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That's the way to my heart just
love you just love me and praise
me and

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Mention me on TV. That's the way
to everyone's heart. Yeah,
that'll do it. You know, I

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Regret not having banged her
when I was single just to give
her the thrill of a lifetime

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Don't you think that might have
turned her off? I don't know. I
don't know how you are in bed.
Yeah. Oh

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I'm bad

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I know I'm bad at it

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That seems satisfied. Yeah,
well, she's easily pleased. I

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Think the guys who came before
me weren't that good. That's
right

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Yeah, I think had I fucked
Jillian she'd love Rush Limbaugh
right now

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Anyway, remember the other day
we were having a pretty long
conversation about Adam Curry
Adam Curry used to be an MTV

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Vijay he was one of the guys who
were on MTV and he was a video
host and

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And then we started talking
about the internet and we read
that like he sold his company
for

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$350 million and became like he
owned a castle like the god the
godfather of the podcast

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Yeah, and then we were like how
how did this guy make money
podcasting?

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But then someone explained he or
we we've we've surmised that he
didn't make money podcasting
that he made money

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Somehow with providing band with
her so we don't know so Adam's
on the phone to answer our
question. Good. Hey, Adam

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You there hey, Howard. Good
morning. Hey, good morning.
Where are you Robin? Good
morning?

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Where you calling from?

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Los Angeles. Okay. Is that where
your castle is?

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No, my castle was in Europe. I'd
left

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London about a year ago and I've
been in LA for about half a
year. I see what's a castle cost

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It was like a castle light, so
it was about three million. Did
you have a where was it in
England?

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No, I'm the Antwerp Belgium. Oh
and the three million you get a
whole castle like what is that?

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Like how much land do you get
with that castle?

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32 acres. Wow

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So you lived on a castle with in
a castle with your wife. Mm-hmm.
You got kids

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Yeah, but a daughter. She's
almost 20. Oh, wow

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So man, he definitely lived the
dream. He was smart. You got out
of that whole VJ thing

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You know, I think about Adam. He
was a good-looking guy very
popular

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You know if American Idol had
been invented when he was sort
of in his youth, he might have
gotten the Ryan Seacrest gig

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I could have been Ryan Seacrest

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You know what I mean? Like you
had that kind of career gone

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It's funny because when I left
MTV that was 17 years ago. You
called me. That was the last
time we spoke and you said I was
an idiot

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So Adam, we were having a
discussion about you the other
day and I had remembered that I
had read somewhere that you had

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made a fortune and

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That you sold your company for
something like 350 million
dollars, right? Yeah, that was
my first company

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It was that was an internet
advertising company and I
started that right after I left
MTV and

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Then sold it in 1999 just before
the whole bubble popped. It's
like 450 million. So you didn't
you didn't

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Make your money podcasting

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You made your money. You were in
ads. Well, that was before well
that was before podcasting

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I was involved in let's just
call it the invention of
podcasting in

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2004 and you know podcasting
right, you know, it's kind of a
I didn't invent the word because
let's say that the gayest word
ever

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right

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It was really an interim step at
the time

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You know there was there was an
at today's internet power is
like wireless. It's portable. It
goes everywhere. It's fast

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So at the time and I've always
been in radio since I was like
15

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I'm a huge Howard Stern fan. You
know, it's like if only

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and

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What did you do with the signal
what did you do exactly you were
you were on and thanks for being
a fan

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But I I'm just curious about
this because I couldn't clear
this. I still can't clear it up
for Robin

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You invented what or like I
remember MTV you had the
original MTV website

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Yeah, that was in that was early
days and I registered MTV calm

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It's before there was even a
worldwide web. It was like all
tech stuff, right?

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So in other words, you had the
good fortune of early on or the
floor site

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Well, they sued me over. I don't
know if it was good fortune

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Well, did that how could they
see you owned MTV.com and they
didn't want it

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Well, they didn't want at the
time and then when I left

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They like two days later

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They sued me and they said it
was copyright infringement and
so they we fought for a while

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And then eventually we just
settled out of court and they
got the name if they'd asked me
for it back

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I would have given it but they
sued me. I like fuck you, right?

