:05.800 --> 28:07.800
What happens if the show

28:07.800 --> 28:09.800
All of a sudden fails

28:09.800 --> 28:10.800
Or has to be taken off the air

28:10.800 --> 28:13.800
You're left with the staff of 30
to 50

28:13.800 --> 28:14.800
Maybe even 100 people

28:14.800 --> 28:16.800
You don't want those long-term
contracts

28:16.800 --> 28:17.800
That you can't get out of

28:17.800 --> 28:19.800
That's why everyone in
television

28:19.800 --> 28:20.800
Is freelance

28:20.800 --> 28:21.800
So you can fire them

28:21.800 --> 28:23.800
When the show goes off the air

28:23.800 --> 28:24.800
Or the season ends

28:24.800 --> 28:25.800
It's how it works

28:25.800 --> 28:26.800
Don't give me this shit

28:26.800 --> 28:28.800
That is part of something new

28:28.800 --> 28:29.800
Of the past couple of years

28:29.800 --> 28:30.800
Term contracts

28:30.800 --> 28:31.800
It is the pressure

28:31.800 --> 28:33.800
Yes there's always been
temptation

28:33.800 --> 28:34.800
I agree with David

28:34.800 --> 28:35.800
The temptation is always there

28:35.800 --> 28:36.800
But I agree with you

28:36.800 --> 28:37.800
You're successful in the past

28:37.800 --> 28:39.800
Resisting that temptation

28:39.800 --> 28:42.800
Somehow the pressures were less

28:42.800 --> 28:44.800
Yes there's pressure of course
there is

28:44.800 --> 28:46.800
But the skills and the crafts

28:46.800 --> 28:48.800
That go into making television
programs

28:48.800 --> 28:50.800
Are now being used

28:50.800 --> 28:51.800
To cross a line

28:51.800 --> 28:53.800
There is a line of deceit

28:53.800 --> 28:55.800
Deliberate intent

28:55.800 --> 28:56.800
To deceive

28:56.800 --> 28:57.800
And that's a line

28:57.800 --> 28:59.800
That I have never seen cross
before

29:00.800 --> 29:01.800
If that's true

29:01.800 --> 29:03.800
Can you put Humpty Dumpty
together again

29:03.800 --> 29:04.800
Okay so

29:04.800 --> 29:05.800
He says that this is something

29:05.800 --> 29:06.800
Just of the past few years

29:06.800 --> 29:08.800
And I just gave you a couple of
examples

29:08.800 --> 29:09.800
From my own experience

29:09.800 --> 29:11.800
From 25 years ago

29:11.800 --> 29:14.800
It has been going on forever

29:14.800 --> 29:15.800
And it's unraveling

29:15.800 --> 29:16.800
Before our very eyes

29:16.800 --> 29:18.800
It's very very important

29:18.800 --> 29:20.800
That we pay attention to this

29:20.800 --> 29:21.800
And use this

29:21.800 --> 29:23.800
Because the spectacle has now
turned

29:23.800 --> 29:25.800
On to the media itself

29:25.800 --> 29:26.800
Where the media

29:26.800 --> 29:27.800
Typically

29:27.800 --> 29:29.800
Creates the spectacle about
someone else

29:29.800 --> 29:31.800
Now the spectacle is on itself

29:31.800 --> 29:32.800
And because of all the
competition

29:32.800 --> 29:33.800
You're going to see

29:33.800 --> 29:34.800
Everybody

29:34.800 --> 29:35.800
All these stations

29:35.800 --> 29:36.800
Going to be killing each other

29:36.800 --> 29:37.800
And we have to feed the beast

29:37.800 --> 29:38.800
My friends

29:38.800 --> 29:40.800
If we want to make independent
media

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Interesting

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And compelling for people

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As an alternative

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To what they're being spoon fed

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And what they're now finding out

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Is a bunch of lies

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And trickery

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And crap

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We have to propel this

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We've got to throw gas on the
fire

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The public quite right

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They are going to be very
skeptical

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Everything

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They see on television

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Now can you rebuild that degree
of trust

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With all television channels

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But particularly the BBC

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You depend on public trust

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Otherwise there would be many
money

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Oh and this is so incredibly
important

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This is why it's a big deal

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Because the politicians

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Politics knows

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They know

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That if the people don't trust
the media

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Then that is their vehicle

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That's how politicians
communicate

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Then people will not trust them

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So this is going to be a huge
issue

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It's going to be so big

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Television is going to get
incredibly

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Boring

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Well actually I believe this
will happen

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I think it's a matter of culture

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And I think it goes back a long
way

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And Michael I worked for you 30
years ago

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And we used to get up all kinds
of stuff

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And don't pretend

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You don't go about it

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I don't think I will

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But

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Okay

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Did you just hear what happened

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This producer said Michael

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You guy

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Formerly boss of BBC

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I presume when he was the boss
of the BBC

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Of the chairman of the Board of
Governors

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Or whatever

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We deceived the public

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He said it right there

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Then the freaking news night
interview

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He was saying

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Well you could told us about
that

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Then of course David Cox

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I think wisely says

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Well I'm not going to go into it
right now

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But

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Where's the follow-up interview

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I believe he has to tell us

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If Michael Grade was involved in
deception

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When he was at the BBC

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That needs to come out

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And I'm going to make a call out
to everybody

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And I know there's producers who
listen to this show

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I know that there are people
who've been in audiences

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Of programs, television and
radio

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All mainstream

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Listen to the show

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I want you to blow the whistle

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I want you to call in

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I want you to tell me what
happened