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I mean you were working for the
guys they didn't have to be
dicks about it. Yeah, exactly

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So you so where did you make the
bulk of your money? In other
words forget the podcasting?

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It was this advertising agency.
Yeah, that was that was pretty
big

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And why was that worth 450
million dollars? I don't
understand what it does in other
words

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You sold ads on websites

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Yeah, well, we built them. This
is the early days

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This is why we got out of it
while we sold the company
because we saw that all that was
changing

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But in the early days, you know,
you had 20 people building a
website, you know people doing
stuff by hand

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You know these days you've got
like front page and stuff. You
can make a website. It's really
easy, right?

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But but we started with the it'd
be like Budweiser.com Reebok.com

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Tampax.com you designed their
web page

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Well, not just designed it

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But we we connected into the
backend systems and help them
with their online sales the car
airlines picket sales

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So that was like a with a big
company and you and your
partners sold that for 450
million bucks. Yeah. Wow

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What are you worth?

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I don't know. It was a long time
ago. Yeah, but I mean have you
had that kind of success again
with your second and third
companies

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Hmm

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No, I had a lot of failures
after that. I had a helicopter
company. That was a good one

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Yeah, after after 9-eleven that
was real popular. Were you one
of those guys who just kind of
figured?

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Hey, I did this once I could do
it again even in my sleep. Oh,
yeah, immediately

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You're like, hey, you see I can
do this like what share what
share of 450 million dollars

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Do you walk away with you get at
least 50 million out of that?

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No, no, but but I at the time I
had also and

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Invested it was really crazy.
I'd invested like 65 grand in a
in a company

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a search engine company and

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I kind of forgot about it and
then my bank called me one day
and so you sitting down

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So yeah, it's a well that
company which was called after G
use and I remember that right.
Yeah

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So that went public and all of a
sudden I had like 150 million
dollars. Wow. Did you did you on
paper on paper?

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Why didn't she just sell it
right away?

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Well, you can't sell it right
after the IPO, but I did sell a
lot of it. So you made a lot of
money in that

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Yeah, that was that was really
good. I remember ask G sure what
happened to G's what happened?

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I'm very dealer about it. Very
dealer bought it. What he ruined
it

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Yeah, it was it was ruined to
start with. It wasn't a very
good idea

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I think you're gonna say yeah, I
put some money in a search
engine turn out to be Google was
what I thought

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I wish I wish I wish so

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So you got out of show business
in a sense

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And became a businessman

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Yeah, okay, and then the first
business was

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Building websites for a lot of
you know and showing them how to
like sort of make it function
and how to make it work

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And then you sold that then you
went into a bunch of shitty
businesses

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But you invested in some stuff
that actually hit like asked G's

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Mm-hmm. And now you're a
multi-millionaire. Yeah. Yeah

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So then I was in I was in
Belgium and I had nothing to do,
you know, everything had kind of
like, you know

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There's nothing I didn't know
companies and it was just
hanging around

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And from the helicopter company
actually learned how to fly
helicopters

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I was doing that they get the
old pretty soon if you have
nowhere to go right in other
words

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You weren't flying a helicopter
charging people for rides. You
were just learning how to fly a
helicopter

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Well, the company was like a
fractional ownership company
with big luxury twin-engine
six-passenger

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Jet helicopter, so that was a
really nice stuff, but

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You know that didn't work out,
but then I was so interested. I
just you know to buy the time

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I learned how to fly and then

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I was think I'd I want to do
some radio stuff and

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So why don't I just do that on
the internet and the remember
when internet was sold as always
on so it wasn't really fast

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But you didn't have to dial in
you didn't have to have your
modem, right?

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Dial in and stuff and so I
thought well

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Wouldn't and you clicked on
something you had to wait for an
hour before downloaded right
stuff

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It start playing immediately

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So well, what if I made a
program?

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That was always looking to see
if you had made a new show and
when there was a new show would
download it in the middle

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Of the night put it on your and
at the time there was something
new called the iPod

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It would put it on your iPod and
then the morning you'd wake up
and there would be a new show

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And then you wouldn't have to
download anything would just be
there

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So you invented that playing
you. Yeah, you started a company

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Yeah, not the technology behind
it, but putting all the things
together. Yeah, right and

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Then and then I called up my
bill then what happened was I
started getting an audience that
was now like, okay

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So the company you started did
that help other people podcast?
Yes. Oh

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So you got that company now or
did you sell that? No, I got
that now. Is that worth a lot of
money?

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well, there's

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Depends on what someone would
pay for it. We we we got

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$49 million invested in it so
that my own money and

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money from

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Actually the Google guys like
Kleiner Perkins and Sequoia
capital right and about a year

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Well, almost two years ago. We
really turned the corner and
it's a profitable successful
company and you assist people in
podcasting

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Hmm

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Well, like I call it digital
broadcasting. It's no longer
podcasting. I mean today

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It's it's on-demand or it's live
and yeah, I'm a guy who wants to
have a podcast like Adam Corolla
was telling us

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He has to get bandwidth and all
that you you was system with all
that

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Yeah, although I was listening
to do you and Adam and

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I don't know who someone's
fucking him on the bandwidth
man. That's 10,000 a month.
That's really what he's paying

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That's pretty ridiculous. So you
could help the guy like him

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Yeah, but I think your your
apprehension with podcasting is
you know, you're a radio guy

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you want to sit there and know
that people are listening on the
other end and

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That's what's happening today.
You know, there's a hundred
million iPhones. There's 50
million

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Android phones. There's
blackberries and this is the
same. Oh, no, no, no, my
apprehension in podcasting isn't

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Isn't isn't the technology of
it. I think it's really
happening

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I think it is a part of the
future the mix of the future. I
think satellite has a place

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I think terrestrial have a
place, you know, I mean I all
this technology is gonna be
amazing

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My apprehension is that it's
very hard to make money with it

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And that's what Adam's problem
is he's doing these broadcasts
and he went from being a
broadcaster who got paid

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To a guy who's now
entrepreneurial but can't make a
dime

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Oh, there's lots of people
making money doing it. Of
course, none of them are Howard
Stern

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Right and Adam Corolla is a
great guy and he's very funny,
but he's not Howard Stern

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I think satellite is too small
for you. I mean

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If you went on the internet
today if you if that's how
people can get Howard Stern and
the Howard Stern show

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Which is you know, that's right.
It's a it's not a show. It's
fucking religion

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You would make

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Huge money. Yeah, no, I mean
actually people have talked to
me about that

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They've just they've shown me
that there's new technology on
the internet now that are just
in

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All right, so now do you
understand how Adam made money?
Yes

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And then didn't you marry some
like superstar and like a Danish
superstar singer

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It Dutch with a we're separated.
Oh, yeah, that didn't work out
too good. Oh, she's got the
castle

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She got the castle with so you
got to pay her half the money
that you made. Yeah, she
deserves it though

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I think have it but can I pitch
here?

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What do you got?

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Well, I know your contract come
up and what five six months.
Yeah

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Eight months. Oh, I did talk to
my board. Go ahead and then an
investor's and

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I know it would be a pay cut

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But we would guarantee first
year one hundred million. Oh

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Hundred million a year first
year. Wow. It's just the first
year Howard goes down after that

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Okay, let's do it

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That sounds real good to me

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No, you know what though
seriously Adam a lot of people
have spoken to me about the
internet and what's going on

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I've had, you know, many
meetings about the technology of
it and all that and

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You know, it's not that I you
know, I see and I also think
satellites fantastic

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I don't know, you know, it's and
I think satellites can take all
its content and put it on the
internet as well

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So there's gonna be all
different distribution. Well,
that was really interesting if
you look at Sirius

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Who by the way are four billion
dollars in debt?