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And we're going to publicize
this

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This can be a huge deal

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Particularly

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If this happened to you

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In the United States

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We have to fan the flames

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This is part of the revolution

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If you really give a shit about
what we're doing

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About independent media

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An alternative

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And something that certainly has
more chance

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Of being more transparent

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Has less ulterior motives

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Than mainstream media

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It is your duty to come forward

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You can do it anonymously

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Of course

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The truth is that culture is
changed

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And they change very fast

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And they change in the face of
dramatic events

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I mean smoking

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Was something that was part of
the culture

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Almost overnight

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It's become unacceptable

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And I think today's events

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In themselves will be sufficient

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To change everything

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In the television industry

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And people in the industry

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Will have to start treating the
viewers

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Straight in the way that they
haven't in the past

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It's going to happen

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And it won't happen

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Because the BBC's guidelines
will get much thicker

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Which of course they will

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It will happen

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Because everybody working

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In any part of the industry

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Will just know things have
changed

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They've been rumbled

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And they've got to change their
ways

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In crises like this

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So

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Now standby

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Because he's going to tell you

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Why it's unraveling

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And why the BBC no one

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That ABC NBC CBS CNN

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The Fox News BBC ITV

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No one can stop it

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Because the genius out of the
battle

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With horror stories

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Like today's story

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And others that know that

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Will come out and stuff

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We've seen before

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From Channel 4, Channel 5

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And our ITV

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You will only restore public
trust

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Through the means by which you
handle

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The affair

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The BBC Trust today

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As behaved impeccably

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As it was meant to do

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I think the honesty and the open

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And prompt disclosure

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By the BBC of the problems

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They found

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Will do much

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To repair

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Public trust

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But it's quite clear

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From what Mark Thompson said

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That he knows he has to deliver

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Within a few months

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Quite likely

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Of course

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Of course

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And we're all trying to handle
this

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Are you partners

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As open and transparent

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A manor as possible

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It's the only way

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That you will quickly restore

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Public trust in broadcasting

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Which is crucial for

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Have you asked your staff to
come up with

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Yes indeed

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They are feeding it

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We've got a whistle blowing line

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They've got a drive

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The only whistle blowing line

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You need to know

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Or the ones you know at the call

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That's right

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If you're in the States

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And you know of some trickery

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Or fraud on mainstream media

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You've got to let us know

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And the UK

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Here's your number

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Number

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The BBC All Broadcasts could do
is just open up everything and
say this is how we make
television programs.

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This is a genuine bit of a
concoction as you put it earlier
and this is a confection and
this isn't.

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Yes, I think that's going to
happen, but partly it's
happening because the viewers
are working it all out for
themselves.

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They're much more aware of how
the business works and they used
to be.

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They look on YouTube and see the
inner workings of everything and
the viewers are going to make
this happen.

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The pieces should do nothing
that they don't want to read
about in the newspapers
tomorrow.

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There you go.

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Do nothing you don't want to
read about in the newspapers
tomorrow.

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You pussies.

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Excuse me.

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Oh, man, I'm riled up about
this.

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So, I want to expose all of this
and you know what?

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I'll come up with a million more
examples from my own world.

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No problem.

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Geez, Louise.

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You know, MTV.

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Oh, yeah, we've done so much
trickery, so much deception.

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All in the under the guise of
well, that's entertainment.

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That show business.

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Oh, I'm all right.

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I need to just relax for a
second.

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I don't think I'm going to do
anything else on today's show.

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But let's just find lies with
some good jersey vibes from the
Hesh.

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Here's your Todd Nyer notes
about this guy.

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[ Music ]

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You didn't move so fast

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Show me your heart, you're
kidding, that's a strong

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Something that you raised me

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Bruce

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Oh man, this guy is good

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He gives me the same vibe, Bruce
gives me

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The fourth instance of our
Springsteen guy straight

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Southside Johnny, oh crap,
what's up with that?

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It just ends like that, probably
flows through on the album

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Alright, so I'm just going to
leave it at that for today

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Because I've said enough, I'm
counting on you guys

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To call in, give me, I'll give
you another one

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Do you know the program TRL, TRL
live?

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Which the predecessor to that
was total request live?

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The predecessor to that was
something called dial MTV

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Every single day, weekday
afternoon between

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I think it was six and six, 30
or five, 30 and six

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I hosted a program called dial
MTV, phone lines are open

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One, 800 dial MTV, all you have
to do is call in

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And vote for your favorite video

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And you know what happened?

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No, what happened?

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The list would come down from
some magic call center

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Go to the office, to the
programming department

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And then we'll come down to us

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So those of you who really got
sick of seeing new kids on the
block

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Which by the way, I like the new
kids on the block

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I just want to set the record
straight

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But you know what's seconding,
every single day

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They were like number one, they
would literally change

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The number one video to
something else

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They would lie because they were
sick and tired

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And then people were calling up
and saying stop playing new kids
on the block

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They would do that, they had
nothing to do with the voting

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So if you've witnessed this, it
is your duty

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You got to do some duty, it is
your duty

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To call in and tell me about the
deception you were involved in

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I promise you I'll protect your
identity if you want to do it

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Anonymously, but it's even
better if you'll come forward

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And you probably probably more
people were victim

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And just involved in it and not
actually the mastermind of it

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This is our chance that's a
crack in the armor

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Let's really really make them
bleed

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Because we can show the world
that there is an alternative

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They're ready, they're starting
to lick that red pill

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Let's push him

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DailySourceco.com, Adam at
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