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Which is you know four times the
amount it'll take out to bail
out the European Union. That's a
lot of shekels

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They're also making money now

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Yeah, okay. Well, they are

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Yeah, they're making money, but
it's it's very expensive to
shoot satellites in the space
and keep them there

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And they got to be renewed after
after a while, but you can get
the Sirius

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iPhone app

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But the one thing that's not on
it is the Howard Stern show and
it's really obvious why if

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They do that then the illusion
is over. They know it. No karma
knows it

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He knows that the distribution
is no difference between
satellite distribution and
internet distribution other than
the internet is everywhere

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Literally everywhere. Yeah, but
not not not that easy to get in
cars in your car. No

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I mean, I know you can download
a podcast and stick your iPhone
in the car

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But with 3g everyone's
everything I do a show twice a
week just to tell you about
making money with podcast

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I do a show twice a week

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Thursday and Sunday morning and
I do it live and it's also
available as a podcast. No ads

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We'll make it hundreds of
thousands of dollars a year
people are just sending money

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They subscribe five dollars a
month thirty dollars a month
people from Australia send us
three thousand dollars here

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Thank you stay on the air and
that that's without even a real
subscription model

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No agenda mom is what the show
is called Adam just seems to
make money no matter what just
comes to what's wrong with us

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Robin we know

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You know, you always hear about
those guys they open their
mailbox and their checks in it.
Yeah, that's that's that's

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Don about this ten years ago. We
hung up on me

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Don't have TV don't don't you
would get you in the big the guy
with the big blonde hair and MPV

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What do you want? He didn't
think you knew anything. He was
right at the time

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But but today this is this is
the place where you belong and
yeah, I'm sure people talk to
you about it all the time

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You don't need me although. I'd
love to do it

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I know I know you you like
companies that have

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Infrastructure and money and
lawyers and people who do stuff
right, but they could it could
easily be done easily

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And you would look there is only
one Howard Stern who can really
do this and you would check

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I think you would change

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behavioral patterns around the
world it would be a game changer
Wow. Yeah for sure for sure

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Hold this gentleman's phone
number

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Put this one in my roller deck.
Hey, Adam. I'm glad you're doing
well. You've answered all our
questions

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Yeah, it's really good to talk
to you

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And um, yeah, and I'm glad
you're doing well aside from the
divorce, but I'm sure you're
back in the saddle dating

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I've got a beautiful beautiful
girlfriend. I'm no kidding. How
old?

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She's 39. How old are you now?

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45 almost 46. That's kind of a
little too close in age. Don't
think well my ex-wife was just
turned

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61 oh your ex-wife was older.
Yeah. Wow. Yeah, who does that?
Adam?

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What a renegade. He's off the
charts. He always does the thing
nobody else is thinking. I was
about to go into business with
him

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And then I found that he married
an older woman

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Well you held in for a while
though with the older woman that
he certainly put in your time

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Yeah, I had one of those like
wake-up moments after 20 years

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What do you mean? I met Mickey.
I was like, oh wow, this is what
it's supposed to be, right?
Well. Hey, listen, man
game-changer

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We're talking about a lot of
changes in the game. Everybody's
game is changing. All right

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I'm now I know how to describe
to Robin how you make money. I
mean, yeah

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We do with ads and subscriptions
and just like satellite only
it's bigger and it's where I'd
love to see Howard Stern be

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Whether you work with me or
someone else. I think you should
really consider it. All right,
Adam. Thanks

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The great Adam Curry who wisely
left MTV and made like hundreds
of millions of dollars and now
has to give up half

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But he didn't care

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Get some more. He's gonna make
it again. He can do it. He could
do it

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And I'm not going to business
together. We're both gonna be
rolling in it. That's right.
That's why he's on the phone

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That's it. Hey Adam. Thanks. All
right. Good. Anything I could
promote

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Yeah, no agenda show calm in the
morning is my show Thursdays and
Sundays

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No agenda calm no agenda show
calm. No agenda show. We're
gonna run. All right. Hey,
thanks, Adam

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Appreciate it. I Robin. Bye. Bye

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Hear that we're getting a
hundred million a year. I like
Adam's math

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It's already done. No
negotiation

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Unless you want more, of course,
I got to pay Fred as usual
$10,000

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So it's not quite a hundred
million

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You know when there's Benji
salary, I think when all's said
and done I could clear

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Hmm 99% of that

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Wow we well, there you go now I
am

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Now I know what I know you
didn't ask him how much time you
had to put it. Oh

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Yeah, right. How much vacation
we get right? Well, it sounds
like we could do two shows a
week

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That's what I'm saying if that's
the case. Yeah, well, I didn't
know how seriously to take his
offer

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He's telling me two shows a week
and a hundred million for a year
guaranteed. I think I'm in I'm
pretty sure there's no downside
to that

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We'll broadcast out of my house.
I

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Don't care

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What do you think of that? I
would do that two shows a week
Sunday and Thursday sure and a
hundred million

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Pick your days. I'm sure. Yeah,
sounds like anything goes in the
Wild West of a podcast. That's
right

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Whereas Adam and I say digital
broadcasting. Yes

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Yeah, that this might be my
answer I

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Don't curry's my guy listen to
him. I mean that was funny that
he's

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Said 20 years ago. You told him
he was crazy

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I

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Probably went out and made a
huge success of himself as a
result. Yep

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Yeah, I think I yelled at him
because I was quitting MTV

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I was over at MTV and he didn't
say hello to me. Oh really and
he was a big fan

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I didn't know it. He was just
kind of shy and didn't feel you
know worthy kind of thing and

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Turned out that I'm on the air
calling them, you know real
stuck up and this and then he
goes. Oh my god

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I'm such a hero is

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Blasting him no good

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Teach him to not say hello

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See then he started saying hello
to people he made connections
and he became a big success

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You're the result. I'm the
result. It's all you know, you
seem like a real nice guy. Yeah,
every time we've spoken with him
20 years ago

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I thought we had spoken at him

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But he says no

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So here's what I learned from
the conversation

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Early on he was really into the
internet. Yes, and God MTV calm

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Yeah, but he did make his money
off of that

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But what he did was he started
to make

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Websites and develop websites
for people especially early on
the big companies didn't know
anything about it

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So they hired him and like and
listen to the list of companies
had you know get all the biggies
Reebok Bud

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Yeah, and then mental so he put
them on and company became
valuable and he sold it for the
potential of the company

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I guess someone saw it and give
him 450 million bucks, but

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Turns out he didn't even get
like 50 million of that when you
hear 450 million if you're gonna
make a partner

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He split it right so but it
seems like he's done pretty well
for himself. So now we
understand he didn't make his
money in podcast

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Yeah, I don't know how it became
that the money came from podcast

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I don't even know why we're so
concerned about how he made a
living, but we definitely didn't
want it to be from podcast

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That's right. It was upsetting

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Really have this guy make money
off of podcast

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Although according to him people
send him $3,000 just to get him
on the air

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It sounds like they don't even
charge anything people just send
the money. Yeah

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Yeah, why don't you people just
send your money directly to me
and stop sending it to Syria

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I think that's what we're
talking about here

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That sounds pretty good. I think
people would feel much better
about that. Yeah

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Quite frankly, I feel better
about that. I think you get it
for cheaper. I mean, you know,
yeah

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I might give you a sale. What is
it? What is it cost to have
serious like what 12 13 bucks a
month? Yeah, I'm willing to give
it to you for

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nine

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I'll go to my house on broadcast
for nine bucks a month. You'll
get your subscription. Oh

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Man

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Anyway, all right, so that's
Adam Curry

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You're a game changer. I'm a
game. Just remember that. Well,
I guess you are too then

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We're a team so

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If you want to change the game,
that's right. All right, listen,
let me take a break

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We'll come back. I got a whole
bunch of stuff to do also Lewis
Blacks gonna stop by and say hi
to us

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I haven't talked to him in a
while. Yeah